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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: December 23, 2015, 6:41 pm
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[center]World’s First Off-Grid EcoCapsule Runs Entirely on
Renewable Energy
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Cole Mellino | December 22, 2015 10:03 am
After much anticipation, the egg-shaped EcoCapsule is finally
available for pre-order earlier this month. The oblong home,
which costs €79,000 (about $85,688) per unit, runs entirely on
renewables.
The 88-square feet of interior space may seem pretty small, but
it packs in all the necessities—plenty of storage, a shower,
composting toilet, stove, sink, table and couch that converts
into a double bed.
The home comes with a 600-watt rooftop solar system and a
low-noise wind turbine that can deliver up to 750 watts. It’s
10-kilowatt-hour battery capacity is expected to last at least
four days.
With four wheels and hooks on top for ease of transport, the
EcoCapsule can be taken almost anywhere. Its curved roof
maximizes energy efficiency and rainwater capture, which can be
filtered for human consumption.
home is designed by Slovakian group Nice Architects. The group,
which unveiled a prototype in May, told CNN they were blown away
by the demand for their product. By July, they already had
thousands of pre-orders.
Currently, it’s available for sale in the European Union, U.S.,
Canada, Australia and New Zealand. And it meets all of the
safety regulations for each of those countries. The estimated
delivery date for the first generation of EcoCapsules is late
2016 to early 2017. For those with sticker shock, the designers
say the price will drop in the coming years as production is
scaled and costs decrease.
Check out these fascinating visuals from the company:
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Eighty-eight square feet of interior space may sound small, but
the inside looks much more spacious than you might think. ;D
Photo credit (at link): Martin Barabas/EcoCapsule[/I]
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: December 26, 2015, 9:54 pm
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World’s First Solar-Hydrogen Residential Development Is 100%
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Lorraine Chow | December 23, 2015 10:53 am
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: February 7, 2016, 12:32 am
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[center]Off the grid without leaving the neighborhood Heat, hot
water, AC and car fuel - from the sun
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: February 25, 2016, 5:35 pm
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: April 26, 2016, 6:15 pm
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Alaska SeaLife Center replaces fossil fuels with sea water power
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April 25, 2016
Megan Treacy (@mtreacy) Technology / Clean Technology
Located in Seward, Alaska about 125 miles south of Anchorage,
the Alaska SeaLife Center does important work researching and
promoting awareness of the wildlife that resides along the coast
of Alaska. The center serves as an aquarium, but also operates
as a marine research center and wildlife rescue and
rehabilitation center.
The size of the center and its location so far north meant that
it has required several electric and oil-fired boilers to heat
the buildings. Back in 2011, the center decided to take
advantage of a resource right outside its doors and try to cut
down on its reliance on fossil fuels and save some money in the
process. The center began building a heat pump system that uses
energy from the sea water in Resurrection Bay.
The heat pump system was initially effective enough to cover hot
water heating and radiant floor heating, but they were still
relying on the boilers for baseboard heating. In December, they
added a new, much more effective system and the center now meets
98 percent of the its heating needs through renewable energy and
has eliminated the use of most of the boilers.
Resurrection Bay is more than 900 feet deep. Through the summer,
the water in the bay absorbs solar heat that warms the water
through October. The water below the surface remains warmer than
the air temperature through winter, which means the bay acts as
a sort of heat storage.
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In the new system, seawater is pumped through a heat exchanger,
which warms a water and glycol mix. (Seawater is corrosive, and
it would freeze, so the glycol antifreeze is needed.) When
liquid refrigerant (in this case CO2) comes in contact with the
warmish water, it evaporates, which pulls heat out of the water
the way melting ice pulls heat out of your drink – changing from
a liquid to a gas absorbs energy.
The CO2 then is compressed to 2000 PSI, which raises its
temperature to 194°. The hot compressed gas then goes to a
condenser, where it turns into a liquid, releasing all the heat
that it had stored when it was turned into a vapor.
The old system used a synthetic refrigerant that was not only
less effective, but also posed a greenhouse gas risk if they
were to leak from the system. The carbon dioxide refrigerant
also poses a risk, but to a much lesser degree and the amount of
fossil fuel use it's offsetting is significant ;D. The center
estimates that with the new system they are avoiding 1.24
million pounds of carbon emissions.
The SeaLife Center is saving $15,000 a month in heating costs, a
savings that can be redirected to its conservation and research
programs.
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The center hopes this shows the potential for this type of
heating system throughout the state of Alaska, which has more
coastline than the rest of the country put together.
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: May 9, 2016, 6:44 pm
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[center]The Phononic solid state heating and cooling revolution
is almost here ;D [/center]
Lloyd Alter (@lloydalter)
Design / Green Architecture
May 9, 2016
SNIPPET:
Solid state cooling devices have been around for centuries,
since the Peltier effect was discovered. They are often used in
CPU coolers and even tiny iceboxes, but are not very efficient.
Phononic has significantly improved on them; as can be seen in
the video of their little fridge below, they have integrated the
basic chip with heat transfer systems that appear to make it
work better.
It is a road map familiar to those who watched the development
of LEDs, which were first rolled out as replacements for things
we already knew and understood, like light bulbs and fluorescent
tubes in computer monitors and TVs. Now LEDs are everywhere and
in everything.
Similarly, Phononic is now working with the world’s largest
appliance maker
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delivering
smaller units with more accurate temperature control and lower
power consumption. They are now branching into residential
refrigerators in Europe and Asia, (where we have noted that
small fridges make good cities). With Haier’s acquisition of
GE’s appliance division, no doubt totally silent fridges without
compressors will be arriving here soon too.
Solid state fridges have a lot more room inside because the
compressor is gone; solid state heat pumps could heat and cool
while taking up almost no space.
However the revolution this will cause in multifamily housing is
going to be even more significant. Currently most apartments are
heated and cooled by a vertical fan coil or heat pump units in
the corner of a room, with ductwork running under the ceiling to
the other rooms. Or they have noisy, inefficient through wall
heat pump units that are very high maintenance. Imagine
replacing all of that with a solid state heat pump with no
moving parts, a heating and cooling panel on the wall in each
room delivering what is needed when it is needed. They might
well be built into the floors for radiant heating and cooling.
This could make the design, operation and maintenance of
multifamily buildings so much easier.
And of course, getting rid of compressors also means getting rid
of refrigerants, which leak and which have serious global
warming potential. Another problem gone with solid state heating
and cooling.
I do not think I am overstating the case when I suggest that
just as the transistor revolutionized electronics, and the LED
is in the process of transforming lighting, Solid state
thermoelectrics are going to revolutionize heating and cooling.
Since the form of our homes and buildings has always been a
function of how they are heated and cooled, it might we change
that as well.
in 2014 I thought we were on the verge of a cooling revolution;
now I think it is even bigger than that. It is a cooling,
heating and design revolution.
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Agelbert NOTE: For those that live in the reality based
community (fossil fuel industry defending wishful thinkers
wouldn't know reality if it bit them in the ass), the solid
state heat pump technology will knock out fully 75%, on the
average, of energy DEMAND from an average home. That MEANS that
the solar panel input can then be used to power a HIGHER
PERCENTAGE of the home AND ALSO make MORE RENEWABLE ENERGY JUICE
available to charge EVs and supplement grid power.
For those who are not following where this inevitably leads,
just look at Energy use stats for ALL the homes in the USA now
in BPD (barrels per day). THEN subtract 75% of that...
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> "Hitting peak oil will come faster than any of us think. But
don't blame dwindling supply — it's all about disappearing
demand" Amory Lovins
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: May 27, 2016, 8:00 pm
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May 18, 2016
Authors Mark Dyson
ManagerEdison Almeida
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The Business Value of Demand Flexibility[/center]
In this digital age, electricity is the lifeblood of our
society. After any major disruptive event, the top priority is
to restore electric power service. Without power we lack heat,
air conditioning, communications, financial services, and access
to the Internet, pretty much sending us back to the Stone Age.
But who can afford building more electric power capacity? There
are over one billion kilowatts of installed power capacity in
the U.S. At such a large scale, increasing capacity even by a
few percentage points is very expensive. Experts have forecast
the need for $1.4 trillion of investment through 2030 to meet
growing demand and replace aging infrastructure in the U.S.
alone.
Fortunately, in today’s Internet-connected world, we can take a
lower-cost approach, similar to the method that telecom, cable,
and Internet companies have been using for decades to manage
peak demand on their networks. Instead of building redundant
capacity for each user, these networks intelligently manage both
demand and supply.
Now, it’s possible to apply the same logic to energy demands:
software can help lower coincidental demand peaks for a business
using the same proven “queuing” approach as other networked
industries. And at scale across thousands of buildings, this
building-level demand flexibility can help lower peak demand for
the grid, saving all customers the cost of building new power
plants.
[center]Peak demand drives high costs for the grid and
businesses[/center]
Although the grid rarely uses 100 percent of electric power
capacity, power plants to provide that capacity must be in place
when needed. Currently, the average capacity utilization of the
American electric grid is only about 55 percent, and it’s
getting worse as peak demand rises while total sales fall. This
means that about half the time, on average, power plants are
sitting idle.
What causes this? Many homes and businesses don’t use much
energy all the time, but when a thermostat’s mercury spikes,
demand soars. Analysis of the electricity bill data of several
major retailers and telecom companies reveals a pervasive trait:
just four percent of their total energy use drives about 40
percent of their total peak demand. In other words, a tiny
amount of energy use, occurring at the peak hours and largely
driven by air conditioning, requires a lot of capacity that
isn’t needed during the other hours of the year.
Why does this happen? Many common loads, including typical air
conditioners, motors, pumps, charging stations, heaters, and
others, often happen to turn on at the same time, creating
coincidental energy peaks. This increases costs for the utility,
which must have available capacity to meet these peaks.
In order to address this phenomenon, utilities typically impose
“demand charges” on commercial and industrial customers, meaning
that the customer pays each month for the maximum power demand
at their meter during any given interval. These charges,
combined with the “peakiness” of typical commercial loads, mean
that only four percent of a business’s energy use drives 40
percent of the monthly demand charges a business must pay. With
typical demand charges of $5–15 per peak kW per month, this peak
energy can drive additional costs on the order of thousands of
dollars per building per year.
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For business customers, demand charges can comprise up to 40
percent of their utility bills, and these costs are on the rise.
For example, there have been dramatic demand-rate increases of
over 50 percent in the past five years in the PG&E service area
in California. As utilities around the country grapple with new
rate designs to better reflect system costs, it is likely that
managing demand charges will become even more important.
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[center]New opportunities to manage demand charges[/center]
Traditionally, limiting demand charges has not been an easy
problem to solve, and most executives have treated electricity
costs as a “must-pay” expense.
Fortunately, in today’s IT-driven world, it is increasingly easy
for businesses to effectively manage growing peak energy demand
costs. By unlocking the potential of demand flexibility,
businesses can use software services to manage peak demand and
achieve significant savings on their monthly bills at scale.
One approach to unlocking the value of demand flexibility is by
queuing connected loads using low-cost computer systems. In
other words, it’s possible to keep these loads from all turning
on at the same time and creating very expensive and unnecessary
coincidental energy peaks by simply using a software upgrade.
Consider how network companies (phone, internet, and cable)
manage peak demand on their networks. Whenever you place a call
on your cell phone, click the button to watch a digital video,
or push the send button of your email, you do not connect
immediately; rather, your request is placed into a queue, and
the system defines the optimum time for connection while still
meeting your needs for timely service.
The same logic works for electricity loads: software can help
manage demand variations with small adjustments that can add up
to shrink the peak. With these methods, energy delivery is
usually delayed for only a matter of seconds. For loads like air
conditioners, this is practically imperceptible; temperatures
don’t rise appreciably in the time it takes for energy to be
queued, but peak demand can be lowered dramatically.
[center][b]Benefits for businesses and the grid[/b][/center]
With falling computer costs and rising demand charges, lowering
peak demand can pay off very quickly for a business—sometimes in
less than a year. Lowering peak demand also creates value for
the grid; RMI’s recent analysis found a potential for $13
billion per year in savings for the grid, from just a few smart
appliances in each household in the country. The savings
potential for commercial and industrial buildings is likely just
as large.
Today’s $300 billion per year electricity industry leaves about
half of its available capacity idle, increasing costs for all
customers.
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Business-led demand flexibility approaches can save companies
money while dramatically improving the utilization of our
trillion-dollar grid, leading to savings for all of us.
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 11, 2016, 4:54 pm
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[center]Apple Is Generating So Much Renewable Energy It Plans to
Start Selling It
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Lorraine Chow | June 11, 2016 10:52 am
Apple is seeking to sell a whole different product. No, not
cars—yet. Try renewable energy. The iPhone maker has created an
energy subsidiary in Delaware called Apple Energy LLC to sell
surplus electricity generated by its various renewable energy
projects.
Documents seen by PV Tech show that Apple has applied to the
U.S. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) to sell excess
power from solar panels on top of its Cupertino, California
headquarters as well as energy generated by its solar farms,
hydroelectric plants and biogas facilities across the country.
This is big news. Most corporations usually sell surplus energy
to power companies, but the tech titan is basically creating a
green energy pipeline to consumers.
“If Apple’s application is approved, it will be able to sell
electricity directly to its customers—eliminating the need for
utility power,” PV Tech observed.
In the FERC filing, Apple has requested to sell energy at market
rates rather than wholesale since it’s not an major energy
company and cannot influence electricity prices, PV Tech noted.
“Applicant seeks the same blanket authorization and waivers of
the commission’s rules and filing requirements previously
granted to other entities authorized to transact at market-based
rates,” Apple’s tariff states.
The Apple blog 9to5Mac suspects that Apple’s FERC filing is
following in the footsteps of Green Mountain Power, which also
sells renewable energy to homeowners. Another guess is that
Apple’s potential new energy company could help fuel Apple’s
long-rumored electric car project.
Apple has requested the tariff be granted within 60 days of its
June 6 filing, so we’ll have to wait until then to see if it
takes off.
In recent years, Apple has worked hard to shrink its global
carbon footprint, and CEO Tim Cook is known for being a green
leader.
“Climate change is one of the great challenges of our time, and
the time for action is now,” Cook said. “The transition to a new
green economy requires innovation, ambition and purpose.”
The company boasts that all its data centers and most of its
stores and corporate offices are now powered by green, renewable
energy. Apple has plans for 521 megawatts of solar projects
globally, as well as other investments in hydroelectric, biogas
and geothermal power, which generates enough power to cover 93
percent of its worldwide energy usage. The company wants to
eventually operate with 100 percent renewable energy.
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Agelbert NOTE: This should be interesting. FERC has always
defended the fossil fuel industry and utility energy slanted
(i.e. monopolistic) playing field.
But FERC has always been for sale to the highest bidder. Apple
has a lot of money = influence.
Apple, seeing a very profitable opportunity to outcompete some
ossified business models among the utilities, is going to get in
on the utility energy market share with Renewable Energy, after
they "convince" the appropriate officials at FERC to drop the
fossil fuel friendly road blocks, of course.
Any port in the global warming storm, I always say. ;)
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
DIR By: AGelbert
Date: June 11, 2016, 6:58 pm
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[center]World’s First Large-Scale Carbon-Neutral Brewery Now in
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Lorraine Chow | June 10, 2016 11:57 am
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[center]Heineken's brewery in Austria has achieved its goal of
becoming the first CO2 neutral brewery of its scale in the
world. Photo credit: Heineken[/center]
The facility, which kicked off its green upgrades back in 2003,
has now met 100 percent of its energy needs via clean power
sources including hydropower, solar thermal energy from a
1,500-square-meter photovoltaic array and biomass district
heating, in which 40 percent of the brewery’s heat requirements
comes from surplus heat discharged from a neighboring sawmill.
The site is also incredibly savvy with waste. It hosts its own
grain fermentation plant that converts production waste into
biogas—the first plant of its kind a major brewery. The grain
fermentation plant converts 18,000 tons of the brewer’s grains,
filter residues and other byproducts from beer-making process
into biogas annually. Residues from the fermentation plant are
used as fertilizer.
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Here are some other eco-friendly strides the brewery—a finalist
for the 2016 European Union Sustainable Energy Award—has
achieved:
•Ninety percent of the waste heat generated in the brewing
process is used to heat water
•A new type of boiling system is used during the brewing
process, which helps to save electricity and water
•Energy generated from brewery residues will be used to generate
steam and any excess volumes will be converted into electric
current
•100 percent of raw materials used at the Göss Brewery come from
Austria
As Inhabitat reported, the brewery’s operations will cut carbon
emissions from approximately 3,000 tonnes a year to zero.
“Through a combination of innovative technology, creative
thinking and partnerships with our local community, we have
turned a heritage brewery into the world’s first major zero
carbon brewery,” Göss brew master Andreas Werner told the
publication.
“Our Göss brewery may be in a small town but our goal was to
make a big impact. I am proud of what we have achieved for the
Heineken Company and want to help our other breweries, and the
wider brewing industry, make renewable energy part of their
energy mix, just as we have done.”
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[/center]The Göss Brewery’s zero carbon status is only one
example of Heineken’s overall environmental goals. According to
a blog post from Michael Dickstein, Heineken’s global director
of sustainable development, the beer-maker is now the world’s
largest user of solar energy in beer production.
The company’s Brewed by the Sun campaign boasts a number of
solar achievements including:
•100,000 glasses of Wieckse beer brewed through solar energy at
the Den Bosch brewery in the south of the Netherlands
•Birra Morretti Baffo d’Oro is brewed with 100 percent Italian
malted barley and 100 percent Italian sun
•The company’s rooftop solar installation in Singapore, which
brews the local Tiger beer, is the size of three football
pitches
Heineken, the world’s third-largest brewer, is aiming to slash
40 percent of carbon emissions from global productions by 2020
through its Brewing a Better Future strategy.
The beer brewing industry is not immune to the effects of
climate change. In the U.S., the ever-changing environment is a
threat to the domestic beer market, as Ceres wrote:
Warmer temperatures and extreme weather events are harming the
production of hops, a critical ingredient of beer that grows
primarily in the Pacific Northwest. Rising demand and lower
yields have driven the price of hops up by more than 250 percent
over the past decade. Clean water resources, another key
ingredient, are also becoming scarcer in the West as a result of
climate-related droughts and reduced snow pack.
Several U.S. breweries have integrated sustainability into their
business practices such as investing in renewable energy, energy
efficiency, water efficiency, waste recapture and sustainable
sourcing in order to reduce their environmental footprint.
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Agelbert NOTE: Expect some fossil fuel loving hairsplitter to
show up to yammer about fossil fuel powered tractors and other
farm equipment used to grow the beer ingredients giving the
alleged "lie" to this story.
The fact is that ALL farm machinery can be run on ethanol
Renewable Energy biofuels, never mind the fact that EV farm
machinery is perfectly feasible due to the ease of harvesting
solar and wind energy on the farm to charge farm machinery
(which does not have to move very far at all) batteries in a
sustainable and renewable fashion.
But those "details" are somehow always "forgotten" by the fossil
fuelers... ::)
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Re: Carbon Neutral Buildings
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Date: June 12, 2016, 12:01 am
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> [quote]But those "details" are somehow always "forgotten" by
the fossil fuelers...
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Some details are also forgotten by those besotted by Renewables
- like the infrastructure's embedded energy.
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basically a diesel engine with wheels bolted on and CAN'T be
electrified), the transport infrastructure (trucks and roads),
the retail shops, the vehicles to get to the shops and back.
For some of those items, you would only count a proportion of
the energy towards the energy budget of beer, obviously.
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Palloy, the hairsplitting, snark infested, sarcastic mocker of
anything that smacks of a solution to our planetary crisis
ARRIVES. ::) Your, "all Renewable Energy has a large fossil
fuel energy component", therefore Renewable Energy is not a
solution" purist bullshit is BORING, unrealistic, tiresome and
irrelevant to the world's energy demand SOLUTION, WHICH IS the
ongoing transition to 100% Renewable Energy.
I wish to point out, ONCE AGAIN, how ALL that infrastructure you
mentioned CAN and DOES run quite well on 100% PLUS Renewable
Energy, even if most of it does not now BECAUSE your beloved
fossil fuel Fascists have consistently gamed the energy source
and use market with laws and subsidy THEFT.
SNIPPET from an article by Bill Ritter, Colorado’s 41st
governor.
Fossil fuels enjoy a variety of targeted tax benefits as well as
MLPs. Denying the same mix to renewable energy investors
perpetuates federal policies that have long picked fossil fuels
as the winners. The PTC/ITC and MLPs should not be an either/or
issue.
Bill Ritter served as Colorado’s 41st governor. He is currently
the director of the Center for the New Energy Economy at
Colorado State University.
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There is too much fossil fuel industry corruption in, and
collusion with, our government. The fact is that fossil fuel
industry has succeeded in getting EIA to the absurdly ridiculous
conclusion that pushing "natural" (i.e. FRACKED) gas is in the
"Public" (see: Fossil fuel Corporate Profits) Interest.
If the "Public Interest" by Federal Agencies was not being
equated to JOB SECURITY INTEREST for the fossil fuel industry,
then the allegations from the EIA that "natural" gas power
plants are "cheaper" to build and have greater "capacity" than
renewable power generation from wind would be summarily
dismissed as contrived numbers gaming.
The EIA, like the EPA and FERC, continue to cherry pick
thermodynamic science and energy costs, while totally IGNORING
the social costs of carbon per ton (now a minimum of 11 dollars
per ton), in order to continue to fraudulently PICK FOSSIL FUELS
as WINNERS.
In a sane world, the "IN the PUBLIC INTEREST" award for any
energy generation source cannot be awarded without considering
the SCC (social cost of carbon).
Fossil fuels are in the fossil fuel industry's interest, not the
PUBLIC INTEREST.
Thermodynamic efficiency did not, and does not, have anything
whatsoever to do with the prevailing use of fossil fuels, as you
consistently, and erroneously, claim.
People like you always want to reduce this to a cost estimate
game. But it is really an ethical issue. I read this in an
excellent article on GRIST about discount rates and estimating
carbon pollution costs to society.
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> Say you could ask the people of 2100 (some of whom may be your
children or grandchildren), “would you rather inherit $1
trillion in cash or $1 trillion worth of avoided drought, storm,
and famine?” Which do you think they would choose?
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> They will have lost biodiversity, up to half the species on
the planet. They will have lost millions of acres of old-growth
and tropical forest, most of the world’s coral reefs, and the
bulk of world’s annual sea ice.
>
> Those things will never return, not in time spans relevant to
our species. The natural world that has provided us sustenance
since we were primates can not be restored once it’s gone. And
there’s more to the biosphere than the “services” it provides
humans. Some damages cannot be captured in dollar terms.
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It's a long article. They use pictures of otters to try make the
math less boring. But it's good reading IF you aren't biased in
favor of dirty energy. ;)
When you decide to figure in the subsidies, gamed laws and SCC
(social Cost of Carbon - now between 11 and about 57 dollars a
ton, depending on the discount rate used) in your energy math,
we can talk.
Otherwise, take your cherry picked numbers designed to pick
fossil fuels as sine qua non energy winners elsewhere.
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> I dutifully drink my beer from aluminium cans on the grounds
that they are expensive enough to recycle, whereas glass isn't,
not at my distance from the rest of the world anyway. Probably
aluminium isn't worth recycling energy-wise either, and you are
welcome to have the solar-powered aluminium smelter near your
backyard, but they don't sell beer in glazed stoneware flagons
any more.
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BECAUSE of the subsidies, gamed laws and SCC, fossil fuels ARE
NOT in the public interest. Fossil fuels are in the interest
ONLY of the fossil fuel industry, PERIOD.
Enjoy your beer and your energy costs cherry picking ignorance,
fossil fueler.
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