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Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: June 9, 2011, 8:01 pm
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Here was something I ran across and it sorta struck me after
hearing a certain comment on the video, I relate it to the
breeding and raising of good roller pigeons and that if one has
high enough personal standards, he can fly top pigeons without
having to be directly involved in competition...
This is Daniel Goleman;Author; Psychologist concerning the top
10% of performance versus people who are just mediocre.
Here is the money quote:
"...Whether people are getting more competitive or not, more
viciously competitive, I think people have always been viciously
competitive. However, people who are the most effective tend to
be competitive in a different way. They compete with
themselves. As I said, they have very high standards for
performance. And they’re continually trying to understand how
to learn to do better. And that’s the more effective way to
compete. Improve your own performance, not run against the
other guy necessarily..."
Here is a link to the complete video clip:
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#Post#: 7591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: MOTHERLODELOFTS
Date: June 9, 2011, 8:14 pm
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I'm not as competitive as I was .. and it shows big time .
Thinking that competition doesn't move you to a different level
is only fooling yourself.
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Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: June 9, 2011, 8:33 pm
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--- Quote from: MOTHERLODELOFTS link ---
>
> I'm not as competitive as I was .. and it shows big time .
Thinking that competition doesn't move you to a different level
is only fooling yourself.
>
--- End Quote ---
Scott, wow, sorry to hear your birds must have stopped rolling
and breaking together because you are not trying as hard as you
used to. Your stock birds must have gone to pot then too? Did
your gene pool suddenly dry up because you are not competing as
hard as you used to? Or did you just go lax on your discipline
and management practices? :o
One sure fire solution is if you twirl your arms really really
hard, your birds will remember what to do and then will really
turn it up. ;)
FYI: The psychologist is referring to competition, just on a
different level than what is obvious. 8)
#Post#: 7595--------------------------------------------------
Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: n00bR0113rs
Date: June 9, 2011, 10:37 pm
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WOW!! i makes perfect sense. Since today i found out that i got
a "B" in my stats class, which does not satisfy me at all. I am
not just competing for the highest score in the class. Just
compete with myself for an "A". Which would make me feel better
in the long run.
#Post#: 7598--------------------------------------------------
Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: Cliff Ball
Date: June 10, 2011, 9:49 am
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Tony
Good birds are good birds, makes no difference if they are
flown by an unknown flyer or a WORLD CUP winner. For many , it
may boil down to validation or education as to whether or not
they want to compete.
I have often heard from good judges, that sometimes they see
great kits from flyers who belong to NO club, and who have never
flown competition.
So what you are referring to, DOES HAPPEN.
What I "Think" Scott is making reference to is, he has little
TIME to give his birds to evaluate, train, etc? And the same
would hold true for any flyer. This hobby takes a lot of time
but it does NOT require one to compete, to have good birds. You
and others have proven that.
Cliff
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Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: MOTHERLODELOFTS
Date: June 10, 2011, 10:19 am
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No Cliff .. I was talking on a whole
I have often heard from good judges, that sometimes they see
great kits from flyers who belong to NO club, and who have never
flown competition.
So what you are referring to, DOES HAPPEN.
What I "Think" Scott is making reference to is, he has little
TIME to give his birds to evaluate, train, etc? And the same
would hold true for any flyer. This hobby takes a lot of time
but it does NOT require one to compete, to have good birds. You
and others have proven that.
Cliff
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Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: June 10, 2011, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: Cliff Ball link ---
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> Tony
> Good birds are good birds, makes no difference if they are
flown by an unknown flyer or a WORLD CUP winner. For many , it
may boil down to validation or education as to whether or not
they want to compete.
> I have often heard from good judges, that sometimes they see
great kits from flyers who belong to NO club, and who have never
flown competition.
> So what you are referring to, DOES HAPPEN.
> What I "Think" Scott is making reference to is, he has little
TIME to give his birds to evaluate, train, etc? And the same
would hold true for any flyer. This hobby takes a lot of time
but it does NOT require one to compete, to have good birds. You
and others have proven that.
> Cliff
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Cliff, before I moved to MO, from 1993 to 2005, I spent various
times attending competition flys, backyard shows, watching
experienced non-comp fanciers fly birds. I can tell you I saw
good and bad birds in ALL settings. However, what was especially
difficult to watch was the long drives to competitors lofts who
flew outright lousy birds (the further the drive, the better the
birds ought to be >:( ).
I don't care what Scott says about it, I know what I saw and I
know what a good roller is. I have spoken to MANY fanciers
around the country and I am NOT the only one who holds this view
based on personal experience.
One day, should the competition bug abandon Scott, he may well
realize he can still fly top birds without the benefit of
competition to drive him - if he has the personal drive and self
discipline as well as love of the breed to do well (i.e. fly
true Birmingham Rollers) even when no one is watching. 8)
You cannot convince everyone of this, its like a guy who puts
his woman on a pedestal (most guys), he thinks her farts smell
like roses, no matter how often you tell him they don't. :-[
#Post#: 7608--------------------------------------------------
Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: samir
Date: June 10, 2011, 1:36 pm
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Beauty of this hobby is wide range of level one can be engaged
and enjoy it. From a pair of birds as pets to competition
purpose breeding. Recreation and sport.
Samir
#Post#: 7610--------------------------------------------------
Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: Paul Conway
Date: June 10, 2011, 3:02 pm
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However, what was especially difficult to watch was the long
drives to competitors lofts who flew outright lousy birds (the
further the drive, the better the birds ought to be
that is my recurring nightmare of a thought floating around in
the back of my head as I get started in Roller pigeons-that
folks will come to watch my birds fly, a judge will travel a
great distance and............................. you've been
reading my mind. Paul Conway.
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Re: Considering Competition: Another View
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: June 10, 2011, 3:25 pm
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But Paul, you will learn so much and meet so many cool roller
guys and quickly zoom over the heads of mere mortals (non-comp
flyers) and be at the top of the score sheets before you know
it. Course, you have to endure a little humiliation along the
way as your birds will make you look as bad as bad can be with
absolutely no assistance from you (course, you will make your
share of bad decisions too). :P
BTW, I am not against competition at all, I support it. I just
maintain that you don't have to be a comp flyer to have and fly
good Birmingham Roller stock, but you do have to be willing to
learn and know what good stock is and how to cultivate the best
traits. This requires a high level of self-discipline over time
and most people can't do it. :'(
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