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       GREAT VIDEO: Whistleblower claims of White House coverup
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 7:27 pm
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       [center]Whistleblower alleges White House coverup | Trump
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       Seeking to interfere in the 2020 election, and what's more -
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       Democrats say they are gathering even more ammunition in their
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       Re: 🌟 IMPEACHMENT SCORE 🌠
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 7:40 pm
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       &#129408; Trump unleashes fury over impeachment inquiry
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 7:51 pm
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       [center]Donald Trump [img
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       President Trump has unleashed another diatribe on Twitter,
       accusing Democrats of making up the contents of his phone call
       with the Ukrainian leader to make it “sound horrible”.
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       A formal impeachment inquiry is now investigating whether Donald
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       Re: &#127775; IMPEACHMENT SCORE &#127776;
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 8:01 pm
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       [center]Donald &#129408; Trump, to Fight Impeachment - Will he
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       Will Trump Go After Whistle Blower for Revealing Treason?
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 8:06 pm
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       [center]Will [img
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       Donald Trump in glorifying the harsh past may have put the
       whistle blower in danger and that could be exactly what the
       President wanted to do!
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       Pence is up to his EYEBALLS in Ukraine TREASON!
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 8:20 pm
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       [center]What Are &#129429; Mike Pence's Real Motives As
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       Re: &#127775; IMPEACHMENT SCORE &#127776;
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       Leveraging the office of the U.S. President, to interfere in the
       2020 election.
       That's the accusation facing Donald Trump in a whistleblower
       complaint that's set him on course for an impeachment
       investigation.
       Donald Trump has been accused of trying to persuade the Ukranian
       leader to dig up dirt on his rival, Joe Biden.
       So, will the impeachment effort against Donald Trump intensify?
       Or will it back fire on the President's opponents?
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       Impeachment Is &#127775; Good For Our Political Future' 
       By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2019, 9:50 pm
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       [center]'Impeachment Is &#127775; Good For Our Political
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       Across a divided nation, skepticism about impeachment
       By: Surly1 Date: September 28, 2019, 8:22 am
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       Don't kid yourself, AG. As much as people like us and those who
       still traffic in reality agree that a mentally ill POTUS must
       go, this country is still rotten with Trumpists, fascists, white
       nationalists and nazis who will not go quietly.
       Across a divided nation, skepticism about impeachment
       [img
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       [html]<article>&#13;<figure>
       &#13;<figcaption>Clouds are seen over the White House after
       President Trump returned on the South Lawn on Sept 26. (Jabin
       Botsford/The Washington
       Post)</figcaption>&#13;</figure>&#13;<div>&#13;<div>&#13;<div><s
       pan>By
       </span>&#13;<div>&#13;<div><span><a
       href="
  HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/jenna-portnoy/"><span>Jenna<br
       />Portnoy</span></a><span>,
       </span></span></div>&#13;</div>&#13;<div>&#13;<div><span><a
       href="
  HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/scott-wilson/"><span>Scott<br
       />Wilson</span></a><span>,
       </span></span></div>&#13;</div>&#13;<div>&#13;<div><span><a
       href="
  HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/tim-craig/"><span>Tim<br
       />Craig</span></a><span> and
       </span></span></div>&#13;</div>&#13;<div>&#13;<div><span><a
       href="
  HTML https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/marc-fisher/"><span>Marc<br
       />Fisher</span></a></span></div>&#13;</div>&#13;</div>&#13;</div
       >&#13;</div>&#13;<div>&#13;<div>September
       27, 2019 at 12:11 p.m.
       EDT</div>&#13;<div></div>&#13;</div>&#13;<div>&#13;<div>&#13;<se
       ction>&#13;<p>They
       don&rsquo;t ordinarily agree with each other. They watch
       different channels, hear different versions of the news and view
       neighbors across a gaping, painful politicaldivide. But in swing
       districts across the country, the idea of impeaching the
       president has brought some Americans together: They&rsquo;re
       wary of deploying the Constitution&rsquo;s ultimate weapon
       &mdash; one that takes the decision about who is president out
       of voters&rsquo;
       hands.</p>&#13;</section>&#13;</div>&#13;<div>&#13;<section>&#13
       ;<p>Derek
       Tsao is a Republican in California who has grown tired of
       President Trump&rsquo;s behavior. Curtis Johnson is a Democrat
       in Florida who could never quite fathom why his fellow Americans
       chose a man like Trump. Lisa Foulds is a lifelong Republican in
       suburban Virginia whose kids have pushed her toward the center,
       so much so that she voted for a Democrat for Congress last
       year.</p>&#13;<p>They all say the president may have crossed a
       line when he pressed his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate
       one of Trump&rsquo;s main political rivals. And despite their
       political differences, they say the Democrats&rsquo; move this
       week to start impeachment proceedings against Trump is the wrong
       tactic at the wrong time.</p>&#13;<p>Polls have shown that
       public opinion has shifted slightly in favor of impeachment, but
       many still see it as &ldquo;an exercise in futility,&rdquo; as
       Johnson put it.</p>&#13;<p>The retired steelworker from Indiana,
       now living in New Smyrna Beach, Fla., said he&rsquo;s eager for
       Democrats to find a candidate who can beat Trump next year, but
       he fears that impeaching the president will make Trump&rsquo;s
       reelection more likely. &ldquo;There&rsquo;s not enough time
       before the election and nothing will come of it,&rdquo; said
       Johnson, 71. &ldquo;This is going to hurt the Democrats because
       everyone&rsquo;s going to say, &lsquo;You&rsquo;re putting all
       your energy into<span>
       this</span>?&rsquo;&thinsp;&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>Tsao, 27, who is
       studying to be a physical therapist, has followed this
       week&rsquo;s news only glancingly, but he&rsquo;s all for
       investigating any credible accusations.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;If a
       crime has been alleged, you should find out more about
       it,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;I fear, though, that it&rsquo;s just
       another anti-Trump move.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>Launching an
       investigation and potentially putting Trump on trial in the
       Senate strikes Foulds, a 50-year-old who still considers herself
       a Republican after voting for independent Gary Johnson in 2016,
       as &ldquo;a waste of the taxpayers&rsquo;
       money.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;For something as trivial as
       gaining dirt on somebody? It just seems petty,&rdquo; she said.
       &ldquo;I just think it has to be much more
       egregious.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>As events in Washington unfolded at
       a breakneck pace this week, many Democrats and Republicans
       interviewed in swing districts across seven states were united
       in their exhaustion &mdash; with politics, with polarization
       and, even among some of his supporters, with the president. Many
       said they chose not to follow every twist and turn in the
       Ukraine story because their views about Trump had long ago
       solidified, pro or con.</p>&#13;<p>Voters across the partisan
       spectrum argued that next year&rsquo;s election &mdash; not
       impeachment &mdash; is the best way to resolve the
       country&rsquo;s struggle with a divisive, unpopular president
       who now stands accused of betraying the nation&rsquo;s
       interests.</p>&#13;<p>An <a
       href="
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       />NewsHour&rdquo;-Marist poll</a> conducted Wednesday found that
       49 percent of Americans supported opening an impeachment inquiry
       while 46 percent were opposed. And in a <a
       href="
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       />Post-YouGov poll</a> completed Thursday, 47 percent said that
       &ldquo;Trump should be impeached and removed from office,&rdquo;
       up slightly from 43 percent earlier this month. The increase was
       driven more by increased support among Democrats than among
       independents.</p>&#13;<p>Polls taken earlier in the week, before
       details of the Ukraine call were known, showed somewhat less
       support for impeachment. In a <a
       href="
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       />University survey</a> completed on Monday, 37 percent of
       registered voters supported impeaching and removing the
       president; 57 percent were opposed, including nearly all
       Republicans, 58 percent of independents, and 21 percent of
       Democrats.</p>&#13;<figure><img
       src="
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       />alt="Protesters call to impeach President Trump in front of th
       e
       White House on Sept. 24. House Speaker Nancy Pelos (D-Calif.)i
       announced a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump. (Carolyn
       Kaster/AP)" height="530" width="794"
       />&#13;<figcaption>Protesters call to impeach President Trump in
       front of the White House on Sept. 24. House Speaker Nancy Pelos
       (D-Calif.)i announced a formal impeachment inquiry into Trump.
       (Carolyn Kaster/AP)</figcaption>&#13;</figure>&#13;<h3>A
       lose-lose</h3>&#13;<p>Rosa Kee can&rsquo;t stand Trump, but for
       a long time, she thought impeachment was the wrong idea:
       &ldquo;I really wanted us to <span>vote</span> him out, because
       otherwise he&rsquo;d say, &lsquo;This isn&rsquo;t what the
       people wanted.&rsquo;&thinsp;&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>But this week,
       Kee, a former telecom employee from Stone Mountain, Ga., changed
       her mind. Kee is now, grudgingly, okay with the Democrats
       pressing toward impeachment.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;This feels
       different to me,&rdquo; said Kee, 73. &ldquo;Back when he said
       to Putin, &lsquo;Russia, if you&rsquo;re listening, go after
       Hillary,&rsquo; I thought, &lsquo;Okay, that&rsquo;s just his
       ego talking.&rsquo; But what he did to this Ukrainian guy, now
       he&rsquo;s using his position for his own
       interests.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>Kee still doesn&rsquo;t like the
       idea of Congress removing Trump &mdash; a decision she thinks
       voters should make on their own &mdash; but she believes House
       Democrats are making a principled decision, even if she&rsquo;s
       certain it won&rsquo;t succeed.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;It will help
       the Democrats because they finally did something about
       him,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;But I fear it will help Trump, too,
       because he&rsquo;s always making himself out to be the victim,
       and that always works for him.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>Impeachment
       &mdash; Congress&rsquo;s power to remove a president without a
       vote by the people &mdash; has never been popular. In the 1970s
       with Republican Richard Nixon and in the 1990s with Democrat
       Bill Clinton, a majority of Americans concluded that the
       president had behaved badly. But the country remained largely
       opposed to impeachment until shortly before Nixon resigned, and
       in Clinton&rsquo;s case, all the way through his acquittal by
       the Senate.</p>&#13;<p>In Washington, the Ukraine story sucked
       the air out of every other issue. In Iowa and other early
       primary states, Democratic presidential candidates watched as
       news coverage pivoted from the campaign to impeachment.
       Political consultants and pundits shifted into hyper-speculation
       mode, urgently searching for clues about how the impeachment
       probe might alter the country&rsquo;s political
       path.</p>&#13;<p>In swing districts, the Ukraine call and
       impeachment inquiry didn&rsquo;t seem quite the watershed events
       they were in the capital, but some voters welcomed the
       move.</p>&#13;<figure><img
       src="
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       />alt="A woman views newspaper headlines announcing the acquitta
       l
       of President Bill Clinton in February 1999 in Sacramento. Only
       three of President Trump&rsquo;s predecessors underwent
       impeachment proceedings: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, who
       were acquitted after trials in the Senate, and Richard Nixon,
       who resigned to avoid being impeached in connection with the
       Watergate scandal. (Bob Galbraith/AP)" height="533" width="800"
       />&#13;<figcaption>A woman views newspaper headlines announcing
       the acquittal of President Bill Clinton in February 1999 in
       Sacramento. Only three of President Trump&rsquo;s predecessors
       underwent impeachment proceedings: Andrew Johnson and Bill
       Clinton, who were acquitted after trials in the Senate, and
       Richard Nixon, who resigned to avoid being impeached in
       connection with the Watergate scandal. (Bob
       Galbraith/AP)</figcaption>&#13;</figure>&#13;<p>In the Yorba
       Linda, Calif., townhouse development where Frank Bryant lives,
       some neighbors no longer speak to each other because of their
       opposing views on Trump. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s way too
       personal,&rdquo; so nobody talks politics anymore around the
       community pool, said Bryant, a professor of marketing at nearby
       Cal Poly Pomona.</p>&#13;<p>He generally votes for Democrats,
       but he admires how Trump has managed the economy. Now,
       Bryant&rsquo;s ready to go along with House Speaker Nancy
       Pelosi&rsquo;s decision to switch gears and embrace
       impeachment.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;I think we have to go with the
       speaker right now,&rdquo; Bryant said. &ldquo;She&rsquo;s been
       very careful, and so, if she sees something there now, I believe
       her.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>Voters on both sides echoed
       Pelosi&rsquo;s concerns earlier this year that an impeachment
       drive could hurt Democrats. Trump supporters and opponents alike
       predicted that the move might strengthen Trump&rsquo;s
       reelection bid.</p>&#13;<p>The modern history of impeachment
       demonstrates that a sitting president can indeed turn the tables
       on his accusers, said Frank O. Bowman III, a professor at the
       University of Missouri School of Law and author of &ldquo;<a
       href="
  HTML https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/high-crimes-and-misdemeanors/06FDD57E104F3891A4C2B50175195FA5">High<br
       />Crimes and Misdemeanors</a>,&rdquo; a history of impeachment.
       Bowman said that Clinton effectively pressed his case in the
       news media, portraying his Republican opponents as bad guys who
       wanted to use his extramarital sexual affair to remove him from
       office.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;Clinton managed to flip the public
       narrative from his own bad behavior to the behavior of those who
       attacked him,&rdquo; the historian said. &ldquo;Trump
       doesn&rsquo;t need Clinton to teach him anything about fighting
       dirty. Any attempt to impeach Trump is going to invite the
       nastiest kinds of backlash, first of all against Joe
       Biden.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>In St. Clair Shores, a sharply split
       district in Detroit&rsquo;s northern suburbs, Diana Rascano, 69,
       said she often votes for Democrats in local elections, where
       government &ldquo;touches your life more than the feds.&rdquo;
       But in presidential votes, she&rsquo;s a consistent Republican
       because of her conservative views on abortion, immigration and
       taxes.</p>&#13;<p>The transcript of the president&rsquo;s call
       with his Ukrainian counterpart sounded like standard business
       talk to her, not unlike what she recalls from her days as an
       executive at the Detroit Edison utility
       company.</p>&#13;<p>Rascano said Democrats, some Republicans and
       the news media are acting as &ldquo;one big angry mob in
       .&thinsp;.&thinsp;. a constant barrage of trying to find a
       crime&rdquo; committed by Trump. As a result, she said,
       she&rsquo;s more supportive of the president in 2020 than she
       was in 2016.</p>&#13;<figure><img
       src="
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       />alt="Small-business owner Jason Scaggs, 36, touches up one of
       the many painted sentiments on his &ldquo;Flag Barn&rdquo; in
       Owings, Md., on Nov. 2, 2016. The barn, which dates to 1912, has
       signs that read: &ldquo;Trump &mdash; Make America Great
       Again,&rdquo; &ldquo;Blue Lives Matter&rdquo; and
       &ldquo;Dedicated to Our Troops.&rdquo; (Linda Davidson/The
       Washington Post)" height="534" width="801"
       />&#13;<figcaption>Small-business owner Jason Scaggs, 36,
       touches up one of the many painted sentiments on his &ldquo;Flag
       Barn&rdquo; in Owings, Md., on Nov. 2, 2016. The barn, which
       dates to 1912, has signs that read: &ldquo;Trump &mdash; Make
       America Great Again,&rdquo; &ldquo;Blue Lives Matter&rdquo; and
       &ldquo;Dedicated to Our Troops.&rdquo; (Linda Davidson/The
       Washington Post)</figcaption>&#13;</figure>&#13;<h3>Switching
       sides</h3>&#13;<p>In northwestern Pennsylvania, Trump in 2016
       became the first Republican presidential candidate to carry Erie
       County in more than three decades. White working-class voters
       abandoned their historical ties to the Democratic Party after
       manufacturing plants downsized or closed along Lake Erie&rsquo;s
       southern shore.</p>&#13;<p>But last year, county voters shifted
       their loyalties back to Democrats as Gov. Tom Wolf and Sen.
       Robert P. Casey Jr. both carried the county by about 20
       points.</p>&#13;<p>In Harborcreek, a working-class town just
       east of Erie city, many residents said they weren&rsquo;t paying
       much attention to the unfolding impeachment controversy in
       Washington.</p>&#13;<p>Jim Cass, a 77-year-old retired bar owner
       who has been a Republican all his life, has never liked Trump
       and said the Ukraine matter has only validated his
       view.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;I think he is a liar and a cheat and I
       never trusted him with our foreign affairs,&rdquo; Cass said,
       &ldquo;and I don&rsquo;t like anything about him.
       Period.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>He&rsquo;s all for impeaching the
       president, but he isn&rsquo;t sure Congress will be able to
       amass sufficient evidence to get the job done, and he worries
       that the debate will deepen the nation&rsquo;s
       divisions.</p>&#13;<p>He&rsquo;s certain the debate will
       exacerbate divisions within his own family. He has a son and a
       son-in-law &ldquo;who loves Trump,&rdquo; but another son and a
       daughter-in-law who &ldquo;don&rsquo;t have any use for him,
       either.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>But Cass said the risk of more family
       fights is worth it if the result is removing from office the man
       he considers &ldquo;mentally ill.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>To another
       Republican in Harborcreek, though, the move toward impeachment
       seems a recipe for a Trump victory in 2020. Randy Wienke, a
       64-year-old truck driver, has been stuck in the house for
       several days recovering from back surgery &mdash; plenty of time
       to absorb details of the Ukraine story on Fox
       News.</p>&#13;<p>He&rsquo;s concluded that Democrats are just
       out to remove Trump over a phone call that he said most voters
       don&rsquo;t care about. &ldquo;They just don&rsquo;t like him,
       and they don&rsquo;t like him because he doesn&rsquo;t play into
       their little clique politics game there,&rdquo; Wienke
       said.</p>&#13;<p>He&rsquo;s convinced that the &ldquo;real
       criminals&rdquo; are Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who have been
       the target of Trump&rsquo;s counterattack this
       week.</p>&#13;<p>Even if Trump did do something wrong, Wienke
       said, he doesn&rsquo;t understand why Democrats would rush to
       push him from office: &ldquo;Who would take his place? Mike
       Pence? They still would not be getting rid of any of his
       conservative, Republican political views.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p>The
       impeachment initiative has changed some minds &mdash; if not
       about Trump, then about the Democrats lining up against
       him.</p>&#13;<p>Tom Shaw, 56, a fraud investigator in Henrico,
       Va., voted for Democrat Barack Obama in 2008, Republican Mitt
       Romney in 2012 and then Trump in the last election, in good part
       because he liked the idea of a businessperson managing the
       country.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;Business is tough and running this
       country is like a big business,&rdquo; Shaw said. He&rsquo;s
       been pleased to see Trump cut red tape, lower unemployment,
       reduce corporate tax rates and sign a criminal justice reform
       bill.</p>&#13;<p>But Shaw switched gears last year to vote
       against his Republican congressman, Dave Brat, and choose
       Democrat Abigail Spanberger because she&rsquo;d served as a CIA
       officer and promised to work with Republicans.</p>&#13;<p>He
       won&rsquo;t vote for her again, though, because of her strong
       advocacy for gun control &mdash; and because she announced her
       support for impeachment this week.</p>&#13;<p>&ldquo;I&rsquo;d
       love to see her sit down and lay out the specific facts that are
       illegal involving Trump,&rdquo; he said. &ldquo;But we&rsquo;ll
       see. Maybe something comes out in the hearings. If there&rsquo;s
       evidence that Trump violated some law or did something
       unethical, I would vote to impeach him in a
       second.&rdquo;</p>&#13;<p><em>Portnoy reported from
       Chesterfield, Va.; Wilson from Yorba Linda, Calif.; Craig from
       Erie, Pa.; and Fisher from Washington. Anna Clark in Detroit;
       Jared Leone in Dunedin, Fla.; Eva Ruth Moravec in Georgetown,
       Tex.; and Scott Clement contributed to this
       report</em></p>&#13;</section>&#13;</div>&#13;</div>&#13;</artic
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       From &#129408; tweedledee to &#129429; teedledum &#9760;&#65039;
       By: AGelbert Date: September 28, 2019, 12:56 pm
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       [move][font=courier]Published on Friday, August 09, 2019 by
       Common Dreams:[/font][/move]
       SNIPPET:
       Many recent presidents have been awful, “But then there was
       Donald Trump, the only president in recent American history to
       openly despise the twin ideals—individual dignity and
       fundamental equality—upon which the contemporary United States
       is built. When you confront the reality of a president like
       Trump, the state of both sets of brakes—internal
       [constitutional] and external [public resistance]—become hugely
       important because Donald Trump’s political train runs on the
       most potent and dangerous fuel of all: a steady diet of fear,
       greed, loathing, lies, and envy. It’s a toxic mixture that has
       destroyed democracies before, and can do so again.
       “Give Trump credit,” he continues. “He did his homework well and
       became the twenty-first-century master of divisive rhetoric.
       We’re used to thinking of Hitler’s Third Reich as the
       incomparably evil tyranny that it undoubtedly was. But Hitler
       didn’t take power by force. He used a set of rhetorical tropes
       codified in Trump’s bedside reading that persuaded enough
       Germans to welcome Hitler as a populist leader. The Nazis did
       not overthrow the Weimar Republic. It fell into their hands as
       the fruit of Hitler’s satanic ability to mesmerize enough
       Germans to trade their birthright for a pottage of scapegoating,
       short-term economic gain, xenophobia, and racism. It could
       happen here.”
       Full article:
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       [center]From &#129408; tweedledee to &#129429;
       teedledum:[/center]
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       Agelbert NOTE: As strange as this may seem to anyone reading
       this, the systemic rot in American politics (and the judiciary)
       is much more widepread than meets the 'Trump fascist leadership'
       "eye".
       Of course Trump and his entire retinue of murderous crooks and
       liars should be impeached as a matter of priniciple. But, while
       I am certain that Trump will be impeached in the House (and
       "acquitted" in the &#128024; Senate &#128078;), you know the
       Democrats do not have the ethical integrity to impeach both
       &#129408; Trump and &#129429; Pence, never mind &#128520; Barr,
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       />Mulvaney, &#128121; Moscow Mitch, etc., et al. The reason the
       Democrats have to "limit" the scope of their impeachment efforts
       is that they know the massively corrupt Republicans are quite
       aware of the massive corruption in the Democratic Party and
       will, like corned rats, go scorched earth to expose it. The
       Democrats do not want the lipstick removed from their "big tent"
       PIG.
       After the Senate "acquits" Trump, the House impeachment stigma
       will pretty much ruin Trump's political future, unless Trump
       just declares elections cancelled due to a "national emergency"
       (SEE: in-our-faces Dictatorship).
       I honestly do not think Trump can pull that off, even though I
       am certain he is seriously considering it. Trump had the gall to
       ask the Republican Leadership to vet his daughter Ivanka as his
       2016 VP running mate until they had a polite discussion with him
       about the nepotism no-no in American politics.
       At any rate, Trump will soon be history. But, the devastating
       fascist harm he has done to the USA will NOT have been reversed
       in any way, shape or form.
       So, the rot in both political parties will fester even more
       destructively, thereby continuing our downward spiral towards
       anarchy and revolution. Unless the majority of the American
       voting public demands, in no uncertain terms
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       />ethical behavior NOW from BOTH the Democrats and the
       Republicans, we will soon all be toast.
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       No ethics equals NO SOLUTION.
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