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#Post#: 7648--------------------------------------------------
Flying Kit birds
DIR By: Jon
Date: June 12, 2011, 4:13 pm
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For the most part I feed my birds 50/50 milo/wheat. Approx one
ounce each. Sometimes when they are up they disappear. I don't
mean sky out, I mean they leave the area and I can't see them.
Sometimes they are gone for an hour or more. Sometime they fly
overhead and are back in 45min to one hour. When they are out of
sight they don't always come back together. One or two at a
time. Is this common? The 50/50 has seemed to help the skying
out problem.
#Post#: 7651--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: oldfart
Date: June 12, 2011, 5:30 pm
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Jon, I'm guessing but it could be they are setting down
somewhere possible to feed. Do you live near any food source,
railroad,grain mill,wheat fields? When they come back feel their
crops to see if they have anything in them. I'm sure you never
feed them before flying. :)
Like I said, just a guess.
Take care
Thom
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Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: oldfart
Date: June 12, 2011, 5:51 pm
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Jon, I just weighed one ounce of 50% wheat/milo and it is 21/2
tablespoons. I still think they might be setting down somewhere
or flying so high you can not see them. I would cut back on
their feed until they fly the time you want and stay over the
loft. If you are talking about young birds mix a few old hens in
with them and they should stop leaving if the old hens are
consistently flying over the loft.
Good luck
Take care
Thom
#Post#: 7659--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: Jon
Date: June 12, 2011, 11:46 pm
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There are no grain areas around that I'm aware of. However
because they come back one or two at a time I guess they could
be setting down somewhere. They can't be eating much because
they act like they are starving when I feed them after they
return. I'm sure that I'm a little inconstant with their feed. I
feel bad when they act like they are starving. Maybe they are
training me better than I'm training them. I'll watch the feed
and see what happens. If they act like they are starving now and
I cut their feed then I guess I'll have to handle them more to
check their weight is that correct. Thank Thom
#Post#: 7660--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: Jon
Date: June 13, 2011, 12:27 am
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Thom. I'm sorry I always say that I feed my birds One ounce when
I mean One tablespoon. I just thought of that mistake. Based on
this correction should I still cut back on their feed. I do
sometimes give them a little more if I know they will not be
flying for a few days. I also sometimes give them 12% every now
and then. I do give the young ones 12% about once per week. Jon
#Post#: 7661--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: oldfart
Date: June 13, 2011, 5:10 am
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Jon, I would increase their feed to 11/2 tablespoons per bird
per day. I'm not as qualified as a lot of the board members but
that is not enough feed for young birds. I do not think they can
maintain and grow muscle mass when just eating 1 tablespoon a
day. I feed 11/2 to 2 tbs a day in two seperate feedings, The
first feeding is after their morning fly and the second is in
the evening. When you say 12% I am assuming you mean a mix.
Young birds need more protein, at least 16%. If you have access
to a feed store that carries Pigeon pellets give them 1/3 of
their ration as pellets. If they don't carry pellets then try a
mix with at least 16% protein.
I hope this helps
Take care
Thom
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Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: Jay Knepp
Date: June 13, 2011, 6:12 am
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Jon,
I do not feel very qualified to give advice here but I have
experienced somewhat the same situation.........If you can't get
them to stay in the area to fly or if they are flying to high
you might lock them up for a week and feed staight wheat all
they want for 4 to 5 days than cut them back for a few days to
where they will be hungry enough to trap before flying them
again. I am not saying it will work for you but it has helped
me in the past. I suspect what it does is the wheat will
fatten them up and the week of rest will bring them down from
top flying condition and that in turn will bring the fly time
and flying height down ...........but that is just my opinion
Jay
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Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: tom wingfield
Date: June 13, 2011, 11:14 am
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jon , were any of these birds ever lofted some where else close
by ??
#Post#: 7686--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: J_Star
Date: June 14, 2011, 7:18 am
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Cut the feed drastically until they only do 10 min. Then start
increasing the feed by couple of tablespoon at a time until they
do the 30 min with reasonable heights. Once that is achieved,
then maintain it by adding and/or decreasing feed one or two
tablespoons at a time.
Your birds are not going somewhere to sit out and socialize.
They are skying out and out of sight. Coming down one a time is
classic of this phenomenon.
If I feed my birds 50/50 wheat/Milo, mine will do the same
thing. Mix Peas with the feed. In the summer, for 20 birds I
feed a cup and a half. A third Wheat/third Milo/third Peas. The
birds are good actors and don't let them fool you when it comes
to feeding.
Jay...Wheat does not fatten the birds up. It does the opposit.
It will strip the fat off of them. Milo will send them to the
moon. Wheat and Milo together in nice sunny day, the wind aloft
will carry them to the stars.
Jay Alnimer
#Post#: 7688--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flying Kit birds
DIR By: Jay Knepp
Date: June 14, 2011, 8:50 am
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J_ Star,
What kind of wheat do you have that takes weight off of
pigeons? For the last 4 years I have fed straight wheat
except for a few experiments that I have tried......... the only
time I feed anything but wheat is the last 84 hrs before
competition when I use some peas........or when the birds are
too heavy I will use milo to thin them down....outside of that
it is straight wheat, Red grit with diatomaceous earth
periodically.... Braggs ACV twice a week and Red Cell with
probiotics twice a week. Jay
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