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       #Post#: 7754--------------------------------------------------
       New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: tjrepoman
       Date: June 20, 2011, 12:56 am
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       well i am getting ready to start building a loft with my 11
       year old ( you know father son thing) then we would like to
       start a good family of rollers, ( not sure how to go about
       chosen a good roller) well really not sure how to go about this
       whole deal so any beginners tips would help thank you.
       #Post#: 7758--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: June 20, 2011, 5:05 am
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       Hey tjrepoman, WELCOME! What questions are on your mind? Ask a
       few at a time and I will try to answer them. BUT I am not the
       roller guru, so hopefully many others will join in. In the mean
       time use the search function as many subjects can be found
       there.
       Take care
       Thom
       #Post#: 7772--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: tjrepoman
       Date: June 21, 2011, 1:19 am
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       hey Thom thanks for the welcoming, well first of all ive noticed
       alot of kit boxes are more covered then opened, is there a
       reason for this?? do kits need alot of room? I live in Visalia
       CA, ( central california) how would i find a good breeder to buy
       some good birds from??? where can i find a feed portioning
       program?? and last question it gets about 115 degrees here how
       is that going to effect the birds?
       #Post#: 7774--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: June 21, 2011, 5:38 am
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       tjrepoman, I will try to answer but I am not qualified for some
       of them. Kit box style is mostly a geographical concept. Where
       you live ventilation and concealment from the B.O.P.'s will be
       the first considerations. The one single most important thing
       with loft or kit box construction is WATER keep them dry and
       avoid a lot of problems! I do not know anyone who sells birds in
       your area but I would reccomend Tony's Rubys without hesitation.
       The heat will affect them but I think it is all in what they are
       used to. If I flew mine in 115 degrees they would struggle but
       the same birds bred and raised in that area would do much
       better. Feed is an open can of worms! :) You will get 100+
       answers to that question. Starting out I would say, feed a 16%
       mix while you learn your birds and study about them in general.
       I hope this is of help
       Take care
       Thom
       #Post#: 7777--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: POLARBEAR
       Date: June 21, 2011, 9:46 am
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       --- Quote from: tjrepoman link ---
       >
       > hey Thom thanks for the welcoming, well first of all ive
       noticed alot of kit boxes are more covered then opened, is there
       a reason for this?? do kits need alot of room? I live in Visalia
       CA, ( central california) how would i find a good breeder to buy
       some good birds from??? where can i find a feed portioning
       program?? and last question it gets about 115 degrees here how
       is that going to effect the birds?
       >
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       I THINK SID LOVE LIVES IN THAT AREA(VISALIA) AND A FEW OTHERS IF
       I REMEMBER RIGHT.
       MAYBE MOTHERLODE CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFO ON MEMBERS IN THAT AREA.
       #Post#: 7779--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: 2y4life
       Date: June 21, 2011, 10:27 am
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       --- Quote from: tjrepoman link ---
       >
       > hey Thom thanks for the welcoming, well first of all ive
       noticed alot of kit boxes are more covered then opened, is there
       a reason for this?? do kits need alot of room? I live in Visalia
       CA, ( central california) how would i find a good breeder to buy
       some good birds from??? where can i find a feed portioning
       program?? and last question it gets about 115 degrees here how
       is that going to effect the birds?
       >
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       As for closed kitboxes, it is so you don't invite the hawks for
       dinner. Having an aviary is like a big neon sign saying "Here
       hawks, free lunch". As for kit boxes, they don't need alot of
       room. Most kit boxes are 3x3x3 or 4x3x4 or somewhere in that
       dimension. What you need is more perches than birds and you
       would be good to go.
       You live in a very good area in terms of finding quality
       rollers. There are quite a few guys who live about 30-45mins
       north of you in Fresno that has decent birds. But then again, if
       you live in Visalia, you have Joe Emberton there. Joe Emberton
       is one of the country's top breeders and flyers. If I were you
       and planned on getting birds soon from someone local, Mr.
       Emberton would be the guy I'd go to. BTW, how much you feed and
       what you feed the bird...that's the perfect question that can
       only be answered by the guy you're purchasing your birds from
       but most feed a mix of wheat/milo and sometimes peas.
       #Post#: 7780--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: tjrepoman
       Date: June 22, 2011, 12:39 am
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       thank you guys for your help, how would i go about getting ahold
       of Joe Emberton? and would he be ok with picking his brain?
       because i am ready to buy some birds.
       oh and i get BOP is a hawk but what does that stand for?????
       #Post#: 7781--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: wishiwon2
       Date: June 22, 2011, 12:47 am
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       BOP = Bird of Prey. It applies to hawks falcons and other avian
       predators.
       #Post#: 7782--------------------------------------------------
       Re: New to this board, sport, and could use some beginner tips
   DIR By: 2y4life
       Date: June 22, 2011, 5:04 pm
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       --- Quote from: tjrepoman link ---
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       > thank you guys for your help, how would i go about getting
       ahold of Joe Emberton? and would he be ok with picking his
       brain? because i am ready to buy some birds.
       >
       >
       > oh and i get BOP is a hawk but what does that stand for? ??? ?
       >
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       PM me and we'll talk.
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