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#Post#: 1558--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 20, 2010, 8:44 pm
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Thom, I'm going to tell on myself a little here. i raised a
rolldown that was the fastest bird I have ever seen. He was
shrinking on the way down and was nothing but a blurr for the
last 30 foot. He tried to pull out and was putting on the breaks
about the last 10 foot but velocity had him. I was tempted to
breed from him as it didnt kill him but it broke him up a bit.
My birds are fast but this fellow was gettin it and I don't
think it is possible for a bird to spin faster and stay in one
piece. I know being a rolldown makes that a different case but I
thought I would add that to the page. I have not raised but a
handfull that gain speed but they are a joy to watch. Last year
Wendell Carter picked a little hen out of the kit that would
when he was judging and I had the bellneck the year before and
like I said the two this year "siblings" could not fly the time
due to wearing there self's out.
P.S. I went back and reread my post and need to clarify, not all
of my deep birds gain speed, but they do maintain it.
#Post#: 1567--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: oldfart Date: October 21, 2010, 6:42 am
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Hey Ty, I have raised a few birds that would snap into the spin
so fast they just seemed to hang in the air before dropping.
They could maintain that speed but were not real deep, in the
thirty to forty foot range. I have birds that are deeper and
spin with class but not with that speed but I'm working on it!
:)
Take care my friend
Thom
#Post#: 1590--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: fernandoruelasIII(IRC) Date: October 21, 2010, 3:34 pm
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when they hit the floor and cant get back into the kit
#Post#: 1595--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 21, 2010, 6:16 pm
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[quote author=oldfart link=topic=150.msg1567#msg1567
date=1287661347]
Hey Ty, I have raised a few birds that would snap into the spin
so fast they just seemed to hang in the air before dropping.
They could maintain that speed but were not real deep, in the
thirty to forty foot range. I have birds that are deeper and
spin with class but not with that speed but I'm working on it!
:)
Take care my friend
Thom
[/quote]
Thom those birds are fun to watch, but are few and far between.
I refer to them as floaters. It's sorta funny how every year our
standards go up and up and what was top shelf last year becomes
average today. :D
#Post#: 8056--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: Paul Conway Date: July 10, 2011, 8:56 pm
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I know this is an older thread, but after reading all the posts
I had a question- that bird that rolled too deep and wears
itself out- if it rolls fast and with good style would you breed
it or not breed it? breed it to another almost as deep that is
able to get back to the kit and maintain over the entire time
flown? breed it to something that is less deep but with good
style and speed as well. My thought would be if I liked
everything else I might breed it to a bird that rolled not
nearly as deep but with good speed and style as well to try and
balance things out. just wondering if that's a solid line of
thinking or not. Thanks folks, Paul Conway.
#Post#: 8058--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 10, 2011, 10:06 pm
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[quote author=BigShawn link=topic=150.msg1453#msg1453
date=1287368624]
I had a bird that would roll down in the breeding loft. He was a
quick cull. Shawn
[/quote]
Heh, did he roll down when you flew him with the kit? If so, how
did he find himself in the breeding loft? Or did he just roll
down in the breeding loft and kill hisself? :o
#Post#: 8059--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: Tony Chavarria Date: July 10, 2011, 10:20 pm
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[quote author=Paul Conway link=topic=150.msg8056#msg8056
date=1310349403]
I know this is an older thread, but after reading all the posts
I had a question- that bird that rolled too deep and wears
itself out- if it rolls fast and with good style would you breed
it or not breed it? breed it to another almost as deep that is
able to get back to the kit and maintain over the entire time
flown? breed it to something that is less deep but with good
style and speed as well. My thought would be if I liked
everything else I might breed it to a bird that rolled not
nearly as deep but with good speed and style as well to try and
balance things out. just wondering if that's a solid line of
thinking or not. Thanks folks, Paul Conway.
[/quote]
Hey Paul, I think that sometimes, the "logic" of breeding a deep
to a shallow type bird in order to get a medium bird is not
always gonna work out that way. Allot of what happens with
certain pairings is a hit or miss trial and error kind of thing.
Try it and see what happens. If nothing else, you will gain
first hand experience and develop a deeper understanding of your
family's genetics. I would try it on a variety of birds and see
what the youngsters do. Your loft is your science lab. :D
#Post#: 8065--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: BigShawn Date: July 11, 2011, 1:09 am
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[quote author=Tony Chavarria link=topic=150.msg8058#msg8058
date=1310353592]
Heh, did he roll down when you flew him with the kit? If so, how
did he find himself in the breeding loft? Or did he just roll
down in the breeding loft and kill hisself? :o
[/quote] He was one of the first birds I got when I got back
into rollers so I had to breed him. I was flying open loft then.
And he ended up culling himself. Shawn
#Post#: 8386--------------------------------------------------
Re: How deep is too deep?
By: wannaroll Date: August 1, 2011, 2:36 pm
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To me a 20' average depth kit that balls up and rolls together
is hard to beat in a competition ;D . If you have 20 birds that
roll 30-40 feet and break together and kit back together like
they are one, would be to much to expect . If you have 5-10
birds rolling 30-40 and the rest are 15-20 footers, I think it
would be hard to score the bigger breaks and keep the kit
together. The deeper birds tend to not hold up over the fly
sesson, but there are exceptions to the rule.
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