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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: GraceAdams Date: June 11, 2014, 12:41 pm
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Replacing fossil fuel with renewable energy in 30, 20, 15, or
even 10 years is certainly technically feasible. Compared to
burning every bit of fossil fuel left, it had better be
economically feasible. Main obstacle is political. National
government of United States is owned by too big to fail
corporations including 12 too big to fail fossil fuel firms that
still provide most primary energy used in US. Major
stockholders and high executives of our too big to fail
corporations are our ruling class and just as much entitled to
respect, power, and lion�s share of income, as old nobility in
Europe ever was.
Much money will be needed for both renewable energy and coal as
mineral rights to keep it underground. Prohibitive tariff
effect is needed both for emissions for incentive to reduce as
much as soon as possible and for energy to reduce demand to what
renewable energy will fit in space available. From what Tom
Rand said in �Kicking the Fossil Fuel Habit� c 2007, replacing
fossil fuel fired electricity with renewable energy including a
national smart electric grid to integrate wind and solar
assuming prohibitive tariff effect of 70% tax to reduce demand
25% should cost between $4 and $5 trillion total. I hope algal
bio-fuels can replace petroleum starting sometime in 2020s for
similar amount assuming prohibitive tariff effect of 25%. To
reduce amount of reserves to buy, I recommend making a deal with
our 12 too big to fail fossil fuel firms to put all small
independent fossil fuel firms out of business by fiat (so too
big to fail firms get their market share) in exchange for 5
years to phase in tax on emissions to $35/metric ton CO2eq=
$116.67/short ton carbon content of coal before starting to buy
coal as mineral rights. From 5th year also phase in tax on
energy to bring total of both taxes to 70% of consumer spending
on energy. And also demand electric utilities wait their turn
for leases of renewable energy equipment, so replacement of
fossil fuel with renewable energy will be orderly. Since all 12
firms are publicly traded they must file P&L, so government can
tell when their revenues and profits decline from taxes and
renewable energy and start buying fossil fuel reserves to bring
their sales up to business as usual. In return, fossil fuel
firms suspend exploration.
Our too big to fail fossil fuel firms also need to be kept busy
with tasks more constructive than extracting fossil fuel: 1)
Starting this summer, use dredges and compressors mounted on
barges towed by tugboats to capture as much as possible of
methane leaking along coast of Alaska, and offer whatever
technical assistance other nations with Arctic coasts will
accept from us. In winter rather than get frozen in, explore
coasts of lower 48 states plus Hawaii and Puerto Rico for
methane about to leak. Government should buy most of it for
strategic reserve to help stabilize price of both natural gas
and US dollar. Some of it can replace natural gas from fracked
wells. 2) Drill wells and frack hot rock reservoirs for enhanced
geothermal systems. Since at greater depth and object is to
extract heat, not fossil fuel, less chance of contaminating
drinking water. Once all top layers of hot rock reservoirs are
done right, fossil fuel firm can deal direct with utility for
re-drilling. 3) Drill nice tunnels (like Disneyland�s basement)
for both desalinated seawater to adapt to drought and HVDC lines
for national smart electric grid (to get them away from
weather-related disasters). 4) When Algae Systems algal
bio-fuels get almost cost competitive with petroleum products,
fossil fuel firms should start operating Algae Systems modules
leased from government and selling algal bio-fuels. Once algal
bio-fuels get fully cost-competitive with petroleum products,
government should barter Algae Systems modules for tar sands
reserves as mineral rights to get them off market.
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: AGelbert Date: June 11, 2014, 3:19 pm
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[font=times new roman]Welcome Grace Adams. [/font]
This knowledgeable and down to earth realist who sees clearly
the possibly insurmountable difficulties those of us, who want a
viable biosphere for future generations, face, is a worthy and
erudite advocate of what is possible and what is not. Listen to
Grace Adams. She knows of what she speaks!
[font=times new roman]Thank you for your presence, Grace
Adams.[/font]
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: AGelbert Date: June 11, 2014, 3:27 pm
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Grace,
I have an idea to spread your posts around the internet. I'm
going to do my hour of walking exercise now but later I will
link to your post a packaged link that you can provide a few
different labels for and then post them in replies on Disqus.
That way, more people can hear your voice. That will bring
people here who want to comment on your views and you can have a
sort of multifaceted blog right here with the rest of us. This
is one time when we need more "cooks" to keep the "soup" from
spoiling. ;D
I will explain the difference between forum code links and
Disqus HTML if you are not versed in them. Every bit of truth we
can get out there helps.
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: GraceAdams Date: June 11, 2014, 4:21 pm
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I don't even get html on Disqus. Sorry to be such a luddite.
I am getting old and absent minded.
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: AGelbert Date: June 11, 2014, 6:47 pm
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Grace,
No problem.
Here's a quicky 5 minute course in posting a link to any post
you make here to forum and or Disqus:
First, below is the link to your post:
HTML http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/global-warming-polictical-obstacle-to-fighting/msg1348/#msg1348
Now, you could just slap that down directly on Discus comments
or some forum but it looks kind of long. You want something
short and snappy that will catch the eye and the interest of the
reader.
This link below goes to your link in forum code:
[I]Political Obstacles to Needed GW Actions[/I]
HTML http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/global-warming-polictical-obstacle-to-fighting/msg1348/#msg1348
This below goes to your link in Disqus with the text "Political
Obstacles to Needed GW Actions" ([color=red]but any text, no
matter how short or long will work). :
<a
href="
HTML http://renewablerevolution.createaforum.com/general-discussion/global-warming-polictical-obstacle-to-fighting/msg1348/#msg1348">Political Obstacles to Needed GW Actions </a>
Make a wordpad document titles something like, "My posts" or
"Today's posts". Copy the above format into it like several
times like this:
<a href="LINK HERE">TEXT HERE</a>
<a href="LINK HERE">TEXT HERE</a>
<a href="LINK HERE">TEXT HERE</a>
<a href="LINK HERE">TEXT HERE</a>
<a href="LINK HERE">TEXT HERE</a>
Then, every time you read something you like or post something
that you want to disseminate, just insert the link in the canned
format and add eye catching text. You can then paste that in
any Disqus comment. You save your document every day and you
slowly build up a record of posts that you may remember to use
another day to answer or educate someone on the internet. It
saves a LOT of time. ;) ;D
Don't hesitate to ask any questions. I, for example, still do
not know how to do colored text in disqus but I can do just
about everything in forum code.
In forum code, whenever you want to see the guts of the code of
a post that has a link, just right click on the QUOTE button and
OPEN IN NEW TAB. You can then copy and paste the code for a link
to your "Today's Posts" wordpad document.
If you are interested in livening up forum posts with animated
graphics, save the following link as a "How to" reference with
lots of examples of snappy graphics (
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: AGelbert Date: June 12, 2014, 3:31 pm
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Grace,
I just cooked up this idea to get people on board with the big
push for 100% Renewable energy. Do you think it might catch on?
If it does, there are T-shirts, sweat shirts, bumper stickers,
posters, etc. that people can make to convince people that this
is the way forward.
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: GraceAdams Date: June 12, 2014, 4:15 pm
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I don't like coffee and don't drink it. On my budget I buy
hardly anything. I am very much NOT a salesperson--no talent
whatsoever for sales. I feel the mug looks about as good as
plastic coffee mugs in general. I wish some organization sort
of like 350.org would -- instead of just soliciting donations
for street theater -- sell in honor donation announcement cards
with a choice of e-card or snail-mail post-card and choice of
some coal as mineral rights or being guaranteed that the
donation would go to donor's choice of two or more kinds of
renewable energy. Care2 has a large assortment of cute e-cards
for various occasions, mostly free for members to send. I like
the idea of combining a donation towards something that would
actually do some good like buying fossil fuel as mineral rights
to hold it off the market or buying some sort of renewable
energy equipment to generate renewable electric power to help
the poor either here or in the third world with an e-card that
both entertains and informs the recipient about the issues.
Maybe that is because I have been volunteering at a non-profit
doing back office clerical work mostly for the person in charge
of fundraising and they accept in honor and in memory donations
and have a fairly nice looking copy of their logo with an
appropriate greeting printed on the back of the letter informing
the person honored that the donor has donated some money to the
organization in their honor.

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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: AGelbert Date: June 12, 2014, 7:10 pm
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Grace,
I hear you and applaud your volunteering. I don't plan to sell
coffee mugs. ;D I'm just trying to get some way of putting (AND
KEEPING) the pressing need for a 100% Renewable Energy
Transition in the public eye. Remember that the fossil fuelers
will always throw criticism of ANY industrial society product
like a coffee mug or sweatshirt or whatever at us. Of course any
product that pushes 100% renewable energy must be 100%
recycleable and not harm the biosphere; that goes without
saying.
You see, I am keenly aware of the tremendous power of
advertising. It was used to make people smoke cigarettes,
consume gobs of fossil fuels and buy into to the throw away,
consumerist, waste based society that big business and the
fossil fuel industry wanted with their planned obsolescence
"business (planet trashing) model". I have studied the late
nineteenth and early 20th century. Most of the truth about what
they did and how they did it is out there but is NOT taught in
the grade and high school history books. That's part of the
reason I have this forum.
Well, advertising is a tool that has been used to harm the
biosphere and make a few conscience free predators very rich.
Advertising WORKS! That doesn't make the tool itself evil. That
same tool, through its great power of persuasion, can be used to
get us OFF of fossil and nuclear poisons. We are herd animals.
Those of us that want a viable biosphere just need to figure out
how to get that herd moving in the right direction.
We can do this as an adjunct to the kind of very valuable work
you and people like you do in volunteering. I am pushing 70 and
have a dual chamber pace maker. I can't go out there and rock
and roll to change the world. BUT, I can write and put the
positive, beautiful future we can obtain through renewable
energy in people's minds with posters and whatnot. Graphics are
a very important part of internet communication. It's part of
our tool chest to bring positive change.
As to getting people to donate, I agree it is a good thing to
do. However, I want to get people to stop our government from
stealing from us. Here we are, "donating" 24/7 through fossil
fuel and nuclear power plant subsidies of all kinds for WHAT!!?
By reminding people of this day in day out, people, (most of
whom are living hand to mouth and just go on a guilt trip when
you ask them to donate because they are having enough trouble
feeding their families as it is in our fascist oligarchical
corporate state) see immediate value in doing SOMETHING they can
do right away to change the planet destroying paradigm we are
in. They will then start giving more importance to environmental
issues in elections and at the workplace instead of fighting
about wedge issues deliberately put out there to confuse and
divide the public.
There is storm going on. Advertising is one the ports in that
storm. Donations are good, but that will not stop the oligarchs;
only massive rejection of their profit over planet policies
will.
Do you drink tea? A tea mug works too! ;D
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
ocrastination
By: AGelbert Date: June 12, 2014, 8:10 pm
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Grace,
I forgot to mention that 350.org is doing some creative
fundraising. They set up a Climate Victory (Creatve Action
Network) section based on a WWII type motif and asked people to
draw posters and submit them. I'm not and artist but I sent in
two posters. They sell them for $26 each and promise to pay the
"artist" about $8. I'm not trying to sell you one! ;D You can
print the smaller versions from the gallery here free if they
suit your fancy. You can also upload anything you want to the
gallery, by the way.
If you want see the way posters are advertised by Climate
Victory, just go here (these are links to my two posters).
HTML http://thecreativeactionnetwork.com/10540
HTML http://thecreativeactionnetwork.com/10532
There are many excellent posters (that put mine to shame :-[)
from real artists there pushing Climate Victory. They also have
art for fighting pollution and other important social subjects.
Check them out if you haven't done so.
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Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
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By: AGelbert Date: June 15, 2014, 2:17 pm
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