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In-Breeding
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 3, 2010, 12:21 pm
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I wanted to make a post on a conversation that Scott Cambell and
I had last year during the finals. I asked Scott about
inbreeding and he said he liked to do a test mating [brother to
sister] before pursuing a line. His reasoning behind the idea
was that if the mating could produce good birds. That there were
more good genes than bad genes in the birds and the line would
be worth pursuing. I liked his reasoning behind that. I guess
that's why he is a master flier.
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Re: In-Breeding
By: BigShawn Date: October 3, 2010, 12:23 pm
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That sounds good, but wouldnt it hide what was wrong to? Shawn
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Re: In-Breeding
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 3, 2010, 3:20 pm
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The way I understood it was it was to see if the faults were
stronger than the good genes being a even mating.
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Re: In-Breeding
By: MOTHERLODELOFTS Date: October 4, 2010, 3:10 pm
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Ty .. it is just one test of a line.. inbreeding just for the
sake of inbreeding without the proper selection of the two birds
used will take you no where.
Some families can't handle bringing the blood in tight.. some
fall apart while others get too strong..it is all about
selection,selection,selection.. and nothing else can play in .
The true test of a line is what is happening 5-10 years down the
line .. a line is the beginning of a developing family as it
will key around particular key birds.. this is why you don't see
particular families dominating... only individules to keep an
eye on due to their selection in the breeding loft.. although
some can also do ok by breeding sheer numbers also.
Scott
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Re: In-Breeding
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 4, 2010, 6:59 pm
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Scott, I understood what you were saying. I did a test mating
after you left of 449 [one of the cocks you liked] black w\f
,son of the blue check, to his full sister 400. Both of the
birds were the backbone of my 08 kit and have proven to be the
backbone of my stock loft this year. Well I raised one round,
the hawk got one and the other is a superstar in my A kit now. I
will not mate them together again but I can see were 883 will be
a usefull bird in the stock loft in the future.
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Re: In-Breeding
By: Jae Date: October 7, 2010, 2:31 am
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Interesting, I would agree with Scott Cambell also.
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Re: In-Breeding
By: Roller Man 70 Date: October 14, 2010, 5:15 pm
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Hey Brothers: The posts from every one are just great, But here
is just a little input on inbreeding that I have found through
the years- Inbreeding is the only way to get a pure family, look
at the cattle,Hog,and also Dogs. Purebred Dogs would not get to
be purebreds if it wasn't for intellegent inbreeding. They look
alike, act alike etc. Now, I'm going to hit Roller Men hard,
most of the roller men I know, and the ones in most of the
forums on this site will never have a family of purebred
rollers--We ship birds from the north to the south-east to the
west- west to the east and most of our familys are so out bred
that the gene pool is so large that nothing is going to work
reguarding a family that flys,rolls & acts alike--My hat is off
to Tony C. and men like Reed, Higgins, Jaconette who inbred and
have families that act, fly, roll etc. alike.. Sorry if I
ruffled someones feathers, But I got to tell it like it
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Re: In-Breeding
By: J_Star Date: October 14, 2010, 8:27 pm
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Roller Man 70, I hate to tell you that your logic is flawed.
Roller men are not breeding rollers to fan tails or homers to
come up with a cross and call them pure bred!! When you are
talking about dogs, people breed the same type of dog to another
and they will get the same. It all comes down to SELECTION. Even
with PURE family, if the selection is flawed, the result is a
PURE desaster.
They are breeding rollers to rollers from different fanciers.
That will widen the gene pool per-say. However, every successful
fancier that I know have devoid their family of birds from major
faults. So, if you mix their birds together and breed them, they
will produce youngsters of the combined familes that were
originally devoid of major faults....so where is the hangup!!
You know as I know that every family of birds and no matter how
PURE it is, still produce plenty of culls. If not, then
everybody would have not just one winning kit but dozens of them
and everybody will be winning the competitions.. .don't you
think? So, since you have only PURE family of rollers, can I ask
how many dozens of winning kits do you have (lol)?
Jay
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Re: In-Breeding
By: birdman Date: October 14, 2010, 9:11 pm
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Ty, why not breed them together for several rounds and see what
perecentages are A team quality?
Russ
[quote author=Ty Coleman link=topic=110.msg994#msg994
date=1286236798]
Scott, I understood what you were saying. I did a test mating
after you left of 449 [one of the cocks you liked] black w\f
,son of the blue check, to his full sister 400. Both of the
birds were the backbone of my 08 kit and have proven to be the
backbone of my stock loft this year. Well I raised one round,
the hawk got one and the other is a superstar in my A kit now. I
will not mate them together again but I can see were 883 will be
a usefull bird in the stock loft in the future.
[/quote]
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Re: In-Breeding
By: Ty Coleman Date: October 14, 2010, 9:50 pm
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Damn hawk picked him out of the kit today !!! 2 out of 11 gone
trying to fly in the finals !!!
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