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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: September 25, 2014, 6:40 pm
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> Dashcam video captured the moment a South Carolina state
trooper shot an unarmed man during a traffic stop earlier this
month.
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> The trooper, Sean Groubert, was arrested Wednesday and charged
with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature.
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> The video shows Groubert stopping Levar Jones for a seat belt
violation
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4, according to South Carolina Department of Public Safety.
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> After Groubert asked for his license, Jones, 35, turned back
toward his car and reached inside. Groubert then began shooting
and yelling at Jones to "get out of the car."
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> Jones, who was unarmed, was hit in the hip with a bullet,
police said. He can be heard saying "I just got my license. You
said get my license."
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> Groubert was fired last week. He faces up to 20 years in
prison if convicted.
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Agelbert NOTE:20 years!!!? That's it!!? I know it's REAL HARD
for some here to do the "appropriate punishment" math, but TRY
to imagine what a Black man would get for SHOOTING at an unarmed
BUILDING, let alone another human being....
Still don't get it? Look at the charges. It's a SET UP to keep
the punishment low. When they want to SCREW SOMEONE (i.e. a
Black man), the charges involve a grievous felony (i.e.
Manslaughter or attempted murder). The charge of Assault and
battery of a high and aggravated nature is a way to MINIMIZE the
maximum sentence!
Never mind.
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Navajo Nation gets some PAYBACK!
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: September 29, 2014, 1:01 am
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U.S. To Pay Navajo Nation $554 Million in Largest Single Tribe
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ericlewis From The Washington Post:
In the largest settlement with a single American Indian tribe,
the Obama administration will pay the Navajo Nation $554 million
to settle claims that the U.S. government has mismanaged funds
and natural resources on the Navajo reservation for decades.
The settlement, to be signed in Window Rock, Ariz., on Friday,
resolves a long-standing dispute between the Navajo Nation and
the U.S. government, with some of the claims dating back more
than 50 years.
...
“This landmark resolution ends protracted and burdensome
litigation,” Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said in a
statement provided to The Washington Post on Wednesday. “This
demonstrates the Justice Department’s firm commitment to
strengthening our partnerships with tribal nations.”
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“The Navajo Nation has worked tirelessly for many years to bring
this issue to a close,” said Ben Shelly, president of the Navajo
Nation. “After a long, hard-won process, I am pleased that we
have finally come to a resolution on this matter to receive fair
and just compensation for the Navajo Nation.” ...
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Agelbert NOTE: Never forget the Navajo Uranium miners
compensation PITTANCE!
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> Thirty years after mining began, an increasing number of
deaths from lung cancer made evident the fact that Kerr-McGee
had held miners' lives as cheaply as their labor. As Navajo
miners continued to die, children who played in water that had
flowed over or through abandoned mines and tailing piles came
home with burning sores.
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> Even if the tailings were to be buried -- a staggering task --
radioactive pollution could leak into the surrounding water
table.
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> Miller's committee was investigating not only the Navajo death
toll from radiation poisoning, but many other reports that
indigenous peoples were willfully and recklessly exposed to
radiation during the Cold War.
>
> The geographic range of purported radiation poisonings spans
half the globe -- from the Navajos in the United States
Southwest, to Alaskan Natives whose lives were endangered when
atomic waste products from Nevada were secretly buried near
their villages :o >:(, to residents of the Marshall Islands in
the South Pacific, an area in which the United States tested
atomic and hydrogen bombs in the atmosphere between 1946 and
1958. As investigations deepened, it appeared that the treatment
of Navajos was not the exception, but one example of a deadly
pattern of reckless disregard for indigenous life in colonized
places, human and otherwise. >:(
>
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 1, 2014, 8:29 pm
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investigated for misconduct[/move]
The St. Louis County prosecutor’s office is investigating an
accusation of misconduct on the grand jury that is hearing the
case against the Ferguson Police Officer who shot and killed
18-year-old Michael Brown.
Ed Magee, the spokesman for county prosecutor, Robert McCulloch
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Wednesday morning.
“We are looking into the matter,” ::) he said.
An account of possible jury misconduct surfaced Wednesday
morning on Twitter, when several users sent messages about one
juror who may have discussed evidence in the case with a friend.
In one of those messages, a person tweeted that they are friends
with a member of the jury who doesn’t believe there is enough
evidence
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The same person who tweeted about being friends with a member of
the jury has also tweeted messages of support for Wilson.
Magee confirmed that the Twitter user and feed came from an
activist, Shaun King.
Within seconds of posting this, her friends told her to delete
it and she did. It was screenshotted first.
pic.twitter.com/b6kTf9p40h :emthup: :icon_mrgreen:
The jury has been weighing evidence on the case since Aug. 20,
within days of the Aug. 9 shooting. McCulloch told The
Washington Post last week that both the FBI and county police’s
investigations into the shooting are “pretty much done.” He also
said that jurors should be done hearing all the evidence by
later this month, but they could meet through mid-November.
Grand jury proceedings are confidential and if there has been a
breach, the prosecutor’s office may have to start over with a
newly empaneled group.
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 2, 2014, 10:07 pm
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Thu Oct 02, 2014 at 09:56 AM PDT.
Arizona Teacher Fired for Breaking up Racist Bullying of 4th
Grader
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attribution: Arizona teacher fired after defending student from
bullying [KNXV-TV]
25 year veteran Elementary Teacher Pam Aister was fired this
week by the Fountain Hills Arizona School District after
breaking up an incident of Racial Bullying by Four Students
against one other.
“He was called the n-word, ‘monkey’, and ‘coon,’ Aister told
KNXV.
Ainster told KTAR-FM that she also said to the group, “If you’re
picking on him, you’re picking on me. It’s not five against one,
it’s five against two, and there will be no more taunting,
teasing or racial names.”
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But parents of the alleged offenders claim that Ainster used
abusive language telling them to "shut up" ::) and that one had
an "ugly face", an allegation that Ainster denies. In the end
the School Board, following the recommendation of their
attorney, voted to terminate Ainster on the basis of reports
from the parents.
Isn't it an interesting world, assuming Ainster's claims are
essentially true and even that the counter claims against her
are valid, where a pack of bigoted bullies can rely on their
parents to protect and escalate their bullying in order to
remove a teacher whose primary crime was to stand up against
their racist taunting - even if somewhat vehemently - in order
to protect and defend a vulnerable child?
How would you hope the teacher of your children would react in
this situation?
Follow the link below to read more and to watch a Video Report
from KNXV.
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12:26 PM PT: Change.org has a Petition Up to Support Ms Ainster:
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12:34 PM PT: Additional Links on this story:
Racially Bullied Student Talks about Teacher who Stood Up for
Him
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Veteran Teacher fired for Defending Bullied Student
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12:35 PM PT: What I'm hearing vis Kosmessage is that this area
is on top of being predominantly white, is also dominated by
Hard Core Tea Party Politiics.
David Schweikert is the congressman in this district. He beat
former congressman Ben Quayle in the republican primary in 2012
largely due to overwhelming support from his hometown of
Fountain Hills, where there is a very active tea party group.
Schweikert is so right wing, he was one of a handful of
republican reps (along with Huelskamp and Amish) removed from
key committees by Boehner as punishment for being a pain in the
a$$ to house leadership. That gives you an idea of how
reactionary and right wing a lot of the people are there.
So that's something.
12:55 PM PT: CBS 5 - KPHO
2:13 PM PT: The School Board Report claims this wasn't the
first incident where Ms Ainster was "rude" to some of the white
children, ::) and even casts doubt that the initial incident
was "racial"
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 3, 2014, 10:48 pm
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Daily Kos KNOCKS IT OUT OF THE PARK with this one!
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'Dear White Racists' is One of the Best Explanations of White
Privilege You Will Likely Ever Read
Dear white racists and your fragile fee-fees:
Relax, I'm white, too. Look, I can do the secret handshake and
nudge-nudge, wink-wink. Lemme whitesplain something to you,
fellow white men: no one buys your bullshit.
That's because your bullshit runs like this: For historically-
and presently-oppressed black people to be treated decently,
they must carefully avoid doing anything that could be remotely
twisted into behaving like a white racist, even if you're
squinting and looking at it from five hundred meters away in a
thick fog. Because that would be racist, and therefore
hypocritical, and if that's the case, they deserve to continue
to be oppressed.
Here's the thing you thick-headed assholes totally fail to get:
NO ONE DESERVES TO BE OPPRESSED, PERIOD. You can talk all you
want about how it's okay for black people to be mistreated if---
but get this, there is no "if". It's not okay, ever. That's why
we call it mistreatment. Your error is to think that it's ever
justified, and your active misdeed is to constantly search for a
justification. Black people, collectively, are not guilty of
anything. In fact, a basic principle of civil society is that we
reject the notion of collective guilt.
Some individual black people, like individual white people, have
done bad things, and in those cases, may deserve judicial
punishments. But even those people don't deserve mistreatment
from some random white guy on the street. And black people in
general don't owe anyone anything as a prerequisite for being
treated decently. No one does.
Now I know there are a bunch of you in the back of the room
waving your hand and getting ready to launch the argument that
it's racist to complain about white privilege. No, it is not.
Complaining about white privilege is not the same as assigning
collective guilt to white people. White privilege is a pervasive
feature of our society and our legal system. It's hard to see if
you're white (and you're not looking or actively trying not to
look), but it is real, it is powerfully destructive, and if
global warming had the kind of statistical support that evidence
of white privilege has, Bill O'Reilly would be haranguing FOX
News viewers to install solar panels.
And here's the subtle point that you folks either can't or won't
grasp. White privilege is especially the responsibility of white
people to fix, not because we're all racist schlubs like you
are, but because white privilege itself means that we're the
ones who have the power to change it.
Black people don't have that power, again because of white
privilege, and not because they aren't sufficiently careful in
the way they phrase their complaints about being mistreated.
It's our problem and our responsibility as white people to fix
not because whites are collectively guilty, but because it is
the responsibility of ALL PEOPLE to fight for decent treatment
for ALL PEOPLE. It just happens that, because of our shithead
ancestors and a helping handful of historical accident, we white
people are the ones who can do something about it. When the
finger on the trigger is white, it's pointless to ask a black
guy to lower the gun.
And quite frankly, given all the shit that our black fellow
citizens have put up with, and all the shit they have to deal
with every. fucking. day., if some of them lose their tempers
and say things that aren't carefully calibrated to kiss your
privileged, hypersensitive asses, well, is that actually
surprising? You lose your minds when black people just complain
verbally about being kicked. Imagine how tough it would be for
you to keep your cool if someone was actually doing something to
you instead of just talking.
Finally, yes, I know this is pointless. You want to be offended
to fluff your fragile egos, and you want black people to please
shut the fuck up and stop harshing your mellow. ;D I hate to
break it to you, but as long as people are being murdered by the
state, given draconian sentences for crimes that in many cases
they haven't even committed, and being held in poverty and
privation and a constant state of fear, those of us who actually
give a shit about our fellow citizens are going, at the very
least, to make some noise about it.
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In the meantime, if you can't be bothered to do your duty as an
American to protect your fellow Americans with the considerable
power at your disposal, at least shut the fuck up and stop
making an ass of yourself.
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Regards,
Your fellow privileged white guy
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 4, 2014, 9:14 pm
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Ashvin (since you just pointed out that you are technically
under arrest if the police are detaining you and must charge you
or release you if not - hence the fact that a law savvy person
asks, "Am I free to do?" - No arrest means you ARE free to go,
period),
Watch this video of an educated, law savvy African American
Woman get fired on by the New Mexico Highway Patrol. White
racists will say it was her fault (as usual ::)). But the point
is that ALL the cop had to do was NOTE the fact that she would
not sign, take her license plate number and let her go. She KEPT
asking if she was free to go. The cop kept saying NO. This was a
civil, not a criminal law area. the cop was SUPPOSED to let her
go when she would not sign.
Eventually she just took off. The cop that fired on her and her
kids was eventually fired BUT he was NOT charged with attempted
manslaughter, attempted murder, aggravated assault, etc. Imagine
if this had been a WHITE person fired on by a Black officer!!!
And by the way, this woman is a FANTASTIC driver! She handled
that van like a PRO!
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 5, 2014, 8:19 pm
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> Ashvin,
> Watch this video of an educated, law savvy African American
Woman get fired on by the New Mexico Highway Patrol.
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Bro, she definitely was not "law savvy" LOL. The passenger (her
son?) was not either.
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> Mking will say it was her fault (as usual ::)). But the point
is that ALL the cop had to do was NOTE the fact that she would
not sign, take her license plate number and let her go. She KEPT
asking if she was free to go. The cop kept saying NO. This was a
civil, not a criminal law area. the cop was SUPPOSED to let her
go when she would not sign.
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Technically, traffic violations are criminal. And when she drove
off the first time, she gave the officer more than enough
probable cause to make an arrest, and probably enough for a
search of her vehicle.
And obviously when the son came out and assaulted the officer,
that made it a very serious criminal matter.
Basically, driving away after the officer pulls you over and
before he lets you go is not lawful and will rarely end well...
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> Eventually she just took off. The cop that fired on her and
her kids was eventually fired BUT he was NOT charged with
attempted manslaughter, attempted murder, aggravated assault,
etc. Imagine if this had been a WHITE person fired on by a Black
officer!!!
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You're 100% right about this. The cop firing his gun should have
been fired AND charged with at least agg assault. This was a
clearly a situation in which deadly force was not needed for any
legitimate reason. Cops are not held to the same legal standard
most citizens are, especially white cops dealing with minority
suspects, which can make them very dangerous.
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Ahsvin,
Notice that MKing did not say WORD ONE about this statement from
you
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> You're 100% right about this. The cop firing his gun should
have been fired AND charged with at least agg assault. This was
a clearly a situation in which deadly force was not needed for
any legitimate reason. Cops are not held to the same legal
standard most citizens are, especially white cops dealing with
minority suspects, which can make them very dangerous
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He just did his best to ridicule my position as some "Anthony's
world" never-neverland. :evil4:
A traffic stop may be technically part of "criminal" law BECAUSE
it's not a law suit in the CIVIL law area but speeding is STILL
a misdemeanor offense so low on the legal totem pole that it
doesn't STAY on your rap sheet after a period of time. THAT was
the SITUATION when the COP stopped her. The COP created the
negative situation by IGNORING the LAW. You CAN claim that when
she drove off she gave probable cause to use force (open her
door and pull her out of the vehicle - assaulting her in the
process) and you would be WRONG again.
Take a deep breath, counselor. Who is in charge of exacerbating
the situation here, the driver, her son or the cop? WHY did the
cop INSIST that she sign the ticket when she had NO LEGAL
OBLIGATION to sign it, OVER and OVER again.
Sure, if I had been her, I would have said that I will not sign
the ticket and, rather than asking if I was free to go (although
that WAS a law savvy question, regardless of what you said), I
would ask, OVER and OVER, if I was under arrest until I was
released or jailed with some trumped up charge of "creating a
disturbance" or whatever.
MKing's playing a game here (and you've fallen for it
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/>with his "Anthony's world" BULLSHIT. Notice he uses my first
name when he has NEVER used his. That's his "friendly" way of
saying that HE KNOWS WHO I AM AND WHERE I LIVE. I've gotten that
from a few "friendly" Vermonters too. They look at you, smile,
then say, "I know where you live". :evil4: Bring it on MKing.
Boo! 8)
I'll dig up the trial proceedings if you want. Her son? Are you
kidding me? He's a MINOR! I never said anything about him being
law savvy. Did you watch the video? The driver CLEARLY stated
she DID NOT want to sign the ticket OVER and OVER. She was
WITHIN HER RIGHTS to say that. She was doing 70 in a 50 mph
zone! Are you going to tell me the cop could DEMAND that she
sign if she refused to sign the ticket? BULL S H I T !
Did you see the cop's body language when he got out of the car
the second time? Are you BLIND? He KNEW they were unarmed. He
had INTENT to use FORCE because somebody drives off without
SIGNING A TICKET!!!? Are you all right, Ashvin?
These people were UNARMED and the cop pulls a GUN on a teenaged
boy when the cop is assaulting his mother! Are you all right,
Ashvin!!? The mother was screaming at her son to get in the car.
He was just a kid trying to defend his UNARMED mom!
And she was supposed to just SIT there while the cops are
smashing the side door? Are you all right, Ashvin?
I cannot believe you came up with this analysis. We will have to
agree to disagree. The point neither you or Mking want to see
which IS considered in ALL Criminal Court proceedings is INTENT
(as in MENS REA).
That cop KNOWS exactly where the line is. The INSTANT an
uncooperative citizen began to argue about signing a speeding
ticket, he HAD to let her GO. He DELIBERATELY used his power,
authority and WEAPON to attempt to force a signature. The fact
that you believe he was in his rights is sad. He wasn't.
At THAT POINT, he was NO LONGER acting as a police officer but
as a DICTATOR. The LAW was on HER side from then on.
But with encroaching fascism, what those cops did to that lady
WILL become "normal" whenever they want to do it without even
the uncooperative driver excuse. And I'm sad to say, with all
the hair splitting you came up with, all I can say is
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 6, 2014, 2:35 pm
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> [quote author=MKing link=topic=3488.msg58053#msg58053
date=1412513092]
> [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=3488.msg58039#msg58039
date=1412502822]
> And obviously when the son came out and assaulted the officer,
that made it a very serious criminal matter.
>
>
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Ashvin, you are missing the point. In Anthony's world, there is
nothing that a police office can do to a civilian of color that
isn't racist. Can't wink at them, can't bust them for speeding,
nothing, and ANYTHING that the poor oppressed minority does is
just all good clean normal activity, like in the example
provided, OBVIOUSLY the cops were just to supposed to not do
their job, not notice being assaulted (after all, it was whiteys
fault for slavery 100 years ago and therefore the rules are
different because of what the great-great grandparents of those
people suffered).
Of course it is a serious matter. Just like when Brown reached
in through that cop car window and did...something. Or Trayvon
Martin decided to bash someone's head against the sidewalk. Or
Sharpton claimed that this young lady had been raped by a bunch
of white guys...except...she hadn't...but to Anthony, FACTS
don't matter...if it involves a white person (or Peruvian), and
some African American person, the white person is racist and the
minority person is oppressed and all laws should be suspended
because...just because...
It doesn't have to make sense in his world. It doesn't make
sense in your world, or mine. Or anyone else's. Only Anthony.
[/quote]
The son did not assault the officer, he had a gun pointed at him
as soon as he got out of the car, although what else to expect
where anyone could be armed any time. The officer never acted as
though the driver may have been armed talking and struggling
with the woman. Typically the officer was very very patient and
willing to cut a break with a tall slim MILF, but zero patience
with the male. Before she went to drive off the second time he
decided to go to the rear passenger side and work on smashing
the sons window rather than the drivers side front to stop her
driving off.
The officer while very patient seemed to have a problem with
stating clearly she was under arrest. Saying "that means what
youre saying to me is you want to see a judge right away, and I
can arrange that, wait there", is not the same as "YOu are under
arrest", neither is "just come out here.......no, no
tricks....just turn around" .
You see the son get out and stand close to the officer
struggling with the woman on the busy road for a second before
backing off, with his back to the camera. Good enough to call
assault for Ashvin and MKing.
Zimmerman was seen under arrest straight after the incident on
camera from the front, side and back all clearly unmarked, and
the coroner stated there was no sign of struggle on martins
body. That's the evidence, however the claim by Zimmerman that
he was having his head bashed on the ground without losing
consciousness or leaving an injury trumped that.
MKing previously said he wanted to wait and see before coming to
any conclusions about Brown in Ferguson now he's reached a
conclusion that he reached into the car for some reason. It
seems to me it doesn't matter what the evidence is ever, since
Ruben Hurricane Carter and Rodney King and the slaves were
freed, fearful folks needed to be reassured.
[/quote]
Thank you, UB.
The instant the cop refused to release the woman without a
charge (conditio iuris) to justify said arrest, he stopped being
a law enforcement officer and started being a dictator. The LAW
was technically on HER side at that point. The fact that she
drove off the first time means she knew that. THEN when the
DICTATOR assaulted HER (you saw his body language when he got
out of the car at the second stop), the cop was using force
outside the law. THAT is assault AND battery. THEN, a minor who
obviously doesn't know shit about the law and is just trying to
protect his mom (I NEVER said the minor was "law savvy!" - I
don't know what caused Ashvin to assume incorrectly that I said
that.) tries to STOP the assault and THAT is considered an
assault!!!? Then the cop pulls a GUN on an unarmed MINOR because
said MINOR was interfering with the cop's illegal assault and
battery. The mom screams at her son to get in the car because
she KNOWS that cop is itching to pull the trigger on her son.
THEN the cop proceeds to vandalized the vehicle, recklessly
endangering the MINOR occupants in the process based on WHAT?
That the minor backed AWAY from a GUN pointed at him and got in
the vehicle!!!?
I am sure the court proceedings will reveal all the above as an
objective analysis. The cops may be given a lot of latitude
under our fucked up system, but they are under the SAME laws as
we are. Yes, in a fascist state where some citizens have greater
protection under the winken, blinken and nod racist modus
operandi than others, that "latitude" CAN turn into looking the
other way while a cop goes berserk. But that does not mean, by
any stretch of hair splitting legalese, that the cop was NOT
acting unlawfully LONG before a bullet was fired at the vehicle!
Ashvin, if you still insist on your position, we will have to
agree to disagree. If this cop's behavior is "lawful" when he
refused to let that uncooperative driver who refused to sign the
ticket go (saying she was NOT FREE TO GO), then all I can say
what Tacitus said long ago: Corruptissima re publica plurimae
leges. The greater the degeneration of the republic, the more of
its laws.
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Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 6, 2014, 2:55 pm
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--- Quote ---
> but to Anthony, FACTS don't matter...if it involves a white
person (or Peruvian), and some African American person, the
white person is racist and the minority person is oppressed and
all laws should be suspended because...just because...
--- End Quote ---
I KNOW all about YOUR world, pal! I had a friend from Indiana
(as white as they come with blue eyes who's last name is
Robeson) that worked as an electrician on ocean oil platform
rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and one off of Brazil for years. You
are full of shit, MKing, and you know it. That's why you use the
above fallacious debating technique of extrapolating the extreme
example without DARING to discuss the merits of the example I
presented. HELLO? It was Ashvin that tried to EDUCATE you about
what being TECHNICALLY UNDER ARREST is and what isn't. Those
cops DID NOT do their job and you fucking know it. But it's
rather entertaining to watch you bob and weave. HELLO? When you
are NOT under arrest, you are free to go. Play your fucking word
games with someone else, pal.
Tell me, have you ever heard the expression "Jungle bunny"? Oh,
of course not. LOL!
Ken told me ALL ABOUT "how it works" for pay (the COLOR pecking
order of pay) on those rigs. Go ahead and deny it. That's your
thing. That's your predatory, dog eat dog, fucking world where
the mark is NEVER supposed to know he is being suckered, abused
or whatever and you go around pretending you have a shred of
ethics.
Ken lived in Texas. He explained "how it works" with blacks and
Hispanics there too...
You talk a good game. And you play a rough game. I've got your
number and so do many here.
Back to the ocean oil rig platform, the only cool thing about it
was that he was once several miles off the coast of Brazil over
a promising salt dome and several thousand HUGE moths parked on
the rig for a couple of days before moving on. Ken wondered
where the fuck those moths came from so far out to see. IT seems
they can fly a lot better than it says in the biology books. But
I'm certain they were pleased to see that ugly thing sticking
out of the ocean that they could rest on. So thank you, fossil
fueler, for giving the moths a place to rest while your pals
"did what you do". That's another propaganda point that you can
throw at people along with the "oil rigs provide habitat for
fish" BULLSHIT. :evil4:
So have fun trying to flip the racist meme on me. That's an old
and rather tired RACIST trick. LOL!
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Hey MKing, the above are two Homo SAPS, that, scientifically
speaking, are the same species with slightly different melanin
concentrations. No big deal, right? So why does it piss you off
to see those two breeding? Say WHAT? It doesn't bother you?
LIAR!!! :icon_mrgreen:
I know ALL ABOUT "your world", MKing.
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/> If you had your way, there would be NO PLACE on earth where
your kind did not abuse fellow Homo SAPS.
I'll give you one thing though. I don't think you are
particularly racist, per se. You'd screw ANYONE.
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#Post#: 1987--------------------------------------------------
Re: Mechanisms of Prejudice: Hidden and Not Hidden
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: October 6, 2014, 5:45 pm
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>
> [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=3488.msg58105#msg58105
date=1412588080]
> I think the same thing would have happened if it was a white
family in the car.
>
--- End Quote ---
You can speculate that might be true, but evidence doesn't bear
that out.
While there are numerous video examples of White on Black
egregious Police behavior out there on You Tube, there are none
I know of of egregious White on White or Black on White
egregious behaviors. Given the White population is much larger,
statistically speaking there should be more examples of this.
RE
[/quote]
Well said.
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Ashvin, if the "law" is on the side of your assumptions, then
you need to go back and review Mens Rea in regard to INTENT in
criminal law as well as Tacitus:
[move]Corruptisima Republica Plurimae Leges. The more corrupt
the republic, the more numerous the laws. —Tacitus, Anals III
27[/move]
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