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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 8, 2014, 9:07 pm
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Than you, Surly. ;D
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 18, 2014, 9:02 pm
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[font=times new roman]Thomas Hobbes, The English Works of Thomas
Hobbes, vol. 6 (Dialogue, Behemoth, Rhetoric) [1839] [/font]
[font=times new roman]
A DIALOGUE between A PHILOSOPHER & A STUDENT of THE COMMON LAWS
OF ENGLAND.
A DIALOGUE of THE COMMON LAW. [/font]
SNIPPET:
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[size=12pt][font=times new roman]P.
We have hitherto spoken of laws without considering anything of
the nature and essence of a law; and now unless we define the
word law, we can go no farther without ambiguity and fallacy,
which will be but loss of time; whereas, on the contrary, the
agreement upon our words will enlighten all we have to say
hereafter.
L.
I do not remember the definition of law in any statute. [img
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P. 😠
I think so: for the statutes were made by authority, and not
drawn from any other principles than the care of the safety of
the people. Statutes are not philosophy, as is the common-law,
and other disputable arts, but are commands or prohibitions,
which ought to be obeyed, because assented to by submission made
to the Conqueror here in England, and to whosoever had the
sovereign power in other commonwealths; so that the positive
laws of all places are statutes. The definition of law was
therefore unnecessary for the makers of statutes, though very
necessary to them whose work it is to teach the sense of the
law.
[25]
L.
There is an accurate definition of a law in Bracton, cited by
Sir Edward Coke: Lex est sanctio justa, jubens honesta, et
prohibens contraria.
P.
That is to say, law is a just statute, commanding those things
which are honest, and forbidding the contrary. From whence it
followeth, that in all cases it must be the honesty or
dishonesty that makes the command a law; whereas you know that
but for the law we could not, as saith St. Paul, have known what
is sin. Therefore this definition is no ground at all for any
farther discourse of law. Besides, you know the rule of honest
and dishonest refers to honour, and that it is justice only, and
injustice, that the law respecteth. But that which I most except
against in this definition, is, that it supposes that a statute
made by the sovereign power of a nation may be unjust. There may
indeed in a statute-law, made by men, be found iniquity, but not
injustice. ;)
L.
This is somewhat subtile. ;D I pray deal plainly. What is the
difference between injustice and iniquity?
P.
I pray you tell me first, what is the difference between a court
of justice, and a court of equity?
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L.
A court of justice is that which hath cognizance of such causes
as are to be ended by the positive laws of the land; and a court
of equity is that, to which belong such causes as are to be
determined by equity; that is to say, by the law of reason.
P.
You see then that the difference between [26]injustice and
iniquity is this; that injustice is the transgression of a
statute-law, 😉 and iniquity the transgression of the
law of reason 👍. But perhaps you mean by common-law,
not the law itself, but the manner of proceeding in the law, as
to matter of fact, by twelve men, freeholders; though those
twelve men are no court of equity, nor of justice, because they
determine not what is just or unjust, but only whether it be
done or not done; and their judgment is nothing else but a
confirmation of that which is properly the judgment of the
witnesses. For to speak exactly, there cannot possibly be any
judge of fact besides the witnesses.
L.
How would you have a law defined?
P.
Thus; a law is the command of him or them that have the
sovereign power, given to those that be his or their subjects,
declaring publicly and plainly what every of them may do, and
what they must forbear to do.
L.
Seeing all judges in all courts ought to judge according to
equity, which is the law of reason, a distinct court of equity
seemeth to me to be unnecessary, and but a burthen to the
people, since common-law and equity are the same law.
[color=blue] P.
It were so indeed, if judges could not err; but since they may
err, and that the King is not bound to any other law but that of
equity, it belongs to him alone to give remedy to them that, by
the ignorance or corruption of a judge, shall suffer damage.
L.
By your definition of a law, the King’s proclamation under the
Great Seal of England is a [27]law; for it is a command, and
public, and of the sovereign to his subjects.
P.
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Why not, if he think it necessary for the good of his subjects?
For this is a maxim at the common-law alleged by Sir Edward Coke
himself, (i Inst. sect. 306), Quando lex aliquid concedit,
concedere videtur et id per quod devenitur ad illud. And you
know out of the same author, that divers Kings of England have
often, to the petitions in Parliament which they granted,
annexed such exceptions as these, unless there be necessity,
saving our regality; which I think should be always understood,
though they be not expressed; and are understood so by common
lawyers, who agree that the King may recall any grant wherein he
was deceived.
L.
Again, whereas you make it of the essence of a law to be
publicly and plainly declared to the people, I see no necessity
for that. ;)
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Are
not all subjects bound to take notice of all acts of Parliament,
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P. If you had said that no act could pass without their
knowledge, then indeed they had been bound to take notice of
them; but none can have knowledge of them but the members of the
houses of Parliament; therefore the rest of the people are
excused.
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Or else
the knights of the shire should be bound to furnish people with
a sufficient number of copies, at the people’s charge, of the
acts of Parliament, at their return into the country; that every
man may resort to them, and by themselves, or friends, take
notice of what they are obliged to. For otherwise it were
impossible they should be [28]obeyed: and that no man is bound
to do a thing impossible, is one of Sir Edward Coke’s maxims at
the common-law. [/font][/quote]
Agelbert NOTE: Notice how the philosopher is cleverly taking the
Lawyer to task for attempting to assume that, just because
Parliament knows about a law it passed, the PEOPLE therefore
KNOW about it too ([i]and must obey it because they "know" about
it. LOL!). You are WITNESSING the birth of the elite
establishment through sophistic rhetoric. :o :P
Despite the fact that the philosopher appears elitist by giving
the King the "divine right to rule" prerogative, he is simply
using CFS to smell an elite rat in the group of fine folks
populating Parliament (and the Courts) in pretense of "ensuring
justice for the people".
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THIS is HOW it all started; a slow, steady elite SCAM to
"represent" us but keep the lion's share of power and privilege
for THEM after they had taken it away from the King through
clever arguments about "representative" democracy.
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[i]Here's the MONEY QUOTE that immediately follows in the
paragraph above from the philosopher. :emthup: I humbly
apologize for breaking it into two parts. I just had to throw my
two shillings in.
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[quote][font=times new roman]P. (continued from above) I know
that most of the statutes are printed; [color=red]but it does
not appear that every man is bound to buy the book of statutes,
nor to search for them at Westminster or at the Tower, nor to
understand the language wherein they are for the most part
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 19, 2014, 12:29 am
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Hitler's AMERICAN business partners EVEN AFTER THE WAR STARTED!
Standard Oil was INSTRUMENTAL in providing petroleum products
without which the NAZIs would NOT have been able to carry out
the Blitzkrieg!
And an Opel factory in Germany OWNED BY GM and bombed to rubble
by American bombers in 1944 was a LOSS for General Motors that
the USA REIMBURSED with the money of WE-the-PEOPLE to the tune
of 32 million dollars!
IBM was THERE too, big time. Their machines helped count slave
labor and targeted Jews!
And wait until you read about Henry Ford!
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Henry Ford being awarded THIS medal! :o
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NOW, notice the following Propaganda film. Notice that Krupp
industries is blamed, correctly, for many NAZI horrors by the
British while not one word is said about Standard Oil or any
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Fast forward to 2014, it seems the German people did learn the
lessons the British (and the U.S., of course) sought to teach
them. But WE did not.
The proof is the training of police officers in Germany post
war. It states in the video that police officers are to be
taught that they are the servants of the public, not the other
way around. They learned it. We forgot. Gott mitt uns! >:( :(
:P
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We are the fascists now.
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/>God will NOT help fascists. You have seen what He does to
Fascist regimes. Fasten your seat belt.
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 19, 2014, 5:34 pm
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Hitler's Mercedes
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 19, 2014, 6:40 pm
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Soviet Top Secret Operation (Operation Myth) revealed.
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 21, 2014, 6:51 pm
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[b]MANY hidden nuggets of history. :o[/b]
Did you know that FDR wanted to green the Sahara desert
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and had a real
world plan to do it but Churchill could not STAND the idea of
ANY country in Africa (along with India!) being independent of
British "interests" ("free" trade tyranny)? :o
Churchill JUSTIFIED this predatory outlook by referring to the
RACIST DARWINIAN concept, now totally debunked, of "superior"
races ruling over "inferior" ones. LOL!
Churchill raged about how EMPIRE is what made the British GREAT
and NOTHING must be allowed to interfere with the British
EMPIRE. FDR proceed clean his clock verbally. FDR had many
excellent post war plans. Wall Street had OTHER plans...
The Democratic party managed to replace FDR's GOOD Vice
President Henry Wallace, the one who would have implemented
FDR's policies, with Truman.
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And so we went down
the British RAT HOLE towards "free" trade fascism. along with
the TOTALLY unnecessary cold war. [img
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A foiled assassination attempt BY THE BRITISH the day of
Lincoln's first inauguration.
Why "free trade" is a British invention to keep countries poor
and backward. Nothing has changed.
A planned Bering Straight railroad bridge between Russia and the
USA, a north to south railway all the way from Alaska to the
southern tip of South America and other huge railroad projects
(Western Europe to India) threatened British sea power control
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/>so they sabotaged the plans. McKinley, a Lincoln admirer and
enemy of "free trade" Predatory Capitalism was killed for
actively supporting this rail expansion. >:(
Teddy Roosevelt was a WORSHIPPER of all things British (you will
learn exactly why! :o). With him all those great railroad plans
ere deep sixed and SHIP commerce (see British "interests" ;))
got a HUGE boost with the Panama (a country INVENTED by Teddy
for that specific purpose!) canal. ;D)
Woodrow Wilson was an AVID supporter of the Klu Klux Klan. >:(
You remember "bring DEMOCRACY to Europe" Wilson, don't you? ;D
My how things have changed...
Learn how The British started WWI by intrigue. Learn how all
these monarchs were related with each other, giving opportunity
for the British to divide and conquer. Learn how the goal of the
British was to destabilize many countries through war and
impoverish them in order to avoid a more unified world economy
not controlled by British "free trade" tyranny through their
mastery of the seas.
The British were losing the world property chess game, so the
went all out to knock over the chess board. It worked. :(
In fact, the British ensured the conditions after WWI were so
ONEROUS on the Germans that they, for all practical purposes,
were setting up another convenient (for the [img
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Hear Franklin Roosevelt, when first nominated to the Presidency,
describe Tickle Down Economics (1:14:00) as Tory Economics LONG
before you heard it during the Reagan Baloney years. Learn how
FDR defeated an attempt by the elite in HIS OWN PARTY to scuttle
FDR's chances at the nomination through skullduggery, wedge
politics and propaganda. They wanted to get a Wall Street
PRO-Fascsit in power. FDR figured it out and was able to counter
this intrigue.
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But the New Deal is DEAD now and it seems Wall Street Fascist
"free trade" tyranny is the destructive force behind our war
making and country destroying policies on behalf of the
oligarchs. [i]WE are the "British" ruthless war profiteering,
human misery ensuring "free trade" empire now.[/i] >:( :(
:P
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 21, 2014, 9:06 pm
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FDR 2 minute Video on Trickle Down "Economics" (in 1932! :o).
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 22, 2014, 1:48 pm
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The Japanese DID NOT surrender in WWII because the genocidal
atomic bombs were dropped!
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It was the destruction of their forces in Manchuria by the
Russians (who entered the war at that time) that convinced them.
The rationale was that the Russians would kill the Emperor AND
his family but the Americans wouldn't. General Curtis Lemay had
been fire bombing Japanese cities for almost a YEAR. Destruction
of entire cities and their populations had not caused the
Japanese to surrender. What you have been taught about the
atomic bombs "ending the war
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and
saving American lives
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pro-nuclear (genocidal) welfare queen propaganda. >:( Details
in the video.
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If Henry Wallace had been President instead of Truman, the
following predatory Capitalist, War Profiteering, profit over
planet PIGGERY would NOT have taken place. Renewable energy,
instead of being a tiny green sliver of token lip service, would
be over HALF of the pie chart. Numerous wars would have been
avoided. The planet would be healthier and the biosphere less
trashed and hopelessly compromised than it is now. Thousands of
species would not have gone extinct. We would be championing
LIFE instead of aiding a few conscience free corporate villains
to make fortunes from POLLUTION and DEATH. >:(
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 22, 2014, 9:09 pm
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The coup that replaced Wallace with Truman.
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Re: Key Historical Events ...THAT YOU MAY HAVE NEVER HEARD OF
By: AGelbert Date: October 22, 2014, 9:26 pm
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Meet Henry Wallace's grandson and learn what would have been if
Henry Wallace had been President.
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