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#Post#: 5804--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: raul carreiro
Date: March 31, 2011, 6:41 am
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Tony picking from the perch for birds within ones own strain by
looking for certain characteristics and subtle indicators,
knowing the family, lineage etc is feasable! As you state you
have been working with your family going on 20 years. Who knows
better than the person who created his or her own strain through
many years of observation and flying which birds have the tell
tale signs of becoming good performers? As you know this is my
first year breeding Rubys and I have already noticed that the
best young birds that are starting to perform have a certain
character, type and expression. Already I have an idea by
looking at other young birds not yet on the wing and comparing
their type,character etc to the ones that are already flying,
which birds have the potential to be good performers ;) With
your strain there are certain subtle Homozygous traits that if
one spends enough time looking at learns to reconize is an
indicator for potenial quality performers :D Now those you
claim can pick a good performer from a picture or even enter
another fanciers loft and identify the best performers, well
that to me in my opinion is to far fetched to have any validity!
Raul.
#Post#: 5805--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: March 31, 2011, 7:27 am
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--- Quote from: raul carreiro link ---
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> ...Now those you claim can pick a good performer from a
picture or even enter another fanciers loft and identify the
best performers, well that to me in my opinion is to far fetched
to have any validity!
> Raul.
--- End Quote ---
Hi Raul, no, you may have misunderstood me, I DON'T think a
person can look at a picture and determine a good roller. Like I
pointed out, I think my birds lose something in the translation
when photographed.
#Post#: 5808--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: n00bR0113rs
Date: March 31, 2011, 8:53 am
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So it all comes down to that picking "The One" off the perch is
contingent between the breeder(you and I) and the family of
birds you are working with. Only the one raising their own birds
can tell which birds are going to be good. Sounds good. Now to
study my birds. ;D
Pigeon people are the best.
Xee
#Post#: 5809--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: raul carreiro
Date: March 31, 2011, 8:56 am
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--- Quote from: Tony Chavarria link ---
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> [quote author=raul carreiro link=topic=464.msg5804#msg5804
date=1301571702]
> ...Now those you claim can pick a good performer from a
picture or even enter another fanciers loft and identify the
best performers, well that to me in my opinion is to far fetched
to have any validity!
> Raul.
--- End Quote ---
Hi Raul, no, you may have misunderstood me, I DON'T think a
person can look at a picture and determine a good roller. Like I
pointed out, I think my birds lose something in the translation
when photographed.
[/quote]
Hi Tony, no I did not misunderstand you :D I was not refuring
to you, but to those who "claim" can look at a picture or enter
someones loft and determine a good roller. ;) For those who
believe they can predict such, I would like their advice on
which stocks to Invest in ::)
Raul.
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Re: The "One"
DIR By: WhiteWing
Date: March 31, 2011, 10:01 am
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>
> besides, not all great performers have the same body type
anyways.
>
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I can vouch with Steve. I've had large, thick built birds spin
with just as much velocity as some I have that are smaller than
a dove. All from the same line might I add.
#Post#: 5813--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: March 31, 2011, 10:08 am
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--- Quote from: n00bR0113rs link ---
>
> So it all comes down to that picking "The One" off the perch
is contingent between the breeder(you and I) and the family of
birds you are working with. Only the one raising their own birds
can tell which birds are going to be good. Sounds good. Now to
study my birds. ;D Pigeon people are the best. Xee
--- End Quote ---
Xee, essentially you are correct. Picking "the one" from the
perch is not devoid of previous knowledge of the family, its
parentage and subtle indicators that are picked up on over time.
The "over time" I refer to is actually the many seasons of
flying the forerunners to a bird selected off the perch.
My two primary foundation cock birds were flown multiple years
before I selected them, same for the several primary stock hens.
Picking a bird off the perch that you have not flown out and
designating it your foundation cock/hen would not necessarily be
wise for a new person to rollers.
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Re: The "One"
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: March 31, 2011, 10:13 am
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--- Quote from: WhiteWing link ---
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> [quote author=Steve49 link=topic=464.msg5795#msg5795
date=1301515483]
>
> besides, not all great performers have the same body type
anyways.
>
--- End Quote ---
I can vouch with Steve. I've had large, thick built birds spin
with just as much velocity as some I have that are smaller than
a dove. All from the same line might I add.
[/quote]
Hello Whitewing, welcome to the site. I don't think anyone is
saying that a large or small bird from the same family can not
perform in a top notch manner. However, over time, a family
selected for a certain traits and characteristics (which
includes proper rolling)will take on a homozygous look. Once
these traits are set, I think it is a this point that subtle
clues are available to the keen fancier.
#Post#: 5816--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: WhiteWing
Date: March 31, 2011, 11:53 am
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Hello Tony, and thanks for the welcome. I totally agree with
you there, IF a breeder selects for certain traits in his birds,
along with the rolling ability of course, they can be bred to
resemble a certain desired look or structural appearance
accompanying the traits of a good roller. I'll be the first to
admit, I haven't gotten to that height of standard yet with my
family, but I know it can be achieved.
I'm a young gun to the roller world, so any input is welcomed
:D
#Post#: 5820--------------------------------------------------
Re: The "One"
DIR By: Cliff Ball
Date: March 31, 2011, 3:33 pm
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I know that some of you have heard me tell this story already,
but when North Carolina hosted the NBRC Convention, I trained a
kit of birds donated for auction, by Master Flyer Clay Hoyle,
NBRC 11-bird Champion Jay Yandle, World Cup Champion Joe Bob
Stuka, NBRC 20-bird Champion Charlie Stack, NBRC 11-bird
Champion Don Simpson, myself and several other reputable
Carolina fliers in our region. Before we flew them, we asked the
convention attendees, which included novice and veteran fliers
from accross the nation, to select the bird that would be judged
the best performer in the air when we flew them. After displaing
them in show cages and the men made their selections, we flew
the kit and a three-man panel composed of Randy Gibson, Scott
Campbell and Brent Martindale selected the best performer. Not
one NBRC convention attendee chose the correct bird from the
show cage as the best performer that was selected from the air!
You would think that at least one guy would have gotten lucky!
Cliff
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Re: The "One"
DIR By: Tony Chavarria
Date: March 31, 2011, 3:46 pm
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Yeah Cliff, I remember that story. But I just want to point out
that I think the real value to this thread is that keen
observation over lengthy period of time tends to produce a
better result when picking birds from the perch. I think also
that no one is claiming to to spot champions, just the subtle
sign and cues that perhaps point to a better than average bird.
I think it should also be pointed out that the goal for these
specially selected birds is to produce the goods in their
offspring. If they can't, it was a bad selection, if they
produce good ones, it was a good selection. So there is a
process by which these types of birds are tested.
So if you have a higher propensity to pick good ones from the
perch, you got the eye to pick "the one".
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