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#Post#: 8259--------------------------------------------------
Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 25, 2011, 9:06 am
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There are some active competitors that believe and could argue
convincingly, that what passes for the current performance
standard needs to be changed and written in a more precise
manner, in addition, that the current set of NBRC competition
rules would need to be improved upon to reflect these new
written standards.
However, there are also active competitors who could argue just
as convincingly that the current standard and set of competition
rules are more than sufficient to the task.
Do you feel that there is any real merit to changing the
performance standard and/or changing the NBRC competition rules?
Or will all these efforts create a new written performance
standard make it more complicated to judge a kit?
#Post#: 8260--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: Cliff Ball Date: July 25, 2011, 10:12 am
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Tony
The age old written performance standard is fine for its
purpose, that is to explain what a Birmingham Roller should do
in the air. Please note that I doubt that it was written to
judge competition Rollers. I see the age old standard as a
description of the performance of the highest class Birmingham
Roller. But it falls woefully short when it comes to scoring
birds in a competition.
Such vague, misunderstood rules and standard as we currently
have, that allow every judge to score according to his personal
standard for performance create loopholes that are abused and
create frustration among competitors. We have to be careful
to clarify whether we are discussing the scoring standard (Fly
Rules) or the Breed Standard. Today's modern Roller competitions
need to define a "RANGE" of scoreable Rollers, from the
minimally acceptable performance to the absolute ultimate
performance. One should not change the meaning of the other but
work in harmony to enhance understanding of both. Giving a
judge a clear precise understanding of what he should base his
judgements on, "SHOULD" make his job LESS complicated and
easier. To have a fair contest, both the contestants and the
judge MUST be working off the same minimal standard.
Every competition has well-defined rules. As you know, I like to
use the strike zone in baseball as an example. What a horrid
sport it would be if the strike zone was not precisely defined
and every umpire could call balls and strikes based on whether
HE thought the pitch should be swung at! I think we are
talking, primarily about defining and clarifying situations and
meanings to assist the judge in making the right call....that is
until we can get instant-replay in roller competitions!
Cliff
#Post#: 8261--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: wannaroll Date: July 25, 2011, 10:36 am
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The Standard for Br's is OK, maybe some small tweaks, but the
comp rules need to be clarified. Take Eric Laidler for example.
Over where thay are from if 2 birds roll and a split second
later 18 birds roll. He will not score it because they did not
roll together. He will score it as a 5 bird break if your lucky,
not that it's wrong, but that's the way they score. He calls it
rolling from the back. The way I read the rules if 2 birds break
and are followed by 18 at one time I would score it because 18
birds rolled at one time. There are too many ways to interprate
how they should be scored.
#Post#: 8262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: July 25, 2011, 10:53 am
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The problem is many want anything and everything scored .. the
problem they have is someone actualy scoring by a minimum
standard. It is simply point driven ego's that talk one way but
want another.
For over the past decade I've witnessed judges using a standard
get ripped to shreads even to the point of charactor
assinination while those that score anything and everything are
patted on the back.
This year the actions of many in this country towards the WC
judge was appaling and cowardly. Now whats the push ? to step
up our game ? Naw .. lets just continue the attack against
those that actualy use a standard and change the rules to
counter our short comings .. the new American way
#Post#: 8264--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: Cliff Ball Date: July 25, 2011, 11:35 am
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Scott
In my experience, rarely are judges "ripped to shreds" as you
say for the way they judge. This year in the WC was an extreme
case......on the part of the judge....and in the response from
the US competitors. Certainly some competitors question the
application and interpretation of the rules by a few
judges....but you find this in most any competition. And most of
the questions evolve from misunderstanding poorly written rules.
You say you have witnessed judges actually scoring by a minimum
standard.....How can that be, when the fly rules have NO MINIMUM
QUALITY STANDARD? And that is the main cause for this
controversy is misunderstanding in my opinion. The problem is
that each judge has his own personal minimum standard and he
judges by that standard, but all the flyers need to KNOW what
the real standard is to understand why a judge scored the way he
did.
Hang in there Scott, your countrymen will work it out one way or
another. I want my kits judged by the same standard we all
understand. Kits judged to a standard we do not know, do not
agree with, and do not understand, and a different standard
every time....is meaningless. "Apalling and cowardly", as you
put it" is the act of taking one in the ear, walking away,
suppressing one's frustration when rules are misunderstood,
misused, or abused.......and being afraid to communicate the
reasons for one's frustration. It takes a lot more courage to
speak up and confront the problems....to tell others why you
feel there was a problem, and support the changes necessary to
prevent this from happening again.
Cliff
#Post#: 8265--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: joeb Date: July 25, 2011, 11:45 am
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Scott, Lack of a standard is what led to this years farse in the
WC. If still are not convinced then go to Rollerworld and watch
the video of Henk Nijman's kit which scored 1.5 in Q and 1.3 in
depth. My hawk bait kit performs better than these did on their
off days. The fix was in!! The record book shows that the 1919
Cinncinnati Reds won the World Series that year but anyone who
follows baseball knows what happened.
Try to keep em spinning, but if you can't get yourself a Euro
judge!!
Joe B
#Post#: 8268--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: Cliff Ball Date: July 25, 2011, 12:00 pm
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Couldn't find it, Joe. Where should we look?
Cliff
#Post#: 8269--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: joeb Date: July 25, 2011, 12:11 pm
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It was posted all weekend. You probably need to go to the bottom
of the page to the video section and select all videos and it
should show up.
Keep em spinning
Joe B
#Post#: 8270--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: joeb Date: July 25, 2011, 12:39 pm
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I stand corrected, this kit was only 1.4 in Q but stands as
number 7 in the WC
Joe B
#Post#: 8271--------------------------------------------------
Re: Should The NBRC Change The Birmingham Roller Standard?
By: Cliff Ball Date: July 25, 2011, 12:56 pm
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Looks pretty much like my kit and a lot of other kits I see in
the US.....Thanks, Joe.
Cliff
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