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#Post#: 8106--------------------------------------------------
"Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: July 14, 2011, 1:33 pm
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Adding supplements to water that enhance and promote health and
well-being can be a good and proactive part of any loft
management program. Depending on the products used, the cost can
be minimal especially compared to buying name brand medications
to cure what might have been prevented.
For the most part juicing can be cheap. Health is both
maintained and promoted. A smart and practical habit for the new
fancier or the old hand. What sort of "juicing" have you done to
promote good health in your birds and what sort of changes to
better health did you observe?
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Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: tom wingfield
Date: July 14, 2011, 2:14 pm
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red cell 1 or 2 days week in the drinking water, acv. every day
except when i use red cell .....
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Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: wishiwon2
Date: July 14, 2011, 2:30 pm
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I use ACV, crushed garlic, iodine in the water approx weekly for
breeders. From this I get a general improvment in health, a
resistance to desease, and good hatchability from eggs. I put Ca
gluconate in water for hens I am pulling eggs to foster.
I use a vitaimin in water and or a vitamineral powder fro
breeders during moult. My hope is to promote health as well as
ensure quality feather growth. I dont know how helpful it is
though, if there was a difference, I couldnt tell. I use vitamin
in water for kit birds monthly and/or as a prep for fly.
This year for the first time I am using probios and red cell
weekly. Results undetermined thus far, except that I am weaning
healthy looking young and have thus far not had any sick or weak
youngsters.
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Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: Tobey
Date: July 14, 2011, 8:12 pm
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What does Apple cider vinegar do for pigeons?
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Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: July 14, 2011, 9:44 pm
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Here is an article on Apple Cider Vinegar that might be
informative:
Ancient cultures used vinegar for its medical benefits and it
was used for healing bruises, disinfecting wounds, snake and
insect bites. Vinegar is antiseptic which kills germs on
contact and also antibiotic. Apple cider vinegar contains over
thirty important nutrients, a dozen minerals, more that half a
dozen vitamins and essential acids and several enzymes, which
makes apple cider vinegar a substance that contains many
outstanding qualities that are beneficial to you and to your
rollers.
Apple cider vinegar can provide you and your rollers with
enzymes and important minerals, such as potassium, calcium,
magnesium, sulfur, chlorine, phosphorus, iron, silicon and many
trace minerals. It also contains vitamin P (bioflavonoid),
vitamin A (beta-carotene), and vitamin C, E, B1, B2 and B6. It
also contains malic acid, tannins, tartaric acid, propionic
acid, acetic acid and pectin. Most importantly, apple cider
vinegar will help prevent the growth of bacteria or fungal
growth on fresh foods and water.
The Encyclopedia of Natural Pet Care describes apple cider
vinegar in this way: “Long a folk remedy, cider vinegar has been
shown to improve the health of dairy cows, horses, dogs, and
other animals and birds. It reduces common infections, aids
whelping, improves stamina, prevents muscle fatigue after
exercise, increase resistance to disease and protects against
food poisoning…It normalizes acid levels [pH] in the stomach,
improves digestion and assimilation of nutrients, reduces
intestinal and fecal odors, help cure constipation, alleviates
some symptoms of arthritis and help prevent bladder stones and
urinary tract infections.”
Apple cider vinegar is often called one of Mother Nature’s most
perfect foods. Natural apple cider vinegar, found in health
stores, should be a rich amber color with the “mother” quite
visible as sentiment on the bottom. The strength of vinegar is
important. All varieties of vinegar contain about 4 to 7
percent acetic acid, which gives vinegar its tart and sour
taste. Apple cider vinegar destroys microorganisms, including
bacteria, fungi, viruses and others, and prevents poisons from
reaching the rest of the systems of the body. It has been
proven to inhibit the growth of germ-negative bacilli,
Pseudomonas, and Candida.
The acid nature of vinegar makes the digestive tract environment
unpleasant for germs and fungus. Apple cider vinegar has proven
to be a natural treatment and preventative in simple cases of
avian pediatric digestive disorders. Dr. D. C. Jarvis, MD. Who
wrote “Folk Medicine, A Vermont Doctor’s Guide to Good health”,
through his own research believes that apple cider vinegar will
lower bloods natural alkalinity, bringing it closer to a natural
healthy acid state.
A naturally acidic digestive tract, with the correct pH
balance, will discourage bacteria and is less likely to grow
yeast and fungus. The acidic qualities of AVC will help break
down protein, in the digestive system, for absorption into the
bloodstream.
Proper hygiene is important in maintaining rollers health. The
environment we provide for our birds is totally different from
the wild. Pigeons in the wild are acclimated to the bacteria
found in their natural environment but its body has no
experience in providing immunity to the bacteria commonly found
in the unnatural environment we provide for them.
That includes humanly transmitted bacteria, normal tap water,
unsanitized food dishes and cages. Plain old white distilled
vinegar will help reduce the toxic load in our environment.
Vinegar is an organic, biodegradable, nontoxic substance.
Vinegar can be used routinely and safely in the rollers loft as
an effective cleaning and disinfecting agent.
In conclusion, AVC is a solution of acidic acid produced by
fermentation of apples. AVC contains cholesterol reducing
pectin and the perfect balance of 19 minerals, including
potassium, phosphorus, chlorine, sodium, magnesium, calcium
among others. There are great benefits from using AVC which
includes the following:
· Contains bacteria which is unfriendly to infectious
microorganisms
· Improves stamina
· Increases resistance to disease
· Protects against food poisoning
· Aids in digestion
· Aid in a variety of disease including arthritis
· Regulate blood pressure
· Maintains the correct pH in the body
AVC also has a wide range of applications such as:
· A cleaning agent that will reduce mildew, germs and
odor
· A disinfectant for cleaning cages
· Washing produce
· Cleansing agent when sprouting seeds
· ¼ tsp sprinkled over fresh food will function as an
immune enhancer
· Treatment of bacterial infections.
Hints to wipe out odor:
If you are preparing food in the house and expecting guests to
arrive soon and notice that your cooking has caused quite a
stink in the house, just add a bit of vinegar to the boiling
water while cooking. This works great for odor-causing foods
such as cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower or Brussel sprouts. To
remove the strong smell of foods, such as onion, garlic or fish
from your hand, try washing them in apple cider vinegar and the
smell will vanish.
If your child brings home a stinky lunchbox, try placing a paper
towel dampened with vinegar in the lunchbox and leave it
overnight. Wash the lunchbox in the morning and it should smell
fresh. ;D
#Post#: 8112--------------------------------------------------
Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: MOTHERLODELOFTS
Date: July 15, 2011, 1:10 am
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I don't use anything at all .. but then I am on the lazy side,
especialy this time of year when it is so dry . The biggest
factor for a healthy loft is not bringing in outside pigeons.
When I do use an additive it is ACV which is acidic , couple
that with a acidic loft dressing and you knock down the spread
of bacteria big time . ACV is the only thing that I am sure of
being a benifit .. for me all else just is a waste of money
other than a source of good gut bacteria which I will use if I
suspect a problem beginning.
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Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: wannaroll
Date: July 15, 2011, 9:41 am
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I started adding ACV to my waterers at the rate of one
tablespoon per gallon last year and I have not had any sick
birds since then. Check out this article by Dr. Colin Walker
[table] [tr] [td][/td][td]USE OF ACIDS IN PIGEONS
By Dr Colin Walker BSc, BVSc, MRCVS, MACVSc (Avian health)
One of the ways that the bowel protects itself from disease is
through the maintenance of a weakly acidic environment. They are
able to do this because many of the normal bacteria present,
such as Lactobacillus, produce lactic acid. With stress the
Lactobacilli are one of the first bacteria to be lost and so
acid production falls and pH rises resulting in a less acidic
bowel. Potentially disease causing organisms such as E.coli,
Salmonella and yeast don’t survive well in an acidic environment
and so the loss of this acidic environment creates a window of
opportunity for these to establish and multiply. Anything that
re-establishes the normal acidic environment quickly, minimises
the chances of disease. One way of doing this is by adding acids
to the birds drinking water. Initially this may seem a little
bit strange, however, if done correctly it can be advantageous.
There are dose rates available for acids such as hydrochloric
acid, however, as these acids can be quite dangerous to handle
their use is not encouraged. There are two acids commonly used.
One is acetic acid. This is available as apple cider vinegar at
your local supermarket and the dose rate is 5ml per litre.
Alternatively, citric acid can be used. This can be purchased as
a white powder from the chemist ( we also stock it at the Knox
Bird Clinic). Here the usual dose used is 1 teaspoon (3grams) to
6 litres of water. It is interesting that many of the older bird
books recommend the use of acids and suggest squeezing lemon
juice or adding other sources of citric acid to the birds
drinker. Some old secrets still work well today.
Used correctly, acids can do the birds no harm. Fanciers can use
them in a number of ways. Either to treat the birds when they
are diagnosed with E.coli or “thrush” (yeast) where they are a
handy way of controlling mild infection without resorting to
antibiotics. Alternatively, if the loft has on going problems, a
fancier can put them in the water for one or two days per week
as part of an ongoing health management programme, say on a
Wednesday and Sunday. Also, if fanciers experience predictable
yeast or other bowel problems following stress, say for example,
following periods of cold damp weather in an open loft, then
when these conditions occur he can put the acids in the water
for one or more days to head problems off.
With mild yeast or bacterial bowel upsets the use of acids often
results in the production of tight brown nut-like droppings with
reduced odour and a healthier looking bird. A failure to respond
indicates a more serious problem and veterinary assistance may
be required. [/td][/tr][/table]
#Post#: 8126--------------------------------------------------
Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: Paul Conway
Date: July 15, 2011, 2:57 pm
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My foxhounds, chickens and now pigeons all get ACV in thier
water unless I'm worming, etc. The field trialers talked to
me about giving my foxhounds, red cell, etc to keep thier
stamina up. My hounds will run from 6am- to 12 midnight (hard)
if I don't catch them up when I'm getting them out 3-4 times a
week on good feed and clean water with ACV in it why would I
want them any peppier??? Paul Conway
#Post#: 8130--------------------------------------------------
Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: Tobey
Date: July 15, 2011, 4:38 pm
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Thank yall so 1 tbsp per gallon of water everyday should do the
trick?
#Post#: 8131--------------------------------------------------
Re: "Juicing" The Drinking Fountain
DIR By: donnie james
Date: July 15, 2011, 5:58 pm
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i use to use epsom salt and i haven't use it in years but
thinking to start back up after the molt but i use some vitamin
in the drinking water though the molt as well right before
breeding season and after breeding season donny jamesc
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