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       #Post#: 7971--------------------------------------------------
       a bird in the hand (and in the loft)
   DIR By: Paul Conway
       Date: July 5, 2011, 8:54 pm
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       What do most of your good spinners look like bodywise.  I know
       Mr. Pensom talked about an apple body and by that I assume there
       was a little rise in the back above the wings.  What's do most
       of your good spinners show body wise- long keels, wing length,
       tail bend, etc, etc, etc.  Thanks all, Paul Conway.
       #Post#: 7973--------------------------------------------------
       Re: a bird in the hand (and in the loft)
   DIR By: POLARBEAR
       Date: July 5, 2011, 9:11 pm
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       PAUL, ROBERT MILLER DESCRIBES WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A ROLLER BODY
       IN A FEW SHORT VIDEOS.
       
       GO TO THE NBRC WEBSITE, THEM CLICK ON MEMBERSHIP, THEN CLICK ON
       MEMBERS WEBSITES. THERE WILL BE A LIST OF WEBSITES ON THERE GO
       TO ROBERT MILLERS SITE HE HAS SO INFO. THAT MAY BE HELPFULL.
       REMEMBER THAT WHAT HE SAYS ON THE VIDEOS, WHAT HE DESCRIBES
       RELATES TO HIS BIRDS AND HIS FAMILY AND IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME
       AS WHAT IS FOUND IN ANOTHER LOFT.
       
       
       TONY I AM NOT TRYING TO STEER ANYONE AWAY FROM HERE OR THIS
       WEBSITE. I JUST THOUGHT IT MAY HELP PAUL WITH A QUESTION HE HAD.
       
       IF NEEDED TONY GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THIS POST IF NEED BE.
       
       
       #Post#: 7977--------------------------------------------------
       Re: a bird in the hand (and in the loft)
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: July 6, 2011, 7:33 am
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       POLARBEAR...why are you typing with "caps"?? This denotes that
       you are yelling....
       #Post#: 7978--------------------------------------------------
       Re: a bird in the hand (and in the loft)
   DIR By: Paul Conway
       Date: July 6, 2011, 9:17 am
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       Thanks Polarbear.  I got through one video this morning.
       Interesting and informative.
       Windjammer, I'm in Pennsylvania, Polarbear just wanted to be
       sure I could here him as he was typing from a distance.  ;)
       I am open to listening/reading what anyone else wants to add as
       to what seems to be good body charecteristics in thier good
       rollers
       Thank you, Paul Conway
       #Post#: 7979--------------------------------------------------
       Re: a bird in the hand (and in the loft)
   DIR By: Steve49
       Date: July 6, 2011, 10:21 am
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       If your showing your rollers, then body type might be important.
       In my opinion, if a bird rolls fast and of good quality I don't
       care about body type.
       #Post#: 7980--------------------------------------------------
       Re: a bird in the hand (and in the loft)
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: July 6, 2011, 11:19 am
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       Hello Paul, here is a point that I think most will agree with:
       * All body types are capable of rolling properly
       (...inconceivable rapidity through a considerable distance...)
       However, I am of the view, that while I agree with the above
       point,  a birds aerodynamics will generally influence the roll
       for good or bad.  As such, I tend to prefer birds that show a
       better center of gravity (more cobby: medium to smallish birds
       that are not too long cast).
       My thinking on this is that a bird that is not fighting his off
       balance body or a wide rolling footprint  (long cast bird) while
       rolling is better built to roll faster, tighter and smoother.
       The reason is that it is not fighting against avoidable
       centrifugal forces being created by being physically unbalanced
       or too long.
       So a roller with a lot of "heart" will roll hard, and the better
       balanced it is, the better the quality of the roll will tend to
       be. Other factors can and will influence the final result.
       Here are some Blue Series Ruby Rollers with a balanced body
       style that I like:
  HTML http://www.roller-pigeon.com/i/Ruby%20Gallery/tn_Picture_104.jpg
       Here is another:
  HTML http://www.roller-pigeon.com/i/Ruby%20Gallery/Ruby_Roller_Pigeon_Picture_1.jpg
       One More:
       [img width=230
       height=204]
  HTML http://www.roller-pigeon.com/i/Ruby%20Rollers/tn_063b.JPG[/img]
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