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Wing position
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 9, 2010, 7:27 pm
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Judging Standards [list]
[li]The bird must turn over backwards, spinning quickly like a
ball.[/li]
[li]The bird must fall vertically with the appearance of a
straight line from start to finish.[/li]
[li]The bird should finish cleanly and not tail ride or plate
roll at the end. [/li]
[li]Loose, Slow, Sloppy, and/or plate rollers should not be
scored. [/li]
[li]Birds that roll less than 10 ft. should not be scored.
[/li]
[li]The bird must roll from the kit and must return to the kit
before it can be scored again. If the bird rolls prior to
rejoining the kit it does not score and is considered an out
bird until it rejoins the kit.[/li]
[/list]
These are the rules from the NBRC home page for the 11 bird
comp. Can anyone show me how wing position on a bird that meets
all the above rules. Can cause the bird not to be scored.
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Re: Wing position
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 9, 2010, 7:37 pm
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No one junp down my throat because i'm not pointing fingers . I
would just like a reasonable explanation.
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Re: Wing position
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: October 9, 2010, 11:32 pm
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Do birds rolling with their wings out look like a spinning ball
? if the wings are out it's a cull .. why would a cull be
scored ?
( spinning quickly like a ball.)
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Re: Wing position
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 10, 2010, 7:54 am
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Yes, a bird rolling with it's wing out if it's fast enough does
look like a ball.( spinning quickly like a ball.) I think we all
agree that a axle roller is undesirable in our loft, but if it
is fast enough and gives the appearance of a ball which it can
according to were you are standing watching the kit, according
to the written rules and not personal opinion isnt it scorable?
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Re: Wing position
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: October 10, 2010, 10:11 am
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It isn't "my" opinion that they are culls.. it is universal
that they are culls.. seeing one is like finger nails scrapping
over a chaulk board... never will I nor many others score that
garbage... oh by the way.. as you know by now.. don't put them
in your kit this year either with this finals judge ;)
Ty... now why is it that you claim to like the 11 bird fly over
the 20 bird ?
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Re: Wing position
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 10, 2010, 10:28 am
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[quote author=MOTHERLODELOFTS link=topic=128.msg1208#msg1208
date=1286723465]
It isn't "my" opinion that they are culls.. it is universal
that they are culls.. seeing one is like finger nails scrapping
over a chaulk board... never will I nor many others score that
garbage... oh by the way.. as you know by now.. don't put them
in your kit this year either with this finals judge ;)
Ty... now why is it that you claim to like the 11 bird fly over
the 20 bird ?
[/quote]
Can you show me in a rule book were they are cull's or even in a
standard ?? If not then it is your opinion.. A standard must be
written and set in place for our competition. If there were no
speed limits and I was given a ticket for driving to fast
because it was thought to be universal not to kick up dust would
be the same concept.
Scott... I could care less if the birds are working together or
not.
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Re: Wing position
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 10, 2010, 10:50 am
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One other thought. Most people know I like high velocity birds,
so if I were a judge and I only scored the velocity I liked only
a handfull of familys would be scorable. Is this fair ? This is
almost going the way of the pedigree police. I guess we will
just call you the wing position athority, and call myself the
velocity athority and the two of us will write our own standard
and be unfair to every other competitor because of what we
personaly like, and we can get away with it also because of the
Integrity clause in the rules.Would that be fair?
Integrity The judge shall NOT score anything that does not meet
his standard for adequate quality and depth or duration of
performance. This competition is for ROLLERS and not tumblers!
Roller flying is a subjective sport and the judge may have to
make allowances for extraordinary circumstances. In any case,
the judge's decision is final and anyone verbally or physically
attacking the judge will be disqualified from the fly and may be
banned from future NBRC events.
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Re: Wing position
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: October 10, 2010, 11:29 am
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Ty.. fast axel wingers are nothing more than fast culls..
period... and that is why many won't score them.. they weren't
scored last year in the finals and it looks like they won't be
scored this year.. soooo you may just want to raise your
standard .. or just hope for weak judges... your choice bud :o
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Re: Wing position
By: BigShawn Date: October 10, 2010, 11:49 am
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So because the 2 of you have totaly different opinions as to
what is scorable in competition,why not have the judges
certified to one standard? That way they are the standard, and
they in turn will be the ones to certife other judges to be
tested against the #1 judge to withen say 5-10% of what he
judges a flyers kit. and have them recertife say every 3-4 years
because of the the evelotion of what the rollers are becoming.
Just a thought. Shawn
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Re: Wing position
By: michael salus Date: October 10, 2010, 12:01 pm
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I do know one thing about the judge... the score you get will
be earned and his integrity cannot be questioned!!!
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