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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 9, 2018, 9:07 pm
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>
> Is this a tiny ET?
>
> [center]The Water Bear could have made it the Earth without a
space ship[/center]
>
>
[center]
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> [center]The Water Bear is the only creature to have survived
the vacuum of space.[/center]
>
> Suppose you could survive in a vacuum, live in temperatures
the would fry or freeze most life forms, be just about
everywhere and when discovered by human scientists, confound
classification? Like the Duck Billed Platypus, this is one of
theose creatures that defies the Darwinian evolutionary lockstep
of modern "science".
>
> This creature seems to have come out of nowhere. No ancestors
or fossils of "previous" evolutionary life forms leading t it
have been found. The water bear came (possibly from space) with
the full package of adaptability to a WIDE variety of climate
conditions. The Water Bear (Tardigrade) is no primitive blue
green algae or run of the mill microscopic extremophile. It has
muscles and a digestive tract. It was named "Water Bear" because
of the way it moves and the claws it has that resemble bear
claws.
>
> [center]
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>
> [quote]About 1,150 species of tardigrades have been described.
Tardigrades occur throughout the world, from the Himalayas
(above 6,000 metres (20,000 ft)), to the deep sea (below 4,000
metres (13,000 ft)) and from the polar regions to the equator.
>
> The most convenient place to find tardigrades is on lichens
and mosses. Other environments are dunes, beaches, soil, and
marine or freshwater sediments, where they may occur quite
frequently (up to 25,000 animals per liter). Tardigrades often
can be found by soaking a piece of moss in spring water.
>
> Tardigrades are able to survive in extreme environments that
would kill almost any other animal. Some can survive
temperatures of close to absolute zero, or 0 Kelvin (−273
°C (−459 °F)), temperatures as high as 151 °C (304 °F),
1,000 times more radiation than other animals, and almost a
decade without water. Since 2007, tardigrades have also returned
alive from studies in which they have been exposed to the vacuum
of space for a few days in low Earth orbit. Tardigrades are the
first animal to survive in space.1
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All that toughness is great but you need the ability to go into
suspended animation for successful long duration space travel to
the planet of the naked killer apes. Does the Water Bear
deliver? Read on.
--- Quote ---
> Tardigrades are one of the few groups of species that are
capable of reversibly suspending their metabolism and going into
a state of cryptobiosis. 1
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Tardigrades have been known to withstand the following
extremes while in this state:
>
> Temperature – tardigrades can survive being heated for a few
minutes to 151 °C (424 K), or being chilled for days at -200 °C
(73 K), or for a few minutes at -272 °C (~1 degree above
absolute zero).
>
> Pressure
> – they can withstand the extremely low pressure of a vacuum
and also very high pressures, more than 1,200 times atmospheric
pressure. Tardigrades can survive the vacuum of open space and
solar radiation combined for at least 10 days.Some species can
also withstand pressure of 6,000 atmospheres, which is nearly
six times the pressure of water in the deepest ocean trench, the
Mariana trench.
>
> Dehydration
> – tardigrades have been shown to survive nearly 10 years in a
dry state. When exposed to extremely low temperatures, their
body composition goes from 85% water to only 3%. As water
expands upon freezing, dehydration ensures the tardigrades do
not get ripped apart by the freezing ice (as waterless tissues
cannot freeze).
>
> Radiation
> – tardigrades can withstand median lethal doses of 5,000 Gy
(of gamma-rays) and 6,200 Gy (of heavy ions) in hydrated animals
(5 to 10 Gy could be fatal to a human). The only explanation
thus far for this ability is that their lowered water state
provides fewer reactants for the ionizing radiation.
> Environmental toxins
> – tardigrades can undergo chemobiosis—a cryptobiotic response
to high levels of environmental toxins. However, these
laboratory results have yet to be verified.
>
> Outer space
> – In September 2007, tardigrades were taken into low Earth
orbit on the FOTON-M3 mission and for 10 days were exposed to
the vacuum of space. After being rehydrated back on Earth, over
68% of the subjects protected from high-energy UV radiation
survived and many of these produced viable embryos, and a
handful had survived full exposure to solar radiation. In May
2011, tardigrades were sent into space along with other
extremophiles on STS-134, the final flight of Space Shuttle
Endeavour 1
>
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It looks like this MEEK little creature has a much better chance
of inheriting the Earth than the ARROGANT naked killer apes do.
The Biosphere is always teaching. It's too bad Homo SAP isn't
learning jack s h i t.
Do you want to have some fun? Go to the Wikipeda link and read
the exercise in cheap rationalization and grasping at
evolutionary straws from the scientific classification
cubbyholers trying to push the Tardigrades into some convenient
evolutionary niche (Evolutionary relationships and history 1).
They can't find fossils so they make the RIDICULOUS claim that
this multicellular creature that has a chitinous cover (like
many insects THAT DO LEAVE FOSSILS BECAUSE OF THE CHITINOUS
COVERING) is "too small" to leave fossils. SAY WHAT!!? There
are fossils for MUCH smaller microspcopic creatures out there.
The Water Bear doesn't fit so the old Procrustean Bed is pulled
out to MAKE IT FIT!
I think the Water Bear didn't evolve. It might even be an ET GMO
made with a lot more skill than Monsanto has and with a benign
purpose that Homo SAP isn't aware of. Whenever the scientific
community isn't aware of something, or cannot measure it, they
always claim it's NOT THERE. So the Tardigrades are just another
curiosity for our scientists rather than evidence of a giant
flaw in evolutionary theory.
I think the Water Bear is a rather cute ET.
1.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 9, 2018, 9:10 pm
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--- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
>
> [quote author=agelbert link=topic=559.msg9200#msg9200
date=1348563439]
> Karpotok,
> I'm talking to you. //
>
> Take it easy, Karpatok. And write that article about Adele
Davis so maybe you-know-who will to get his head out of his arse
and adopt a more healthy diet! I'll proof read it and put
pictures in it if you want help packaging it for Da Godfader.
Surly1 has also offered help.
>
> The vitriol I am pretty tired of here is NOT centered on you
although you have succeeded from time to time in getting my
dander up.
>
> My exhaustion is based on a perception, accurate or not, that,
as the song whose title I forgot goes, "There ain't no use in
takin' when there ain't nobody listening".
>
> But I'm an ornery sob so I may just hang around to see who I
can **** off. :icon_mrgreen:
>
> I recommend you do the same, Xena. Just try to keep a healthy
sense of humor and don't take yourself so seriously.
>
> The world is ALL **** UP. There is a huge probability that we
won't make a dent in the monstrous momentum of evil and death
facing us. But we can give it the old college try.
>
> I do it because I think it's God's will. You do it because you
think it's the right thing to do and you don't need some dumb
**** "crutch" called faith in and obedience to the will of God.
>
> As far as I'm concerned the walking is what counts regardless
of the talking. Curse my God all you want. As long as you
continue to stand up for justice and the downtrodden, I'll cheer
you on. :emthup:
>
> Karpatok walks in and is greeted by Agelebert: Hi Xena, how's
it going?
>
> Karpatok: I feel like fading into the shadows.
>
> Agelbert: Don't worry, you'll get over it.
>
> Karpatok: :thefinger:
>
> Agelbert: That's better. Just don't let it happen again. ;D
>
> FWIW, this exchange is one of the reasons I come to the Diner
and have invested so much tme and effort in it. It is difficult
to have a genuinely human exchange in a virtual community, but
here it is. The humanity and decency in AG's approach is a model
we all ought to emulate. Well done.
>
> Glad to see you back.
>
> And take heart-- some of us are reading, and listening,
whether we reply or not.
>
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 7:27 pm
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Agelbert NOTE: TAE = The Automatic Earth 👎 web site.
--- Quote from: RE link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=478.msg4567#msg4567
date=1341801926]
> Let's face it, RE, you don't give two shits about agelbert or
how much effort he put into his comment, or his message, or
anyone else here.
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If I didn't care about Agelbert getting his message out, WHY did
I publish WBIII and edit it for him so it had decent paragraph
breaks AND dig up all the graphics for it also? I don't even
AGREE with half of what he writes! If its all about me, how come
Surly and Peter and Ross are in on this? How come I am happy to
welcome WHD to the Team? Sure I write more than anybody else
but at least up there on the Blog I am always publishing other
viewpoints. You guys are the ones with the blinders on running
the Ego Trip.
You guys got one spin and one spin only over there. Drink the
TAE Kool-Aid or take a Hike. Far as the metaphorical Orkin Man
goes, that is YOU Guys on TAE. You'll send non-believers to the
Guillotine over there and Ban and Censor them at the drop of a
hat. Here on DD, we Forgive and Forget.
RE
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--- Quote from: agelbert link ---
>
> Ashvin,
> You are dead wrong about RE. His style is different from mine
but he, and I, both can spot bullshit, mendacity and verbal
dancing a mile away. You are also out of line in attempting an
explanation of Nicole's position on this or that. You have
danced around the FACT that neither Nicole or Ilargi have gone
into a detailed response to my subsequent posts. You're a good
debater, Ashvin. when someone goes for generalities, you claim
they should be more specific. When someone goes for the
specifics, you claim they are "swamping". You have quite a bit
of skill in dancing around core issues. When you no longer can
dance around a core issue like fossil fuel worship, you reach
for some justification to counter that assertion as well. And
really, Ashvin, this scripture verse quoting you are using on RE
is known as "bible wars". I feel it is improper to attempt to
use scripture to score debating points or put down another
person. I think Karpatok's assessment of Nicole's ivory tower
arrogance and your uncalled for intersession is spot on as well.
>
> I admit I see red every time I see the name George Monbiot. He
is a shill of the nuclear homo sapiens poison pill of the worst
sort because he has a voice and some pro-environment credentials
so yeah, I didn't read the comments before posting. I had read
his piece on another web site. GET THIS, Ashvin, this tool
always follows a pattern. He gets press for some
"pro-environment" position and subsequent articles will then
come up with the BULLSHIT of the "new" and "wonderous" and
"safe" Thorium reactors or some other nuclear high tech poisoned
boondoggle. TAE made a grievous error in giving this tool a
soap box. As to ANYTHING Nicole feels about his or that, she can
come over here and post it. She does not require your mediation.
>
> Getting back to bible verses, here's one of my favorites from
good old Paul in Galatians:
> GOD IS NOT MOCKED, WHATSOEVER YOU SOW, THAT YOU SHALL REAP.
That's not the exact quote, but I think you get the picture. 8)
This, of course, applies to ALL OF US! ;D ;D ;D
>
> If you REALLY believe your pals at TAE are rational
individuals not married to a bankrupt world view and I am the
one being irrational here, try this experiment:
>
> Give them this info and ask them, for the sake of truth and
accuracy at TAE, to become members of the Union of Concerned
Scientists. If they agree to spend a paltry $35 a month (minimum
contribution) to get the real story on climate and energy
reality and corporate skullduggery, then your pals are being
rational and I have overreacted. If not, you and your pals are
the ones being irrational, judgemental and closed minded.
>
> Here's the info:
>
>
> The Union of Concerned Scientists has a new report:
> Some highlights of the report:
> "The 28 companies we investigated spent more than $300 million
lobbying Congress in the run up to possible climate legislation;
>
> Koch Industries alone has spent more than $55 million since
1997 to misrepresent climate science or oppose safeguards to
rein in global warming emissions; and
>
> The oil company ConocoPhillips has backed the campaigns of
anti-climate candidates for Congress by a ratio of more than 15
to 1 over candidates who have supported science-based climate
policies."
>
> "There isn't any real science to say we are altering the
climate path of the earth"
> Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO)
>
>
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
>
> "The Monsanto Company, the leading agricultural biotechnology
company, spends millions each year on advertising aimed at
convincing policy-makers and the public that their so-called
“better seeds” are feeding a growing population, protecting
natural resources, and promoting biodiversity. But the reality
of Monsanto’s products is somewhat less idyllic. In a post on
the Union of Concerned Scientists’ (UCS) blog, The Equation,
Senior Analyst Karen Perry Stillerman unveils a new series of
UCS ads showing that Monsanto is not improving agriculture, but
rather undermining progress toward greater sustainability.
>
> UCS just completed a trilogy of reports assessing the
biotechnology industry’s claims about the potential of genetic
engineering to increase crop yields, reduce nitrogen fertilizer
pollution, and make crops drought-tolerant and water-efficient.
The reports found that genetic engineering has failed to
significantly increase U.S. corn and soybean yields, that it has
yet to produce any commercial crop engineered for nitrogen
efficiency, and that Monsanto’s recently-introduced DroughtGard
corn won’t help farmers withstand extreme droughts or reduce
water use.
> If you’d like to interview Stillerman or hear more about the
ad campaign, call Sarah Goldberg at 215-370-2110."
>
>
>
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
>
> Please consider becoming a member of The Union of Concerned
Scientists. They are thorough, not given to hyperbole or
exaggeration and back up everything they say with hard science.
>
>
> Golden Oxen and JoeP,
> I agree that discretion is the better part of valor when
dealing with "city hall" at TAE. But given their inabillity to
respond rationally to my "conspiracy theory" that the fossil
fuel and nuclear industry is not only poisoning the planet for
profit and destroying democracy as well, they have co-opted the
EROI methodology to give happpy numbers for fossil and nuclear
fuels and sad numbers for renewables, my only recourse is to
continue educating people here with my research so more people
are aware of how thoroughly gamed the energy "playing field" is.
As Karpatok said, they are a small site. TAE is out of line, not
just because of ideological purity, territoriality or "circle
the wagons" type defense of indefensible issues like justifying
EROI computations free of enviornmental degradation
"externalities", but simply because, with the George Monbiot
article they are showing extremely poor judgement. I was
attracted to that sight because of the "nuclear village" article
detailing the abuse of poor japanese by the nuclear industry
there. The lengthy articles and thorough attention to detail
were a joy to me in this short attention span hell we live in
these days. As I told Ashvin some time ago, I HATE twitter. I
told Ashvin I enjoyed the lengthy and thorough thought
provoking comments as another reason to like TAE. And now I'm a
"swamper"!!? You've seen my posts. I enjoy detail and have been
consistent in trying to explain my positions.
>
> So, the only good thing I can say about TAE right now is:
"________________" (This space intentionally left blank).
>
> When you can't say something good, it's better to not say
anything at all. As of this moment, I am beginning a LONG
vacation from TAE.
>
> My guide in these posts will continue to be the truth, not the
defense of my ego.
>
> Finally, I wish to repeat my gratitude to RE principally but
several others here (Surly's thoughtful response to my comment
on Freud was one of the reasons I kept coming back here
initially) like you that ponder these posts as they relate to
our world and our future; not from some turf protecting
infantile position.
>
> Thank you, Doomstead Diners for being GREAT human beings.
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 7:31 pm
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--- Quote from: agelbert link ---
>
> The Union of Concerned Scientists has a new report out
detailing current democracy undermining and disinformation
campaign efforts by the fossil fuel pigs:
>
> Some highlights of the report:
>
> "The 28 companies we investigated spent more than $300 million
lobbying Congress in the run up to possible climate legislation;
>
> Koch Industries alone has spent more than $55 million since
1997 to misrepresent climate science or oppose safeguards to
rein in global warming emissions; and
>
> The oil company ConocoPhillips has backed the campaigns of
anti-climate candidates for Congress by a ratio of more than 15
to 1 over candidates who have supported science-based climate
policies."
>
> Here's one example of a front man for the church of fossil
fuel worship in full moron mode:
> "There isn't any real science to say we are altering the
climate path of the earth"
> Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO)
>
>
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
>
> And Monsanto continues to lie through its teeth:
>
> "The Monsanto Company, the leading agricultural biotechnology
company, spends millions each year on advertising aimed at
convincing policy-makers and the public that their so-called
“better seeds” are feeding a growing population, protecting
natural resources, and promoting biodiversity. But the reality
of Monsanto’s products is somewhat less idyllic. In a post on
the Union of Concerned Scientists’ (UCS) blog, The Equation,
Senior Analyst Karen Perry Stillerman unveils a new series of
UCS ads showing that Monsanto is not improving agriculture, but
rather undermining progress toward greater sustainability.
>
> UCS just completed a trilogy of reports assessing the
biotechnology industry’s claims about the potential of genetic
engineering to increase crop yields, reduce nitrogen fertilizer
pollution, and make crops drought-tolerant and water-efficient.
The reports found that genetic engineering has failed to
significantly increase U.S. corn and soybean yields, that it has
yet to produce any commercial crop engineered for nitrogen
efficiency, and that Monsanto’s recently-introduced DroughtGard
corn won’t help farmers withstand extreme droughts or reduce
water use.
> If you’d like to interview Stillerman or hear more about the
ad campaign, call Sarah Goldberg at 215-370-2110."
>
>
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
>
> Di you get that? DroughtGard corn by Monsanto is a MONSANTO
CORPORATE LIE!
>
> If you can swing it financially, please consider becoming a
member of The Union of Concerned Scientists. The lowest monthly
contribution is $35 dollars. If you can't afford it, you can
always visit their web site and pass along the info that they
have available for non-members. They are thorough, not given to
hyperbole or exageration and back up everything they say with
hard science.
>
> Also, be on the lookout for disinformation from George
Monbiot. He is a shill for the nuclear industry with
pro-environment credentials so he is the most dangerous type.
>
> This article from the Union of concerned Scientists explains
the truth about nuclear power that George Monbiot never does:
>
> The Cost of Nuclear Power: Numbers That Don't Add Up
>
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-cost.html
HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-cost.html
>
> Nuclear power never was and never will be carbon neutral or
cost effective. As the horrendous effects of 400+ ppm of CO2
accumulate and it becomes more and more difficult to hide the
harm that fossil fuels are doing to the biosphere, expect a big
PR push to saddle us with "new and improved" nuclear high tech
boondoggles like Thorium reactors in order to deny sorely needed
government subsidies for renewable R&D by giving them to "green"
reactors instead. They might even come up with one of those
Orwellian bills with a title like "Renewable Funding for a
Better America" which would give .0001 % to renewables and
99.9999 % to new nuclear reactor R&D, land purchases, insurance
coverage and power plant construction.
>
> Why do they do this destructive S H I T? Because the 1% want
to preserve centralized power systems at all costs, period.
>
> Don't be deceived.
>
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 7:34 pm
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--- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashvin 👹 link=topic=478.msg4615#msg4615
date=1341867656]
> OK agelbert,
>
> I'll make one last reply here, and then I'm not going waste
any more time dealing with this NONSENSE.
>
> //
> The bruised egos over here may decide to carry that chip on
their shoulders for the rest of their lives, but I say stop
basking in the reality TV culture and move the f u c k on.
>
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Ah, the fundamentalist mindset in full priapic display. My way,
or the highway, indeed. Move on, because I have lost the
argument.
"By their fruits shall ye know them."
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 7:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Karpatok link ---
>
> @Ashvin Panguri:So before you slink off to sulk and scheme
Ashvin, lets get a few things straight. Number one, it was you
who banned me from posting on The Automatic Earth, not Illargi.
Illargi spoke to RE but not to me. That's your s h i t speak
number one. Number two. As to your being smarter than I and
wanting so much to pummel me. What makes you think I would ever
debate a subject in which I have no interest, a subject which I
find boring, and with a person for whom I feel no respect. As
far as I am concerned you are a liar and a hypocrite, as well as
not being a whole or integrated person. In short, not only are
you not a grown up, you have neither a real life nor the
integrity that comes from having lived a real life versus a
mental fantasy as an escape from dealing with the problems and
commitments of real life. As was said way back on the automatic
earth when you failed to exhibit any emotion regarding the Greek
pensioner who committed suicide, you are not able to truly feel
empathy or sympathy for other people . I doubt whether you are
even capable of forging a relationship with another person. All
of your christian speak is just blowing a smokescreen to hide
your great fear of feelings. You barely keep yourself going by
telling yourself what a smart fellow you are and what a good
competitor you are, all the while being on very shaky ground and
very much alone. Well good luck to you Ashvin because that's not
going to carry you very far in this life, especially not with
what's coming. You think that you don't need anybody yet in
reality you have demonstrated that you are very clingy. As you
fight to prove yourself every step of the way , your true
emptiness will manifest itself more and more as you go on in
your lack of regard for everybody else.
>
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--- Quote from: EndIsNigh link ---
>
> Ashvin, perhaps you should just admit the banning was the
wrong thing to do, EVEN IF Karpatok was wrong. It's the
Christian thing to do.
>
> Let it go.
>
> Can you pass this test of your faith? We're all watching.
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
>
> [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=478.msg4746#msg4746
date=1341981087]
> [quote author=Sunny link=topic=478.msg4744#msg4744
date=1341978250]
> Ashvin - it looks to me that you want to hide your Fundy
leanings from the readership (and perhaps I&S) over at TAE and
perhaps Karpatok wanted to know if this was also the case for
I&S - hence her question (sorry if it appears I'm speaking
speaking for you Karpatok - just the way it looks to me).
--- End Quote ---
Nope, not at all. I know at least half the readership over here
originated at TAE, or overlaps with TAE, and they know who I am.
That doesn't stop me from being 100% honest about what I believe
on DD threads and defending those beliefs. I don't care what
people do or don't know about me. And if someone asks me whether
I'm a Christian on TAE, I'll tell them that I'm the only kind of
Christian worth being - a Fundamentalist.
[/quote]
Ashvin, this attitude reveals much. "The only kind of Christian
worth being?" An attitude rich with intolerance for others,
exuding the zeal of the convert, laden with self-justification.
What is missing is empathy and tolerance. As I often say,
"Ironies abound."
"The only kind of Christian worth being?" I think not. I think
not.
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 8:03 pm
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--- Quote from: RE link ---
>
> [quote author=Golden Oxen link=topic=478.msg4782#msg4782
date=1342014223]
> Just wanted to say there are surely more paths to God
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Many Paths to God. Many MORE ways to get lost on the Trail.
RE
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 8:05 pm
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--- Quote from: EndIsNigh link ---
>
> [quote]Quote Surly "Ashvin, this attitude reveals much. "The
only kind of Christian worth being?" An attitude rich with
intolerance for others, exuding the zeal of the convert, laden
with self-justification. What is missing is empathy and
tolerance. As I often say, "Ironies abound."
>
> "The only kind of Christian worth being?" I think not. I think
not.
>
> This phrase annoyed me as well. I decide not to respond
because I thought it had to be a typo or unintentional remark
misspoken. Just wanted to say there are surely more paths to God
or Jesus than one. It is understandable to me how a person can
be so passionate about something or a belief that he thinks
others views are wrong, but the words "Only Kind Worth Being"
caused a bad vibe and rang loud with the sound of intolerance
within me.
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I stopped discussing this thread when it became very clear
Ashvin was unwilling to accept there can be more than one path.
That was some time before he drove it home with the "only kind
worth being" line.[/quote]
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 8:17 pm
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>
> ::)
>
> It's called having confidence in your beliefs, people. Have
you ever said "I'm a ______ and proud of it!"? Same thing. I'm a
Christian Fundamentalist and proud of it!
>
> I'll admit, though, that I wish people took their Bibles, i.e.
the word of God, at least half as literally as they take short
phrases from some arrogant p r i c k like me in an online
forum...
>
> OK, I'm stopping on this thread for real now, I promise.
>
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>
> [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=478.msg4790#msg4790
date=1342023224]
> ::)
>
> I'll admit, though, that I wish people took their Bibles, i.e.
the word of God, at least half as literally as they take short
phrases from some arrogant prick like me in an online forum...
>
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On this matter, we can fully agree!
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>
> Ashvin, I did not say that I won't read what you write because
you are a Christian. I won't read your material because you are
a Fundamentalist.
>
> My very best friend is a Christian and she embodies all that
is Christian to me. She's loving, patient, tolerant and
empathetic. All qualities that I think, sadly, you lack. That's
why I can't read your material.
>
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Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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DIR By: AGelbert
Date: July 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
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>
> Sheesh. I step away for a few days, and the thread is engulfed
in
> Flames from the Hubs of Hell for page after page.
>
> Karpatok (sp?) is new on me. Amusing rants! Too bad I missed
the
> fun over at TAE; I visit there so seldom.
>
> No surprise about Ilargi, who always struck me as a pompous
> windbag, and intolerant of even mild criticism. I remember him
over
> on the old Latoc: he started a thread and laid out the basic
TAE rap
> about deflationary meltdown, etc. I tossed in some pointed
rejoinders,
> to which he responded half-hysterically, before stomping out
in a huff.
>
> Interesting about Ashvin, Man of the Cloth. I had no idea. I
always
> thought he had Marxist leanings. Though perhaps the two are
not as
> incompatible as some facts suggest (e.g. the militant atheism
of most
> Marxists).
>
> Holy Rollers do tend to be insufferable, though I suppose
there could
> be exceptions.
>
> But, don't mind me. Carry on, all. Should I make a second
batch of
> popcorn?
>
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>
> alan2012,
> Watch out, you may be attracting more convoluted, Orwellian
defenses of the indefensible back at The Amazing Enema site. Or
is it Ilargi's The Atrocious Ego site? I seem to have forgotten.
:icon_mrgreen: At any rate TAE is definitely on "Automatic"
denial of proper EROI numbers for fossil fuels.
>
> Their "realpolitik" fossil fuel numbers exclude subsidies,
dedicated fossil fuel transportation machine building costs (oil
tankers and a lot of gas fracking associated machinery like
trucks that move injection chemicals from site to site and
manufacturing costs for tank trucks that transport the gas) and
environmental degradation costs while attempting to claim that
renewables, which have NONE of those costs because they are
mostly local, have "low" EROI numbers. Nicole (Stoneleigh) goes
on about how renewable high "feed-in tariffs", "subsidies"
(that, regardless of what she claims, don't amount to a hill of
beans compared with the fossil fuel fleecing of the populace
through government corruption but she just does NOT want to go
there) and "low" EROIs all "prove" that renewables aren't
"competitive".
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/>👎 BULLSHIT!
>
> None so blind as those who refuse to see and all that. I'm
done with them. I wiped the dust off my metaphorical sandals at
the The Amazing Enema site. 👎
>
> Glad to see you back. I went back over my Oil Tanker
comment/article as well as the one on EROI to highlight areas
for easy reading if you want to copy and paste any part to post
somewhere else. The church of fossil fuel and nuclear bullshit
artists has a lot of folks pretending to be critical thinkers
but who, in reality, are just status quo defenders of the
present bankrupt and environment destroying paradigm. Anything
we can do to calmly explain to them that they are full of s h i
t is worth doing. ;D
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>
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