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       #Post#: 12110--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
   DIR By: wishiwon2
       Date: January 6, 2013, 6:25 pm
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       --- Quote from: Roller lover link ---
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       > I am new to this, but what I am observing is that when the
       pairs are breeding noneof them is willing to go out and fly they
       are too protective of nest, mate and young. This would mean that
       breeding pairs cannot be evaluated for flight.
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       Yes, thats right Mark. Breeders in that process of raising young
       cannot be accurately evaluated in the air. When they are nesting
       and feeding young they are mentally distracted with tasks more
       important biologically. To be in prime performing condition,
       they shouldnt have defending a nest or young, feeding, pairing
       up, etc in their minds at all. It is a big detractor for birds
       in a kit to be pairing up even in the kit boxes.
       
       Most rollermen in todays time dont fly thier breeding stock
       birds once they have put them away, due to the risk of losing
       them to aerial predators. I fly in relatively safe skies and I
       always re-fly a selected stock bird at least once after being
       bred from, there are some here that have been from stock pen to
       kitbox and back multiple times. A good spinner should be able to
       come back to good rolling form within a couple of weeks after
       being laid off, either as breeder or a seasonl shut down.
       #Post#: 12112--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
   DIR By: samir
       Date: January 7, 2013, 1:18 am
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       I’ve read somewhere; it is questionable how domesticated animal
       pigeons really are?  Few years back, three young birds got lost,
       six weeks later I received phone call from a retirement home
       resident, couple blocks away.  He managed to catch one of them
       and get the phone number.  The reality is that those birds are
       fully equipped to mix with common pigeons and live out there.
       When I started pigeons, they were placed in boxes 12x12x20
       inches, hanged on the wall under the roof, and then they were
       moved into a shed attic.  It tuck years before first loft
       happened, and then attention was given to breeds, experience and
       learning, getting serious about, changing, growing from a
       fancier to a breeder.  I use to be happy to see eggs in the nest
       when peeked in those boxes.  Now my birds are mating with
       purpose and I’m the one who control the process.  Segregating
       birds is only one of many  tools the pigeon breeders are using.
       #Post#: 12113--------------------------------------------------
       Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
   DIR By: windjammer loft
       Date: January 7, 2013, 2:56 pm
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       dontillerino
  HTML http://www.rollerpigeon.com/index.php?action=profile;u=362....first<br
       />and foremost, I would listen to my "club members". If you
       haven't already learned, the more you a question from mulitpal
       pigeon raisers, the more different answers YOU will get. You
       have to remember what works for one, doesn't necessarily mean it
       will work for YOU...Lots of trial and error... And the more
       answers you get, sometimes the more confussed one can be....
       
       Roller lover... Most rollermen "won't" breed a bird until it has
       proven it self in the AIR... Another thing most rollermen won't
       fly a "Breeder".   I was told if you can't afford to lose a
       bird, don't fly it.  GOOD breeders are not to be LOST....
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       Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
   DIR By: Roller lover
       Date: January 9, 2013, 1:37 pm
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       Thank you good suggestion
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