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#Post#: 7025--------------------------------------------------
how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: Darrin Stone Date: May 11, 2011, 4:58 pm
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what do you guys feed as the weather gets warmer? My birds were
flying high and around an hour when it was in the 60's no its up
around 90 and they don't want to fly very long.
#Post#: 7029--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: Ty Coleman Date: May 11, 2011, 5:28 pm
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Hey Darrin, I move to wheat in the summer and try to fly early
or very late in the day. I try to replace the water every day
also, but it's still hard to keep the birds up for long in the
90's.
#Post#: 7045--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: May 11, 2011, 9:00 pm
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Darrin they will take less feed and need to get used to the
early heat.
[quote author=Darrin Stone link=topic=534.msg7025#msg7025
date=1305151108]
what do you guys feed as the weather gets warmer? My birds were
flying high and around an hour when it was in the 60's no its up
around 90 and they don't want to fly very long.
[/quote]
#Post#: 7047--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: Jay Knepp Date: May 11, 2011, 9:25 pm
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Darrin,
I am having the opposite problem...today we had 87 degrees
when I flew my old birds and they flew for two hours and
eighteen minutes....I have been feeding 1 and 3/4 cups of local
grown wheat ....I made sure that they will be a little hungrier
tomorrow and hopefully cut several minutes off the flytime.
Jay
[quote author=Darrin Stone link=topic=534.msg7025#msg7025
date=1305151108]
what do you guys feed as the weather gets warmer? My birds were
flying high and around an hour when it was in the 60's no its up
around 90 and they don't want to fly very long.
[/quote]
#Post#: 7127--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: Darrin Stone Date: May 13, 2011, 7:52 pm
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Hey guys thanks for the ideas. I started to feed more wheat and
cut the milo back.
#Post#: 7128--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: WhiteWing Date: May 13, 2011, 8:17 pm
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Many flyers out there adjust their feed mixture for different
changes in weather, and that's all fine and dandy if that's the
way you like to do it, but I feed one mixture to my kit birds
and one mixture only, year-round. Although I do adjust the
rations slightly for tweaking the amount of fly time, or for
instance, in the winter when the birds need an extra energy
source to keep warm. If my birds don't meet the specs with that
particular feed, then they are a cull to me. That's just the
way I feel about it, and that's how I raise my birds.
Although I take excellent care of my birds, I'm a firm believer
in hardiness and a genetic make-up for performance and type. I
breed for birds that naturally have the roll, velocity, kitting
ability, type and ect... genetically, NOT for birds that have to
be FORCED to roll by nutritional hype, or feed deprivation that
some use to "break down" their birds in order to reach desired
performance, only temporarily.
This method works for me but may not work for everyone. Just my
stand point on the matter.
-Caleb
#Post#: 7129--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: oldfart Date: May 13, 2011, 8:34 pm
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Well said Caleb! Many would do well to print that post and tape
it to their kit box door. ;D
Take care
Thom
#Post#: 7130--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: WhiteWing Date: May 13, 2011, 9:01 pm
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[quote author=oldfart link=topic=534.msg7129#msg7129
date=1305336870]
Well said Caleb! Many would do well to print that post and tape
it to their kit box door. ;D
Take care
Thom
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Well thanks Thom! Makes me feel like I'm doing something right
by receiving encouragement in the hobby from some one like you
:D
#Post#: 7144--------------------------------------------------
Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: oldfart Date: May 14, 2011, 10:27 am
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Someone like me! "Now that's funny, I don't care who you are"!
Caleb, I am the smallest tadpole in this mud hole full of
bullfrogs! Keep the common sense approach coming!
Take care
Thom
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Re: how to prep a kit with warmer weather here now?
By: wishiwon2 Date: May 14, 2011, 3:58 pm
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[quote author=WhiteWing link=topic=534.msg7128#msg7128
date=1305335870]
Many flyers out there adjust their feed mixture for different
changes in weather, and that's all fine and dandy if that's the
way you like to do it, but I feed one mixture to my kit birds
and one mixture only, year-round.
...
Although I take excellent care of my birds, I'm a firm believer
in hardiness and a genetic make-up for performance and type. I
breed for birds that naturally have the roll, velocity, kitting
ability, type and ect... genetically, NOT for birds that have to
be FORCED to roll by nutritional hype, or feed deprivation that
some use to "break down" their birds in order to reach desired
performance, only temporarily.
-Caleb
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I applaude your following the K.I.S.S. mantra. Many of us get
too distracted with details that are unimportant.
I dont mean to be disagreeable with what I will say in the
following;
You (anyone) will never see the best their birds have to show if
you dont learn how to manage your birds using feed, water, rest
time, etc. I dont advocate mistreatment of birds through
starvation, I dont believe you can "force" birds to perform. I
do believe, no I know it for fact, that you can enhance or
diminish the quality, depth, frequency and other aspects of your
kits performance through adjustments in the composition of,
volume, and time before liberation of feed/water/grit. I doubt
there is any one single or mixture of grains that can
predictably show them at their top form on a consistant basis.
Dont confuse good management with gimmickery or tricks. Any
athlete, humans or other animals need variance in diet to adjust
to changes in circumstances, including weather and performance.
You can have the perfect bred roller, capable of everything we
strive for in performance, genetically. But if it is mismanaged
it can/will fly like a cull. Its' potential remains that, just a
possibility never realized. Unless you experiment, tweak the
feed a little, change times you fly, how long they rest, etc,
you will likely never see all that they can show you. The very
best kits flown come from guys who 1) breed for the best pigeon
they can 2) understand how to manage them well.
There is a world of difference between simply starving them
until they're too weak to resist a roll impulse, and sound
managment which includes modifying feed to fit the
circumstances. Only the ignorant would refuse to see the
difference.
Caleb, our philosophies are more alike than they are different.
I just want to caution you and others who may read this to not
bind yourself and your birds by thinking that you can get top
performances in the air only through breeding. It takes both,
good breeding and good management.
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