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       #Post#: 1521--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: BigShawn
       Date: October 20, 2010, 9:30 am
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       I'm glad that all you judges are sharing. I think it helps us
       who havent flown comp yet to better understand what you are
       looking at and judging. Thanks for sharing guys. Shawn
       #Post#: 1524--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: Cliff Ball
       Date: October 20, 2010, 10:03 am
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       One of the good points made in the sharing of opinions, here,
       is: HOW FAR IS TOO FAR to score a kit? .....No further than the
       judge can see the wing positions and the quality of every bird
       that meets the judges standard. Now, how far is that? It will
       depend on the judge's eye sight, lighting , background (blue sky
       vs. overcast), distance to the kit, and weather conditions.  So
       a general rule..... If you can't see the wings as they fly, you
       can't see the wing positions as they perform. And this applies,
       to each and every break or bird scored, not just the ones up
       close.  Remember this if you chose to fly too early in the
       morning or too late in the evening.  I am waiting for a judge to
       whip out his 12X binoculars and keep calling breaks. Yes, I hope
       to Hell I am kidding! Cliff
       #Post#: 1525--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: MOTHERLODELOFTS
       Date: October 20, 2010, 10:13 am
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       (Scott and the likes...Since you promote yourselve as the
       quality expert, please share with us your own definition of "Kit
       Quality" in competition and let us compare notes...would you!
       This could be educational to all and very interesting. I am
       ready for a meaningfull discussion.)
       Jay
       #Post#: 1527--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: rollerpigeon1963
       Date: October 20, 2010, 11:18 am
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       Hey Scott,
       I can tell you about one kit that I had the pleasure of
       judging that I thought had "Kit Quality" It was back in 2003 or
       2004. The guy put up 18 birds I believe. They went up and not
       one bird rolled. I was get kinda worried and then all of a
       sudden they broke. I mean nice clean break no stalling one
       up-lift just like they hit a wall. bam down they came. They
       rolled 30' plus smooth and straight as an arrow. excellent
       seperation from the kit. It was like a mirrow watching each bird
       roll from one to another. And when they stopped they started
       heading back to the kit. The kit actually lowered to pick up the
       birds. And bam again they rolled same as the first roll. Just
       like hitting a wall and again they met as they were heading back
       to the kit. I looked at my score keeper and his mouth was just
       wide open as he seen what I seen. I mean a kit that was jelled
       and working as a team. And not one time did one or two birds
       break without 5 or 6 birds breaking with them. This was the best
       kit I ever judge when it came to "kit quality" Now he didn't
       have enough breaks to win the fly but it was a pleasure to judge
       a kit like this. I mean this is what I called the perfect kit to
       judge. I have never seen another kit like this in my life. This
       kit still is fresh in my mind like the old blurr hen of Joe
       Roes.
       
       Cliff
       judging should be a little different from judge to judge
       but not to the extreme. Like when we show our rabbits some
       judges puts more points on the fur quality over body type, go
       figure. Some think body type is more important than fur quality.
       Cliff as you know the weather plays a factor when it comes
       to judging. Like Blue check self on a nice blue sky day. Just
       like the rainy hazy days on the white flighted birds.
       I love judging because it allows me to get out and meet
       others that I chat with or talk to on sites like these. I like
       people to be around when I judge because that will give us a
       topic to discuss when the flying is done or while being judged.
       I know some judges don't like the fancier to be around when they
       judge. But I love the idea of them hearing what I call a break
       and what I don't.
       I will say this I was judging in Oregon a good friend of
       mine was judging when I was judging. And we both heard the
       fanicer said did you see that full break! I said there were no
       full breaks some birds were to short and some were just hovering
       in spot while a few were rolling. Now after each fly that day I
       asked him what did he score them. And he told me and I would
       show him the raw score and we were only off by 1 to 3 points.
       Now I have passed out a zero when the flier thought he had at
       least scored something.
       I will say this each and every fly should be fun and full
       of fellowship. Like riding with you and wendell on a fly. Where
       we laugh from house to house and enjoy each others company {Oh
       with a few text between each subject LOL} But thats what this is
       all about enjoying the day and making the most of if. Birds
       should come second LOL.
       Best of luck everyone may you have many rewards in the
       nestboxes and keep the best in the sky!
       Brian
       #Post#: 1528--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: Cliff Ball
       Date: October 20, 2010, 12:07 pm
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       Brian,
       I am with you 100% on the fun and fellowship. The flyers and
       their personalities/families, are what makes the NBRC  work. The
       birds are the glue that holds all our friendships together.
       Cliff
       #Post#: 3955--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: charles_b
       Date: January 16, 2011, 10:26 am
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       As a new member to this site I have been reading the older
       posts. The problems in judging style of the rollers is a problem
       all over the world. What I find interesting is that there are no
       photos of rollers in action, showing the position of the
       wings,tail, head etc. If we place photos each bird style can be
       discussed and all of us could learn something and work to
       getting a standard that is accepted as a good roll.
       #Post#: 3956--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: January 16, 2011, 10:32 am
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       Hey Charles, Have you ever tried to take a picture of a bird
       rolling. Even with the best quality camera or video it would not
       be easy, if even possible. If someone could though it would be
       of immense help.
       
       BTW Welcome!
       
       Take care
       Thom
       #Post#: 3958--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: charles_b
       Date: January 16, 2011, 2:13 pm
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       Thom
       I take them with video and extract slides from the film. Will
       give it a go.
       #Post#: 3963--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: oldfart
       Date: January 16, 2011, 4:01 pm
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       Charles, Good luck with the project. I will be interested to see
       the results.
       
       Take care my friend
       Thom
       #Post#: 3978--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Wing position
   DIR By: charles_b
       Date: January 17, 2011, 11:53 am
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       Now to figure out how to post pictures.
       
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