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College Educations
By: WhiteWing Date: April 28, 2011, 1:07 pm
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[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=466.msg5884#msg5884
date=1301786453]
Here is something that some might find interesting regarding why
Mendelian inheritance doesn't work when considering the roll
factor in Birmingham Rollers; this comes from wikipedia:[/quote]
Good topic. . . bad information source. Not saying that this
article is not 100% correct because I am not a geneticist
myself, but anyone and I mean absolutely ANYONE can write these
articles on wikipedia. They are not "scholarly" works, meaning
they are not written, reviewed, and revised by a board of
educated specialists in that particular field. I could write an
article on wikipedia about how I have successfully bred pink
flying elephants, and they would publish it onto their site as
true information.
Wikipedia is never, in any case, allowed as a source for cited
works on any papers at the college in which I attend, or for
that matter, most colleges.
Not trying to stir the pot, just a simple fact for future
reference. ;D
#Post#: 6687--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 28, 2011, 2:18 pm
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[quote author=WhiteWing link=topic=466.msg6686#msg6686
date=1304014071]
[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=466.msg5884#msg5884
date=1301786453]
Here is something that some might find interesting regarding why
Mendelian inheritance doesn't work when considering the roll
factor in Birmingham Rollers; this comes from wikipedia:[/quote]
Good topic. . . bad information source. Not saying that this
article is not 100% correct because I am not a geneticist
myself, but anyone and I mean absolutely ANYONE can write these
articles on wikipedia. They are not "scholarly" works, meaning
they are not written, reviewed, and revised by a board of
educated specialists in that particular field. I could write an
article on wikipedia about how I have successfully bred pink
flying elephants, and they would publish it onto their site as
true information.
Wikipedia is never, in any case, allowed as a source for cited
works on any papers at the college in which I attend, or for
that matter, most colleges.
Not trying to stir the pot, just a simple fact for future
reference. ;D
[/quote]
LOL Glad you find the topic interesting. However, I did go to
other sources. I chose wiki to cite. BTW:...and colleges churn
out useless certificate bearing graduates whom too often cannot
find gainful employment in said field. I doubt your experience
with profit motivated college qualifies you to comment
meaningfully on this topic as I doubt your source has provided
you with sufficient critical thinking skills. :P
#Post#: 6688--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: wannaroll Date: April 28, 2011, 3:44 pm
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[quote author=WhiteWing link=topic=466.msg6686#msg6686
date=1304014071]
[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=466.msg5884#msg5884
date=1301786453]
Here is something that some might find interesting regarding why
Mendelian inheritance doesn't work when considering the roll
factor in Birmingham Rollers; this comes from wikipedia:[/quote]
Good topic. . . bad information source. Not saying that this
article is not 100% correct because I am not a geneticist
myself, but anyone and I mean absolutely ANYONE can write these
articles on wikipedia. They are not "scholarly" works, meaning
they are not written, reviewed, and revised by a board of
educated specialists in that particular field. I could write an
article on wikipedia about how I have successfully bred pink
flying elephants, and they would publish it onto their site as
true information.
Wikipedia is never, in any case, allowed as a source for cited
works on any papers at the college in which I attend, or for
that matter, most colleges.
Not trying to stir the pot, just a simple fact for future
reference. ;D
[/quote]
How much do you get for the Elephants? I've been try to find
some for awhile now. I'm looking to have a whole kit of pink
roller elephants.
#Post#: 6691--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: WhiteWing Date: April 28, 2011, 4:54 pm
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[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=466.msg6687#msg6687
date=1304018319]
[quote author=WhiteWing link=topic=466.msg6686#msg6686
date=1304014071]
[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=466.msg5884#msg5884
date=1301786453]
Here is something that some might find interesting regarding why
Mendelian inheritance doesn't work when considering the roll
factor in Birmingham Rollers; this comes from wikipedia:[/quote]
Good topic. . . bad information source. Not saying that this
article is not 100% correct because I am not a geneticist
myself, but anyone and I mean absolutely ANYONE can write these
articles on wikipedia. They are not "scholarly" works, meaning
they are not written, reviewed, and revised by a board of
educated specialists in that particular field. I could write an
article on wikipedia about how I have successfully bred pink
flying elephants, and they would publish it onto their site as
true information.
Wikipedia is never, in any case, allowed as a source for cited
works on any papers at the college in which I attend, or for
that matter, most colleges.
Not trying to stir the pot, just a simple fact for future
reference. ;D
[/quote]
LOL Glad you find the topic interesting. However, I did go to
other sources. I chose wiki to cite. BTW:...and colleges churn
out useless certificate bearing graduates whom too often cannot
find gainful employment in said field. I doubt your experience
with profit motivated college qualifies you to comment
meaningfully on this topic as I doubt your source has provided
you with sufficient critical thinking skills. :P
[/quote]
You're right about the critical thinking skills! That's
something that can't be learned ;) lol
#Post#: 6692--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: WhiteWing Date: April 28, 2011, 4:56 pm
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[quote author=Wannaroll link=topic=466.msg6688#msg6688
date=1304023459]
[quote author=WhiteWing link=topic=466.msg6686#msg6686
date=1304014071]
[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=466.msg5884#msg5884
date=1301786453]
Here is something that some might find interesting regarding why
Mendelian inheritance doesn't work when considering the roll
factor in Birmingham Rollers; this comes from wikipedia:[/quote]
Good topic. . . bad information source. Not saying that this
article is not 100% correct because I am not a geneticist
myself, but anyone and I mean absolutely ANYONE can write these
articles on wikipedia. They are not "scholarly" works, meaning
they are not written, reviewed, and revised by a board of
educated specialists in that particular field. I could write an
article on wikipedia about how I have successfully bred pink
flying elephants, and they would publish it onto their site as
true information.
Wikipedia is never, in any case, allowed as a source for cited
works on any papers at the college in which I attend, or for
that matter, most colleges.
Not trying to stir the pot, just a simple fact for future
reference. ;D
[/quote]
How much do you get for the Elephants? I've been try to find
some for awhile now. I'm looking to have a whole kit of pink
roller elephants.
[/quote]
Can't give the darn things away! Everyone fears a rolldown ;)
#Post#: 6697--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 28, 2011, 8:26 pm
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From:
HTML http://voxday.blogspot.com/search/label/education
HTML http://voxday.blogspot.com/search/label/education
Never trust the experts Zero Hedge underlines one of my
personal maxims
HTML http://www.zerohedge.com/article/remember-mit-all-safe-paper:
<blockquote>Confirming, yet again, that MIT Ph.D.'s (such as
the FRBNY's Brian Sack) are among the most dangerous around, a
paper made the rounds yesterday by one Josef Oehmen titled: "Why
I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors." In the ensuing
48 hours, anyone who listened to Josef's advice (who
incidentally is not a scientist) and was also "not worried about
the reactors" has paid an exorbitant price, possibly up to and
including their lives. We demand that MIT School of Nuclear
Science and Engineering clarify their position on the matter,
and make sure that incidents such as this, where Oehmen's paper
received top billing due to its perceived "endorsement" by MIT
and has since been completely discredited, never recur.
Full paper as was originally posted:
</blockquote> I repeat, there was and will *not* be any
significant release of radioactivity from the damaged Japanese
reactors.
An expert is someone who is always correct when it doesn't
matter and usually wrong when it counts. This is one of the
reasons why I never, ever, put any faith in credentials.
Credentials are completely worthless, they're not worth the
paper on which they are printed. Experience is somewhat more
useful, but when the experienced individual cannot provide clear
and sensible answers to straightforward and logically sound
questions, your BS radar should be sounding like a radiation
alarm at a Fukushima nuclear plant.
How did that M.I.T. PhD-backed prediction hold up? "Dangerous
levels of radiation leaking from a crippled nuclear plant forced
Japan to order 140,000 people to seal themselves indoors Tuesday
after an explosion and a fire dramatically escalated the crisis
spawned by a deadly tsunami. In a nationally televised
statement, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said radiation had spread
from the four stricken reactors of the Fukushima Dai-ichi
nuclear plant along Japan's northeastern coast."
And now we know what an assurance from an M.I.T. PhD is worth.
How much less, then, is a PhD from a lesser school or in a less
rigorous discipline to be trusted? What must always be kept in
mind is that the expert's primary motivation is not what most
people assume it to be. Their main motivation is to sound
credible rather than make an accurate judgment so they will
always play the probabilities and state the obvious because this
a) allows them to be correct most of the time, and b) only be
wrong when everyone else is wrong.
#Post#: 6699--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: 2y4life Date: April 28, 2011, 9:12 pm
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So what exactly is the point of this thread again? To demean
education? All I have to say is that a person with a Ph.D isn't
always right but when talking about things in their respective
field, I'll take a Ph.D over the average joe. If I need brain
surgery, I'll take my chances with a board certified surgeon
than some guy with an opinion. To say otherwise is ludicrous.
#Post#: 6700--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: WhiteWing Date: April 28, 2011, 10:28 pm
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[quote author=2y4life link=topic=513.msg6699#msg6699
date=1304043129]
So what exactly is the point of this thread again? To demean
education? All I have to say is that a person with a Ph.D isn't
always right but when talking about things in their respective
field, I'll take a Ph.D over the average joe. If I need brain
surgery, I'll take my chances with a board certified surgeon
than some guy with an opinion. To say otherwise is ludicrous.
[/quote]
Thanks for speaking up 2y4life. I too would rather have a
"scholarly" Ph.D operating on me, rather than the average joe,
and those holding Ph.D's deserve some what respect. I did not
start this thread as Tony has "fixed" it to appear. Tony himself
started this thread and pasted my name to it. (NOT appreciated).
I posted a simple fact on another thread and Tony has decided to
demean education and run wild with a factual comment that I made
about Wikipedia.
Tony, I was in no means trying to show you up, or degrade your
post by stating the fact that Wikipedia is not a scholarly site
(from which you cited a work). If revenge is your game, then I
will take my opinions to a site that is focused on bettering the
Birmingham Roller, rather than bashing fellow rollermen out
there.
#Post#: 6701--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: April 28, 2011, 11:33 pm
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I thought I was getting a bus to go to college , next thing I
know some crazy guy is screaming get off the bus and next thing
I know my head was shaved. I was wearing OD greens and had a
M16 in my hands getting an education on field stripping it ,
couldn't find where they kept the girls either.. obviously
college wasn't what I expected.
#Post#: 6703--------------------------------------------------
Re: College Educations
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 29, 2011, 7:58 am
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WhiteWing, you started the college education thang, I responded,
you responded. I been around long enough to know this was going
to have absolutely nothing to do with the thread itself, so I
split the topic off. No ill or evil was intended by splitting it
off or naming the thread title as I did.
I am not demeaning education at all, I am simply using critical
thinking skills and don't necessarily place it on a the pedestal
like so many persons. An education in itself is amoral. Getting
tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to
earn a Phd may not be all its cracked up to be, especially if
too many are issued. Who is going to employ them with the
economy in the tailspin that it is in?
If one can use it to find gainful employment (not in the
government) or start a new business enterprise then that is
great! I am not going to hold up a person having a college
degree or PhD any better than a High School diploma. However, if
I need brain surgery then I will hope that only the most
experienced and successful surgeon will by my doctor. That's a
no brainer. :D
I read more and more about the education bubble and that it too,
like all bubbles will pop and there will be a glut of educated
unemployed workers who will still be responsible to pay for
their student loans regardless. Good luck with that, a mortgage
is hard enough. :P
Do not hate the messenger, hate the message. ;D
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