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#Post#: 12471--------------------------------------------------
condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: Paul Conway
Date: May 22, 2013, 4:30 pm
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discussion of well conditioned birds flying higher and perhaps
rolling less led me to this question. Soo as not to hijack that
thread I'll ask it here:
Some rollers will never have a quality roll, I understand that,
but how does the conditioning of a bird affect it's roll (from a
quality/technique standpoint)? Take an olympic diver for
instance- poor conditioned out of shape divers don't perform
dives of olympic quality and like anything else they try to peak
for thier competitions, but need to have hours and hours of
practice behind them to have the ability to peak at the ver high
level they are capable of achieving. I would think the better
conditioned a roller is the better his technique as well. No?
thanks all, Paul Conway
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: Keyser
Date: May 23, 2013, 1:51 am
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Good rollers sometimes is right out of the box. to see their
full potential may take up to 4? years And less than 4? months
good birds gets better with age not worse. The main ingredient
is putting your birds in the air every day. Or as often as you
can. It doesn't take much effort for me to get my Birmingham
roller to fly. I have Fireball ruby rollers and they are
becoming awesome. There is a lot of hype about raising good
rollers start with a good family that's all you need. Just my
opinion ;)
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: raul carreiro
Date: May 23, 2013, 5:42 am
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(There is a lot of hype about raising good rollers start with a
good family that's all you need. )
Yes Dale, that's why we all have world cup winning kits in our
lofts LOL!
(It doesn't take much effort for me to get my Birmingham roller
to fly.)
It doesn't take anyone any effort at all to get Birmingham
rollers to fly! They will fly on their own! Now get them all to
fly in a kit and all roll perfectly together consistently and
let us know how you are progressing...... I also disagree that
good birds only get better with age not worse, Good birds can
go bad Just my opinion....
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: 2y4life
Date: May 23, 2013, 8:42 am
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Paul, I am a novice and very inexperienced BUT when I was flying
my portable birds, I realized that with the particular birds I
was working with, the more feed I cut, the more the birds
performed. I was teetering with the feed like I had read and
heard from numerous flyers. I cut them back so much it got to
the point where 7 of the 8 birds bumped (rolled down to the
ground). That's when I handled the birds and they were nothing
but feathers. I rested them for a week, fed them up and while
their frequency went down, their fly time and strength went up
and they didn't bump/roll down anymore.
It is my belief through my personal experience that when some
rollers are fed too well and get flown too much, they become to
strong and will not roll as much.
I agree with Raul, getting rollers to fly is the easy
part...getting them to kit well, roll well, and roll
consistently is another story. All one has to do is visit other
lofts and see other birds and it won't be long before a person
realizes what they have and what they don't.
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: nephilim
Date: May 23, 2013, 2:45 pm
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Hey all.
I'm no champ flyer, but would like to be(wouldn't we all)
Like Raul said good birds can and do go bad. But it's not the
bird, but the flyer and the slightest of changes to his was
successful system. You could spend hundreds of dollars on birds
from a champion flyer, only for these spinning balls of feathers
to be sitting on buildings and not rolliing as much as they did
when you 1st watched them before taking them home. You only ever
get out what you put in, it's the same in every sporting event.
A horse wont win a race without training. TJ Vangarden couldn't
have won the recent tour of Cali, if he hadn't got out on his
bike and rode, and rode hard every or most days. There is ways
to tell if your birds are in good condition. Generally birds
yhat are fit and in good condition fly in a figure 8 pattern.
And if you visit a fancy pigeon show, look closely at the birds.
Those in peak condition will have what looks like tiny pimpels
on their wing feathers, and if you handle them wearing dark
clothes, you'll be coveted in powder or commonly called pigeon
bloom. These showmen obtain this WITHOUT flying the birds, all
done with a balenced diet of good quality corn and bathing the
birds. If your roller has a quality rolling gene in it's make
up, then with right approach you will achieve a good standared
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: donnie james
Date: May 23, 2013, 5:30 pm
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hay paul,
all it comes down is feeding you flying birds and the rest
donnie james
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: Paul Conway
Date: May 24, 2013, 4:56 pm
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Hi Folks, some good food for thought for sure
What I've learned is:'
1. flying your birds longer and longer and getting them stronger
and stronger isn't necessarily good, higher flying and less
roll, in general- but wouldn't we be working towards breeding
birds that fly strong and continue to roll? Is it as much a
quality issue or is it strictly a tried and true rule?
2. feeding can regulate the time in the air and facilitate birds
flying the desired time and rolling well the whole time
3. perhaps having your birds in top athletic condition isn't
what we are shooting for- we are looking for a balance where our
birds roll a bunch for the time we desire but are not too strong
as to decrease rolling and encourage high flying
What I haven't heard anyone explain is the notion of the
quality of the roll itself (technique wise) in relation to the
birds athletic condition. The birds athletic condition, muscle
memory, etc. etc have to be positively affect the technical
quality of the roll. No? If not, then what we are looking for
in the roll might not be what we should be looking for
technique-wise, if that makes sense.
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: raul carreiro
Date: May 24, 2013, 6:59 pm
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--- Quote from: Paul Conway link ---
>
>
> What I haven't heard anyone explain is the notion of the
quality of the roll itself (technique wise) in relation to the
birds athletic condition. The birds athletic condition, muscle
memory, etc. etc have to be positively affect the technical
quality of the roll. No? If not, then what we are looking for
in the roll might not be what we should be looking for
technique-wise, if that makes sense.
>
--- End Quote ---
Paul would you care to explain this to us please?
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: donnie james
Date: May 24, 2013, 8:13 pm
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hay paul,
sounds like you know what you're doing .........donnie james
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Re: condition of birds and roll quality
DIR By: Paul Conway
Date: May 25, 2013, 6:50 am
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Hi Donnie, I really am coming at this from ignorance- trying to
relate performance of a roller to performance of an athlete. I
have a small amount of experience with a group of rollers
several years ago from a fella getting out of rollers, but
didn't feel the birds I got were worth going forward with- I
don't think I would have passed them on to someone, but ended up
giving them to someone who wanted the lines this fella had years
ago- I have two pairs of rubys coming that I just purchased from
a fella who decided he was staying with homers and I will be
ordering some rubys directly from Tony in the near future. I
post my thoughts regardless of experience because any thoughts
that make people think about things is a good one. No problem
with folks relating thath they think what I'm thinking is wrong
or off base, just trying to learn. Donnie I do appreciate your
posts and others on her and have learned a lot from you and
others in my time here several years ago and my short time back
now. Paul
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