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#Post#: 6704--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Sound Rollers Date: April 29, 2011, 9:12 am
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Hmmmmm that must be why your always angry.[quote
author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=513.msg6701#msg6701
date=1304051593]
I thought I was getting a bus to go to college , next thing I
know some crazy guy is screaming get off the bus and next thing
I know my head was shaved. I was wearing OD greens and had a
M16 in my hands getting an education on field stripping it ,
couldn't find where they kept the girls either.. obviously
college wasn't what I expected.
[/quote]
#Post#: 6705--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: 2y4life Date: April 29, 2011, 9:15 am
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Looking at this unbiasedly, all Whitewing did was merely state
that Wikipedia is not exactly a valid source. That is a fact.
Anyone can go and write an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is
not reviewed by anyone at all therefore it is not considered a
legitimate source of information (I admit, I go to Wiki alot)
but again, if you are doing a research paper, citing Wikipedia
is a no-no.
With what Whitewing stated Tony, it seemed like you are taking
offense to the mere fact that Whitewing stated a fact. Whitewing
never said having a Ph.D is better than a person not having a
Ph.D. I think that anyone who actually takes the time to read
this thread will be able to figure that out. Whitewing never
stated that being a college grad makes you better than someone
who is not. What he did insinuate, and I agree with, is that an
article written and reviewed by professionals takes precedences
over an article written by a Joe blow from the internet.
Scholarly articles are reviewed by peers within their specific
field of study which gives it more merit. It's akin to someone
taking something written about rollers from me (a no-name in the
roller world/fancy)) on Wikipedia vs. an article written about
rollers from say a Dr. Graham Dexter that has been reviewed by
the likes of a George Mason, Eric Laidler, and so forth. It's
better to cite the article by a Dr. Graham Dexter that has been
reviewed by other well-known roller men than an article that was
written by me and has never been reviewed or critiqued.
Just to clear the air, I am merely stating an opinion of mine
along with a fact. Also, this is a great site and is not worth
leaving over something this small. This is nothing compared to
the colored wars lol. I've spent numerous hours scouring this
site to learn as much about rollers as possible and some of the
posts from 2006-2009 were really nasty lol.
I do agree with Tony that a college education doesn't really
guarantee you anything in this current economy BUT I fail to see
how that is relevant to the original post made by Whitewing. It
does seem like Whitewing's comments were taken personally and
misconstrued into something it was not. Read the OP again, it
does not talk about college grads getting work or how much they
get paid (although overall, the higher the degree, the more you
make). Whitewing's post was entirely about the issue of using
Wikipedia as a valid source which it cannot. Simply put, while I
use wikipedia all the time and it is a very reliable source of
information overall, if I were ever to write/discuss/argue about
anything, I would not cite wikipedia because of what Wikipedia
says about itself:
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
BTW, I am writing this with no bias as I've never met/talked
with Tony nor have I met/talked with WhiteWing before. Matter of
fact, that was the first time I've responded to a Whitewing
post.
PS, SoundRollers made me chuckle a bit so here's a little more.
Let's just all enjoy life a little more. This is really a
trivial issue in the greater journey that is life. Sure when
given the choice, one should cite a scholarly article over a
Wiki article but in the grand scheme of things, this is nothing.
We all enjoy rollers, so let's do just that. Sure there are
little discussions, heated debates every now and then but what
would life be without a little discussion? Open your minds, be
free, and enjoy life
Tou
#Post#: 6706--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 29, 2011, 9:28 am
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I will make this simple: Whitewing "appealed to authority" in
rebutting my citation, I did NOT disagree with the wiki thing (I
hope you recognized that). He went on to place
college/university level persons as all knowing and wise. I
pointed out with the Vox article that oftentimes these experts
are completely wrong! I made my point.
You have already agreed with my conclusion, Show me where my
facts are wrong. ;)
#Post#: 6707--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: April 29, 2011, 9:33 am
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Don't mistake me being point blank as being angry , there is
nothing said here to be angry about , anyone that knows me knows
that I'm not angry by nature.
Back to education. I didn't even graduate from high school ,
and that isn't a good thing , but what I did do is learn to work
which was also very valuable in shaping me.
Every thing you do in your youth shapes your future. The
mistake is thinking that somehow it is going to propel you in
life and make you smarter where it counts above those that took
different avenues. The fact is I use those that are much more
educated in positions where I need them within my business. I'm
glad they got educated because I'm able to use it. What is
ironic is that a high school drop out is sighning thier pay
checks, yep there is a little bit more to being successful than
an education, but no doubt I myself would be more with one.
[quote author=Sound Rollers link=topic=513.msg6704#msg6704
date=1304086364]
Hmmmmm that must be why your always angry.[quote
author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=513.msg6701#msg6701
date=1304051593]
I thought I was getting a bus to go to college , next thing I
know some crazy guy is screaming get off the bus and next thing
I know my head was shaved. I was wearing OD greens and had a
M16 in my hands getting an education on field stripping it ,
couldn't find where they kept the girls either.. obviously
college wasn't what I expected.
[/quote]
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#Post#: 6708--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: WhiteWing Date: April 29, 2011, 10:12 am
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[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=513.msg6706#msg6706
date=1304087289]
I will make this simple: Whitewing "appealed to authority" in
rebutting my citation, I did NOT disagree with the wiki thing (I
hope you recognized that). He went on to place
college/university level persons as all knowing and wise. I
pointed out with the Vox article that oftentimes these experts
are completely wrong! I made my point.
You have already agreed with my conclusion, Show me where my
facts are wrong. ;)
[/quote]
Tony, you have your opinions on education and I have mine.
That's all that can be said. Nothing like a good heated debate
;) You have a great site here with some awesome rollermen on
board.
Tou, you hit the nail on the head and further brought forth all
that I was meaning to get across. Thanks for your input.
#Post#: 6709--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 29, 2011, 10:27 am
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Hello WhiteWing, I appreciate your comments, but I don't see
where our opinions diverge. Maybe I am slow this morning...In
any event, keep your birds flying! :D
#Post#: 6711--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Steve49 Date: April 29, 2011, 1:56 pm
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[quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=513.msg6707#msg6707
date=1304087623]
Don't mistake me being point blank and being angry , there is
nothing said here to be angry about , anyone that knows me knows
that I'm not angry by nature.
Back to education. I didn't even graduate from high school ,
and that isn't a good thing , but what I did do is learn to work
which was also very valuable in shaping me.
Every thing you do in your youth shapes your future. The
mistake is thinking that somehow it is going to propel you in
life and make you smarter where it counts above those that took
different avenues. The fact is I use those that are much more
educated in positions where I need them within my business. I'm
glad they got educated because I'm able to use it. What is
ironic is that a high school drop out is sighning thier pay
checks, yep there is a little bit more to being successful than
an education, but no doubt I myself would be more with one.
[quote author=Sound Rollers link=topic=513.msg6704#msg6704
date=1304086364]
Hmmmmm that must be why your always angry.[quote
author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=513.msg6701#msg6701
date=1304051593]
I thought I was getting a bus to go to college , next thing I
know some crazy guy is screaming get off the bus and next thing
I know my head was shaved. I was wearing OD greens and had a
M16 in my hands getting an education on field stripping it ,
couldn't find where they kept the girls either.. obviously
college wasn't what I expected.
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Scott, i completely agree that you MIGHT have been more
successful had you rec'd a college education. However, since
you're a self made man, along with myself, i wouldn't minimize
your station in life because you DIDN'T get a degree. my wife
and i both never finished college, and we made a pact that all
four of our children should have the oppurtunity to go to
college. they all graduated from college, and i continually
remind them that just graduating from college doesn't give one a
free ride to anywhere. it builds character, but most imortantly,
it shows the ability to complete a task, though often more than
the usual 4 years. Too many people today think there is some
sort of entitlement because they graduated school. You have to
wonder how much of the time they spent at college would have
been better had they simply entered the work force and 'learned
the ropes' the hard way after high school. So, maybe you would
not have turned out as successful as you did if you did go to
college, because the time you spent at school for 4 or more
years might not have been as productive as you would think.
#Post#: 6717--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: raul carreiro Date: April 30, 2011, 3:54 pm
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Having a College Education certainly does have its benifits! For
example when was the last time you have seen well manicured
Colledge educated CEOs in some of the worlds top Fortune 500
companys having to wipe up the mess that they have left behind?
Education comes in many forms!! Scott you have every right to be
proud in knowing that like me and many others who did not
finish High school It is persons like US that they look to , to
bail them out!!!!!!
#Post#: 6718--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Sound Rollers Date: April 30, 2011, 7:36 pm
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Your absolutely right Raul, NASA sent a monkey to space instead
of General Chuck Yeager, one of the greatest test pilots the
United States has ever had. Must have been one hell of an
educated Monkey. [quote author=raul carreiro
link=topic=513.msg6717#msg6717 date=1304196871]
Having a College Education certainly does have its benifits! For
example when was the last time you have seen well manicured
Colledge educated CEOs in some of the worlds top Fortune 500
companys having to wipe up the mess that they have left behind?
Education comes in many forms!! Scott you have every right to be
proud in knowing that like me and many others who did not
finish High school It is persons like US that they look to , to
bail them out!!!!!!
[/quote]
#Post#: 6719--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: April 30, 2011, 11:14 pm
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Raul, proud ? no .. God picked me up at age 27 and changed my
life.. trust me it was none of my doing.
Scott
[quote author=raul carreiro link=topic=513.msg6717#msg6717
date=1304196871]
Having a College Education certainly does have its benifits! For
example when was the last time you have seen well manicured
Colledge educated CEOs in some of the worlds top Fortune 500
companys having to wipe up the mess that they have left behind?
Education comes in many forms!! Scott you have every right to be
proud in knowing that like me and many others who did not
finish High school It is persons like US that they look to , to
bail them out!!!!!!
[/quote]
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