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Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 18, 2011, 9:39 am
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There are a several medications for pigeons among which are the
all-in-one variety. Because many disease symptoms are similar,
they can be difficult to properly diagnose without proper lab
equipment and expertise. Improper diagnosis can mean delays in
getting a pigeon the medicine it needs to effectively fight the
disease thus causing the loss of the bird. A good solution we
are told to this situation are the shotgun approach type
all-in-one medicines.
Here is a typical list of illnesses treated by these all-in-one
style medicines:
* Paratyphoid
* Canker
* Coccidiosis
* E.coli.
* Worms
* Some add probiotics and electrolytes
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Some criticism these types of meds receive are that they do not
pack enough punch to do the job properly. Afterall, how many
illnesses can be treated in a single tablet without making it
the size of a large marble?? Another criticism of these are
those who don't want to give their birds medicines for illnesses
their birds do not have, so as to possibly reduce the future
effectiveness of needed treatment with a specific medicine.
In your experience, have you found the all-in-one treatments to
be effective or do you decide for yourself what disease the
pigeon is suffering from and treat accordingly with a specific
medicine for the job?
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 18, 2011, 9:52 am
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Please excuse the 2nd email notification on this topic. By
accident, I hit a wrong button. :-[
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Cliff Ball Date: July 18, 2011, 10:06 am
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Tony
I don't use the " all in one" to treat a specific illness. I use
it as a prophylactic medicine for breeders, before the breeding
season each Fall, to keep them from getting sick during the
rigors of rearing young. From my experience, it did not treat
worms that well, but I have a very low incidence of paratyphoid,
canker, coccidisis, or E. coli. It is more or less an insurance
against these illnesses. I find the shotgun approach a waste of
time and pigeons.... and would suggest we treat sick pigeons for
a specific illness....with the appropriate drug.....after
getting a proper diagnosis.
Cliff
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 18, 2011, 10:16 am
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Cliff, I am curious, since you are in the medical field
(dentist), do you test a pigeon yourself or do you send out
specimens to be analyzed? Or is it simply experience through
"having been there, done that"? Thanks.
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Cliff Ball Date: July 18, 2011, 11:06 am
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Tony,
If a pigeon dies, I always have a necropsy done. Sick birds, I
will usually isolate and have a fecal exam done. That identifies
the problem in most cases. On the rare occaision I will take one
to an avian vet. I don't usually rely on my own diagnostic
skills because so many illnesses look the same in our birds. I
haven't found one, yet, with a toothache! LOL!
Cliff
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: July 18, 2011, 11:19 am
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I'm with Cliff .. I honestly have no faith in anything that is
all in one , but then it is rare that I use or have a need for
any antibotics .. in Winter when there is moisture I just get a
lot more pro-active on protection,
And I'm going to say it again .. if you drag pigeons home from
other lofts you will have problems. Quit doing it and your
pigeons health will balance out if you keep it dry and keep the
mice at bay.
If a pigeon gets sick and yet the rest of the loft is healthy
should that one sick one be saved ?
I think sometimes little things going through the loft isn't a
bad thing. In fact I think it is needed for the over all health
of the loft.
I saw a squabing operation years ago that left birds that died
in the loft to build the immune systems of the rest of the flock
. I myself wouldn't go that far though LOL
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Paul Conway Date: July 18, 2011, 11:38 am
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I bought an all in one medication. The main reason is that is
what I'm going to treat a sick bird with initially while I
figure out what is wrong with it. Many of the all in one
medications contain medications that are used singularly for
what specifically ails a bird. I'd continue to treat with the
all in one until I can ID what is wrong be that over the message
board, through an avian vet, fecal analysis, etc and then move
to a specific medication as indicated. remember, inexperience
plays a part in it for me, as well. I don't have a fully
stocked med supply- what keeps for long periods, what doesn't,
what's worth stocking? What isn't worth stocking? When a bird
presents this it's obviously this. or most likely this? or
experience tells me treat for this first? or experience tells me
forget trial and error and get an avian vet involved or a fecal
sample, etc. I think I'll start another topic of what to have
on hand. Paul Conway
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: July 18, 2011, 11:57 am
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Neither do I .. In fact I have never had one , who treats all of
the barn pigeons ? They look healthy as horses while drinking
from mud puddles to me .
(I don't have a fully stocked med supply)
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 18, 2011, 12:18 pm
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Nature will qui[quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS
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Neither do I .. In fact I have never had one , who treats all of
the barn pigeons ? They look healthy as horses while drinking
from mud puddles to me . (I don't have a fully stocked
med supply)
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Yeah, nature is heartless. A wild and sick animal of any kind is
quickly removed from the population. It is just we humans who
medicate our animals. How many of US have had illness or
injuries that if not for the miracle of modern medicine, we
would have been culled by nature? :P
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Re: Do All-In-One Medicines Work Effectively?
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: July 18, 2011, 12:52 pm
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We aren't animals Tony .. there is more than performance that we
need to breed for, they also have to be good pigeons. Same as
there is much more to proove out when flying out birds than just
performance , they also need to have what it takes to hunker
down and make it home under all sorts of adverse conditions.
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