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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: November 3, 2014, 10:23 pm
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The HYDROPLATE THEORY
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: November 4, 2014, 1:06 am
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: February 27, 2015, 2:00 pm
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[center][size=18pt][b]The Chandelier Drive Thru Sequoia Tree is
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It is still alive 🌞, despite the hole STUPIDLY cut
through this majestic life form.
[center][font=times new roman][b]ABSOLUTE DATING MEHTODS
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Also known as chronometric dating
1.Until c.1900, all dating depended on historical methods
i.e. connections with chronologies and calendars established by
people in written documents
Chronologies
◦Romans dated in terms of Consuls and Emperors and AUC
◦Greeks reckoned from Olympic Games, started in 776BC
◦Egyptians reckoned in terms of successive Kings and
Dynasties
Calendars
◦E.g. Mayan calendar, giving great precision for Classics
Period (AD 300 - 900)
2. Historical chronology is easy to use, when lots of artefacts
are found related to it, often carrying the date on them e.g.
coins
3. To date a coin or any artefact is not the same thing as to
date the context in which it is found
◦Date of coin = year it was made
◦(sealed) deposit can be no earlier than date on the coin
but could be later
◦coin gives a TERMINUS POST QUEM = a date after which the
deposit may have been lain down
4. Cross Dating
◦The use of exports and imports to extend chronological
linkages
◦E.g. Aegean pottery turning up in a well-dated Egyptian
context
◦Gives a TERMINUS ANTE QUEM = a date before which the
deposit may have been lain down
◦Or Egyptian objects turning up on Aegean sites
◦Still only a rough guide to absolute dating; nowadays
superseded by scientifically based methods
Tree Ring Dating - Dendrochronology
◦Used in Europe since 1930s
◦Computerised since 1960s
Uses
1. To calibrate or correct radiocarbon dates
[i]Agelbert NOTE: It is now being used to calibrate ice core
dates too.
[b]The mystery of the offset chronologies: Tree rings and the
volcanic record of the 1st millennium
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2. An independent dating method in its own right [/b]
3. Its precision can document the founding, expansion and usage
of a settlement
Method
1. New ring of wood produced each year
2. Thickness varies with · fluctuations in climate · age of the
tree (rings become narrower with increasing age)
3. Trees of same species, from same area show same pattern of
rings, \ · growth sequence can be matched between successively
older timbers to build up a chronology for an area
4. Not necessary to cut tree down - a sample can be bored
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5. Match sequence of growth rings in living and old timbers to
give chronology for several thousands of years
6. A tree ring sequence of e.g. 100 years is matched with 100
year sequence in master sequence - to give felling date of that
timber to within one year
7.Long Master Sequences have been established, against which to
check and calibrate radiocarbon dates
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Limitations of Dendrochronology
◾Not a worldwide method of dating because it cannot be
applied to the tropics where there are no clearly defined annual
rings
◾It is restricted to wood for which there is a master
sequence - some local chronologies remain "floating" i.e. cannot
be tied into a master sequence
◾The date found is the date of felling , not the date when
it became part of any structure, so it may be earlier or later
than the structure of which it is a part
Radiocarbon Dating
1. ◦The work of Willard Libby, in 1949
◦Single most important method of dating for last 50,000
years
◦Has inaccuracies, sometimes caused by archaeologist
Theory:
Cosmic radiation bombards atmosphere
Creates high energy neutrons
neutrons react with nitrogen in the atmosphere
Creates radiocarbon i.e. carbon14 isotope which is unstable (has
8 neutrons in nucleus, not regular 12 of carbon12)
radioactive decay at known rate: 5568 years = 1/2 the carbon14
in any sample to decay
◦So, compare the "constant" background radiation level
(flawed because it is variable over time) with sample to be
dated
◦Background radiation: 75 disintegrations per minute
◦Sample: 371/2 disintegrations gives age of 5730 years
◦Calculate the age of dead plant or animal by how much
radiocarbon is left in the sample
◦Samples may be of charcoal, wood, seeds, human or animal
bones
Disintegration: each atom decays by releasing beta particles,
emissions are counted by a Geiger counter
2. Uncertainty of measurement
◦Counting of emissions is open to error
◦Background atmospheric radiation varies in its
concentration of 14C due to change in the Earth's magnetic field
3. Accelerator Mass Spectometry
◦Since 1980s, special gas counters, take very small
samples
◦Counts 14C atoms directly, disregarding their
radioactivity
4. Calibration of Radiocarbon dates
◦Needed, to account for variation in concentration of 14C
due to change in the Earth's magnetic field
◦Tree ring dating corrects this
◦Shows radiocarbon dates before 100BC are[i] increasingly
too young
[/i]◦Pushing back of these dates = "Second Radiocarbon
Revolution" :o
Agelbert NOTE: Please take the above (including the scientific
community ass-u-me type assumption that the corrected dates MUST
be older - LOL!) into account when some "science" article claims
the sample is "irrefutably" dated by carbon-14. [img width=40
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Potassium - Argon Dating
•works on the principle of radioactive decay
•Potassium is abundant throughout minerals in the Earth's crust
K-AR method
•Used by geologists to date rocks hundreds/thousands/millions of
years old
•Therefore, appropriate for dating early human sites (up to 5
million years old, especially E. African)
•Technique is restricted to volcanic rock no more recent than
100,000yrs
•Based on radioactive decay
Radioactive isotope
decays to inert gas
Decay rate;
Half life = c. 1.3 billion year
◾A measure of the quantity of argon40 trapped within 10gr
rock sample gives an estimate of the date of the rock's
formation
◾ The less of argon40 there is, the more recent was the
formation of the material involved.
Limiting factors ◾Error estimate can be as much as 30,000
years (but still only 2% of the total age…)
◾Can only be used to date sites buried by volcanic rock
◾Can also use pumice in laser-fusion argon-argon dating
◾More sensitive and needs smaller sample
◾Has been used on Vesuvius
Thermoluminescence - TL clock
•One of 3 methods depending on amount of radiation received by
the specimen to date, NOT the radiation emitted by it
•Only used for dating crystalline materials (minerals)
•Analyses behaviour of electrons within a crystal when exposed
to radiation
•They absorb energy and become trapped in lattice defects
•Can date POTTERY (unlike radiocarbon)-the most abundant
inorganic material on archaeological site of last 10,00 years
•But poorer precision than radiocarbon
POT
•Made of clay, containing "high" level of radiation
•Loses it when fired
•TL clock set to zero
• Starts to build up again when in use and then buried
•Artificially fired in laboratory to measure light radiation
emissions
Obsidian Hydration
•Depends on the decay of a substance
•Based on measurement of microscopically thin layer which forms
on the surface of Obsidian
•(natural volcanic glass, popular alternative to flint for
manufacture of flaked tools)
Layer
•Formed by absorption of water
•Starts as soon as fresh surface is exposed
•But does not form at constant rate and is especially sensitive
to changes in temperature
•May weather at different rates in different geological sources
•Can only be considered a relative dating technique
◾ (like dating of bone)
•can be used to check contemporaneity of artefacts from same
deposit, as a check for modern forgeries.
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: April 13, 2017, 8:47 pm
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[quote author=Eddie link=topic=9355.msg129299#msg129299
date=1492130292]
[quote author=agelbert link=topic=9355.msg129269#msg129269
date=1492110458]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=9355.msg129266#msg129266
date=1492109362]
I really wish I knew the real story. Douglas Adams writes very
much in the style of C.S. Lewis, and having read and enjoyed
both of them, I have to wonder how that happened. If you know
much about C.S. Lewis the man, you might agree that there seems
to be a whole lot of irony there.
Since they're both dead now, I'm not sure who to ask.
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If you really want to know how C. S. Lewis thought, you need to
properly understand and interpret what he meant when one of his
characters in the Chronicles of Narnia said the following:
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Thank you AG. I found this, which seems to shed some light on
Lewis's deepest beliefs.
In The Last Battle, C.S. Lewis brings his Narnian tale to an
end. The forces of good and evil come to a head, and Aslan
ushers in the end of Narnia and the beginning of eternity.
Toward the end of the book, the old Narnia has ended and the
faithful have entered through a magical door into Aslan’s land.
As they explore this new world, they notice that it looks a lot
like the old Narnia, just better—richer, purer, more real,
untainted by evil, eternal.
And Lord Digory, who had been present during the creation of
Narnia (another wonderful tale found in The Magician’s Nephew),
blurts out:
It’s all in Plato, all in Plato: bless me, what do they teach
them at these schools!
Granted, Lewis is writing fiction here, but what deeper truth
about eternity is he pointing to? I think it is this. When this
age has passed, and God redeems and restores all of creation,
the faithful will finally experience life the way it is supposed
to be. In a sense, our experience will seem more real, because
it will be untainted by sin and misery. In eternity, the
faithful will experience intimacy with God and harmony with each
other as we worship, serve, and explore for eternity the new
heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1).
This is the great hope of Christianity—that this world is not
the end of the story for those who know Christ, rather it is
just the beginning. Lewis ends the book with this:
. . . it was only the beginning of the real story. All their
life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only
been the cover and the title page: now at last they were
beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth
has read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is
better than the one before.
He believed that heaven was just like earth, but harmonious,
perfected and infinitely sustainable through the power of God.
Earth as it should be, if humans weren't always screwing it up.
I can see the attraction to that kind of mythos. Highly
intelligent people are more aware of how screwed up the world
is, and they need to find a way to make sense of it. It must
have been very comforting to have this faith that all the bad
stuff would be fixed.
Just like it's very easy for doomers to get very depressed these
days, as we watch civilization start to come apart at the seams.
Most of us need something to give us some comfort. I take
comfort in believing that each of us is on a journey of learning
and spiritually maturing and developing through many lifetimes,
and that we aren't under pressure to get everything worked out
in this one.
Not to get too far off into any kind of potential argument.
thank you for the reference. I enjoyed the lesson.
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You are most welcome. And thank you for your research. C. S.
Lewis rocks!
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: April 13, 2017, 9:01 pm
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[move] Free audiobook "Chronicles of Narnia" by C.S.
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: July 4, 2017, 4:16 pm
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[center]Our Created Solar System - What You Aren't Being
Told[/center]
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What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy Volume 1
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Did You Know...
The best evolutionary models say that many of the planets in our
solar system should not exist. Yet there they are. ;D
Did God create our Solar System less than 10,000 years ago, as
the Bible says? Or did it form all by itself from a cloud of gas
4,600,000,000 years ago, as secular astronomers claim? Which
account of history is true? ???
Recent discoveries in space has supported the Biblical account.
Each planet in our Solar System defies the evolutionary model in
multiple ways.
Many of the planets and moons appear to be young, not billions
of years old. Plus, these objects show evidence of design, not
random processes.
In this video, you will tour our magnificent Solar System, and
explore these wonders in the heavens. Along the way, you will
visit each of the planets and many of their moons, through more
than 230 breath-taking photographs and graphics from NASA and
other sources. [font=times new roman]You will see how each
planet uniquely testifies of its Creator. [/font]
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: July 6, 2017, 1:04 pm
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[center]From a discussion of ego on another forum[/center]
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date=1499360318]
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date=1499350658]
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date=1499343378]
[quote author=RE link=topic=9905.msg134339#msg134339
date=1499342542]
Why do so many Diners seem to place such a high value on
"egolessness"? ??? :icon_scratch: Does being egoless somehow
make you a better person than someone who has an ego? Are you
closer to perfection as a Homo Sap if you are egoless?
Moreover, WHY would you WANT to be egoless? That's like wanting
to go outside not wearing your underwear. I certainly would not
want to live in a world full of egoless people. What would you
talk with them about?
RE
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Probably because every single problem or predicament faced by
humanity can be traced back to our pride and ego (using the word
to mean "a person's sense of self-importance"). If you want to
solve the problems you have to deal with their roots.
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Ego certainly provides for "a person's sense of
self-importance," but it is more then just that. I would say
that ego is like the mental body. It is made very real by the
mistake we make of allowing it to be real, to be taken
seriously.
However, it's also a necessary thing to have if you are going to
be of the world. If you are going to renounce the world, and
live in a monastery, or in a cave in the wilderness, then you no
longer need an ego. In fact, going to a monastery is very much
about giving yourself the ability to live without ego. At least
as close to that state as you can get.
What is personality if not the things our ego has attached to
and made into self? Our preferences and distastes are all made
possible by the process of attachment. Which is why, in
Buddhist philosophy, attachment is the fundamental problem.
It's the root cause of all suffering. It's akin to the concept
of original sin in Christianity. To not be attached to anything
is to be egoless. That includes opinions and preferences. I'm
not the Buddhist monk on the Diner though...Knarf is, and I'm
glad he's still here. I have much respect for his way of life.
I got distracted on my way to fetch the water. :laugh:
[/quote]
Well if we make the "ego" equivalent to our identity as personal
beings and the sense of selfhood, then I would agree with RE
that there's nothing wrong with ego. I don't believe the world
is something to be detached from, but rather something to be
revered, maintained and taken in with gracious hearts. To do
this, we must have opinions and make judgments on ourselves and
others.
In most Christian theology our selfhood is real and important,
but our fundamental sin is thinking and behaving in a way that
places more importance on one's own self than on God or other
"selfs". There is no way to avoid this completely in a fallen
state, but we should certainly recognize it and do what we can
to tip the scales.
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[quote author=Uncle Bob link=topic=9905.msg134362#msg134362
date=1499360738]
DW, The only entropy a human can undergo is decomposing after
death.
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preservation. The neurological state of meditation is slow wave
activity. The mechanism is your whole parasympathetic nervous
system. The mechanism for thinking is your brain.
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That it
is the same thing used for ego is similar to the fact that the
same hand can build things or break
things.
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[font=times new roman]1 Corinthians 1 Easy-to-Read Version
(ERV)[/font]
[quote][font=times new roman]18 The teaching about the cross
seems foolish to those who are lost. But to us who are being
saved it is the power of God.
19 As the Scriptures say, “I will destroy the wisdom of the
wise. I will confuse the understanding of the intelligent.”
20 So what does this say about the philosopher, the law expert,
or anyone in this world who is skilled in making clever
arguments? God has made the wisdom of the world look foolish.
21 This is what God in his wisdom decided: Since the world did
not find him through its own wisdom, he used the message that
sounds foolish to save those who believe it.
22 The Jews ask for miraculous signs, and the Greeks want
wisdom. 23 But this is the message we tell everyone: Christ was
killed on a cross. This message is a problem for Jews, and to
other people it is nonsense. [/font][/quote]
Agelbert NOTE: There sure are a lot of "Greeks" at the above
forum. :(
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: July 21, 2017, 12:25 pm
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[move][font=courier]Titan's surface and atmosphere: Possible
ONLY if our solar system is over 4 BILLION of years
YOUNGER.[/font][/move]
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Published on Jan 14, 2015
For the probe landing’s 10th anniversary, a new sequence has
been rendered from Huygens’ Descent Imager/Spectral Radiometer
(DISR) data. The craft landed on Saturn’s largest moon on 14 Jan
2005. -- Landing Animation:
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Credit: Erich Karkoschka, DISR team, University of Arizona
Agelbert NOTE: Why is Titan's surface and atmosphere an
embarrassment for the scientists who believe our solar system is
4.6 billion years old?
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SEE BELOW: ;D
[center]How Do We Know Our Solar System Is
Young?
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SNIPPET:
[quote]Posted on February 6, 2012
One of the most accepted hypothesis or theories in evolutionary
science claim our solar system formed about 4.6 billion years
ago. Many theories have been built around this assumption in
order to make predictions of what is out there in space. On the
other hand, the Biblical account implies a much younger solar
system. Is there evidence for a young solar system? The answer
is, “yes!” Evolutionary scientists call it a mystery while
creation scientists call it a confirmation.
The old age framework claims an accretion disk appeared which
gravity used to flatten into a spinning disk. From this disk
over millions of years they claim, gravity caused planets to
form and other objects. Once it reached a certain level or
point, the excess gas and dust dissipated and cleared away,
leaving the solar system as we observe it today.
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[center]Proto-solar solar system accretion disk according to
evolutionary theory[/center]
The disk, also known as a nebula, then becomes the source from
which everything in our solar system was formed. However as
science advances, evidence for a young solar system has been
causing problems with this hypothesis. Chemical-change is a
good indicator on how old an object is. The Cassini mission
with its probe has been one of the amazing tools for discovering
what is going on in our solar system!
For one thing, Scientists who have been modelling Titan’s
atmosphere have made calculations using old-age assumptions
concluded that no methane should be present on Titan rather it
should have been used up in the first tens of millions of years
of the moon’s history. There is some replenishment going on with
the methane which is evaporating off Titan’s surface but not
enough to account for the amount detected by the Cassini probe.
There is a lot of chemical-changing activity going on which is
why evolutionary scientists were surprised to find so much
methane on Titan. Also, methane escaping Titan’s thick
atmosphere into space lowers the ten million year range as
well.[/quote]
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solar system accretion disk theory at link: [img
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: July 21, 2017, 12:57 pm
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Agelbert NOTE:Though it doesn't specifically say it, this video
provides more evidence for a young Titan (i.e. Maximum age of in
the millions of years, not billions of years
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see previous post
on this thread) This entertaining video provides some hard
scientific facts about Titan (Earth like atmospheric pressure
despite low gravity, 98% nitrogen atmosphere, THICKER atmosphere
than earth - that WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST if this moon was billions
of years old, size comparisons, etc.):[img width=60
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[center]Swimming in Titan's Lakes[/center]
Dreksler
Published on May 19, 2017
Titan, moon of Saturn, and is the second largest moon in the
Solar System. It has an atmosphere, alive surface and seas and
lakes made out of liquid methane and ethane. So then, what would
swimming in these lakes be like? Watch the video to find out.
Music: Kevin MacLeod - Ritual
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Re: Intelligent Design
By: AGelbert Date: February 23, 2018, 10:09 pm
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[center]What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy - Vol. I (Our
Created Solar System)[/center]
224,924 views
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Daniel Skupien
Published on Mar 26, 2017
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"Our Created Solar System” reveals what you aren't being told by
the secular media.
In this video, you'll tour our magnificent Solar System. You'll
visit each planet through more than 200 beautiful photographs
and graphics from NASA and other sources. You will see how each
planet uniquely testifies of its Creator.
Your host is Spike Psarris, a former engineer in the U.S.
military space program. He entered that program as an atheist
and left it as a creationist and a Christian. 🕊
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