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       #Post#: 8185--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: Cliff Ball
       Date: July 19, 2011, 11:50 am
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       I haven't had luck with tobacco stems either. Pigeons don't like
       them. They are too coarse and bulky and hard for the birds to
       shape into a nest....
       Cliff
       #Post#: 8186--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: joeb
       Date: July 19, 2011, 12:08 pm
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       I agree on the tobacco stems. When I had homers, they loved them
       but the rollers wouldn't use them. Pine needles are the best
       nesting material I have found.
       Keep em spinning
       Joe B
       #Post#: 8189--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: ozzie
       Date: July 19, 2011, 1:28 pm
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       Just my two cents....Pine needles work great but aren't always
       availabe. I've had great luck with tobacco stems after I cut
       them in to shorter lengths.
       #Post#: 8191--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: Fhtfire
       Date: July 19, 2011, 6:13 pm
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       Anybody need pine needles just tell me what USPS if it fits it
       ships box that you want...that is a flat rate...and I will fill
       it. Dont forget to throw in a little starbucks money...I have to
       drive 7 miles to the pine needle spot....just let me know.
       rock and ROLL
       Paul
       #Post#: 8194--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: marvin
       Date: July 20, 2011, 9:41 am
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       i ust want to thank everybody for the advice.
       #Post#: 8196--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: Paul Conway
       Date: July 20, 2011, 11:45 am
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       I can see it now, Paul drives down the road in his 57 t-bird,
       stops in front of Starbucks and wearing a long european fliers
       loft coat gets a capuccieno. When he comes out he stares into
       the camara and says, "I don't often drink coffee when I'm caring
       for my rollers, but when I do- I prefer Starbucks. (and long
       flexible pine needles fall from the sky like confettie but none
       land in his cup as he raises it and tilts it in recognition to
       the camera)  Stay thirsty my friends.............and Rock and
       roll!! and the rest is history...........The most intersting man
       in the world commercials have met thier match!    That was fun.
       Paul Conway.     Yep, I'm procrastinating switching my loft
       floor from wood chips to sand.  think I'll go do that now.
       Paul Conway.
       #Post#: 8200--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: July 20, 2011, 2:59 pm
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       That was cool, Paul! I have used nothing but sand for five
       years, into my sixth year. I love it! I made a 16x16 inch
       strainer from 1/4 inch hardware cloth on a wooden frame to
       remove the large bits, then I run it through a large kitchen
       seive, done! :)
       I think you will like it.
       Take care
       Thom
       
       #Post#: 8201--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: maxspin
       Date: July 20, 2011, 3:43 pm
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       Pine needles are the best. I have used tobacco stems. I cut
       them in half and the birds used them just fine. Given a choice
       the birds will use the pine needles.
       Keith
       #Post#: 8205--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: Flyemhi33
       Date: July 20, 2011, 4:19 pm
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       We use Pine Needles and Eucalyptus(spelling?) and the birds love
       them! Plus the loft smells great! lol
       
       Why sand instead of wood shavings if you don't mind my asking?
       #Post#: 8207--------------------------------------------------
       Re: i need advice on breeding
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: July 20, 2011, 5:08 pm
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       Flyemhi33, I use sterilized play sand, $2.97 for 50 lbs.. It
       does not hold odor, works like cat litter and will clump around
       any spilt liquid and does not blow around. I clean my loft
       everyday, ( I'm retired) in about 30 min.
       Take care
       Thom
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