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#Post#: 3529--------------------------------------------------
Re: whos birds?
By: Sound Rollers Date: January 3, 2011, 8:53 am
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Well these questions can be asked; How many generations does it
take to make a line? What does it take to put your name on a
line? I have Norm Reed Birds only, I'm not worthy enough to put
my name on them, I can excel or fail. I think the name can only
be achieved through merit. Norm earned it not me.
#Post#: 6648--------------------------------------------------
Re: whos birds?
By: bluecheck1 Date: April 27, 2011, 1:22 am
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Their your birds once you start crossing them with other
families.
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Re: whos birds?
By: Cliff Ball Date: April 27, 2011, 8:43 am
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The Birds are yours once you pay for them. The strain or family
name of the birds you chose to fly can be used as a way to show
history and give credit. But whether you do well or do poor,
much of that goes on you. Most will agree that once you have
three generations on the ped that YOU raised and flew, they can
be now called SOUND ROLLERS Strain, since you chose the pairs
and you flew them out. If Norm helped you chose the pairs,
well.... You get the picture. Whoever does the work, flying and
choosing the pairs for three generations, may take credit for
his work...... If he wants to :))
Cliff
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Re: whos birds?
By: Joe Asaro Date: April 27, 2011, 10:47 am
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Cliff... When would you call Norm Reed birds yours? When you
crossed them to your Ball stock? Scott,s birds yours yet? ;D Joe
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Re: whos birds?
By: Cliff Ball Date: April 27, 2011, 11:53 am
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Joe A
If I bought any Norm Reed birds, I would always refer to the
family as Reed birds, but after I raised a few and flew them out
and paired up the best, I would begin referring to MY Norm Reed
birds. That's pretty much how I do it now with the Turners. As
far as the Campbells, I need a few more years working with them.
As far as crossing families, I doubt I will ever need to cross
anything into my birds to improve them. It's a matter of
selecting for the attributes I want from within the family.
However I like working with other strains of birds to see how
they perform and to compare the performance in the same
geography, climate, and training conditions. I keep the lines
straight and don't cross them. Who did you get your start
from? How long ago? What do you call your birds? Are they your
strain yet? Did you cross any other families into them? It's
very common to do so.
Cliff
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Re: whos birds?
By: Joe Asaro Date: April 27, 2011, 12:02 pm
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Cliff....Bill Patrick. 1969.Bill Patrick strain of Bill Pensom's
family from Bill Pensom's lofts.They are still very pure Bill
Pensom strain. Not if you want pure birds. :o ;D Joe
#Post#: 6671--------------------------------------------------
Re: whos birds?
By: Cliff Ball Date: April 27, 2011, 2:17 pm
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Joe,
Yes agreed, but still a common practice all the same. It is not
one that I adhere to either. So if you crossed in Scott
Cambell's Pensom line would you no longer consider your birds to
be pure?? Purity seems to not be as important as performance to
many flyers. And to others, purity is more important than
performance. Depends on the fancier. Personally, I have no
interest in flying culls that are "pure"......been there done
that...(no insinuation about your family or generalization of
all "purebreds" intended.) WHP was willing to forgo purity for
performance when he crossed breeds and English families for sake
of performance, right? True enough, the cross failed to improve
the performance but it speaks to the priority between purity
and performance for him. A lot of guys follow his "best to best
regardless of relationship" concept of breeding, though I am not
one of them.
Thanks,
Cliff
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Re: whos birds?
By: Joe Asaro Date: April 27, 2011, 2:25 pm
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Cliff .....If you have it from the get go pure blood and
performance you don't cross. If it's not broke don't fix it. 8)
Joe
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Re: whos birds?
By: Cliff Ball Date: April 27, 2011, 2:59 pm
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My thoughts exactly, Joe.
Cliff
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Re: whos birds?
By: Steve49 Date: April 27, 2011, 4:20 pm
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Cliff, are you using a 'line breeding' system for your rollers?
i ask, because i've just begun my breeding program, and i want
to be sure I've got the right plan. and you mentioned that you
don't cross your campbell and turner familes, so i was thinking
you must be line breeding or something close. btw, thanx for the
info on the moxidectin.
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