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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: raul carreiro Date: September 28, 2012, 8:34 am
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Hello Mathieu,
Pensom has both his admirers and detractors. Some say that he
was the best roller man of his time or ever! Well I certainly
respect the man and his contrbutions to the breed and hobby, but
I would not go as far as saying he was the best.I too have
Pensoms book, its quite good for its time. The book by David
Kolwalski True Spinning Rollers 2, is in my oppinnion a far
superior writing. Like you I too have to order any books from
the USA. Ive heard some really good things about the Ollie
Harris line of birds. How do you find yours? South Africa seems
to be a hot spot for rollers, the breeders and fliers there are
very competive, and from what Ive heard the birds there are very
good!
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: Mathieu Date: September 28, 2012, 11:03 am
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Hi Raul,
Thanks for that. I agree there is no "god given truth"when it
comes to rollers. As the breed evolves and the sport becomes
more popular and the breeders more scientific we will have more
helpful information. I will try and source the books you have
mentioned.
The Ollie Harris birds are very bright and take time to spin but
when they do, they always leave me speechless. I have his silver
strain they are beautiful birds. My favourite birds are my Ken
White birds they perform well most of the time. As far as my
birds(my own concoction) are concerned I am becoming happier
with them as time goes on.
I fly my birds six days a week, they like to fly from fifty to
sixty minutes and some times more.
I sometimes feel disappointed with breeders when they say who is
the utmost authority on the breed, I feel that we all have
something to contribute. I have seen great kits fly on you tube
from the States, Holland, Britain, South Africa etc, so no need
for people to say who has the greatest birds. In my opinion
everyone who is a roller breeder has the greatest birds for
himself ;D
Any way thanks for the reply. P.S if you are not fro the States
then where from if I am not being too bold to ask.
best regards
Mathieu
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: raul carreiro Date: September 28, 2012, 11:34 am
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Hi mathieu,
I like your attitude on the thoughts of others! Its a pleasure
talking with you about our hobby! If you need any books go
toFoy's Pet Supplies - Prodcut Catalog
HTML http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/foyscatalog.htmlo
Im sure
they will ship any book you want to you. I am from Bermuda, its
a small British Territory Island in the North Atlantic. At the
moment its only myself and a freind who breed and fly rollers
LOL! Ive only been in the hobby of Birmingham Rollers for 4
years, and have just been giving a serious go at it for the last
2 years. I fly 2 strains Tonys Rubys and Bob Brown based birds.
I am concentrating more on the Rubys at this time as I like
their type and performance. I also breed and show Norwich
Croppers and Type canaries. By the way South African Norwich
Croppers are some of the finest in the world! Anyway Ill not
take up to much space on the forum here about myself, as the
topic is about Inbreeding rollers LOL! please feel free to
email me if you wish to talk more, My email is
raulcarreiro@yahoo.com
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: raul carreiro Date: September 28, 2012, 12:13 pm
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[quote author=LittleJohn link=topic=1027.msg11675#msg11675
date=1348755427]
I agree!
To your last question, I believe that the only way to maintain
consistency in the F1 generation is to maintain inbred families
that you can use to create your flyers. JMO
LittleJohn
[/quote]
Thanks for the advice.
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: Mathieu Date: September 28, 2012, 1:13 pm
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Thanks Raul,
I will look up the website today. Keeping to our topic, I like
Tony's Ruby Birds I have seen pictures on the net.
I try to breed my birds small and compact with and "apple" chest
they seem to spin faster. I have some pictures of the birds I
have bred on my images.
Anyway I love my birds, I love the way they look I love the way
they fly, and I love their intelligence. Every morning when I go
to the loft they start flaping their wings and get restless
because they know they will fly, and when they do they take my
breath away.
I know that my birds are inbred with the best that I have and it
seems to work for me.
P.S I also have other flying breeds such as Dewlap Adanas and
Polish High Flyers....but that is another story... :D My
Birmingham Rollers are and will always be my favourite birds.
#Post#: 11690--------------------------------------------------
Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: dog doc Date: September 28, 2012, 3:00 pm
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raul,
I agree with you 100% about outcrossing the f1 generation for
performance ;although my experience is more with competition
bird dogs than with rollers,I feel the genetics are basically
the same.I have made several champions from f1 outcrosses ,but
they will rarely breed on.You must go back to your inbreed line
to get any kind of consistent reproduction. when inbreeding
rollers over a period of time, do you guys not worry about " The
drag of the race" ?
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: dog doc Date: September 28, 2012, 4:12 pm
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sorry .I mis-spoke in that last post. "drag of the race" is
obviously associated with random breeding. I was referring to a
lack of vigor in long term inbreeding.
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: LittleJohn Date: September 28, 2012, 8:42 pm
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You will absolutely get lack of vigor in your inbred families.
Your inbred families are not intended to have the vigor of an
F1 cross, nor can they. The F1 cross will have the vigor,
because they are a cross...thats the whole reason that you cross
is to bring that back....knowing what you have in each of your
inbred families.
LittleJohn
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: Mathieu Date: September 29, 2012, 12:23 am
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Hi Guys,
Thats why I keep two strains and keep them pure and then breed
them together to create my own strain F1. I have also inbred my
F1's and they perform well.
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Re: Inbreeding Birmingham Rollers
By: dog doc Date: September 29, 2012, 8:24 am
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a single outcross, that is well planned,can also do wonders for
a tired inbred line
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