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       #Post#: 12511--------------------------------------------------
       next logical question
   DIR By: Paul Conway
       Date: June 1, 2013, 8:30 am
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       Ok, based on some responses to my last post  many of you think
       that my beloved KC royals continue losing because of Ned Yost,
       not because  the Moose is not yet a major league hitter,
       Francour is no longer a major league hitter and nobody at second
       base appears to want to be a major league hitter- so 33% of
       their offense would not start for anyone else in the league, but
       it's the manager not the players that must  change ( gotta have
       a little fun at everything you do folks, from cuttin grass to
       postin on a message board)
       I'm not buyin entirely the role some of you are placing on
       the roller owner and not the rollers- as I said, I've got a lot
       to learn and the potential of my birds will be reached as I grow
       towards whatever my potential as a loft/bird manager is to
       become (see I am buying it a little).  I'll agree that view is
       based on ignorance and not experience. Which longwindedly leads
       to my question:  If you were to create a list of the mistakes
       AND postive steps a roller owner could take in the management of
       his birds, physical properties of his facilities and loft
       management that would have great impact both positive and
       negative on his loft and birds what advice would you
       give...................... I'll take short answers, but remember
       this is a message board, YOU came here, YOU have information WE
       newer folks could use-  type away.   I did just spend two and a
       half hours cleaning the hounds kennels so forgive how my free
       flow writing came out this morning.   regards, Paul Conway
       #Post#: 12512--------------------------------------------------
       Re: next logical question
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: June 1, 2013, 9:20 am
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       Hi Paul, the topic of management in general can fill a library.
       Bookstores have shelves of books on it. In my opinion the use of
       the word "management" is short for seeing and understanding the
       issues involved in getting what is necessary from the birds and
       what to do about it and then making it happen to make the hobby
       fun, satisfying and entertaining to boot.
       To use your analogy of baseball manager is not completely a good
       one in that the roller pigeon manager sees a bird that is not up
       to par and can eliminate it without asking anybody else. A
       baseball manager is stuck with the players the team signs. He
       answers to higher management.
       But I do understand your point.  ;D
       My short To Do list advice:
       1: Understand and be able to explain the aerial standard
  HTML http://www.roller-pigeon.com/articles/article/8406517/162645.htm
       2: Breed and fly birds that come as close as possible to this
       standard
       3: Do 1 and 2 above.
       My short Don't Do list
       1: Don't get distracted from your To Do List
       This is probably off from what you had in mind but its my .02
       cents. I am sure others will have specifics you desire.  ;)
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       Re: next logical question
   DIR By: donnie james
       Date: June 1, 2013, 11:06 am
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       hay tony,
       very good post i couldn't say it
       better...........................donnie james p.d. i'm send a
       money order out monday for laron book it looks like a good book
       i have to read it to see........................
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       Re: next logical question
   DIR By: Tony Chavarria
       Date: June 1, 2013, 11:40 am
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       Thanks Donnie!  :D
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       Re: next logical question
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: June 4, 2013, 9:07 am
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       Very well said Tony.  Here is my advises. LISTEN to all advise.
       Put to use what you think will best suit your birds.
       REMEMBER....what works for one, doesn't necessarily mean that it
       will work for YOU.  You have to pick and choose. Their is a lot
       of trail and error when managing birds.  Have a plan of
       attack.... Stick to you plan.... Don't get distracted... Stay
       focused.... and be PATIENCE... last but not least.....enjoy and
       have fun with your feathered friends...haha. This will be a
       learning experience for time to come. I have been flying pigeons
       for many many years and I learn things daily with the different
       breeds of birds that I manage.
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       Re: next logical question
   DIR By: michael salus
       Date: June 4, 2013, 4:06 pm
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       PATIENCE, PATIENCE, PATIENCE !!!!  That's as short as I can
       make it.  One other thing and I'm guilty of it, don't always
       think someone else has better birds than you because you read it
       somewhere. Your best birds will be the ones you breed after you
       establish your own family... hence PATIENCE !!
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       Re: next logical question
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: June 5, 2013, 3:19 pm
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       AMEN.... brother superior spinner   ;D
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