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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: November 4, 2014, 5:58 pm
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Rottweiler saves his chihuahua friend from a hungry coyote
intruder.
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> When Trixxie the chihuahua was left alone for a moment in her
driveway one morning, a coyote thought she looked like a pretty
tasty snack. It would have been curtains for the little dog had
Happy, her Rottweiler neighbor, not intervened. Luckily, the
coyote saw the big dog and made for the hills, leaving Trixxie
free to run back to her home.
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: March 3, 2015, 6:04 pm
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> "A herd of elephants stayed in silence for two days after the
death of Lawrence Anthony – the man who saved them. Exactly one
year after his death, to the day, the herd marched to his house
again. It is something that science cannot explain."
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Yep. Science is WOEFULLY anthropocentric in its bias towards
animals. IOW, "science" is NOT objective in rating animal
intelligence, empathy and memory BECAUSE it has been sold on the
"apex predator = clever, scheming, conscience free plunderer for
resources" world view that Darwin's Standard Theory of Evolution
(SET) pushes.
Gentle, social animals are NOT considered that "intelligent".
That is a huge mistake. Maybe someday, science will get its head
out of its Darwinian predator worshipping ass.
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> For as much as we empathize with our canines, we have been
stingy about recognizing empathy elsewhere in the animal
kingdom, reserving it as a human trait.
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: March 6, 2015, 8:10 pm
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An 8-year-old girl receives gifts from the crows she feeds ;D
By Walter Einenkel for weinenkel
Daily Kos staff Tue Mar 03, 2015 at 01:17 PM PST
Eight-year-old Gabi Mann has been feeding crows in her family's
Seattle backyard garden for about four years now. It started as
an accident:
Gabi's relationship with the neighborhood crows began
accidentally in 2011. She was four years old, and prone to
dropping food. She'd get out of the car, and a chicken nugget
would tumble off her lap. A crow would rush in to recover it.
Soon, the crows were watching for her, hoping for another bite.
As she got older, she rewarded their attention, by sharing her
packed lunch on the way to the bus stop. Her brother joined in.
Soon, crows were lining up in the afternoon to greet Gabi's bus,
hoping for another feeding session.
A couple of years later, Gabi and her sister began setting out
food for the crows on a daily basis. It was after this ritual
began that gifts started to appear.
The crows would clear the feeder of peanuts, and leave shiny
trinkets on the empty tray; an earring, a hinge, a polished
rock. There wasn't a pattern. Gifts showed up sporadically -
anything shiny and small enough to fit in a crow's mouth.
One time it was a tiny piece of metal with the word "best"
printed on it. "I don't know if they still have the part that
says 'friend'," Gabi laughs, amused by the thought of a crow
wearing a matching necklace.
There has been ample research done over the past few decades
that show that birds, specifically crows, are considerably more
intelligent than first thought. As for Gabi's gifts?
No doubt, Gabi's collection is quite impressive. She considers
them her treasures, and she meticulously stores, labels, and
categorizes each object in a bead storage container. One bag
contains a broken light bulb with the caption, "Black table by
feeder. 2:30 p.m. 09 Nov 2014." Other objects include
paperclips, buttons, earrings, and worn glass. One trinket, a
screw, is marked as "third favorite," because as Gabi puts it,
"You don't see a crow carrying around a screw that much. Unless
it's trying to build its house."
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 18, 2017, 1:23 pm
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[move]This dog is so smart he has figured out a way to train his
trainer to be nice. ;D[/move]
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 3, 2018, 2:20 pm
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[center]Amazing Octopus - Most Intelligent Animal on Earth?
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3,121,317 views
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zmwiz Media
Published on Aug 28, 2016
An incredible exploration of one of the ocean's most complex and
enigmatic creatures, and a reminder why these beautiful animals
should be protected and studied, not served at Sushi
restaurants.
Share this video with the world.
How has the octopus become so intelligent and capable of
thinking in the abstract? Watch fascinating and often hilarious
experiments to see just how smart they are.
After this video, you'll never think about the octopus the same.
In this fascinating documentary we get to see how octopuses
behave in the wild too. Off the coast of Vancouver Island,
underwater divers are watched by a huge octopus - a ghost like
creature that lurks until it feels it's safe to emerge and be
seen. It's an eerie encounter.
The octopus uses cognitive reasoning to make deductions and
understand its environment. It can shape shift, change color and
texture on the fly to blend in with its surroundings to become
either predator or defend itself from becoming prey.
In one experiment we see an octopus wrap its tentacles around a
screw-top jar that has a crab inside it. In slow but determined
fashion, the octopus successfully opens the jar to get to its
prey. The jar is unlike anything it would encounter in the wild
- the octopus has used cognitive reasoning, not instinct, to
catch its well-deserved lunch.
The octopus has lived side-by-side with humankind from our
earliest days. But it's only now that we're beginning to unravel
the animal's secrets, and the extent of its formidable
brain-power.
Watch as an octopus slips out of its tank and slithers casually
across a concrete floor. Is it making a break for freedom? Not
at all. It knows that its prey is just a short distance away in
another tank.
As we learn, the octopus can move on land as well as underwater
and the little round trip it has taken is not just to get from
point A to point B. It's also taking this little detour because
it's curious about the world it is living in.
It's hard to believe that this animal is simply a mollusk. As
far as his family tree goes, the octopus is more closely related
to an oyster or a snail than to any other species of animal.
And yet, as octopuses behave like shape shifters, moving in and
out of tiny openings to get their reward, they are working out
solutions the way humans do.
They are able to think in the abstract.
Amazingly, with all its powerful traits, the octopus has never
become king of the sea. Researchers think that it's because of
the female's short life span.
They give up everything, including their life, for their eggs.
Just how has an animal that is so different from humans become
so intelligent?
From Spain to Vancouver Island and finally to Capri, Italy,
follow scientists as they try to understand how the octopus has
evolved to have such intelligence, even by our standards.
#Octopus
#IntelligentOctopus
#OctopusIntelligence
#AmazingOctopus
Agelbert NOTE: The high intelligence of the Octopus, a
cephalopod, makes a mockery of the Phenetics (overall
similarities) based taxonomy that evolutionist Darwin
worshipping scientists have relegated it to in the mollusk
family. The claim that the short life span has limited its
intellectual development is pure speculation. Another cephalopod
called the Chambered Nautilus, known as a "living fossil"
because it, uh, hasn't "evolved" for millions and millions of
years ;D, is VERY LONG LIVED.
A cephalopod is any member of the molluscan class Cephalopoda
such as a squid, octopus or nautilus.
The Chambered Nautilus has not gotten any smarter, despite its
longevity.
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> Unlike most other cephalopods that have a short life span, the
chambered nautilus can live 16 or more years.
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--- Quote ---
> Chambered nautili are known as living fossils because they
have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.In
1997-98 paleontologists used DNA techniques to compare tissues
from today’s animals to those of millions-of-years-old fossil
nautiloids, dating to the time when California and Washington
State were under the ocean. These studies confirmed the belief
that the species Nautilus pompilius is a living fossil. The
chambered nautilus (Allonautilus and Nautilus species) is the
only living descendent of a group of ocean creatures that
thrived in the seas 500 million years ago when the earth’s
continents were still forming. It is even older than the
dinosaurs!
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 3, 2018, 9:48 pm
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[center]Amazing Octopus - Most Intelligent Animal on Earth?
[/center]
3,121,317 views
[center]
HTML https://youtu.be/GJor1sk_JDI[/center]
zmwiz Media
Published on Aug 28, 2016
An incredible exploration of one of the ocean's most complex and
enigmatic creatures, and a reminder why these beautiful animals
should be protected and studied, not served at Sushi
restaurants.
Share this video with the world.
How has the octopus become so intelligent and capable of
thinking in the abstract? Watch fascinating and often hilarious
experiments to see just how smart they are.
After this video, you'll never think about the octopus the same.
In this fascinating documentary we get to see how octopuses
behave in the wild too. Off the coast of Vancouver Island,
underwater divers are watched by a huge octopus - a ghost like
creature that lurks until it feels it's safe to emerge and be
seen. It's an eerie encounter.
The octopus uses cognitive reasoning to make deductions and
understand its environment. It can shape shift, change color and
texture on the fly to blend in with its surroundings to become
either predator or defend itself from becoming prey.
In one experiment we see an octopus wrap its tentacles around a
screw-top jar that has a crab inside it. In slow but determined
fashion, the octopus successfully opens the jar to get to its
prey. The jar is unlike anything it would encounter in the wild
- the octopus has used cognitive reasoning, not instinct, to
catch its well-deserved lunch.
The octopus has lived side-by-side with humankind from our
earliest days. But it's only now that we're beginning to unravel
the animal's secrets, and the extent of its formidable
brain-power.
Watch as an octopus slips out of its tank and slithers casually
across a concrete floor. Is it making a break for freedom? Not
at all. It knows that its prey is just a short distance away in
another tank.
As we learn, the octopus can move on land as well as underwater
and the little round trip it has taken is not just to get from
point A to point B. It's also taking this little detour because
it's curious about the world it is living in.
It's hard to believe that this animal is simply a mollusk. As
far as his family tree goes, the octopus is more closely related
to an oyster or a snail than to any other species of animal.
And yet, as octopuses behave like shape shifters, moving in and
out of tiny openings to get their reward, they are working out
solutions the way humans do.
They are able to think in the abstract.
Amazingly, with all its powerful traits, the octopus has never
become king of the sea. Researchers think that it's because of
the female's short life span.
They give up everything, including their life, for their eggs.
Just how has an animal that is so different from humans become
so intelligent?
From Spain to Vancouver Island and finally to Capri, Italy,
follow scientists as they try to understand how the octopus has
evolved to have such intelligence, even by our standards.
#Octopus
#IntelligentOctopus
#OctopusIntelligence
#AmazingOctopus
Agelbert NOTE: The high intelligence of the Octopus, a
cephalopod, makes a mockery of the Phenetics (overall
similarities) based taxonomy that evolutionist Darwin
worshipping scientists have relegated it to in the mollusk
family. The claim that the short life span has limited its
intellectual development is pure speculation. Another cephalopod
called the Chambered Nautilus, known as a "living fossil"
because it, uh, hasn't "evolved" for millions and millions of
years ;D, is VERY LONG LIVED.
A cephalopod is any member of the molluscan class Cephalopoda
such as a squid, octopus or nautilus.
The Chambered Nautilus has not gotten any smarter, despite its
longevity.
--- Quote ---
> Unlike most other cephalopods that have a short life span, the
chambered nautilus can live 16 or more years.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Chambered nautili are known as living fossils because they
have remained virtually unchanged for millions of years.In
1997-98 paleontologists used DNA techniques to compare tissues
from today’s animals to those of millions-of-years-old fossil
nautiloids, dating to the time when California and Washington
State were under the ocean. These studies confirmed the belief
that the species Nautilus pompilius is a living fossil. The
chambered nautilus (Allonautilus and Nautilus species) is the
only living descendent of a group of ocean creatures that
thrived in the seas 500 million years ago when the earth’s
continents were still forming. It is even older than the
dinosaurs!
--- End Quote ---
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--- Quote from: Palloy2 link ---
>
> [quote]AG: The high intelligence of the Octopus, a cephalopod,
makes a mockery of the Phenetics (overall similarities) based
taxonomy that evolutionist Darwin worshipping scientists have
relegated it to in the mollusk family.
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"Relegated" is your disparaging word, not the words used by
"Darwinian worshiping scientists". Grouping creatures by
overall similarities was a good idea, proposed by Linnaeus in
1735 and still in use today. No one embarrassed if the Linnean
taxonomy has to be revised. At the time the mechanism for HOW
offspring came to be like their parents was unknown, but was
later shown to be by the mixing of genes in DNA. Techniques for
gene mapping have shown the octopus shares a great many genes
with other members of the mollusc family, even more with squids
and even more amongst the various species of octopus. No one is
embarrassed about the mollusc linkage, and the outrage over Homo
being closely related to Pongo, Pan and Gorilla as proposed by
Darwin was overcome by the weight of evidence in favour of it,
as opposed to the hubris of religious teachings.
Humans don't know (yet) how we acquired curiosity, so obviously
we don't know how octopuses acquired it. But whatever the
mechanism, we would expect to find it in both Homo and Octopoda.
It will involve DNA, no doubt.[/quote]
I am painfully familiar with the incredibly simple minded and
reductionist Linnaeus system of Taxonomy, Mr. Pedant. I had
"discussions" with my Zoology teacher about the classification
of arachnids versus the insects, something I won't go into now.
A "good idea" needs to be ejected when it is proven erroneous in
many areas. The fact that it is still, largely (the DNA studies
have shown many species to be wrongly classified ;D) in use
today is a testament, not to its importance and validity, but to
the rigidity of the ivory tower academics backing it. Of course,
you are most certain that they know what they are talking about
and rushed to the defense of these "paragons of honesty and
scientific acumen".
Your comment is interesting. I am allegedly unreasonably
"disparaging" in my comment but you, by repeatedly expressing
gross general assumptions about taxonomy and species lineage
with "no one is embarrassed" or thinks this or that but those
mentally stunted by "hubris" filled religious teachings is, of
course, not offensive or disparaging. ::) It is clear you did
not watch the entire video. If you had, you would not be making
such statements.
On the one hand you are "humble" enough to admit that humans
"don't know" how we acquired curiosity, but finish your display
of "humility" with the professorially pedantic, "no doubt". It
must be nice to live in a pretzel world logic of such amazing
asurrance about what is, and what is not "known". So, DNA will
give us the answer, will it? Deoxyribonucleic acid is in every
single cell of living organisms, so I would beg to differ. The
answer, if and when they find it, will probably be in the
signaling and storage biochemistry of Cephalopod neurons in
which a similar matrix pattern to human thought exists, but I'm
sure they will check with you first before publishing the paper
to make sure Darwininan worship of Evolution Theory is not
compromised.
Palloy, you are an amazing fellow. Have a nice day and try
watching the full video when you get a chance.
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 3, 2018, 10:19 pm
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>
> [quote]AG: So, DNA will give us the answer, will it?
Deoxyribonucleic acid is in every single cell of living
organisms, so I would beg to differ. The answer, if and when
they find it, will probably be in the signaling and storage
biochemistry of Cephalopod neurons in which a similar matrix
pattern to human thought exists, ...
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That doesn't make sense.
DNA controls how all cells develop and work, so if the answer is
to be found in octopus neurons' networks, then of course it is
going to be due to DNA.
[/quote]
Perhaps it doesn't make sense to YOU because you are fixated on
nature instead of environment in regard to the development of
intelligence. Of course the code of the genetics will produce
the general pattern, BUT, the pattern must be observed
biochemically BEFORE embryology studies to find out exactly
WHICH Gene coding sequence is involved in the process of
commanding the manufacture of the neuronic network. It is quite
possible that only a certain ENVIRONMENT will stimulate latent
intelligence activity while the absence of said environment will
not in two genetically identical octopus cephalods. THAT was
what the neuroscientist was suspecting in the video.
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The octopus is apparently ADAPTING to new environmental
conditions from a PRE-EXISTING genetic code. THAT is NOT
"evolution". There is NO NEW DNA. That is ADAPTATION.
Evolutionists have a penchant for deliberately confusing
adaptation with evolution. That is understandable. They have
great difficulties with DNA sequences that just SAT THERE (they
used to be called them "nonsence or junk" DNA until they were
embarrassed into no longer calling this fully functional, though
not always protein coding, DNA as an integral part of the
original organism) for no reason. This previously silent DNA
suddenly begins coding up some adaptation when triggered by the
environment.
"Dormant" DNA is anathema to evolutionists for obvious reasons.
If there is no CHANGE in DNA = no
mutation = no evolution = a package NOT the result of small
mutations = intelligent design) the evolutionists would have to
stop being atheists. We can't have that, now can we?
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 4, 2018, 12:58 pm
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--- Quote from: Palloy2 link ---
>
> I watched the video, I had seen something like it before
anyway, and I don't remember anything like that being discussed.
Adaptation to change, with the existing DNA, is not evolution.
The intelligence was always potentially there. So there was no
"development of intelligence". Since all octopuses were found
to have this intelligence, there would be no relatively
successful smart octopuses to have a new generation of smarter
octopuses.
>
> I think the answer is that no environment has turned up which
makes smartness more successful, so evolution hasn't had
anything to work with.
>
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Well, you have a bad memory.
--- Quote ---
> Adaptation to change, with the existing DNA, is not
evolution.
--- End Quote ---
Yeah, that's what I said. Is there an echo in here?
--- Quote ---
> The intelligence was always potentially there. So there was no
"development of intelligence".
--- End Quote ---
Yes there was ;D. Octopuses living in groups are learning from
older octopuses. The experiments proved tey ARE getting smarter.
But, I can understand your Neo-Darwinian standard for "smarter"
REQUIRES new DNA passed on to a subsequent generation for that
to be the "real deal", so to speak. You refuse to accept the
SAME DNA package can produce smarter octpopuses. So, you come up
with the following Syllogistic statement to defend your
"evolution is the only solution" Procrustean Bed.
--- Quote ---
> Since all octopuses were found to have this intelligence,
there would be no relatively successful smart octopuses to have
a new generation of smarter octopuses.
--- End Quote ---
A Procrustean bed is an arbitrary standard to which exact
conformity is forced. In Edgar Allan Poe's influential crime
story "The Purloined Letter" (1844), the private detective Dupin
uses the metaphor of a Procrustean bed to describe the Parisian
police's overly rigid method of looking for clues.
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Again, you missed the entire point of the observations in the
video. Octopuses are typically loners. The octopuses observed
are NOW living in grooups, something they never have been
previously observed to do. This enables the young octopuses to
learn from the older, more experienced ones, something that has
hitherto not been possible because a female octopus dies as soon
as her brood can swim. Thus they have ALWAYS relied totally on
instinct to hunt and hide.
NOW, things are changing. NOW the young octopuses, which are
GENETICALLY IDENTICAL to the previous ones that did not live in
groups, are showing EVIDENCE of increased intelligence in prey
seeking ability.
Tell me, Palloy, why do you have such difficulty grasping
non-evolutionary adaptation concepts?
--- Quote ---
> Palloy: ... evolution hasn't had anything to work with
--- End Quote ---
Poor Mr. "Evolution". Your god hasn't had "anything to work
with". How amazingly presumptive, as well as reductionist, of
you to ASS-U-ME that the only possible explanation for a new
"evolutionary" ;) advantage a species obtains, such as added
intelligence, is "evolution".
Sir, you are STUCK in a neo-Darwinian mental straight jacket
that refuses to accept that a pre-existing functional bit of DNA
coding can be activated by new environmental stresses.
👎 👎 👎
As usual, you are parroting the "evolution solution" mantra that
will not accept a new advantage is real unless said advantage
has been proven to be passed onto the offspring in the form of a
mutation. It is simply impossible for you to accept that a new
advantage DOES NOT have to be "passed on", because it was
latently THERE and ALREADY being passed on, in the original DNA
package.
Your tired "the ones who don't have it die off and the ones who
have it dominate" does not apply here simply because the less
social octopuses that don't learn from the more experienced
octopuses are genetically identical to the ones that DO learn
and dominate.
I remember when my Zoology Prof calmly stated that a crocodile
having two penises was an "evolutionary advantage". That was the
best joke I had heard in a long time. But, you
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you? :D
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: November 27, 2018, 2:18 pm
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The documentary you will see here along with the other
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Re: Intelligence
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: December 20, 2019, 8:37 pm
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