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The Official Coronavirus Numbers Are Wrong, and Everyone Knows I
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By: Surly1 Date: March 4, 2020, 6:01 am
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As I noted elsewhere (on the Doomstead Diner Forum), "No data?
No problem." Does "slow-walking testing to keep a country’s
numbers low" sound familiar?
But Trump's sockpuppet Mike Pence will only get so far with his
gas lighting "pray-the-gay-away" approach to coronavirus.
The Official Coronavirus Numbers Are Wrong, and Everyone Knows
It
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Because the U.S. data on coronavirus infections are so deeply
flawed, the quantification of the outbreak obscures more than it
illuminates.
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[html]<div> <div> <section
itemprop="articleBody"> <p>We know, irrefutably, one thing
about the coronavirus in the United States: The number of cases
reported in every chart and table is far too low.</p> <p>The
data are untrustworthy because the <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'0',r'None'">proc
esses
we used to get them</a> were flawed. The Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention’s <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'1',r'None'">test
ing
p</a><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'2',r'None'">roce
dures</a>missed
the bulk of the cases. They focused exclusively on travelers,
rather than testing more broadly, because that seemed like the
best way to catch cases entering the country.</p> <p
data-id="injected-recirculation-link"><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'3',r'None'">Read
:
You’re likely to get the coronavirus</a></p> <p><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'4',r'None'">Just
days ago</a>, it was not clear that the virus had spread solely
from domestic contact at all. But then cases began popping up
with no known international connection. What public-health
experts call “community spread” had arrived in the
United States. The virus would not be stopped by tight borders,
because it was already propagating domestically. Trevor
Bedford’s lab at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research
Center in Seattle, which studies viral evolution, concluded
there is “<a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'5',r'None'">firm
evidence</a>” that, <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'6',r'None'">at
least in Washington State</a>, the coronavirus had been
spreading undetected for weeks. Now different projections
estimate that <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'7',r'None'">20</
a><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'8',r'None'">to
1,500</a> people have already been infected in the greater
Seattle area. In California, too, the disease <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'9',r'None'">appe
ars
to be spreading</a>, although the limited testing means that no
one is quite sure how
far.</p> </section> </div> </div> <div> <div
> <section
itemprop="articleBody"> <p>In total, fewer than <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'10',r'None'">500
people have been tested</a> across the country (although the CDC
has <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'11',r'None'">sto
pped
reporting</a> that number in its <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'12',r'None'">sum
mary
of the outbreak</a>). As a result, the current
“official” case count inside the United States stood
at 43 as of this morning (excluding <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'13',r'None'">cru
ise-ship
cases</a>). This number is wrong, yet it’s still
constantly printed and quoted. In other contexts, we’d
call this what it is: a subtle form of
misinformation.</p> <p
data-id="injected-recirculation-link"><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'14',r'None'">Rea
d:
What Trump could do right now to keep workers safe from the
coronavirus</a></p> <p>This artificially low number means
that for the past few weeks, we’ve seen massive state
action abroad and only simmering unease domestically. While
Chinese officials were enacting a world-historic containment
effort—putting <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'15',r'None'">mor
e
than 700 million people</a> under some kind of movement
restriction, quarantining <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'16',r'None'">ten
s
of millions of people</a>, and placing others under <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'17',r'None'">new
kinds of surveillance</a>—and American public-health
officials were staring at the writing on the wall that the
disease was <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'18',r'None'">ext
remely
likely to spread in the U.S.</a>, the public-health response was
stuck in neutral. The case count in the U.S. was not increasing
at all. Preparing for a sizable outbreak seemed absurd when
there were fewer than 20 cases on American soil. Now we know
that the disease was already spreading and that it was the U.S.
<i>response</i> that was stalled.</p> <p>Meanwhile, South
Korean officials have been <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'19',r'None'">tes
ting
more than 10,000 people a day</a>, driving up the
country’s reported-case count. Same goes for Italy: high
test rate, high number of cases. (Now <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'20',r'None'">som
e
Italian politicians want to restrict testing</a>.) In China, the
official data say the country has more than 80,000 cases, but
the real number might be far, far higher because of all the
people who had mild(er) cases and were turned away from medical
care, or never sought it in the first place. That may be cause
for reassurance (<a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'21',r'None'">tho
ugh
not everyone agrees</a>), because the total number of cases is
the denominator in the simple equation that yields a fatality
rate: deaths divided by cases. More cases with the same number
of deaths means that the disease is likely less deadly than the
data show.</p> <p data-id="injected-recirculation-link"><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'22',r'None'">Rea
d:
What you can do right now about the
coronavirus</a></p> <p>The point is that every
country’s numbers are the result of a specific set of
testing and accounting regimes. Everyone is cooking the data,
one way or another. And yet, even though these inconsistencies
are public and plain, people continue to rely on charts showing
different numbers, with no indication that they are not all
produced with the same rigor or vigor. This is bad. It
encourages dangerous behavior such as cutting back testing to
bring a country’s numbers down or slow-walking testing to
keep a country’s numbers low.</p> <p
data-id="injected-recirculation-link"><a
href="
HTML https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/coronavirus-quarantine-america-could-be-giant-legal-mess/606595/"<br
/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'23',r'None'">Rea
d:
A coronavirus quarantine in America could be a giant legal
mess</a></p> <p>The other problem is, now that the U.S.
appears to be ramping up testing, <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'24',r'None'">the
number of cases will grow quickly</a>. Public-health officials
are currently cautioning people not to worry as that happens,
but it will be hard to disambiguate what proportion of the
ballooning number of cases is the result of more testing and
what proportion is from the actual spread of the
virus.</p> <p>People trust data. Numbers seem real. Charts
have charismatic power. People believe what can be quantified.
But data do not always accurately reflect the state of the
world. Or as one scholar put it in a book title: <em><a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'25',r'None'">&ld
quo;Raw
Data” Is an Oxymoron</a></em>.</p> <p>The reality gap
between American numbers and American cases is wide. Regular
citizens and decision makers cannot rely on only the numbers to
make decisions. Sometimes <a
href="
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/>data-omni-click="r'article',r'',d,r'intext',r'26',r'None'">qua
ntification
actually obscures</a> as much as it reveals.</p> <p>We want
to hear what you think about this article. <a
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Don't Drink The Bleach
By: Surly1 Date: March 4, 2020, 6:05 am
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What You Can Do Right Now About the Coronavirus
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A lot of advice is going around, both good and bad. Here's some
good information in one place.
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James Hamblin
March 3, 2020
Over the past week, the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus
infection in the U.S. has more than doubled. It’s become
apparent that previous numbers were low, in part, because we
weren’t testing people for it. We now know that there has been
ongoing community spread, but to what extent is unclear.
For now, most American schools and offices are open, and few
public gatherings have been canceled. Life goes on for most
people, but with more push alerts and uncertainty about what to
do. Hopefully, the virus will hit various areas in waves,
scattering disease over a longer period of time, so that people
can be treated and society remains functional. A less preferable
scenario would be that too many people in a given area are out
of commission and in need of medical care. If this happens,
cities and states may go into shutdown modes to block further
viral spread, disrupting the economy and everyday life.
Everyone can help in the effort to prevent this from happening.
Unlike many global-health issues that depend on orchestration at
the highest levels of government, individual behaviors matter in
an immediate sense. The demographic most likely to survive an
infection—the young and healthy—may need to pay the closest
attention to preventive measures. These are the people who will
spread the disease while believing that they have only a cold.
They can infect the elderly, or people who have chronic diseases
or immune conditions, who are less likely to survive.
A lot of advice is going around, both good and bad. I hope it’s
helpful to compile some good information in one place. Much of
what follows is not original—generally don’t trust health advice
that no one else is giving—and please bear in mind that any
guidance can and should change as the situation develops, and
that local health departments and personal physicians may need
to tailor recommendations for specific scenarios. That said,
here are preventive measures that people are considering at the
moment, and some notes that are worth your time and attention.
Using hand sanitizer
It works. Use it often. Make sure it’s alcohol-based. There are
some “natural” products designed to be less drying to your
hands. These do not work.
Washing hands
This is always important, but especially now. Wash your hands
for 20 seconds, regularly. Note that soap works ideally in
combination with scrubbing and heat, but cold water works far
better than nothing. You do not need antibacterial soap; the
coronavirus is a virus, not a bacterium.
Cleaning hand towels
Wash them often, too.
Shaking hands
It’s not a clearly threatening practice, and physical touch has
its own value to consider, as do gestures of respect. But I’ve
been an advocate of alternative forms of greetings such as fist
bumps for years, and this outbreak doesn’t change that.
Touching your face
Avoiding touching your face is a nice idea and would be very
effective, but no one is going to stop touching their face.
Using bathrooms
Here’s an unproven suggestion from me that transcends this
particular outbreak: All business and public spaces should turn
their bathrooms’ doors around, so you push on the way out rather
than the way in. If building codes or other safety codes
prohibit this, install a foot pull. If none of this is possible,
at least put the trash can for paper towels outside the door so
everyone can use a paper towel to touch the handle.
Disinfecting common surfaces
The crux of all the focus on hand-washing is that you’re
unlikely to get the virus from someone coughing or sneezing
directly into your face. You are much more likely to catch the
virus by touching something that someone else touched after
coughing into their hand. This can partly be prevented by
disinfecting surfaces.
The most commonly touched surfaces in homes and offices,
especially shared spaces, are priority. Countertops, remote
controls, and refrigerator handles should be disinfected
regularly. That said, it’s very possible to become compulsive
about this in ways that have their own risks. Any given surface
is very unlikely to harbor a dangerous virus, so it’s possible
to overdo this and waste a lot of time, resources, and concern.
But if you’re the sort to typically only clean things that look
visibly dirty, do consider the invisible.
Cleaning phones
This one warrants its own special note because phone screens may
be the surface we touch the most. Other, similar coronaviruses
are known to live on glass for up to four days. If you’ve been
touching your phone with viral hands, then you do a beautiful
job washing those hands, and then you touch your phone again,
you may have just recontaminated yourself. I’m not suggesting
constantly cleaning your phone. The Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention currently recommends once a day, though I don’t
see how—if it’s worth doing at all—that would be often enough.
That said, I have never once cleaned my phone.
Wearing masks
Masks seem logical as preventive measures because the disease is
spread by respiratory droplets, which can travel simply by
breathing but mostly distribute in plumes from coughs or
sneezes. If you were sick and had to leave home for some reason,
ideally you would wear a surgical mask. But even this precaution
is far from perfect—the wearable equivalent of sneezing into
your elbow instead of right in someone’s face. You’re still
infectious and should behave accordingly. The World Health
Organization has published recommendations for when civilians
should use masks. But stockpiling also deprives other people who
might have needed to follow those guidelines.
Stockpiling masks
This week the U.S. surgeon general, Jerome Adams, urged
Americans to stop buying face masks. This is a matter of short
supply, should worst-case scenarios play out. In an ideal world,
people who live with other people would have masks on hand when
someone in the house gets sick, and they could help prevent
close-quarters spread. But this is not an ideal world, and masks
are needed for the people who are at the highest risk. When
doctors, nurses, and first responders cannot work, new crises
present themselves.
Stockpiling food
This mainly applies to people in remote areas where the town’s
one grocery store could close down. Closing the store would be
preferable to having sick employees report to work. In these
areas, it’s always advisable to have a short-term supply of food
(for any natural disaster), and this would be fair to treat
similarly. Elsewhere, supply chains could be threatened,
requiring certain shippers or grocers to close temporarily and
certain foods to become scarce in certain areas, but none of
this is cause for stockpiling.
Stockpiling prescription medications
Most U.S. prescription medications are made in China, whose own
outbreak has raised concerns about medication supply chains. As
of now, supplies have not been disrupted, and China is reporting
declines in the spread of the virus. As with food, though,
anyone who has a vital prescription and lives in a place where
access would be affected bythe single shutdown of a local
pharmacy or a public-transit system, for example, should always
have a small supply for emergencies. Health-care providers
should help ensure this.
Traveling
It’s always advisable to avoid travel if you’re sick. But no
stay home directive is sustainable for long periods, and urgent
life events will overlap with this outbreak. So guidance about
this will be targeted, and ideally informed by easy screening
and testing that can advise people with the sniffles whether
they are fine to get on a plane or should urgently
self-quarantine.
Staying home
This is an extremely imperfect directive, as so many people’s
jobs and other obligations make it impossible. But no single
recommendation is perfect or universally applicable. And
Americans have proved, flu season after flu season, that many
workplaces are not accommodating enough of staying home. If
workplaces are not accommodating, business may suffer even more
in the long run, if more shutdown measures are taken.
Seeking medical care
This may be the most crucial question: When do mild symptoms
warrant attention? Most people are not accustomed to seeking
care or testing when they have a mild cough or runny nose. My
hope is that, in the coming days and weeks, local and federal
officials share clear guidelines for exactly how and when to
seek medical attention early in the disease’s course. China’s
containment measures depended on early detection that isolated
people at the beginning of their infectious stage. Then again,
we can’t have everyone with a cough and sniffles rushing to
doctors’ offices.
South Korea, which has now identified some 5,000 cases, is
pioneering drive-through screening clinics. The idea seems
smart: There are no doorknobs to touch, no crowded waiting rooms
with magazines that have been coughed on for months. Maybe most
important, there is no paperwork to fill out and no cost. If an
outbreak hits a major city, clinics and hospitals will likely be
overrun with people who have cold and flu symptoms. Some of
those people will need reassurance that they can go home and
will be fine; others will need admission to a hospital; others
may need an intermediate level of care, monitoring, and
quarantine.
Being conscientious
No matter your position, there are people who stand to lose much
more than you do if they get sick. No matter how worried you
are, there are people who are more worried. Look out for them,
and help make sure everyone takes these basic measures and
doesn’t panic. Societies break down when people fear one another
as simply bipedal distributors of infectious agents. See people
as allies in this unique moment of uncertainty.
James Hamblin, MD, is a staff writer at The Atlantic. He is also
a lecturer at Yale School of Public Health and author of the
forthcoming book Clean.
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Re: New Pandemic?
By: AGelbert Date: March 4, 2020, 11:40 am
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Are you beginning to see how this works? 😨
By: AGelbert Date: March 5, 2020, 11:37 am
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For fellow geezers
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test to see if you have Coronavirus
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/>This test is covered when your doctor or a health care provide
r
orders it, if you get the test on or after February 4, 2020. You
usually pay nothing for Medicare-covered clinical diagnostic
laboratory tests.
Agelbert NOTE: The above is a quote from an e-mail I got from
Medicare.gov today. I am guilty of putting certain parts of that
quote in bold. In a sane country, you DO NOT need some MD to
"prescribe" a test for a dangerous virus like COVID-19 (the
virus has mutated. There are TWO variants now - the latest one
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/>So, all these geezers. like me, who AVOID seeing a doctor
regularly to keep from being cash cows for the CAPITALIST
greedball medical complex in the USA, are being SET UP to HAVE
TO PAY FOR AN APPOINTMENT WITH A DOCTOR, OR BE SADDLED FOR A
THOUSAND BUCKS or so for a COVID-19 test. >:( :(
Tell me, dear friends, what GP Doctor, who has never seen you as
a patient before, is going to agree to see you because you think
you may have COVID-19 symptoms? Do you think he is going to
authorize a COVID-19 test without an appointment? Do you think
he will agree to an appointment without telling you in advance
that you will have to pay EXTRA for the special protective gear
the doctor has to wear to protect himself from possible
infection when he sees you? Are you beginning to see how this
works?
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Yes Virginia, the CAPITALIST GREEDBALLS in the USA HAVE JUST
GUARANTEED that the COVID-19 PANDEMIC will be MUCH WORSE than if
anyone could get the test FOR FREE on request. GREED isn't just
bad; it is ABYSMALLY STUPID.
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Trump Ignored CoVid-19. Now Its About To Boom!
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Re: New Pandemic? Now over 100,000 cases
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Re: Are you beginning to see how this works? 😨
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Yes Virginia, the CAPITALIST GREEDBALLS in the USA HAVE JUST
GUARANTEED that the COVID-19 PANDEMIC will be MUCH WORSE than if
anyone could get the test FOR FREE on request. GREED isn't just
bad; it is ABYSMALLY STUPID.
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As with most things, the worst people on the planet have created
a market for testing. And the other worst people (by which I
mean Mike Pence) are contorting themselves into exotic new
positions to kiss Trump's ass. And speaking of Fat Orange, he is
skipping a planned attendance3 at the CDC in favor of a planned
fundraiser at Mar-a-logo tonight.
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The Capitalist Clusterfuck continues to wreak havoc on humanity
in general and the USA in particular
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Yes Virginia, the CAPITALIST GREEDBALLS in the USA HAVE JUST
GUARANTEED that the COVID-19 PANDEMIC will be MUCH WORSE than if
anyone could get the test FOR FREE on request. GREED isn't just
bad; it is ABYSMALLY STUPID.
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As with most things, the worst people on the planet have created
a market for testing. And the other worst people (by which I
mean Mike Pence) are contorting themselves into exotic new
positions to kiss Trump's ass. And speaking of Fat Orange, he is
skipping a planned attendance at the CDC in favor of a planned
fundraiser at Mar-a-logo tonight.[/quote]
Yup. The COVID-19 Pandemic is being made worse by the
CAPITALISTS who, due to their "altruism is verboten" evil
ideology (SEE: "Game theory", "Might equals Right", "Shock
Doctrine", etc.), cannot see any mass human misery taking place
as anything but another "great opportunity" to make more money.
You can bet your bottom dollar that every corporate profiting
penny of those billions Congress just approved to "fight
COVID-19" is going to pad the 1%'s bank accounts.
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floating symbol of the inevitable result of polluting profit
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sensible steps like stopping all travel until a vaccine can be
developed, tested and distributed to the most vulnerable cohorts
of the population. Furthermore, the medical greedballs in the
USA, who know full well that biology of virus spread CONTAINMENT
truth, are ALSO every bit as guilty as Trump and Pence are for
not screaming at the top of their lungs that ALL OPTIONAL TRAVEL
MOST STOP NOW, no matter what it does to the stock market!
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Agelbert REQUEST: Please sign this petition and urge everyine yo
u know to do so as well. I signed.
By: AGelbert Date: March 6, 2020, 1:48 pm
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Agelbert REQUEST: Please sign this petition and urge everyine
you know to do so as well. I signed it today.
[quote]While the novel virus COVID-19 (aka coronavirus)
continues to spread across the globe, credible health
organizations still say containment is possible. However, there
are a few things making containment within the U.S. less likely.
The biggest of which is that people are expected to pay out of
pocket for testing, treatment, and quarantine. But it doesn't
have to be this way, and New York State just proved it!
Sign on to demand every other state follows New York's lead to
block insurance companies from charging people for testing and
treatment of coronavirus!
The current estimated death rate of the virus is 3.4%, which
would translate to millions of people in the U.S. if the virus
continues to spread. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) has
just changed the standards for coronavirus testing to anyone who
has a doctor's order. But due to the cost of such testing - one
Miami man was charged over $3000, and that was with insurance -
many people will not get tested and instead continue to spread
the disease.
The solution? Governors can prohibit insurance companies from
charging people for testing and care of coronavirus. We,
collectively, can afford to do this.
If this country has any hope of curbing the sickness and death
this virus is causing around the world, we have to demand free
treatment for all! As a society, we are only as safe as the
least safe among us. Let's stand together and demand our
lawmakers protect us in every way possible, starting with making
all testing and treatment of coronavirus free!
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15 million dead and a $2.4 trillion hit to global GDP?
By: Surly1 Date: March 7, 2020, 7:44 pm
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As the coronavirus spreads, one study predicts that even the
best-case scenario is 15 million dead and a $2.4 trillion hit to
global GDP
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[html]<ul> <li> <p>The coronavirus outbreak that
originated in Wuhan, China, <a
href="
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nearly 3,300 people and infected more than 95,000">has killed
nearly 3,300 people and infected more than 95,000</a>. The
virus, which causes a disease known as COVID-19, has <a
href="
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at least 81 countries">spread to at least 81
countries</a>.</p> </li> </ul> <ul> <li> <p>
While
much is still unknown about the virus, a group of Australian
experts have estimated that the virus may have severe
consequences on global gross domestic
product.</p> </li> <li> <p><a
href="
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/>rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:New
modeling from The Australian National University">New modeling
from The Australian National University</a> looks at seven
scenarios of how the outbreak might affect the world's wealth,
ranging from low severity to high
severity.</p> </li> <li> <p>In the low-severity
model — or best-case scenario of the seven — ANU
researchers estimate a global GDP loss of $2.4 trillion, with an
estimated death toll of 15
million.</p> </li> <li> <p><a
href="
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/>rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:Visit
Business Insider's homepage for more stories">Visit Business
Insider's homepage for more
stories</a>.</p> </li> </ul> <p>As coronavirus cases
continue to rise around the world, a group of Australian experts
predict that the economic impact of the disease in the best-case
scenario may total $2.4 trillion in lost global gross domestic
product.</p> <p>The coronavirus outbreak that originated in
Wuhan, China, <a
href="
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nearly 3,300 people and infected more than 95,000">has killed
nearly 3,300 people and infected more than 95,000</a>. The
virus, which causes a disease known as COVID-19, has <a
href="
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at least 81 countries">spread to at least 81
countries</a>.</p> <p><a
href="
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/>rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:More tha
n
150 cases have been reported in the US">More than 150 cases have
been reported in the US</a>, including 11 deaths across two
states. The World Health Organization has declared the outbreak
an international public-health emergency and <a
href="
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data-ylk="slk:warned">warned</a> that the window of opportunity
to contain it is narrowing.</p> <p>On Tuesday, the WHO noted
that the <a
href="
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death rate for the novel coronavirus based on the latest figures
was 3.4%">global death rate for the novel coronavirus based on
the latest figures was 3.4%</a> — higher than <a
href="
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rel="nofollow
noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:earlier figures of about
2%">earlier figures of about 2%</a>. The WHO's director-general,
Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, <a
href="
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data-ylk="slk:said">said</a> the new coronavirus was "a unique
virus with unique characteristics."</p> <p>While much is
still unknown about the virus, the group of Australian experts
has produced a warning about the impact the virus might have on
people's lives if left unchecked.</p> <h2>Australian
researchers estimate the economic impact of the
virus</h2> <figure> <div> <div><img alt="South
Korean soldiers in protective gear sanitizing a shopping street
in Seoul, South Korea, on Wednesday."
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soldiers in protective gear sanitizing a shopping street in
Seoul, South Korea, on
Wednesday.</figcaption> </figure> <p>Reuters</p> <p>
<a
href="
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/>rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:New
modeling from The Australian National University">New modeling
from The Australian National University</a> looks at seven
scenarios of how the COVID-19 outbreak might affect the world's
wealth, ranging from low severity to high
severity.</p> <p>Four of the seven scenarios in the paper
examine the impact of COVID-19 spreading outside China, ranging
from low to high severity. A seventh scenario examines a global
impact in which a mild pandemic occurs each year
indefinitely.</p> <p>But even in the low-severity model
— or best-case scenario of the seven, which the paper
acknowledged were not definitive — ANU researchers
estimate a global GDP loss of $2.4 trillion, with an estimated
death toll of 15 million. They modeled their estimates on the <a
href="
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/>rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:Hong Kon
g
flu pandemic">Hong Kong flu pandemic</a>, an outbreak in
1968-1969 that is estimated to have killed about 1 million
people.</p> <p>In the high-severity model — modeled
after the <a
href="
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/>rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" data-ylk="slk:Spanish
flu pandemic">Spanish flu pandemic</a>, which killed an
estimated 17 million to 50 million globally from 1918 to 1920
— the global GDP loss could be as high as $9 trillion. In
that model, the death toll is estimated to surpass 68
million.</p> <p>"Our scenarios show that even a contained
outbreak could significantly impact the global economy in the
short run," said Warwick McKibbin, a professor of economics at
ANU who was one of the paper's authors.</p> <p>"Even in the
best-case scenario of a low-severity impact, the economic
fallout is going to be enormous and countries need to work
together to limit the potential damage as much as possible," he
added.</p> <p>The research aims to help policymakers respond
to the economic impact of COVID-19 as the disease continues to
spread.</p> <p>"There needs to be vastly more investment in
public health and development, especially in the poorest
countries," McKibbin said. "It is too late to attempt to close
borders once the disease has taken hold in many other countries
and a global pandemic has started."</p> <h2>The death toll
is still evolving</h2> <figure> <div> <div><img
alt="Medical workers at a hospital in Chennai, India, on January
29 inside a ward specializing in receiving people who may have
been infected with the novel coronavirus."
src="
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/>/></div> </div> <figcaption data-id="m-1">Medical
workers at a hospital in Chennai, India, on January 29 inside a
ward specializing in receiving people who may have been infected
with the novel coronavirus.</figcaption> </figure> <p>P.
Ravikumar/Reuters</p> <p>A patient's risk of dying from
COVID-19 varies based on several factors, including where they
are treated, their age, and any preexisting health
conditions.</p> <p>A <a
href="
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conducted last month">study conducted last month</a> from the
Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention showed that
the virus <a
href="
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seriously affected older people">most seriously affected older
people</a> with preexisting health problems. The data suggests a
person's chances of dying from the disease increase with
age.</p> <p>Notably, the research showed that patients ages
10 to 19 had the same chance of dying from COVID-19 as patients
in their 20s and 30s, but the disease appeared to be much more
fatal in people ages 50 and over.</p> <p><a
href="
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%
of COVID-19 cases are mild">About 80% of COVID-19 cases are
mild</a>, the research showed, and experts think many mild cases
haven't been reported because some people aren't going to the
doctor or hospitals for treatment.</p> <p><em>Aria Bendix
contributed reporting.</em></p> <ul> <li> <p>Read
more:</p> </li> <li> <p><a
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the coronavirus outbreak</a></p> </li> <li> <p><a
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represent the majority of coronavirus cases so far. Researchers
think smoking could play a role.">Men represent the majority of
coronavirus cases so far. Researchers think smoking could play a
role.</a></p> </li> <li> <p><a
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it are diminishing">As the coronavirus outbreak worsens outside
China, hopes of containing it are
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