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Rolling in loft
By: Dazzlin Date: September 19, 2012, 4:25 pm
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I just want to know why do some rollers roll inside the loft? Is
there any reason why they do it?
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: raul carreiro Date: September 19, 2012, 5:37 pm
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I think some birds have to much impulse for the roll and are
unable to control the roll. These birds more than likely are
roll downs!
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: wishiwon2 Date: September 21, 2012, 12:11 pm
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I dont know 'why' they do it, in the loft or in the sky. I
suspect the same twitch impulse exists all the time within them.
I have had several that wold do single, even a few flips in the
loft when flying down to feed. These were birds flown for
several seasons and were NOT roll downs. But I agree they had
short triggers and would be considered by some as 'hot'.
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: raul carreiro Date: September 21, 2012, 4:20 pm
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Wishiwon I agree, short triggered birds can be considered as
"hot" Birds. In your case these birds flown for a few seasons
will in time to time roll in any circumstance. But lets not
confuse birds that have the tendency to roll prematurely even
from the perch to floor as nothing more than "hot" birds. These
types of birds in my opinion are birds that lack the ability
and the timing to control the urge to roll! Lets face it we are
breeding these birds to perpetuate a fault in their genetic make
up!!This topic could go on and on as far as the why and why not!
Of course this is just my own opinion on the subject.
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: Sound Rollers Date: September 22, 2012, 7:12 am
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My oldest hen rolled in the loft the other day, she bounced
right in front of the feeder. Funny thing is; i have never flown
her. That's hot!
John
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: raul carreiro Date: September 22, 2012, 5:57 pm
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[quote author=Sound Rollers link=topic=1024.msg11649#msg11649
date=1348315924]
My oldest hen rolled in the loft the other day, she bounced
right in front of the feeder. Funny thing is; i have never flown
her. That's hot!
John
[/quote]
Sound Rollers you crack me up ;D That bird is not hot! Its deep
fried :D On a serious note most questions that are asked here
are by those who have little to no knowledge on the breed
(persons like me) including those who lack the "basics" of
genetics and breeding of anything warm blooded! Very rarely will
you have the "pros" in this breed of pigeon divulge there
knowledge to the uninformed! And when they do download any info
to those who wish to learn, I guarantee that it is mix of fact
and fiction!! Its almost like sifting for gold!! Like any
endeavor in life the difference between success and failure is
to follow no ones idea but rather to create your own !!
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: wishiwon2 Date: September 22, 2012, 8:00 pm
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[quote author=raul carreiro link=topic=1024.msg11648#msg11648
date=1348262452]
Wishiwon I agree, short triggered birds can be considered as
"hot" Birds. ... These types of birds in my opinion are birds
that lack the ability and the timing to control the urge to
roll! Lets face it we are breeding these birds to perpetuate a
fault in their genetic make up!![/quote]Raul my point was that
flipping or rolling in the loft, does not automatically
categorize a bird as a rolldown. As evidence, I have owned some
that did not roll down but would occasionally roll inside the
loft.
As far as it (rolling in loft) being a trait that indicates a
birds ability to time its roll or perform as a contribution to a
top kit, I disagree. Based on the same experience of having
owned some. Birds at my loft dont make the A-kit unless they
contribute to not distract from a "team perfromance". Birds dont
make it to my stock pens unless they have spent some time in my
A-teams.
I have not seen any connection between flipping in the loft and
instability or lack of control. It may very well exist, but I
have not noted it. Like tail riding, it doesnt correlate to the
eventual depth or quality of the mature performer. Its just part
of the package.
I have noticed something the opposite. Rollers react to goings
on around them. To facilitate bigger breaks, I have chosen for
birds that 'go when the team goes'. I believe this loft
flipping, is a sign of sensitivity to stimuli from other pigeons
around it. It (loft flipping) is not a trait I look for or place
any level of importance on. I would not see it in any birds here
unless they were in stock sections of my loft, because they are
otherwise only in a kit box.
An experiment would be to collect a whole set of roll downs or
overly frequent birds, put them in a pen, and measure whether
the incident of loft flipping exceeded any other sets of birds.
I hypothesize it would not.
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Re: Rolling in loft
By: raul carreiro Date: September 23, 2012, 6:14 am
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Wishiwon, I certainly respect and understand what you are saying
here! I am only sharing what I have "personally" experienced
with my own birds. I fly 2 strains Rubys and Bob brown based
birds, I have never had any Rubys roll in the loft nor have I
yet bred any roll downs from the Rubys, this is not to say that
in the future I may or may not see this behavior in them.. The
birds that i have seen do this are out of the Bob brown based
birds, and I can say that all of the birds that rolled in the
loft eventually became roll downs over time, again I am only
saying this based on my personal observations with the 2 lines
that I fly. In the short time that I have been involved with
rollers the Rubys tend to develop the roll at a slower pace,
have more control on when and when not to roll, and generally
develop into good medium to deep but stable rollers! I have also
found the Rubys reach their peak rolling ability at about 2
years. The Bob Brown Birds however develop at an early age
3-6months, they tend to have a very fast and inconsistent
trigger response. Any birds that show this rolling tendency in
the loft become roll-downs within the 3-4month age bracket. The
rest of the birds in this line that have reached the 6months
age, and do not have the tendency to roll in the loft or as soon
as they are released to fly, develop into good stable birds. I
have also noticed that unlike the Rubys they do not become
better with age. In my experience the Bob Brown birds are good
as a young bird kit but not as hold over birds! Like you I too
cannot answer why or why not they tend to do this, and I only
share what I have observed with my own birds.
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