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Steroid Crashing Information
By: Road2HardCoreIron Date: September 2, 2024, 8:05 pm
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mycustomprotein
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This is a very good question, one that confounds and confuses
many. There are many incorrect myths as to what the direct cause
of Post Inject Pain (PIP) is, so allow me to shine some light on
the subject. As a disclaimer, there are a few other things that
pain at the injection site could be, but I will focus primarily
on the concept of Post Inject Pain, and what people are most
commonly referring to when they feel PIP. Post injection Pain is
an immune response caused unnecessarily by a pathogen, in this
case, the pathogen is the crystalized steroid compound in your
muscle. I will clarify and put this in an easy to understand
fashion.
Most people who use AAS know that some steroids have a tendency
to crash, or crystalize out of solution, or the liquid that they
are in. You will see crystals or sediment forming at the bottom
of the vial. Testosterone propionate, t400, boldenone cypionate
are the most common and notorious products that crash rather
easily. Compounds crash because they supersaturated with
hormone, and the hormone cannot stay dissolved in the solution,
so it starts solidifying, or crashing, in the vial. High dosed
products tend to crash more easily, because they are so full of
the hormone that it can barely be dissolved in the liquid oil
base. Test prop can crash even at 100mg, because the chemical
structure of test prop does makes it not readily bond in
solution, and it doesn't dissolve that well in the liquid. When
you inject these oil based compounds into your muscle, they
quickly begin to separate and break down. Higher dosed products,
or supersaturated products such as t400, prop, or bold cyp that
can barely dissolve in the liquid, will crash and crystalize
right in your muscle. This forces your body into an immune
response, to attack the newly formed foreign body in your muscle
cause redness, swelling, and pain to the touch. It is not and
infection like some people think, but your body's response to a
pathogen, or foreign body in your muscle. This concept of your
body attacking a superfluous amount of hormone in your body at
once also causes test flu. You can get flu like symptoms, run
down, unambitious, and feverish from this as well.
I have seen a lot of people call gear garbage and dirty because
it causes PIP, when ironically it is quite the opposite. PIP is
an indication that it has so much hormone in it that it can't be
contained in solution. Bacterial infections are actually hard to
get with oil based products, because oil is abiotic, and
bacteria can not live in oil. This being said, The last thing I
want is people running around with untreated infections because
I stated this fact. Although rare, you can get an actual
bacteria infection from gear made in very poor conditions with
no regard for sterility, as well as bacteria can form on needles
and the tops of the rubber stoppers. When you gain experience,
it is easier to distinguish typical PIP from an infection or
something else. It is important that if you are really in pain,
and the swelling is too much and you think there is something
more than PIP, there is no shame in going to a doctor. Tell the
doctor exactly what you did, they are bound by the hippocratic
oath and cannot disclose to anyone the reason for your visit.
The problem with a doctor looking at it is, when he sees the
symptoms of an infection, they take blood and check your white
cell count. If it is elevated they call it an infection and give
you antibiotics. Any pathogen causes a white cell count
increase, even the crystallized hormone in your muscle causing
the PIP increases your white cell count. Antibiotics do nothing
for PIP, but the doctor will give them to you anyway. Better
safe than sorry. I worked in an emergency room and saw a few
times people come in I knew just had really bad PIP. The Doctors
were baffled that the antibiotics they gave weren't working for
this infection, and in a few days it just subsided on its own.
The whole time I knew it was just PIP, and there was no
bacterial infection for the antibiotics to cure.
Some people think that PIP is maybe caused by the way they
inserted the needle during injection. That is not a cause of
PIP, you would really need to wrench the needle around in there
to cause any harm to yourself, it is actually hard to do. If you
pierce directly through a vein, it may be cause for a little
soreness, but it is decidedly different from PIP.
PIP is more common with UGL gear only because it is dosed
higher. The higher doses lead to crystallization in the muscle,
which is the cause of PIP. Let's come up with some ways to
ameliorate the PIP, because it can get annoying and it is so
much better assuage the impending pain from bad Post Injection
Pain:
- dilute the painful compound with another less painful
compound. IF you are taking a painful T-400, and you are also
taking deca, or EQ, tren, or something not known to be painful,
mix the two in the same syringe. This will dilute the painful
product making it less apt to crystallize in your muscle, hence,
causing less post injection pain.
- If you are just taking t400, and you can't dilute, but the PIP
is too much, try taking less volume at once, with more frequent
injections. So, if you are taking 1ml of t400 every 4 days, try
taking .5ml every two days instead. Taking a lower dose at a
time will also help with PIP.
- This method is best if all else fails, and has worked in every
case I have seen. Mix in grape seed oil in the syringe with the
painful product at a 1:1 ratio. If you are taking 1ml of t400
and it hurts too much, mix in 1ml of grape seed oil into the
syringe with the t400. This will dilute the t400, making it much
less apt to crystalize in your muscle, and will almost eliminate
the Post Injection Pain
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