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#Post#: 12079--------------------------------------------------
You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: dontillerino
Date: January 2, 2013, 8:20 pm
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Why do most guys break up there pairs every year? The birds rest
when they need to right? Ive seen hard working parent pigeons
rush out four rounds then rest for a couple weeks, then get
right back to it. Why must we break them up? My prior post shed
some light on this, ha!, maybe the pens are just too dark and
they wouldn't breed anyways. I would be bummed especially the
first time to ripped away from my mate and provided no younger
or tighter feathered hen for my liking, just a whole bunch of
other jerk cock birds ready to fight. I know pigeons aren't
people, but the pigeons like it better when they're paired up,
so much so they will do it even if its the same sex right? So
why do we break up our pairs, and more specifically why do you
do it?.... I don't btw I want numbers!
#Post#: 12081--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: slvrollers
Date: January 3, 2013, 1:51 am
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Their is several reason you might want to break your pairs up.
If your not breeding good rollers. If they are so so you might
want to try different pairings to have better rollers. I strive
for the best. What i like is fast spinning, deep rolling, lots
of form, kit well, will work as a team and so on. Now they don't
even go into the breeding room till they have proven them selves
to be worthy in the air. 18 to 24 months of air time. Unless in
need foster parents. You really don't have to split them up if
you are happy with the pairing and happy were your loft is going
in the future. The shorts days of winter will stop them from
breeding at some point as the days get longer they will start
breeding again. Breed your best to the best. I don't split them
unless i want to try a new pairing. I just pull the eggs if they
are breeding towards winter. I have not seen an egg for two
months. Good subject and good luck with your rollers!
#Post#: 12084--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: windjammer loft
Date: January 3, 2013, 6:38 am
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dontillerino
HTML http://www.rollerpigeon.com/index.php?action=profile;u=362
...
my thoughts are the same as Mike's. The only thing I would add
is I don't breed ANYTHING during the "moult"or during temps
under 35 degrees. Good luck
#Post#: 12091--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: dontillerino
Date: January 3, 2013, 10:54 pm
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Thanks guys, slv yep your right you always want the best pairs,
but i wasn't talking about setting pairs up. I was talking about
a time during the winter months when pairs are broken up and put
into separate cock and hen pens and breeding is stopped. Sounds
like both you guys don't practice this tradition. But I know
some guys do, I wanted the rational behind it. Is that the time
to medicate?, because I medicate only if I see something. Maybe
guys like to set up different pairs every season. Maybe guys
think the birds will rush to it after a long separation,
although I've seen more laggers than speedsters when it comes to
setting up any new pairs. Well thinking up the maybe guys
reasons behind breaking up pairs wont convince me to do it.
Although my pigeon buddies in real life keep getting in my ear.
#Post#: 12092--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: wishiwon2
Date: January 3, 2013, 11:23 pm
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I break mine up in the fall and pair em back in the spring.
There are several reasons I do it;
- It does give them a chance to rest and recover. They need more
than a couple of weeks to do this. they will not rest on their
own sufficient to avoid stresses tat lead to disease and poor
health
- I want them to be able to put all the nutrition and energy
into moulting in a new set of feathers. The will have to last
them a whole nother season and wan them to be and look good.
Moult is a huge tax on their system and if they're trying to
raise a clutch of young at the same time, something will give.
- I usually pair mine up with a new mate each season. By having
a few months seperate, it helps the new matings settle in
quickly
- I want my rounds of young 'timed' together. I pair up at the
same time and typically get most of my babies for the first 3
rounds within a week or so of one another in age. The later
rounds arent quite a synchronized. Most yrs my first round
hatches within 3 days of one another. They shur 'nuff rush to
it.
- I plan for how many young I need, and I dont want any more
than that. A baby hatched in Dec or Jan by an odd chance is
useless to me. 1) because its the only one its age/development
stage 2) its too cold to be trap training baby 3) a strong
possibilty it wont survive anyway, no need to waste the
opportunity of a good young roller being hatched
- I do medicate during this time, but it isnt necessary. I give
Canker treatments and wormer. I could do that during the
breeding season but this way is simple and convinient.
Im not trying to convince you to do it my way. Do what you want.
You asked the why? and I am telling you my reasoning. This way
works well for me. Over the years, I have let them breed longer
and it has cost me breeders.
#Post#: 12093--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: Roll Down
Date: January 3, 2013, 11:41 pm
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Hi dontillerino:
Just to add a bit to the other advise, there are several reasons
why the breeders are split and kept separate over the winter:
cold weather will give you low hatch rates and by continuously
letting them raise young ones all year long, your breeders will
soon stress out ( especially older stock birds ) and you will
find after a few rounds the young ones will not be as hardy and
will show poor feathering etc. Also it gives your breeders a
chance to go through the moult easier if they are not rearing
young and makes it easier to re mate them to other mates to get
half bro.s and half sisters for mating to each other when they
are ready for the stock pen.
Unless you have several fly pens, you will also be constantly
adding new young ones to your kit every round which sets them
back in their training etc.
I think most of us are of the opinion that it is better to raise
a few rounds ( using feeders if you want quantity ) but then
splitting them up and letting them rest, moult and get ready for
the next year.
George D.
#Post#: 12095--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: dontillerino
Date: January 4, 2013, 12:39 am
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Now you guys are firing off! I now have some useful information
to base an opinion around. Thanks so much wishiwon2 & rool down
#Post#: 12102--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: windjammer loft
Date: January 5, 2013, 1:12 pm
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After reading all the responces again, it seems like everyone
but "dontillerino" has the same mind set. All with primary
safety and concern of the birds..
But to each his own....
#Post#: 12104--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: dontillerino
Date: January 6, 2013, 2:55 am
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Whoa whoa whoa windjammer, concern for my birds is at the
utmost! That's why I'm going on a web forum devoted to the
birds, asking questions concerning them and how to benefit their
health. You never know, I might learn something, especially if
talk is continued and all the possible reasons (to break up
pairs every year) are revealed. My birds are in spectacular
condition, they take breaks when needed for moult, rest, cold
etc. I've already talked with my fellow local club members, and
a few of my old mentors and they when in a position to do so
broke up their pairs during winter. But, see and there is always
a butt (windjammer ha!), that's when a guy has a stock loft and
the amount of birds he raises each year is enough for him. Come
on down help me build a stock loft to break up pairs, if indeed
it is essential to the safety of the birds with which I am
concerned, deeply. I know on the other hand my birds are fine,
and when in a position where I can or must I will build a stock
cage. With 15 pairs I might have to build sooner than later! So
don't be a butt bro! Are you trying to discourage me from
posting? It should be obvious with the posting I've been doing
I'm deeply into birds and concerned for them. I wanted round
table discussion with a lot of opinions being thrown out (kinda
like the old roller-pigeon.com stuff). Well maybe this isn't the
forum for that stuff any more. I should just stick with my local
club buddies, and the two generations of rollermen in my family
for advice... oh no wait that is what I already do, I just
wanted to add EXTRA pigeons in my life via cpu... like I need
any more. I told my girl i was gonna just go out and feed 'real
quick' the other day, when I came back in she was pissed.
Apparently real quick is not three hours! Maybe you misread and
you are not a butt if so sorry.
#Post#: 12107--------------------------------------------------
Re: You break up your pairs every year? Why?
DIR By: Roller lover
Date: January 6, 2013, 5:42 am
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I am new to this, but what I am observing is that when the pairs
are breeding noneof them is willing to go out and fly they are
too protective of nest, mate and young. This would mean that
breeding pairs cannot be evaluated for flight.
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