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       You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Procra
       stination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2013, 12:34 am
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       Robert F. Kennedy Jr: In the next decade there will be an epic
       battle for survival for humanity against the forces of ignorance
       and greed. It’s going to be Armageddon, represented by the oil
       industry on one side, versus the renewable industry on the
       other. And people are going to have to choose sides – including
       politically. They will have to choose sides because oil and
       coal, they will not be able to survive – they are not going to
       be able to burn their proven reserves. If they do, then we are
       all dead. And they are quite willing to burn it. We’re all going
       to be part of that battle. We are going to watch governments
       being buffeted by the whims of money and greed on one side, and
       idealism and hope on the other.
       Read more at
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       ONLY Renewable Energy AND its prudent use can get us from the
       Baked in left to the Biosphere Harmony right. I know what I
       want. How about YOU?
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: Eddie Date: October 10, 2013, 9:00 am
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       Put me in the green camp. Oil and coal should be only used to
       build the next stage of sustainable systems and then conserved
       for their non-fuel uses.
       Nice site, AG, and best of luck. You deserve wide readership.
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2013, 2:43 pm
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       Thank you Eddie. I will do my best to provide some food for
       thought and discussion.
       I'm still trying to figure this 'administrator' thing out. I
       feel like I'm in an aircraft cockpit with my start up checklist
       but I haven't found the location of the switches, fuel selector
       valve, throttle and most of the gages.  ???
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       I'll get it. I'm very stubborn about figuring something out. All
       this mental exercise will ward off Alzheimers too!  ;D
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: Surly1 Date: October 10, 2013, 6:43 pm
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       AG, you can vote my proxy on this one. Am with eddie.
       Have always enjoyed RFK Jr. and would wish for bigger things for
       him, except that I am afraid he would then be targeted by the
       same machine that has removed the Kennedys from the electoral
       process.
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 11, 2013, 5:33 pm
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       Than you Surly. We are going to win this, my friends.
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 11, 2013, 5:56 pm
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       Going All In with Renewable Energy
       Is the goal of using 100 percent renewable energy crazy,
       idealistic or achievable?
       Elisa Wood, Contributing Editor
       September 27, 2013  |  21 Comments
       After a monster tornado wiped out Greensburg, Kansas in 2007,
       killing 11 people, the community decided to rebuild with
       meaning. It set out to become one of the world's greenest
       communities.
       Today the town is among a growing number of jurisdictions that
       generates all of its electricity from renewable energy.
       Greensburg achieved a goal that many see as pie-in-the-sky.
       Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore several years ago drew jeers
       from his political critics when he proposed that the U.S. go all
       green within a decade. The jury remains out about the
       plausibility of a U.S.-size economy functioning with all
       renewables anytime soon. But Greensburg, with a population of
       less than 1,000 people, has demonstrated that it can work on a
       small scale. Others have done the same, among them Güssing,
       Austria; King Island, Australia; and Naturstrom, Germany.
       It's not just cities with the ambition. Eight nations are 100
       percent renewable or moving in that direction: Denmark, Iceland,
       Scotland, Costa Rica, Maldive Islands, Cook Islands, Tuvalu, and
       Tokelau. Add 42 cities, 49 regions, 8 utilities and 21
       organizations, and going 'all green' looks like a bona fide
       trend.
       Times have changed since the mid-2000s when a group that
       included the late Hermann Scheer, TIME magazine's 'Hero for the
       Green Century', first explored the idea. The group formed the
       Renewables 100 Policy Institute, but in the early years found
       that the concept was too "bleeding edge" for established
       non-profits, which declined to sign on.
       "Now that is starting to change," said Diane Moss, the
       institute's founding director. The Renewables 100 Policy
       Institute held its first international conference in April,
       drawing a crowd of more than 200 people. The presenters were not
       from the fringe of the green world, but were representatives of
       established advocacy organizations, elected officials, corporate
       executives and the head of the California Independent System
       Operator Corp.
       "If we want to fill our goal on a global scale it is important
       that regions like California, like Germany or other regions
       unify together in a movement to 100 renewable," said Harry
       Lehmann, Director of the German Federal Environment Agency at
       the conference. "We have to share our experience."
       Today, the Renewables 100 Policy Institute is actively
       supporting the trend and reports on global progress via the Go
       100 percent Renewable Energy project it created. An interactive
       map on the site tracks those pursuing and achieving the
       all-renewables goal. (The site is the source of the numbers
       above on how many jurisdictions the movement encompasses.)
       [I]full article here (plus some choice comments from yours truly
       ;D and Leon Lemoine )
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 11, 2013, 6:38 pm
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       Proof a one to two Decade Transition To 100% Renewable Energy is
       [I]DOABLE[/I]
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       The other day, a knowledgeable mechanical engineer I know stated
       this concern about the colossal challenge and, in his opinion,
       impossibility of switching to renewable energy machines in time
       to avoid a collapse from an energy to manufacture and global
       industrial capacity limitation in our civilizational
       infrastructure.
       He said:
       [quote]I admire your enthusiasm, and I agree with many of the
       points you make. Yes ICE (Internal Combustion Machines) waste
       high EROEI (energy return on energy invested) consistently, yes
       fossil fuels and conventional engineering has a warped distorted
       perspective because of the ICE, and yes we have an oil oligarchy
       protecting its turf.
       However say we hypothetically made all the oil companies
       dissappear tommorow and where able to suspend the laws of time
       and implement our favorite renewables of choice and then where
       tasked with making certain all of societies critical needs were
       met we'd have a tall order. The devil is in the details and
       quantities.
       Its the magnitudes, it's 21 million barrels per day we are
       dependent on. Its created massive structural centralization that
       can only be sustained by incredible energetic inputs. Not enough
       wind, and not enough rare earth material for PV's to scale and
       replace. We have to structurally rearrange society to solve the
       problem. Distributed solar powered villages, not big cities and
       surely not suburbia. I fear we'll sink very useful resources and
       capital towards these energy sources (as we arguably have with
       wind) when the real answer is structural change.[/quote]
       I have shown evidence that there are several multiples of the
       energy we now consume available just from wind power. This data
       came from a recent study by Lawrence Livermore Laboratory
       Scientists.
       He thinks we CAN'T do it even if we had enough wind because of
       the colossal challenge and, in his opinion, impossibility of
       switching to renewable enrgy machines in time to avoid a
       collapse from an energy required to manufacture and global
       industrial capacity limitation in our civilizational
       infrastructure.
       His solution is to survive the coming collapse with small
       distributed energy systems and a radically scaled down carbon
       footprint. Sadly, that option will not be available to a large
       percentage of humanity.
       Hoping for a more positive future scenario, I analyzed his
       concerns to see if they are valid and we have no other option
       but to face a collapse and a die off with the surviving
       population living at much lower energy use levels. :P
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       />happy to report that, although the mechanical engineer has jus
       t
       cause to be concerned, we can, in reality, transition to 100%
       Renewable Energy without overtaxing our civilizational
       resources.
       This a slim hope but a real one based on history and the word's
       present manufacturing might. Read on.
       I give you the logistics aiding marvel of WWII, the Liberty
       Ship. It was THE JIT (just in time), SIT (sometimes in time) and
       sometimes NIT (never in time because it was torpedoed) cargo
       delivery system that helped us win the war.
       This was a mass produced ship. These ships are a testament to
       the ability to build an enormous quantity of machines on a
       global scale that the U.S. was capable of over half a century
       ago.
       [quote]The Liberty ship model used two oil boilers and was
       propelled by a single-screw steam engine, which gave the liberty
       ship a cruise speed of 11 to 11.5 knots. The ships were 441.5
       feet long, with a 57 foot beam and a 28 foot draft.[/quote]
       [img width=640
       height=380]
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       [quote]The ships were designed to minimize labor and material
       costs; this was done in part by replacing many rivets with
       welds. This was a new technique, so workers were inexperienced
       and engineers had little data to go on. Additionally, much of
       the shipyards' labor force had been replaced with women as men
       joined the armed forces. Because of this, early ships took quite
       a long time to build - the Patrick Henry taking 244 days -
       but the average building time eventually came down to just 42
       days.[/quote]
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       height=480]
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       [quote]A total of 2,710 Liberty ships were built, with an
       expected lifespan of just five years. A little more than 2,400
       made it through the war, and 835 of these entered the US cargo
       fleet. Many others entered Greek and Italian fleets. Many of
       these ships were destroyed by leftover mines, which had been
       forgotten or inadequately cleared. Two ships survive today, both
       operating as museum ships. They are still seaworthy, and one
       (the Jeremiah O'Brien) sailed from San Francisco to England in
       1994.[/quote]
       These ships had a design flaw. The grade of steel used to build
       them suffered from embrittlement. Cracks would propagate and in
       3 cases caused the ships to split in half and sink. It was
       discovered and remediated.
       [quote]Ships operating in the North Atlantic were often exposed
       to temperatures below a critical temperature, which changed the
       failure mechanism from ductile to brittle. Because the hulls
       were welded together, the cracks could propagate across very
       large distances; this would not have been possible in riveted
       ships.
       A crack stress concentrator contributed to many of the failures.
       Many of the cracks were nucleated at an edge where a weld was
       positioned next to a hatch; the edge of the crack and the weld
       itself both acted as crack concentrators. Also contributing to
       failures was heavy overloading of the ships, which increased the
       stress on the hull. Engineers applied several reinforcements to
       the ship hulls to arrest crack propagation and initiation
       problems.[/quote]
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       height=480]
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       Heavily loaded ship
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       Today, several countries have, as do we, a much greater
       industrial capacity. It is inaccurate to claim that we cannot
       produce sufficient renewable energy devices in a decade or so to
       replace the internal combustion engine everywhere in our
       civilization. The industrial capacity is there and is easily
       provable by asking some simple questions about the fossil fuel
       powered ICE status quo:
       How long do ICE powered machines last?
       How much energy does it require to mine the raw materials and
       manufacture the millions of engines wearing out and being
       replaced day in and day out?
       What happens if ALL THAT INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY is, instead,
       dedicated to manufacturing Renewable Energy machines?
       IOW, if there is a ten to twenty year turnover NOW in our
       present civilization involving manufacture and replacement of
       the ICEs we use, why can't we retool and convert the entire ICE
       fossil fuel dependent civilization to a Renewable Energy Machine
       dependent civilization?
       1) The industrial capacity is certainly there to do it EASILY in
       two decades and maybe just ten years with a concerted push.
       2) Since Renewable Energy machines use LESS metal and do not
       require high temperature alloys, a cash for clunkers worldwide
       program could obtain more than enough metal raw material without
       ANY ADDITIONAL MINING (except for rare earth minerals - a drop
       in the bucket - compared to all the mining presently done for
       metals to build the ICE) by just recycling the ICE parts into
       Renewable Energy machines.
       3) Just as in WWII, but on a worldwide scale, the
       recession/depression would end as millions of people were put to
       work on the colossal transition to Renewable Energy.
       [size=14pt]HOWEVER, despite our ABILITY to TRANSITION TO 100%
       RENEWABLE ENERGY, we "CAN'T DO IT" ??? because the fossil fuel
       industry has tremendous influence on the worldwide political
       power structure from the USA to Middle East to Russia to China.
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       In other words, it was NEVER
       1. An energy problem,
       2. A "laws of thermodynamics" problem,
       3. A mining waste and pollution problem,
       4. A lack of wind or sun problem,
       5. An environmental problem,
       6. An industrial capacity problem or
       7. A technology problem.
       EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ABOVE excuses for claiming Renewable
       Energy cannot replace Fossil Fuels are STRAWMEN presented to the
       public for the express purpose of convincing us of the half
       truth that without fossil fuels, civilization will collapse.
       It was ALWAYS a POLITICAL PROBLEM of the fossil fuel industry
       not wanting to relinquish their stranglehold on the world's
       geopolitical make up.
       It drives them insane to think that Arizona and New Mexico can
       provide more power than all the oil in the Middle East. Their
       leverage over lawmakers and laws to avoid environmental
       liability is directly proportional to their market share of
       global energy supplies.
       They are threatened by Renewable Energy and have mobilized to
       hamper its growth as much as possible through various propaganda
       techniques using all the above strawmen.
       It is TRUE that civilization will collapse and a huge die off
       will occur without fossil fuels [i]IF, and ONLY IF,[/I]
       Renewable Energy does not replace fossil fuels. It is blatantly
       obvious that we need energy to run our civilization.
       It is ALSO TRUE that if we continue to burn fossil fuels in
       ICEs, Homo sapiens will become extinct. This is not hyperbole.
       We ALREADY have baked in conditions, that take about three
       decades to fully develop, that have placed us in a climate that
       existed over 3 million years ago.
       We DID NOT thrive in those conditions or multiply. This is a
       fact. We didn't really start to populate the planet until about
       10,000 years ago.
       The climate 3 million years ago was, basically, mostly lethal to
       Homo Sapiens. To say that we have technology and can handle it
       is a massive dodge of our responsibility for causing this
       climate crisis (and ANOTHER strawman from Exxon "We will adapt
       to that"
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       />CEO).
       Fossil fuel corporations DO NOT want to be held liable for the
       damage they have caused, so, even as they allow Renewable Energy
       to have a niche in the global energy picture, will use that VERY
       NICHE (see rare earth mining and energy to build PV and wind
       turbines) to blame Renewables for environmental damage.
       &#12288;
       [size=12pt]In summary, the example of the Liberty ships is proof
       we CAN TRANSITION TO RENEWABLE ENERGY in, at most, a couple of
       decades if we decide to do it but WON'T do it because of the
       fossil fuel industry's stranglehold on political power,
       financing and laws along with the powerful propaganda machine
       they control.
       &#12288;
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       />can we expect from the somewhat dismal prospects for Homo
       sapiens?
       1) Terrible weather and melted polar ice caps with an increase
       in average wind velocity in turn causing more beach erosion from
       gradually rising sea level and wave action. The oceans will
       become more difficult to traverse because of high wave action
       and more turbulent seas. The acidification will increase the
       dead zones and reduce aquatic life diversity. But you've heard
       all this before so I won't dwell on the biosphere problems that
       promise to do us in.
       2) As Renewable Energy devices continue to make inroads in
       fossil fuel profits, expect an engineered :evil4: partial
       civilizational collapse in a large city to underline the "you
       are all going to die without fossil fuels" propaganda pushed to
       avoid liability for the increasingly "in your face" climate
       extremes. ;)
       3) Less democracy and less freedom of expression from some
       governments and more democracy and freedom of expression from
       other governments in
       direct proportion to the percent penetration of Renewable energy
       machines in powering their countries (more RE, more freedom)
       and an inverse proportion to the power of their "real politik"
       Fossil Fuel lobbies in countries. (more FF power, less freedom).
       The bottom line, as Guy McPherson says, is that NATURE BATS
       LAST. Nature has millions of "bats". Homo sapiens has a putrid
       fascist parasite bleeding it to death and poisoning it at the
       same time. The parasite cannot survive without us so it is
       allowing us to get a tiny IV to keep us alive a little longer (a
       small percentage of renewable energy machines). It won't work.
       But the parasite has a plan. The IV will be labelled a
       "parasite" (the villain and guilty party) when Homo sapiens
       finally figures out he is going to DIE if he doesn't fix this
       "bleeding and poison" problem. Then the real parasite will try
       to morph into a partially symbiotic organism and Homo sapiens
       will muddle through somehow.
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       I think that the parasite doesn't truly appreciate the severity
       of Mother Nature's "bat".
       THREE FUTURE SCENARIOS:
       1. If the parasite (as a metaphor for a fossil fuel powered
       civilization) does not DIE TOTALLY, I don't think any of us will
       make it. :emthdown:
       2. If the the parasite takes MORE than 20 years to die, some of
       us will make it but most of us won't. :emthdown:
       3. If, in 2017, when the north pole has the first ice free
       summer (as I estimate), all the governments of the Earth join in
       a crash program to deep six the use of fossil fuels within a ten
       year period, most of us will make it.
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       &#12288;
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       />word about political power and real politik living in a fossil
       fuel fascist dystopia.
       IT simply DOES NOT MATTER what the 'real world", "real politik"
       geopolitical power structure mankind has now is.
       IT DOES NOT MATTER how powerful the fossil fuel industry is in
       human affairs.
       Fossil fuels have to go or Mother Nature will kill us, PERIOD.
       Pass it on. You never know when somebody on the wrong side of
       the Darwinian fence will read it and join the effort to save
       humanity.
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 20, 2013, 2:29 pm
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       A. G. Gelbert
       Anonymous (Of COURSE!) said, "Anyone who believes that we can
       eliminate fossil fuel and nuclear from the grid, without an
       unprecedented breakthrough in long term energy storage, needs a
       refresher course in Physics and Engineering."
       Anyone that thinks fossil fuels and nuclear power plants are not
       poisonous technology that remain the main source of energy use
       in civilization by any other means than corruption,
       externalizing costs and gaming the subsidy playing field needs a
       course in empire politics in the 20th century and a review of
       the history of Standard Oil and the Rockefeller empire. Neither
       the physics nor the thermodynamic properties of fossil fuels or
       nuclear fusion have anything whatsoever to do with it. The
       Manhattan project ALONE was bigger than the automobile industry
       while remaining secret. Not one penny of that was EVER recovered
       by the American public.
       As far as Energy Return on Energy Invested (EROEI) is concerned
       for fossil fuels, long before PV or wind power was envisioned,
       ethanol from farm crops was CHEAPER than gasoline but a huge
       alcohol tax and then prohibition forced ethanol out of the
       competition even though it is a HIGHER OCTANE FUEL than
       gasoline.
       And for those who think the lead spewing poison additive now
       banned from cars, tetra ethyl lead, is no longer poisoning
       children and adults, I'm sorry to tell you that in the USA it is
       LEGAL to put tetra-ethyl lead in aviation gasoline! So if you
       live near an airport with a lot of light plane general aviation
       traffic, you are getting showered with it. Of course they can
       design aircraft engines to run on ethanol instead of high octane
       tetra ethyl lead gasoline for high compression aircraft engines.
       Brazil has been doing it for years. The reason WE don't do it is
       because big oil is protecting more of its turf.
       For those who want to understand the ACTUAL physics and
       engineering proving renewable energy has ALWAYS been more cost
       effective than fossil or nuclear fuels, this detailed,
       multi-page article comparing the various energy source EROEI
       numbers (with ALL THE COSTS included) will clear up the doubts
       about the insanity of fossil fuel and nuclear power use in human
       civilization.
       In short, unlike renewable energy, fossil fuels and nuclear
       power never have been cost effective for civilization and the
       biosphere because governments controlled by these industries
       massively subsidize them though taxes, turn a blind eye to
       health costs the people must pay, and reward the small group of
       elite investors that hold stock in these poisonous industries.
       That is corruption, not thermodynamics.
       Hope for a Viable Biosphere of Renewables
       Why They Work  and Fossil & Nuclear Fuels Never Did
       Published July 17, 2012. | By A. G. Gelbert.
       
       Hope for a Viable Biosphere of Renewables
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       Snippet:
       When they fall back on the EROI formula Procrustean Bed with the
       claim that EROI only deals with energy density in fuels and not
       efficiency coefficients in different engine types, calmly remind
       them that gasoline is not customarily used for furnaces, room
       lighting, barbeque grills or to boil water; it’s used almost
       exclusively in the ICE (internal combustion engine).
       For these fossil fuel lackeys, water carriers and quislings to
       refuse to measure gasoline’s EFFECTIVE USABLE ENERGY when it is
       actually used in an ICE to do work is the height of duplicity.
       But this subterfuge by Rockefeller’s admirers is not new. As I
       have mentioned before, way back at the end of the 19th century,
       Rockefeller was flushing his gasoline waste product in the
       rivers by his refineries at night. He could not avoid producing
       gasoline in his refinery cracking towers (about 19 gallons of
       gasoline for every 42 gallon barrel of crude refined)*. When the
       automobile came out in the early twentieth century, the early
       car fuel called benzene had to be eliminated because that
       hydrocarbon is a carcinogenic. As you read above in the 1906
       Edison lab study, ethanol was considered competitive energy wise
       with gasoline.
       What did Rockefeller do? He lowered the price of gasoline
       (remember his cost was near zero because it had been a waste
       product of the refining process) so much that ethanol was priced
       out of the market**. It was a win-win for Rockefeller.
       It was only a matter of time before his nasty habit of flushing
       gasoline into rivers at night was going to get him and his
       refinery employees facing the wrong end of a shotgun from some
       irate farmer who noticed his horses and cows getting sick or
       dying when drinking the river water downstream of an oil
       refinery.
       So Rockefeller managed to change the flush operation from the
       rivers to the atmosphere and make a bundle out of it too. But
       this predatory capitalist wasn’t done killing ethanol yet. He
       gave millions to a temperance group that ultimately succeeded in
       Prohibition legislation banning the production and use of
       ethanol (ethyl alcohol), not just for drinking, but for ICE fuel
       as well (and you thought Prohibition was just the fundies not
       wanting you to get high on booze. Rockefeller USED the fundies
       to block ethanol competition).
       The reality was that the “cheap” gasoline was far, far more
       expensive than ethanol due to the atmospheric poisons
       introduced. It got even worse when tetra-ethyl lead entered the
       mix in the 1920s. It wasn’t until about 1973 that the severe
       damage from leaded gasoline was recognized and even so, to this
       day, unleaded gasoline is not mandatory in off road vehicles.
       Now that ethanol is out there and available once again as a
       competitor to gasoline, the fossil fuel enablers return with the
       familiar FALSE claims that ethanol is not competitive with
       gasoline and the poppycock that gasoline gets better mileage
       than ethanol.
       Call out these overeducated, Procrustean Bed, creative
       thermodynamics “geniuses” carrying water for the fossil fuel
       industry on their lies and distortions. Accuse them of being
       well aware of the above and deliberately distorting the fuel
       facts when they are actually applied to their use in engines.
       Tell them their Procrustean Bed EROI BS isn’t going to fly
       anymore.
       "*On average, about 19.5 US gallons (16.2 imp gal; 74 L) of
       gasoline are available from a 42-US-gallon (35 imp gal; 160 L)
       barrel of crude oil (about 46% by volume), varying due to
       quality of crude and grade of gasoline. The remaining residue
       comes off as products ranging from tar to naptha.[4]"
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       ** "The gasoline engine became the preferred engine for the
       automobile because gasoline was cheaper than alcohol, not
       because it was a better fuel. And, because alcohol was not
       available at any price from 1920 to 1933, a period during which
       the sale, manufacture, and transportation of alcohol was banned
       nationally as mandated in the Eighteenth Amendment to the United
       States Constitution. The amendment was repealed by the
       Twenty-First Amendment on December 5, 1933. In time to produce
       alcohol fuels during World War II. By the time World War II
       ended, the gasoline engine had become “entrenched” because
       gasoline remained cheaper than Alcohol, and widely distributed –
       gas stations were everywhere."
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       Full Knock Down Drag out Thread from above with article fueling
       the debate here
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: October 28, 2013, 2:30 pm
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       The Official Explanation for the German Energy Transition
       America's Power Plan
       [I]By Bentham Paulos[/I]
       October 28, 2013
       In a recent posting, John Farrell of the Institute for Local
       Self Reliance lays out three clear drivers for why Germans are
       going renewable at all costs.  He lauds their focus on bills
       (rather than rates), a clear long term energy policy, and the
       widespread participation in the energy economy facilitated by
       feed-in tariffs.
       Another side of the coin is what the politicians think of the
       energiewende.  Critics abroad seem convinced that German leaders
       will come to their senses and change course on energy.  Based on
       what the leaders say in their official documents, these critics
       are likely to be disappointed.
       First, some background.  There are two federal ministries
       responsible for energy, the Ministry for Environment, Nature
       Conservation and Nuclear Safety (BMU) and the Ministry of
       Economics and Technology (BMWi).  Until the recent election
       these were headed by Peter Altmaier and Peter Rosler.  (Rosler
       has resigned due his party's loss in the recent election.)
       With near unanimous support, the German parliament adopted
       legislation in 2010 that sets ambitious targets for carbon
       reductions, renewable energy and energy efficiency, and commits
       to a phase-out of nuclear power.  According to Altmaier, the
       environment minister for the Merkel Administration, “this is
       unprecedented and brings to an end decades of public debate in
       Germany.”
       While much international attention is paid to the rapid growth
       of solar energy and the phaseout of nuclear power, the
       legislation is a comprehensive energy policy, covering
       transportation, heat, and electricity use across the whole
       economy.
       German Energy Policy Goals
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       [I]Source: Dr. Martin Schöpe, Federal Ministry for the
       Environment[/I]
       Now that the political debate about whether is over, the issue
       now is how.  Most of the debate hinges on how to minimize costs.
       The bulk of our energy is to come from renewable sources by the
       middle of the century,” writes former economics minister Peter
       Rosler.  “At the same time, Germany is to remain a competitive
       business location.  This requires a complete restructuring of
       our energy system.”  With typical German practicality, member of
       parliament Hans-Josef Fell has said, “This is not a problem, it
       is a task.”
       Full article here:
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       [move]My comments to this positive, but overly conservative ,
       article.[/move]
       A. G. Gelbert
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       October 28, 2013
       I agree that Germany has exactly the right rationale and
       motivation to transition to 100% renewable energy as evidenced
       by this statement, “A policy of responsibility for the future,
       policy that also takes account of the interest of our children
       and grandchildren, means that wherever technologically and
       economically feasible it is our duty to choose an alternative
       form of energy supply.” .
       However, I do not agree that the transition must be so slow
       (100% STILL not reached by 2050).
       The renewable energy marketplace is extremely dynamic, unlike
       the ossified fossil fuel and nuclear power marketplace that
       responds at a glacial pace to consumer needs and health.
       Who would have said in the year 2000 that China would, in a mere
       decade, so completely overwhelm the solar panel market with mass
       produced, as well as reliable PV panels, that the price would
       drop vertiginously and the pace of implementation of this
       renewable energy technology would accelerate far beyond
       electrical grid penetration estimates?
       Germany, as well as most other countries in the world, CAN be
       powered totally, not just in the electrical grid, but in
       transportation systems too, by renewable energy technology by
       2030.
       How? What is lacking now that makes erudite individuals like Dr.
       Martin Schöpe, Federal Ministry for the Environment for Germany,
       make such conservative predictions?
       Large scale financing is what is lacking, not the desires of the
       people. The people want a 100% renewable energy powered
       civilization. The issue, as you pointed out, is not WHETHER, but
       HOW. I will add that, just as important, if not more so from a
       human civilization health perspective, is WHEN.
       To answer the question of financing, we need to zero in on who
       is mainly responsible for profiting from the old dirty energy
       infrastructure. This group of fabulously wealthy individuals has
       a much higher responsibility to aid the renewable energy
       transition by paying civilization back for what they owe the 99%
       for the environmental degradation that polluting energy has
       brought the biosphere.
       Simultaneously, these individuals that wield enormous financial
       leverage as well as political influence are dragging their feet
       because their fossil fuel and nuclear power assets turn into
       liabilities in direct proportion to the implementation RATE of a
       renewable energy powered civilization.
       For this reason, the powerful 1%, who, as I have detailed in a
       recent blog, OWN over 80% of the polluting energy
       infrastructure, must be held responsible for footing the bill
       for 80% of the renewable energy transition as well.
       This is vital because, otherwise, civilization will have to deal
       with the exponentially harmful effects on the biosphere of the
       snail's pace of renewable energy implementation favored by the
       elite while they orchestrate a transfer of responsibility for
       all the decommissioned fossil fuel and nuclear power plants to
       we-the-people. They profited from them. NOW they MUST pay the
       piper. It is in their best interests to do so but their greed is
       obviously interfering with logical thought.
       It's our job to convince the 1% that the longer they stand in
       the way, while pretending otherwise, the greater the negative
       biosphere consequences, not just for the "little people", but
       for the elite as well.
       A Renewable Energy Global Transition Tax of 80% of the net worth
       of the One Percenters may sound punitive and economically
       destructive but it is a simple cause and effect calculation that
       any serious analysis of our global economy would conclude is the
       BENEFIT the 1% have gotten and continue to get from polluting
       energy technology.
       Tell your government officials, "The 1% must carry the burden of
       responsibility in order to justify their continued privilege and
       power".
       It is the duty of the governments of the world to transition to
       a 100% renewable energy civilization, not some pie in the sky
       "nice" tree hugger thing to do. The free ride for the 1% is
       over. Let's make them pay their way instead of continuing to
       allow them to greedily force the rest of us to shoulder the
       lion's share of the renewable energy transition in order to
       allow them to cushion their polluting energy assets turned
       liabilities.
       Article Here:
       The 1%'s Responsibility to Shoulder 80% of the COST of a 100%
       Renewable Energy World
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       A. G. Gelbert
       October 28, 2013
       Tax the
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       />One Percenters to accelerate a transition to a 100% Renewable
       Energy Powered civilization. We CAN do it by 2030 if we make
       those that profited so much from polluting energy assets pay
       their proper (80%) share of the cost of the new technology.
       "Half of the world's richest one percent are Americans.
       According to Milanovic, the other half of the global one percent
       live in Germany, the rest of Europe, Latin America, and a "few
       Asian countries."
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       Re: You will have to pick a side. There is no longer Room for Pr
       ocrastination
       By: AGelbert Date: November 6, 2013, 1:12 am
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       Costa Rica Launches Carbon Trading, a First For a Developing
       Country
       SustainableBusiness.com News
       
       In September, Costa Rica's President, Laura Chinchilla, signed a
       decree launching the developing world's first carbon trading
       program, part of its plan to be carbon-neutral by 2021.
       Called the "Costa Rican Voluntary Domestic Carbon Market,"
       carbon credits will be issued and traded between local companies
       to compensate for emissions they can't reduce. As the name
       indicates, however, it is a voluntary program.
       Polluters can also buy Certified Emissions Reductions from the
       United Nation's Clean Development Mechanism, which invests in
       projects in developing countries.
       The credits will be used for forest protection and
       reforestation and other projects that capture and sequester
       carbon, reduce emissions and increase energy efficiency.
       Yes, Costa Rica has a "Department of Climate Change" - which is
       administering the program. Credits have started to be issued and
       trading begins next year.
       In a unique move, Costa Rica launched an environmental bank,
       aptly named BanCO2! - to broker carbon trades. The bank is
       setting up an exchange where companies can buy and sell carbon
       credits. Currently, it costs $5 for a ton of carbon.
       Costa Rica Carbon Bank
       BanCO2 will also make lower interest rates available to finance
       fuel-efficient cars and home energy retrofits.
       Costa Rico is one of eight countries to receive a $350,000 grant
       from the World Bank to assist in the design and implementation
       of a carbon market. And the World Bank's Carbon Fund is buying
       up to $63 million worth of forest-based carbon credits in Costa
       Rica's program. That will allow Costa Rica to expand its program
       that pays landowners to protect forests to an additional 340,000
       hectares.
       About 8000 landowners are paid $25 million a year to protect
       their forests. Most of the money comes from a tax on gasoline -
       the world's first national fee used to reduce emissions from
       deforestation and forest degradation.
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