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#Post#: 6755--------------------------------------------------
Loft Aviary
DIR By: Siddiqir
Date: May 3, 2011, 8:51 pm
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Hello Guys, just wondering if open aviary loft work best or
aviary/cage for each individual pair. It would be really
interesting if you guys can share pics of your breeding loft
aviary. I always have open loft aviary. My new loft is a shed
and I am planning to build individual breeding cages for each
pair to get sun and fresh air. Please share your setup breeding
loft setup/pics.
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: Joe Asaro
Date: May 3, 2011, 9:37 pm
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That's the way to go individual cages.Takes the ? out of it. Is
it really out of that cock? ??? Joe
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: WhiteWing
Date: May 3, 2011, 10:13 pm
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Open loft aviary is the only way I can get my birds to breed. I
tried 2'x2' breeding cages but the birds refused to take care of
their eggs. I guess it's whatever you AND your birds like.
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: Joe Asaro
Date: May 4, 2011, 8:54 am
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white wing.....try 30 or 36" by 20 and keep 2 nest bowls in the
back corners. 8) Joe
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: Fhtfire
Date: May 4, 2011, 11:26 am
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Its basically whatever works best for you. I tried the
individual cages and the birds were not happy...and it really
was a chore for feeding etc. I switched to an open loft set up
in 04 and have never looked back.
I feel that letting pigeons be pigeons is the best. Happy
pigeons are healthy pigeons. The ease of feeding is SOOOOOO much
better.
As far as the question about who the cock is etc. Well...I look
at it like this. Do I really care if one of my good cocks may or
may not have jumped another hen. Look at it like this....you
pick the best birds or birds for stock. You then mate on a hunch
or educated guess. Regardless of who the bird came from you are
going to try and different hens...or different cocks to see if
the bird can produce. So lets say that you have a bird that you
know for sure was out of XYZ pair....you put that bird in the
stock loft....you breed to different animals...it hits on 3 of 4
birds you pit it on.....so you keep it in the stock loft.
Now....use the same way of thinking and testing with an unsure
who the bird came from bird....it too hits on 3 of 4 you put it
on. Does it really matter who the bird came from...if it hits in
the stock loft it hits plain and simple.
I have spent MANY MANY hours in the stock loft watching
pigeons.....I have noticed with rollers they just dont seem to
jump other hens as more aggressive birds do. We usually pick
cocks that are not really cocky right.....if the bird is
slapping wings in the air.....chasing hens instead of trapping
etc.....we usually remove that cock from the team. So we usually
stock cocks that are mellow or not as aggressive.....cock s that
are not as aggressive and more passive are not running every hen
in the loft. Now other breeds that I have raised in the
past....racing homers etc....man they try and mount everything.
What I am saying is that based on what we look for in our
birds....usually keep the passive mellow cock birds and jumping
hens does not happen as much as we think it does. I have yet to
see a cock jump another hen in my stock loft since I have had
rollers...and I have spent many many hours...although I am sure
that it may happen. I notice kit birds do it more but they are
not really mated or have a claim to a box etc.
Now if we were a registered type of breed where the pedigree was
worth something then AOK...but to be honest I can make you up
whatever ped you want...LOL.....get my point....To me breeding
individually is a waste of time with no governing organization
verifying the sire and dam. We breed the best and forget the
rest and where the bird comes from should not make a difference
if it came from your own stock loft. It does make you feel warm
and fuzzy......but the fact is most of us shotgun blast a new
stock bird anyway...we try the bird on may different hens
anyway. So does it really matter....
Rock and ROLL
Paul
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: Fhtfire
Date: May 4, 2011, 11:32 am
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Individual cages to me remind me of jail cells and I have yet to
see anybody happy being locked up in a jail cell...LOL..
As far as an aviary....I do not use one and never will again.
BOP flock to aviaries.....thats like putting up a big neon sign
with arrows pointing to you loft "EAT AT JOES" LOL. I made my
loft so that nothing can see inside the loft if I decide to
close up the doors. Although Aviaries are nice..to me keeping
the dinner out of sight to the BOP outweighs the use of an
aviary.
I professor at UCD who is at the California Raptor Center told
me.....if you build it they will come...meaning...if you put the
birds out in the open the BOP will post and stare at those birds
every single day until they get hungry and are forced to leave
and hunt...if they capture ONE bird from you loft and see the
birds in the aviary the BOP will never leave. Out of sight out
of mind so to speak.
rock and ROLL
Paul
My hawk problem has dropped 10 fold since I can now close up the
loft.
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: Cliff Ball
Date: May 4, 2011, 2:31 pm
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Paul,
My philosophy exactly! The only time I see the need for an
individual breeding pen (I have four) is when I want to put a
cock on another hen and he wants to keep going back to his old
mate, who has since been paired to a new cock.
By the way, I am very pleased to hear you announce, "Now if we
were a registered type of breed where the pedigree was worth
something then AOK...but to be honest I can make you up whatever
ped you want...LOL...."
I've been preaching that along different lines all along! LOL!
Cliff
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: wannaroll
Date: May 5, 2011, 9:26 am
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I use 8 individuals only to pair up birds, after they have laid
their eggs I open their door so they can be pigeons in my open
loft. Sometimes after they have their first round they will move
to an empty box outside of the individual cages.
#Post#: 6786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: maxspin
Date: May 5, 2011, 12:36 pm
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I agree with Paul on the (NO AVIARY). I do not have a bad
cooper hawk problem even with trees in the area. My breeder
lofts are open. I have (2) six box open breeder sections. Each
section has a corrugated clear skylight to let daylight in. They
are built with a huge amount of ventilation in them. Each
section is 6' wide x 6' deep x 6'6" high. The roof has a steep
pitch making it 3' high at the center and is 10' across. This
gives me a 4' covered walk in front. The ceiling of the breeder
section and the walkway are all covered with chicken wire (open)
giving non-draft ventilation. The peak of the roof also has a 1
1/2" vent build into it so that air will go out the top.
Even when dirty I can hardly smell pigeon when in the loft.
Keith
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Re: Loft Aviary
DIR By: Jay Knepp
Date: May 7, 2011, 6:55 am
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If you breed in an open loft how can you be sure a bird is what
the pedigree says it is.....personally I want to be 100%
sure.....not 80% sure but 100% sure.... Twenty years down the
road I want to be able to say that these birds lineage is 100%
exact what the pedigree shows them to be....Don't be mistaken I
am not a pedigree breeder...but when I see a bird in the kit
that is good enough to test in the broodloft I want to be
absolutely sure that I know where the goods are coming
from.......Now some of you are saying that if you have a tight
bred family it does not matter if they jump mates.....well to me
it does and that is why I chose to breed individually.
I did not post this to get at anyone nor to be critical but I
have been around registered livestock all my life and my Dad
always taught me how important it is to be sure of every
mating......he always said that one illegitimate mating will
compromise your whole stud ......I guess I am like my Dad
because I am drilling that into my sons also.
Jay
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