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Re: The "One"
By: raul carreiro Date: April 1, 2011, 2:30 pm
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[quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=464.msg5858#msg5858
date=1301682264]
Raul , I don't get any where near 70 - 80 0/0 good one's , wish
I did , I would be on top of the mountain.
[quote author=raul carreiro link=topic=464.msg5857#msg5857
date=1301673061]
Scott, what percentage do you consider an avarage cull rate?
The reason I ask is what is a cull to some, others may not
consider a cull. I am working with 2 strains at the moment, Bob
Brown based birds and Rubys. With the Bob Brown Based birds my
cull rate is about 20-30%. I have only started breeding the Ruby
line and have just started to fly the young, so I am not able to
give a cull rate at this time until I have tested them in the
air! But I am sure there will be culls in the Ruby line as well.
But again not everyone has the same thought in what is
considererd a cull. My idea of a culls and not neccesarily in
this order are non kitting birds, Late roll development (12
months or more) straight flyers,infreqent roll (less than once
per min) early landers, etc. I dont cull rolldowns they cull
thems selfs lol! I do understand that each family of birds have
differences and only with enough time flying these families can
one evaluate the birds.
What do you look for when deciding what is to be culled?
Raul.
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Scott, I only breed about 20-25 young birds a year LOL! if I am
lucky to keep 70% of them thats about 16 birds. From those I fly
for another year and what is not to my likeing I cull again! So
in realality I end up with about 10 birds out of what I bred.
Raul.
#Post#: 5861--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
By: raul carreiro Date: April 1, 2011, 2:40 pm
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2y4life, I only breed about 20-25 young birds a year. So if I
cull 30% of them you will see that I do cull heavily considering
my numbers bred. I dont need to breed hundreds of birds because
to begin with my birds are of quality,not the best but are of
good quality, and I donot have any bops to deal with! I believe
if someone has to breed hundreds of birds to get lets say 40-50%
of good birds, he should take another look at wheter or not his
breeders are of good quality to begin with, and are indeed
produceing as good or better! JMHO
Raul.
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Re: The "One"
By: wishiwon2 Date: April 1, 2011, 2:47 pm
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[quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=464.msg5843#msg5843
date=1301667583]
Yes Tony you MUST know how they develope
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[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=464.msg5840#msg5840
date=1301665473]
Yeah WhiteWing, seems like the goalposts have been moved. Now we
must know HOW a bird develops to be considered worthy? ...
... At worst it is a 50/50 proposition for a particular perched
picked bird.
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It depends on what you want from your birds over the long run.
More often than not, like begets like. If you choose only the
end product, paying no attention to how it came to be, you are
commiting yourself to doing the same steps over in order to get
that end result.
If a bird struggles with stability, kitting, maintaining weight,
bumping (list goes on) or any number of faults during its
development and later in its life gains maturity, mental and
physical strength to overcome and be in control of the same
weaknesses. Then we decide to breed from it because the finished
product is desireable. Odds are many of its offspring will show
the same weaknesses it did during development or worse. Unless
as a flier you are into coddling and nuturing special those
cases that need extra attention, you are shooting yourself in
the foot by choosing only based on end product not including how
it developed in the decision.
True you could breed it and only keep those that dont show the
fault, but then you're choosing for the exception, not the
majority. we all make choices from time to time because of where
we are at in our programs. But ideally you should choose birds
that developed just how you want them to, without issues.
Yes, I agree it does matter how they develope, absolutely. Maybe
even to a degree equal to that of what the finished bird is.
I say at best its 50:50. I say improve your odds and fly it out.
There are no guarantees still. No matter how you choose, it
takes years of effort and years to see the significance of your
choices.
Jon
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Re: The "One"
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 1, 2011, 3:01 pm
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Hey Jon, like you indicate, like begets like, so if I pick a
bird from the perch that is down from good stock birds,
well...nuff said. Guys, stop getting so nit picky, the more you
do, the less sense your arguments make. Stop seeing things in
the micro all the time and try to to see the macro, then it all
starts to make better sense. Not everyone is capable - so no
worries, I love you all. ;D
#Post#: 5864--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
By: wishiwon2 Date: April 1, 2011, 3:09 pm
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Show me the lineage that doesnt produce culls and I'm all in. My
culls come from the same 'good stock' as my all-stars.
#Post#: 5865--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 1, 2011, 3:10 pm
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[quote author=wishiwon2 link=topic=464.msg5864#msg5864
date=1301688560]
Show me the lineage that doesnt produce culls and I'm all in. My
culls come from the same 'good stock' as my all-stars.
[/quote]
Don't put words in my mouth
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Re: The "One"
By: michael salus Date: April 1, 2011, 3:16 pm
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Scott, I read on another site where a well known
fancier said he gets over 90% keepers. When I read that, I
thought that was awful high, but I guess it's really about what
we think a keeper is and what qualities we look for .
#Post#: 5867--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: April 1, 2011, 3:26 pm
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It just simply doesn't work that way.
(Hey Jon, like you indicate, like begets like, so if I pick a
bird from the perch that is down from good stock birds,
well...nuff said.)
#Post#: 5868--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 1, 2011, 3:27 pm
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Well then, with that last comment, just what is the proper
percentage that is allowable in order to be acceptable to some
of you guys? I mean, you must know, right? I doubt it. There
must be virtue in keeping only a low percentage. Do they hand
out a prize for that? :D
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Re: The "One"
By: Tony Chavarria Date: April 1, 2011, 3:27 pm
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[quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=464.msg5867#msg5867
date=1301689603]
It just simply doesn't work that way.
(Hey Jon, like you indicate, like begets like, so if I pick a
bird from the perch that is down from good stock birds,
well...nuff said.)
[/quote]
Yes it does.
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