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       #Post#: 12540--------------------------------------------------
       Roll downs
   DIR By: Jon
       Date: June 12, 2013, 11:53 am
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       Are roll down born or do they evolve over time. I have a
       holdover that was a very short (maybe 5ft) bird. The last time
       it flew I thought it hit a roof but wasn't sure. Today it fell
       approx 50ft and the street stopped him. He was ok and flew back
       up. I kept hearing about feed variations so I have been trying
       different methods. For the last 2-3 wks for 6 days I feed only
       Milo and the 7th day 12%. I seem to be getting a little more
       performance out of the birds with the current feed. I tried
       50/50 milo/wheet last year but could see no change. I haven't
       had any drastic changes in my other birds with this current
       feed. ???
       #Post#: 12541--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Roll downs
   DIR By: Darrin Stone
       Date: June 13, 2013, 11:27 am
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       Milo has little protien in it. Handle your birds and see if they
       feel light. I have a friend that was feeding lots of milo last
       year to his young birds and he rolled down over 30 % of them.
       This year he is useing less milo and is having less rolldowns.
       To answer your question i think a bird can be born to be a
       rolldown but you can also cause them by the amount of feed you
       give them and what you feed them. Did you notice how long they
       are flying now compared too what you were feeding before?
       #Post#: 12542--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Roll downs
   DIR By: raul carreiro
       Date: June 13, 2013, 4:33 pm
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       Jon,  Milo and wheat have very little difference in  protein %
       and I honestly dont think feeding milo or wheat, is  in this
       case the cause to this bird rolling down! IMHO  rolldowns  is a
       subject that you will get a million and one opinions on what is
       the cause!
       Funny thing is that you can breed from a roll down and get a
       stable bird, breed from a stable bird and get
       rolldowns.......... ....  Maybe the "pros" on here can give you
       the answer to what you are looking for.....  If I were you in
       the mean time I would suspect worms to be the cause LOL!
       #Post#: 12543--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Roll downs
   DIR By: donnie james
       Date: June 13, 2013, 6:04 pm
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       hay lestests,
       i tried wheat and milo a few years ago they had more spin to
       them on mix feed so when every i get kit of young birds going
       again i'm going to try this again......................donnie
       james
       #Post#: 12551--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Roll downs
   DIR By: slvrollers
       Date: June 16, 2013, 10:25 am
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       I have experienced three different kinds of roll down.
       First one is the young bird that is rolling singles or double
       roll and all of a sudden they are rolling deeper and faster.
       They don't have any control of this change in their rolling and
       roll down. Most of mine have learned to control the deeper
       faster rolling in time and stop rolling down.
       Second ones are birds that have been lock down for three or more
       days and come out of the kit box hot. Hot as in they are so
       excited to be let out of the kit box they start rolling to soon.
       Usually my birds are not effected by this and fly right away
       because they really did not get high enough in the air to hurt
       themselves bad.
       Third one is a mature bird that just keeps getting deeper and
       deeper and deeper till the hit the ground. They slowly develop
       into a roll down. My birds that have done this usually are the
       ones that never snap out of this behavior. They will always  be
       a roll down and is a true roll down to me.
       I'm sure other lofts have experienced many other things. This is
       what has happened to me and only my experiences.
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