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       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 9, 2018, 9:07 pm
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       --- Quote from: agelbert link ---
       >
       > Is this a tiny ET?
       >
       > [center]The Water Bear could have made it the Earth without a
       space ship[/center]
       >
       >
       [center]
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       > [center]The Water Bear is the only creature to have survived
       the vacuum of space.[/center]
       >
       > Suppose you could survive in a vacuum, live in temperatures
       the would fry or freeze most life forms, be just about
       everywhere and when discovered by human scientists, confound
       classification? Like the Duck Billed Platypus, this is one of
       theose creatures that defies the Darwinian evolutionary lockstep
       of modern "science".
       >
       > This creature seems to have come out of nowhere. No ancestors
       or fossils of "previous" evolutionary life forms leading t it
       have been found. The water bear came (possibly from space) with
       the full package of adaptability to a WIDE variety of climate
       conditions. The Water Bear (Tardigrade) is no primitive blue
       green algae or run of the mill microscopic extremophile. It has
       muscles and a digestive tract. It was named "Water Bear" because
       of the way it moves and the claws it has that resemble bear
       claws.
       >
       > [center]
  HTML https://youtu.be/7W194GQ6fHI[/center]
       >
       > [quote]About 1,150 species of tardigrades have been described.
       Tardigrades occur throughout the world, from the Himalayas
       (above 6,000 metres (20,000 ft)), to the deep sea (below 4,000
       metres (13,000 ft)) and from the polar regions to the equator.
       >
       > The most convenient place to find tardigrades is on lichens
       and mosses. Other environments are dunes, beaches, soil, and
       marine or freshwater sediments, where they may occur quite
       frequently (up to 25,000 animals per liter). Tardigrades often
       can be found by soaking a piece of moss in spring water.
       >
       > Tardigrades are able to survive in extreme environments that
       would kill almost any other animal. Some can survive
       temperatures of close to absolute zero, or 0 Kelvin (−273
       °C (−459 °F)),  temperatures as high as 151 °C (304 °F),
       1,000 times more radiation than other animals, and almost a
       decade without water. Since 2007, tardigrades have also returned
       alive from studies in which they have been exposed to the vacuum
       of space for a few days in low Earth orbit. Tardigrades are the
       first animal to survive in space.1
       --- End Quote ---
       All that toughness is great but you need the ability to go into
       suspended animation for successful long duration space travel to
       the planet of the naked killer apes. Does the Water Bear
       deliver? Read on.
       --- Quote ---
       > Tardigrades are one of the few groups of species that are
       capable of reversibly suspending their metabolism and going into
       a state of cryptobiosis. 1
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > Tardigrades have been known to withstand the following
       extremes while in this state:
       >
       > Temperature – tardigrades can survive being heated for a few
       minutes to 151 °C (424 K), or being chilled for days at -200 °C
       (73 K), or for a few minutes at -272 °C (~1 degree above
       absolute zero).
       >
       >  Pressure
       > – they can withstand the extremely low pressure of a vacuum
       and also very high pressures, more than 1,200 times atmospheric
       pressure. Tardigrades can survive the vacuum of open space and
       solar radiation combined for at least 10 days.Some species can
       also withstand pressure of 6,000 atmospheres, which is nearly
       six times the pressure of water in the deepest ocean trench, the
       Mariana trench.
       >
       >  Dehydration
       > – tardigrades have been shown to survive nearly 10 years in a
       dry state. When exposed to extremely low temperatures, their
       body composition goes from 85% water to only 3%. As water
       expands upon freezing, dehydration ensures the tardigrades do
       not get ripped apart by the freezing ice (as waterless tissues
       cannot freeze).
       >
       > Radiation
       > – tardigrades can withstand median lethal doses of 5,000 Gy
       (of gamma-rays) and 6,200 Gy (of heavy ions) in hydrated animals
       (5 to 10 Gy could be fatal to a human). The only explanation
       thus far for this ability is that their lowered water state
       provides fewer reactants for the ionizing radiation.
       > Environmental  toxins
       > – tardigrades can undergo chemobiosis—a cryptobiotic response
       to high levels of environmental toxins. However, these
       laboratory results have yet to be verified.
       >
       >  Outer space
       > – In September 2007, tardigrades were taken into low Earth
       orbit on the FOTON-M3 mission and for 10 days were exposed to
       the vacuum of space. After being rehydrated back on Earth, over
       68% of the subjects protected from high-energy UV radiation
       survived and many of these produced viable embryos, and a
       handful had survived full exposure to solar radiation. In May
       2011, tardigrades were sent into space along with other
       extremophiles on STS-134, the final flight of Space Shuttle
       Endeavour 1
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It looks like this MEEK little creature has a much better chance
       of inheriting the Earth than the ARROGANT naked killer apes do.
       The Biosphere is always teaching. It's too bad Homo SAP isn't
       learning jack s h i t.
       Do you want to have some fun? Go to the Wikipeda link and read
       the exercise in cheap rationalization and grasping at
       evolutionary straws from the scientific classification
       cubbyholers trying to push the Tardigrades into some convenient
       evolutionary niche (Evolutionary relationships and history 1).
       They can't find fossils so they make the RIDICULOUS claim that
       this multicellular creature that has a chitinous cover (like
       many insects THAT DO LEAVE FOSSILS BECAUSE OF THE CHITINOUS
       COVERING)  is "too small" to leave fossils. SAY WHAT!!? There
       are fossils for MUCH smaller microspcopic creatures out there.
       The Water Bear doesn't fit so the old Procrustean Bed is pulled
       out to MAKE IT FIT!
       I think the Water Bear didn't evolve. It might even be an ET GMO
       made with a lot more skill than Monsanto has and with a benign
       purpose that Homo SAP isn't aware of. Whenever the scientific
       community isn't aware of something, or cannot measure it, they
       always claim it's NOT THERE. So the Tardigrades are just another
       curiosity for our scientists rather than evidence of a giant
       flaw in evolutionary theory.
       I think the Water Bear is a rather cute ET.
       1.
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       #Post#: 10285--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
       🌟
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 9, 2018, 9:10 pm
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       --- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=agelbert link=topic=559.msg9200#msg9200
       date=1348563439]
       > Karpotok,
       > I'm talking to you. //
       >
       > Take it easy, Karpatok. And write that article about Adele
       Davis so maybe you-know-who will to get his head out of his arse
       and adopt a more healthy diet! I'll proof read it and put
       pictures in it if you want help packaging it for Da Godfader.
       Surly1 has also offered help.
       >
       > The vitriol I am pretty tired of here is NOT centered on you
       although you have succeeded from time to time in getting my
       dander up.
       >
       > My exhaustion is based on a perception, accurate or not, that,
       as the song whose title I forgot goes, "There ain't no use in
       takin' when there ain't nobody listening".
       >
       > But I'm an ornery sob so I may just hang around to see who I
       can **** off.  :icon_mrgreen:
       >
       > I recommend you do the same, Xena. Just try to keep a healthy
       sense of humor and don't take yourself so seriously.
       >
       > The world is ALL **** UP. There is a huge probability that we
       won't make a dent in the monstrous momentum of evil and death
       facing us. But we can give it the old college try.
       >
       > I do it because I think it's God's will. You do it because you
       think it's the right thing to do and you don't need some dumb
       **** "crutch" called faith in and obedience to the will of God.
       >
       > As far as I'm concerned the walking is what counts regardless
       of the talking. Curse my God all you want. As long as you
       continue to stand up for justice and the downtrodden, I'll cheer
       you on. :emthup:
       >
       > Karpatok walks in and is greeted by Agelebert: Hi Xena, how's
       it going?
       >
       > Karpatok: I feel like fading into the shadows.
       >
       > Agelbert: Don't worry, you'll get over it.
       >
       > Karpatok:  :thefinger:
       >
       > Agelbert: That's better. Just don't let it happen again.  ;D
       >
       > FWIW, this exchange is one of the reasons I come to the Diner
       and have invested so much tme and effort in it. It is difficult
       to have a genuinely human exchange in a virtual community, but
       here it is. The humanity and decency in AG's approach is a model
       we all ought to emulate. Well done.
       >
       > Glad to see you back.
       >
       > And take heart-- some of us are reading, and listening,
       whether we reply or not.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 10335--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
       🌟
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 7:27 pm
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       Agelbert NOTE: TAE = The Automatic Earth 👎 web site.
       --- Quote from: RE link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=478.msg4567#msg4567
       date=1341801926]
       > Let's face it, RE, you don't give two shits about agelbert or
       how much effort he put into his comment, or his message, or
       anyone else here.
       --- End Quote ---
       If I didn't care about Agelbert getting his message out, WHY did
       I publish WBIII and edit it for him so it had decent paragraph
       breaks AND dig up all the graphics for it also?  I don't even
       AGREE with half of what he writes! If its all about me, how come
       Surly and Peter and Ross are in on this? How come I am happy to
       welcome WHD to the Team?  Sure I write more than anybody else
       but at least up there on the Blog I am always publishing other
       viewpoints.  You guys are the ones with the blinders on running
       the Ego Trip.
       You guys got one spin and one spin only over there.  Drink the
       TAE Kool-Aid or take a Hike. Far as the metaphorical Orkin Man
       goes, that is YOU Guys on TAE. You'll send non-believers to the
       Guillotine over there and Ban and Censor them at the drop of a
       hat.  Here on DD, we Forgive and Forget.
       RE
       [/quote]
       --- Quote from: agelbert link ---
       >
       > Ashvin,
       > You are dead wrong about RE. His style is different from mine
       but he, and I, both can spot bullshit, mendacity and verbal
       dancing a mile away. You are also out of line in attempting an
       explanation of Nicole's position on this or that. You have
       danced around the FACT that neither Nicole or Ilargi have gone
       into a detailed response to my subsequent posts. You're a good
       debater, Ashvin. when someone goes for generalities, you claim
       they should be more specific. When someone goes for the
       specifics, you claim they are "swamping". You have quite a bit
       of skill in dancing around core issues. When you no longer can
       dance around a core issue like fossil fuel worship, you reach
       for some justification to counter that assertion as well. And
       really, Ashvin, this scripture verse quoting you are using on RE
       is known as "bible wars". I feel it is improper to attempt to
       use scripture to score debating points or put down another
       person. I think Karpatok's assessment of Nicole's ivory tower
       arrogance and your uncalled for intersession is spot on as well.
       >
       > I admit I see red every time I see the name George Monbiot. He
       is a shill of the nuclear homo sapiens poison pill of the worst
       sort because he has a voice and some pro-environment credentials
       so yeah, I didn't read the comments before posting. I had read
       his piece on another web site. GET THIS, Ashvin, this tool
       always follows a pattern. He gets press for some
       "pro-environment" position and subsequent  articles will then
       come up with the BULLSHIT of the "new" and "wonderous" and
       "safe" Thorium reactors or some other nuclear high tech poisoned
       boondoggle.  TAE made a grievous error in giving this tool a
       soap box. As to ANYTHING Nicole feels about his or that, she can
       come over here and post it. She does not require your mediation.
       >
       > Getting back to bible verses, here's one of my favorites from
       good old Paul in Galatians:
       > GOD IS NOT MOCKED, WHATSOEVER YOU SOW, THAT YOU SHALL REAP.
       That's not the exact quote, but I think you get the picture. 8)
       This, of course, applies to ALL OF US!  ;D ;D ;D
       >
       > If you REALLY believe your pals at TAE are rational
       individuals not married to a bankrupt world view and I am the
       one being irrational here, try this experiment:
       >
       > Give them this info and ask them, for the sake of truth and
       accuracy at TAE, to become members of the Union of Concerned
       Scientists. If they agree to spend a paltry $35 a month (minimum
       contribution) to get the real story on climate and energy
       reality and corporate skullduggery, then your pals are being
       rational and I have overreacted. If not, you and your pals are
       the ones being irrational, judgemental and closed minded.
       >
       > Here's the info:
       >
       >
       > The Union of Concerned Scientists has a new report:
       > Some highlights of the report:
       > "The 28 companies we investigated spent more than $300 million
       lobbying Congress in the run up to possible climate legislation;
       >
       > Koch Industries alone has spent more than $55 million since
       1997 to misrepresent climate science or oppose safeguards to
       rein in global warming emissions; and
       >
       > The oil company ConocoPhillips has backed the campaigns of
       anti-climate candidates for Congress by a ratio of more than 15
       to 1 over candidates who have supported science-based climate
       policies."
       >
       > "There isn't any real science to say we are altering the
       climate path of the earth"
       > Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO)
       >
       >
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
       >
       > "The Monsanto Company, the leading agricultural biotechnology
       company, spends millions each year on advertising aimed at
       convincing policy-makers and the public that their so-called
       “better seeds” are feeding a growing population, protecting
       natural resources, and promoting biodiversity. But the reality
       of Monsanto’s products is somewhat less idyllic. In a post on
       the Union of Concerned Scientists’ (UCS) blog, The Equation,
       Senior Analyst Karen Perry Stillerman unveils a new series of
       UCS ads showing that Monsanto is not improving agriculture, but
       rather undermining progress toward greater sustainability.
       >
       > UCS just completed a trilogy of reports assessing the
       biotechnology industry’s claims about the potential of genetic
       engineering to increase crop yields, reduce nitrogen fertilizer
       pollution, and make crops drought-tolerant and water-efficient.
       The reports found that genetic engineering has failed to
       significantly increase U.S. corn and soybean yields, that it has
       yet to produce any commercial crop engineered for nitrogen
       efficiency, and that Monsanto’s recently-introduced DroughtGard
       corn won’t help farmers withstand extreme droughts or reduce
       water use.
       > If you’d like to interview Stillerman or hear more about the
       ad campaign, call Sarah Goldberg at 215-370-2110."
       >
       >
       >
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
       >
       > Please consider becoming a member of The Union of Concerned
       Scientists. They are thorough, not given to hyperbole or
       exaggeration and back up everything they say with hard science.
       >
       >
       > Golden Oxen and JoeP,
       > I agree that discretion is the better part of valor when
       dealing with "city hall" at TAE.  But given their inabillity to
       respond rationally to my "conspiracy theory" that the fossil
       fuel and nuclear industry is not only poisoning the planet for
       profit and destroying democracy as well, they have co-opted the
       EROI methodology to give happpy numbers for fossil and nuclear
       fuels and sad numbers for renewables, my only recourse is to
       continue educating people here with my research so more people
       are aware of how thoroughly gamed the energy "playing field" is.
       As Karpatok said, they are a small site. TAE is out of line, not
       just because of ideological purity, territoriality or "circle
       the wagons" type defense of indefensible issues like justifying
       EROI computations free of enviornmental degradation
       "externalities", but simply because, with the George Monbiot
       article they are showing extremely poor judgement. I was
       attracted to that sight because of the "nuclear village" article
       detailing the abuse of poor japanese by the nuclear industry
       there. The lengthy articles and thorough attention to detail
       were a joy to me in this short attention span hell we live in
       these days. As I told Ashvin some time ago, I HATE twitter. I
       told Ashvin I enjoyed the lengthy and thorough thought
       provoking comments  as another reason to like TAE. And now I'm a
       "swamper"!!? You've seen my posts. I enjoy detail and have been
       consistent in trying to explain my positions.
       >
       > So, the only good thing I can say about TAE right now is:
       "________________" (This space intentionally left blank).
       >
       > When you can't say something good, it's better to not say
       anything at all.  As of this moment, I am beginning a LONG
       vacation from TAE.
       >
       > My guide in these posts will continue to be the truth, not the
       defense of my ego.
       >
       > Finally, I wish to repeat my gratitude to RE principally but
       several others here (Surly's thoughtful response to my comment
       on Freud was one of the reasons I kept coming back here
       initially)  like you that ponder these posts as they relate to
       our world and our future; not from some turf protecting
       infantile position.
       >
       > Thank you, Doomstead Diners for being GREAT human beings.
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       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 10336--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
       &#127775;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 7:31 pm
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       --- Quote from: agelbert link ---
       >
       > The Union of Concerned Scientists has a new report out
       detailing current democracy undermining and disinformation
       campaign efforts by the fossil fuel pigs:
       >
       > Some highlights of the report:
       >
       > "The 28 companies we investigated spent more than $300 million
       lobbying Congress in the run up to possible climate legislation;
       >
       > Koch Industries alone has spent more than $55 million since
       1997 to misrepresent climate science or oppose safeguards to
       rein in global warming emissions; and
       >
       > The oil company ConocoPhillips has backed the campaigns of
       anti-climate candidates for Congress by a ratio of more than 15
       to 1 over candidates who have supported science-based climate
       policies."
       >
       > Here's one example of a front man for the church of fossil
       fuel worship in full moron mode:
       > "There isn't any real science to say we are altering the
       climate path of the earth"
       > Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO)
       >
       >
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
       >
       > And Monsanto continues to lie through its teeth:
       >
       > "The Monsanto Company, the leading agricultural biotechnology
       company, spends millions each year on advertising aimed at
       convincing policy-makers and the public that their so-called
       “better seeds” are feeding a growing population, protecting
       natural resources, and promoting biodiversity. But the reality
       of Monsanto’s products is somewhat less idyllic. In a post on
       the Union of Concerned Scientists’ (UCS) blog, The Equation,
       Senior Analyst Karen Perry Stillerman unveils a new series of
       UCS ads showing that Monsanto is not improving agriculture, but
       rather undermining progress toward greater sustainability.
       >
       > UCS just completed a trilogy of reports assessing the
       biotechnology industry’s claims about the potential of genetic
       engineering to increase crop yields, reduce nitrogen fertilizer
       pollution, and make crops drought-tolerant and water-efficient.
       The reports found that genetic engineering has failed to
       significantly increase U.S. corn and soybean yields, that it has
       yet to produce any commercial crop engineered for nitrogen
       efficiency, and that Monsanto’s recently-introduced DroughtGard
       corn won’t help farmers withstand extreme droughts or reduce
       water use.
       > If you’d like to interview Stillerman or hear more about the
       ad campaign, call Sarah Goldberg at 215-370-2110."
       >
       >
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/
       >
       > Di you get that? DroughtGard corn by Monsanto is a MONSANTO
       CORPORATE LIE!
       >
       > If you can swing it financially, please consider becoming a
       member of The Union of Concerned Scientists. The lowest monthly
       contribution is $35 dollars.  If you can't afford it, you can
       always visit their web site and pass along the info that they
       have available for non-members. They are thorough, not given to
       hyperbole or exageration and back up everything they say with
       hard science.
       >
       > Also, be on the lookout for disinformation from George
       Monbiot. He is a shill for the nuclear industry with
       pro-environment credentials so he is the most dangerous type.
       >
       > This article from the Union of concerned Scientists explains
       the truth about nuclear power that George Monbiot never does:
       >
       > The Cost of Nuclear Power: Numbers That Don't Add Up
       >
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-cost.html
  HTML http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_and_global_warming/nuclear-power-cost.html
       >
       > Nuclear power never was and never will be carbon neutral or
       cost effective. As the horrendous effects of 400+ ppm of CO2
       accumulate and it becomes more and more difficult to hide the
       harm that fossil fuels are doing to the biosphere, expect a big
       PR push to saddle us with "new and improved" nuclear high tech
       boondoggles like Thorium reactors in order to deny sorely needed
       government subsidies for renewable R&D by giving them to "green"
       reactors instead. They might even come up with one of those
       Orwellian bills with a title like "Renewable Funding for a
       Better America" which would give .0001 % to renewables and
       99.9999 % to new nuclear reactor R&D, land purchases, insurance
       coverage and power plant construction.
       >
       > Why do they do this destructive S H I T? Because the 1% want
       to preserve centralized power systems at all costs, period.
       >
       > Don't be deceived.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 10337--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
       &#127775;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 7:34 pm
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       --- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Ashvin &#128121; link=topic=478.msg4615#msg4615
       date=1341867656]
       > OK agelbert,
       >
       > I'll make one last reply here, and then I'm not going waste
       any more time dealing with this NONSENSE.
       >
       > //
       > The bruised egos over here may decide to carry that chip on
       their shoulders for the rest of their lives, but I say stop
       basking in the reality TV culture and move the f u c k on.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Ah, the fundamentalist mindset in full priapic display. My way,
       or the highway, indeed. Move on, because I have lost the
       argument.
       "By their fruits shall ye know them."
       [/quote]
       
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       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
       &#127775;
   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 7:57 pm
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       --- Quote from: Karpatok link ---
       >
       > @Ashvin Panguri:So before you slink off to sulk and scheme
       Ashvin, lets get a few things straight. Number one, it was you
       who banned me from posting on The Automatic Earth, not Illargi.
       Illargi spoke to RE but not to me. That's your s h i t speak
       number one. Number two. As to your being smarter than I and
       wanting so much to pummel me. What makes you think I would ever
       debate a subject in which I have no interest, a subject which I
       find boring, and with a person for whom I feel no respect. As
       far as I am concerned you are a liar and a hypocrite, as well as
       not being a whole or integrated person. In short, not only are
       you not a grown up, you have neither a real life nor the
       integrity that comes from having lived a real life versus a
       mental fantasy as an escape from dealing with the problems and
       commitments of real life. As was said way back on the automatic
       earth when you failed to exhibit any emotion regarding the Greek
       pensioner who committed  suicide, you are not able to truly feel
       empathy or sympathy for other people . I doubt whether you are
       even capable of forging a relationship with another person. All
       of your christian speak is just blowing a smokescreen to hide
       your great fear of feelings. You barely keep yourself going by
       telling yourself what a smart fellow you are and what a good
       competitor you are, all the while being on very shaky ground and
       very much alone. Well good luck to you Ashvin because that's not
       going to carry you very far in this life, especially not with
       what's coming. You think that you don't need anybody yet in
       reality you have demonstrated that you are very clingy. As you
       fight to prove yourself every step of the way , your true
       emptiness will manifest itself more and more as you go on in
       your lack of regard for everybody else.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: EndIsNigh link ---
       >
       > Ashvin, perhaps you should just admit the banning was the
       wrong thing to do, EVEN IF Karpatok was wrong.  It's the
       Christian thing to do.
       >
       > Let it go.
       >
       > Can you pass this test of your faith?  We're all watching.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=478.msg4746#msg4746
       date=1341981087]
       > [quote author=Sunny link=topic=478.msg4744#msg4744
       date=1341978250]
       > Ashvin -  it looks to me that you want to hide your Fundy
       leanings from the readership (and perhaps I&S) over at TAE and
       perhaps Karpatok wanted to know if this was also the case for
       I&S - hence her question (sorry if it appears I'm speaking
       speaking for you Karpatok - just the way it looks to me).
       --- End Quote ---
       Nope, not at all. I know at least half the readership over here
       originated at TAE, or overlaps with TAE, and they know who I am.
       That doesn't stop me from being 100% honest about what I believe
       on DD threads and defending those beliefs. I don't care what
       people do or don't know about me. And if someone asks me whether
       I'm a Christian on TAE, I'll tell them that I'm the only kind of
       Christian worth being - a Fundamentalist.
       [/quote]
       Ashvin, this attitude reveals much. "The only kind of Christian
       worth being?" An attitude rich with intolerance for others,
       exuding the zeal of the convert, laden with self-justification.
       What is missing is empathy and tolerance. As I often say,
       "Ironies abound."
       "The only kind of Christian worth being?" I think not. I think
       not.
       [/quote]
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       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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       Date: July 14, 2018, 8:03 pm
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       --- Quote from: RE link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Golden Oxen link=topic=478.msg4782#msg4782
       date=1342014223]
       > Just wanted to say there are surely more paths to God
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       Many Paths to God.  Many MORE ways to get lost on the Trail.
       RE
       [/quote]
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       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 8:05 pm
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       --- Quote from: EndIsNigh link ---
       >
       > [quote]Quote Surly "Ashvin, this attitude reveals much. "The
       only kind of Christian worth being?" An attitude rich with
       intolerance for others, exuding the zeal of the convert, laden
       with self-justification. What is missing is empathy and
       tolerance. As I often say, "Ironies abound."
       >
       > "The only kind of Christian worth being?" I think not. I think
       not.
       >
       > This phrase annoyed me as well. I decide not to respond
       because I thought it had to be a typo or unintentional remark
       misspoken. Just wanted to say there are surely more paths to God
       or Jesus than one. It is understandable to me how a person can
       be so passionate about something or a belief that he thinks
       others views are wrong, but the words "Only Kind Worth Being"
       caused a bad vibe and rang loud with the sound of intolerance
       within me.
       --- End Quote ---
       I stopped discussing this thread when it became very clear
       Ashvin was unwilling to accept there can be more than one path.
       That was some time before he drove it home with the "only kind
       worth being" line.[/quote]
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       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 8:17 pm
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       --- Quote from: Ashvin &#128520; link ---
       >
       > ::)
       >
       > It's called having confidence in your beliefs, people. Have
       you ever said "I'm a ______ and proud of it!"? Same thing. I'm a
       Christian Fundamentalist and proud of it!
       >
       > I'll admit, though, that I wish people took their Bibles, i.e.
       the word of God, at least half as literally as they take short
       phrases from some arrogant p r i c k like me in an online
       forum...
       >
       > OK, I'm stopping on this thread for real now, I promise.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote from: Surly1 link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Ashvin link=topic=478.msg4790#msg4790
       date=1342023224]
       > ::)
       >
       > I'll admit, though, that I wish people took their Bibles, i.e.
       the word of God, at least half as literally as they take short
       phrases from some arrogant prick like me in an online forum...
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       On this matter, we can fully agree!
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       >
       > Ashvin, I did not say that I won't read what you write because
       you are a Christian. I won't read your material because you are
       a Fundamentalist.
       >
       > My very best friend is a Christian and she embodies all that
       is Christian to me. She's loving, patient, tolerant and
       empathetic. All qualities that I think, sadly, you lack. That's
       why I can't read your material.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       
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       Re: Blasts from the 2012 to 2013 past when there was more HOPE
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   DIR By: AGelbert
       Date: July 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
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       --- Quote from: alan2102 link ---
       >
       > Sheesh. I step away for a few days, and the thread is engulfed
       in
       > Flames from the Hubs of Hell for page after page.
       >
       > Karpatok (sp?) is new on me.  Amusing rants!  Too bad I missed
       the
       > fun over at TAE; I visit there so seldom.
       >
       > No surprise about Ilargi, who always struck me as a pompous
       > windbag, and intolerant of even mild criticism. I remember him
       over
       > on the old Latoc: he started a thread and laid out the basic
       TAE rap
       > about deflationary meltdown, etc.  I tossed in some pointed
       rejoinders,
       > to which he responded half-hysterically, before stomping out
       in a huff.
       >
       > Interesting about Ashvin, Man of the Cloth. I had no idea.  I
       always
       > thought he had Marxist leanings. Though perhaps the two are
       not as
       > incompatible as some facts suggest (e.g. the militant atheism
       of most
       > Marxists).
       >
       > Holy Rollers do tend to be insufferable, though I suppose
       there could
       > be exceptions.
       >
       > But, don't mind me. Carry on, all.  Should I make a second
       batch of
       > popcorn?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
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       >
       > alan2012,
       > Watch out, you may be attracting more convoluted, Orwellian
       defenses of the indefensible back at The Amazing Enema site. Or
       is it Ilargi's The Atrocious Ego site? I seem to have forgotten.
       :icon_mrgreen: At any rate TAE is definitely on "Automatic"
       denial of proper EROI numbers for fossil fuels.
       >
       > Their "realpolitik" fossil fuel numbers exclude subsidies,
       dedicated fossil fuel transportation machine building costs (oil
       tankers and a lot of gas fracking associated machinery like
       trucks that move injection chemicals from site to site and
       manufacturing costs for tank trucks that transport the gas) and
       environmental degradation costs while attempting to claim that
       renewables, which have NONE of those costs because they are
       mostly local, have "low" EROI numbers. Nicole (Stoneleigh) goes
       on about how renewable high "feed-in tariffs",  "subsidies"
       (that, regardless of what she claims, don't amount to a hill of
       beans compared with the fossil fuel fleecing of the populace
       through government corruption but she just does NOT want to go
       there) and "low" EROIs all "prove" that renewables aren't
       "competitive".
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       />&#128078; BULLSHIT!
       >
       > None so blind as those who refuse to see and all that. I'm
       done with them. I wiped the dust off my metaphorical sandals at
       the The Amazing Enema site. &#128078;
       >
       > Glad to see you back. I went back over my Oil Tanker
       comment/article as well as the one on EROI to highlight areas
       for easy reading if you want to copy and paste any part to post
       somewhere else. The church of fossil fuel and nuclear bullshit
       artists has a lot of folks pretending to be critical thinkers
       but who, in reality, are just status quo defenders of the
       present bankrupt and environment destroying paradigm. Anything
       we can do to calmly explain to them that they are full of s h i
       t is worth doing.  ;D
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       >
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