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       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 7, 2018, 3:27 pm
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       The [img
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       />can't escape blame for climate change
       By Dana Nuccitelli
       Mon 6 Aug 2018 06.00 EDT
       SNIPPET 1:
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       SNIPPET2:
       In the key 1983 press briefing, Nierenberg [img
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       found no urgent need for action. Nierenberg’s false summary made
       headlines around the world and stymied climate policy efforts
       for years to come. Only after 1985 when the discovery of ozone
       depletion captured worldwide attention was climate change able
       to ride its coattails back into serious policy discussions.
       SNIPPET 3:
       Culprit #2: the fossil fuel industry
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       In his unfortunate Prologue, Rich also describes the fossil fuel
       industry as “a common boogeyman.” He argues that the fossil fuel
       industry didn’t mobilize to kill the 1989 Noordwijk negotiation.
       That’s true, because it didn’t have to; had the treaty even
       succeeded, it would have just been the very first step in global
       efforts to cut carbon pollution.
       [quote]Leah Stokes
       (@leahstokes)
       Of course Exxon wasn’t running a denial campaign until the
       1990s. They didn’t need to yet. The threat of policy action was
       remote. When action became more likely, that’s when fossil fuel
       companies started their lying in earnest. 6/
       August 1, 2018[/quote]
       Immediately after the Noordwijk shot came across its bow, the
       fossil fuel industry launched a decades-long,
       many-million-dollar campaign to undermine public trust of
       climate science and support for climate policy. For example, the
       Global Climate Coalition (GCC) fossil fuel industry group formed
       in 1989. By the time the 1992 Rio Earth Summit rolled around,
       these polluter industry organizations began heavily investing in
       disinformation campaigns to undermine international and domestic
       climate policies. Speaking about the Rio summit, Bush &#129408;
       sounded like Donald Trump &#129408;, saying:
       [quote]I’m not going to go to the Rio conference and make a bad
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       Bill Clinton proposed an energy tax to try and meet the treaty
       goals anyway, but the GCC invested $1.8m in a disinformation
       campaign, and Congress voted it down. The GCC then spent $13m to
       weaken support for the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, and the Senate voted
       95-0 to pre-emptively declare its opposition to the treaty.
       Since then, Exxon [img
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       />alone has given $31m to climate-denying organizations.
       [move]&#128226; It’s been three decades since 1989 &#128544;
       [/move]
       The fossil fuel industry is one exceptionally wealthy,
       influential, and powerful ‘boogeyman.’ As Rich notes in his
       Epilogue, it’s also been quite successful:
       More carbon has been released into the atmosphere since the
       final day of the Noordwijk conference, Nov. 7, 1989, than in the
       entire history of civilization preceding it
       Apparently at a private dinner the night before his piece was
       published, Rich described the fossil fuel industry as being
       “guilty of crimes against humanity.” It’s a shame that his story
       took on such a different tone. As Benjamin Franta, PhD student
       in the history of science at Stanford summarized it:
       One common mistake in this NYT magazine piece is the idea that
       companies like Exxon somehow changed from “good” (doing research
       in the 1970s and ‘80s) to “bad” (promoting denial in the ‘90s
       and 2000s). Exxon’s own memos show that the purpose of its
       research program was to influence regulation, not to solve the
       climate problem per se. The industry-organized disinformation
       campaign that emerged at the end of the 1980s was in response to
       binding policies that were just then being proposed. If such
       policies were proposed earlier, it stands to reason that the
       industry response would have occurred earlier as well. To say
       that industry disinformation isn’t the whole story is to knock
       down a straw man: the fact remains that it is a major--and
       perhaps the most important--part of the story.
       In the alternative universe where the Bush administration didn’t
       sabotage the Noordwijk climate treaty, the fossil fuel industry
       would still have crippled global climate policies through its
       misinformation campaign and by purchasing the Republican Party’s
       climate denial complicity. 1989 was a missed opportunity, but
       the fossil fuel industry and GOP can’t escape responsibility for
       the ensuing three decades of climate failures.
       Full article:
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       [move][I][font=impact]The Fossil Fuelers &#129430; DID THE Clean
       Energy  Inventions suppressing, Climate Trashing, human health
       depleting CRIME,[COLOR=BROWN]   but since they have ALWAYS BEEN
       liars and conscience free crooks &#129408;, they are trying to
       AVOID [/color]  DOING THE TIME or     PAYING THE FINE!     Don't
       let them get away with it! Pass it on!   [/font][/I][/move]
       #Post#: 10561--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 8, 2018, 6:34 pm
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       [center]Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s Plan To Take Tesla Private
       ;D[/center]
       August 7th, 2018 by Kyle Field
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       Agelbert COMMENT to Zachary Shahan of Cleantechnica:
       Zach, nobody here seems to want to mention it (except Kyle in
       the article), but the Saudi move is evidence that the
       Hydrocarbon Hellspawn fossil fuelers smell the bankruptcy coffee
       from losing their market for the (former refinery waste)
       products called gasoline and diesel.
       I have done the math over and over. The "business model" of the
       Fossil Fuel Industry is a dead man walking without a welfare
       queen subsidized market for liquid pllanet polluting fuels.
       That is the REAL bottom line for those crooks. They are,
       therefore, going all out to destroy the competition. This is not
       new to the Hydrocarbon Hellspawn. This is a part of their "buy
       em' or bop em'" fascist "business model".
       Elon has anticipated those dastardly fossi lfuelers at every
       turn and beat them with high tech products and publlic good
       will.
       But now, the threat to Tesla is an order of magnitude greater.
       Now, you can be 100% certain that Trump is backing the Saudi
       move with all the skullduggery he can muster.
       Therefore, the e-mail announcing the possible move to go private
       is exactly the right move. Every shareholder will now realize
       what the Saudis (and the Koch/Exxon/Chevron,etc. et al tools,
       including Trump) are up to.
       As a group the shareholders will individually put pressure on
       brokers to NOT sell without specific permission. All the hedge
       funds and pension funds that hold Tesla stock will be hearing ,
       LOUD AND CLEAR, from people of good will that they will NOT
       agree to a hostile takeover from polluters.
       So, with just a single e-mail, Elon has forced the cretins from
       the Hydrocarbon Hellspawn to abandon any hope of destroying the
       company with shorts (the "bop em'" mafia tactic they have used
       often to destroy the competition).
       Simultaneously, the e-mail also exposes the "buy em'" option as
       an attempt to destroy the competition against liquid hydrocarbon
       fuels, effectivel destroying the underhanded, but clever, fossil
       fueller plan to fool the public into believing the stock buy is
       a "Saudi move o Renewable Energy".
       The Hydrocarbon Hellspawn are against the wall. They fight VERY
       dirty when they are threatened.
       Elon Musk needs every single person that understands the good
       that he is trying to accomplish to get active and call out the
       happy talk lies about polluting cars over and over and over
       again.
       For those of us who cannot afford an EV, drive your gas guzzler
       as little as possible. BANKRUPT the fossil fuelers. They CANNOT
       survive without selling us a LOT of polluting fuel.
       If we do not win this fight against the polluters, we are all
       dead. This is the fight of our lives, people.
       Zach, if you could publish a breakdown of how depoendent on
       selling polluting fuels the Hydrocarbon Hellspawn are, it would
       help to explain why the fossil fuel industry is trying so hard
       to destroy the EV business model.
       Everyone needs to understand that behind ALL fossil fuel
       industry moves like what the Saudis are doing (and what Trump is
       doing to force California to not adopt more environmentally
       friendly stringent fuel economy standards) is THIS (see below):
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       Climate Denial Is Now US Policy
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       Zachary Shahan Community Manager > agelbert
       Thanks. This was an idea for my next or 2nd next article. I'm a
       bit torn on motives here, but want to put both out there for
       many to consider.
       agelbert  > Zachary Shahan
       Excellent! Thank you.
       Wallace on Tesla Stock Shorters:
       With $17 (?) billion at risk it seems like a group of them would
       simply stake out the Fremont factory for a day or two and count
       the new cars coming out. Hell, they could hire a private
       investigator.
       Either the numbers are coming out or they aren't. The only thing
       left is somehow Elon is cooking the books and hiding huge
       amounts of spending.
       A few million dollars, I can see that being the Anti-Tesla Cult
       money, but this is billions. Serious money that someone must be
       taking seriously.
       agelbert > Wallace:
       See my comment to Zach. You may not agree with it but, if what I
       said is correct (and I stand by my claim that it is correct),
       then it explains why all the serious money from the Hydrocarbon
       Hellspawn is being spent to crush Tesla.
       Tesla is the vanguard of a threat (multiplied many times by the
       current Chinese EV production rate) to over 60% of the products
       the fossil fuel industry welfare queens get subsidized to
       pollute us with.
       The liquid hydrocarbon fuels that now provide gigantic profits
       are slowly changing to a toxic waste product needing hazardous
       waste handling equipment and technology. There is no way the
       fossil fuel industry can be "profitable", even with all their
       welfare queen subsidies, if their marketable products exclude
       fuels. You can get lubricants from the cracking tower and use
       the rest for feed stock to make textiles, medicines, fertilizers
       and plastics (etc.), but the fossil fuelers know that is not a
       profitable business model.
       Here's the pie chart that shows how vital to the fossil fuel
       industry the polluting liquid fuels are:
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       This is the obligatory (with very little leeway to modify
       product percentages, per barrel of crude, in the cracking
       towers) number of gallons of products from a U.S. (42 gallons)
       barrel of crude:
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       To say that Fossil Fuel Industry &#129429;&#129430; &#128520;
       disinformation isn’t the whole story is to knock down a straw
       man: the fact remains that it is a major--and perhaps the most
       important--part of the story.
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       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 8, 2018, 6:58 pm
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       [center]Saving Private Tesla: 7 Questions[/center]
       August 8th, 2018 by Michael Barnard  [img width=25
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       [quote]Michael Barnard Mike works with startups, existing
       businesses and investors to identify opportunities for
       significant bottom line growth in the transforming low-carbon
       economy. He regularly publishes analyses of low-carbon
       technology and policy in sites including Newsweek, Slate,
       Forbes, Huffington Post, Quartz, CleanTechnica and RenewEconomy,
       with some of his work included in textbooks. Third-party
       articles on his analyses and interviews have been published in
       dozens of news sites globally and have reached #1 on Reddit
       Science. Much of his work originates on Quora.com, where Mike
       has been a Top Writer annually since 2012. He's available for
       consultation, speaking engagements and Board positions.[/quote]
       On August 7, 2018, Elon Musk tweeted a game changer. He
       indicated that he was working toward taking Tesla private and
       had secured the funding to do so. It’s fairly easy to guess from
       this five-day view of Tesla’s stock price when the tweet
       dropped.
       TSLA trading was halted briefly with the significant rise in
       market capitalization and volume.
       Which leads to a set of questions. Is Elon Musk serious? Is it a
       good idea? Is announcing it on Twitter legal? Who wins and who
       loses? How will individuals invest in Tesla after this? What
       could stop it? What’s next? Let’s take these one by one.
       [center]Is Elon Musk serious?[/center]
       Yes, he is. At around the same time as he tweeted, an email was
       sent to all employees and then later posted to the corporate
       blog. It outlined the status, the reasons, and for IPO- and
       Silicon Valley-savvy employees, provided a great deal of
       reassurance that this was focused on moving the company forward.
       [center]Is it a good idea?[/center]
       Yes, I think it is. Before seeing the email/blog post, I pointed
       out the four advantages I saw to going private.
       First, it’s good for current investors. If they own shares now,
       they can cash out at 20% above start of Aug 7, 2018 value.
       Furthermore, TSLA was already close to its historic maximum
       after the quarterly analyst call and Tesla’s achievement of the
       key 5,000 cars per week target. Investors, whether they were
       recent or long-term holders of TSLA shares, will do very well by
       this. If they had bigger dreams, they can retain their shares in
       Tesla after it goes private.
       Second, it eliminates the Tesla shorter nonsense. There will no
       longer be that subset of market-driven venality creating a churn
       of negative PR for Tesla. There will no longer be any short
       selling opportunity for shorters, so they will turn their sights
       to other targets and stop paying attention to Tesla. The
       negative press won’t stop, as shorters were well-aligned with
       organizations and individuals seeking to impede electrification
       of transportation and the inevitable shift to an electric
       economy. The Koch Brothers, the oil majors, and the Libertarian
       “think” tank content providers will continue to fund and churn
       out various pieces of nonsense. But they won’t be aided and
       abetted by the shorters and the shorter-oriented press.
       The third is that this would make Tesla a $70 billion private
       company, which is well under the largest. Both Cargill and Koch
       — there’s that name again — are well over $100 billion, and Koch
       is increasingly stuck with stranded assets, hence its ongoing,
       overlapping campaigns against global warming, renewables, and
       electric vehicles. Private funding that Koch has lined up is
       looking for exits in many cases, and shifting to a privately
       owned Tesla would make sense. That’s part of the story of the $2
       billion+ position the Saudi Arabian sovereign wealth fund has in
       Tesla. The size of the private company, in other words, wouldn’t
       be a hindrance to raising capital or funding debt. It will
       increase the cost of acquiring capital and debt according to
       some analysts.
       The fourth is that Musk has significant experience running a
       successful private corporation — SpaceX. Private is arguably
       much simpler than public, and if you don’t have to deal with
       public stock offering compliance, then a subset of your overhead
       diminishes. One report references a 10% saving there. Instead of
       quarterly analyst calls, a smaller number of institutional
       discussions and governance suffice.
       These are reasonably well aligned with Musk’s reasoning in the
       email/blog post. They are obvious in retrospect, bold in
       strategic execution.
       [center]Is announcing it on Twitter legal?[/center]
       The consensus seems to be that it is. The question comes down to
       intent and accepted medium. If the intent was solely to pump and
       dump the stock, then it’s illegal. If the intent was to clearly
       tell the markets and investors about the intent to take Tesla
       private, then it is legal assuming the medium is appropriate.
       And while many aged former SEC officials are looking somewhat
       aghast at the choice of Twitter as a medium, the consensus
       appears to be that as Musk regularly imparts corporate strategy
       via Twitter, as his following is 22.9 million and as the press
       watches his Twitter feed like a hawk, this is an appropriate
       medium. The medium would have to be one that is provably
       intended to hide the information, not ensure its broad and rapid
       dissemination. No one can claim that they weren’t given the
       opportunity as investors to know about this plan.
       And given the other preparations that have been made, Tesla’s
       legal team probably signed off on Twitter as the vehicle for
       this.
       [center]Who wins and who loses?[/center]
       As stated, investors win. [Editor’s note: However, some
       investors who wanted to hold the company for much longer but
       also wanted the high liquidity public stock ownership offers can
       lose, especially if they feel forced to sell at a lower price
       than they could have if they held onto the public stock.
       Shareholders of private Tesla will reportedly have the
       opportunity to sell shares once every six months or so, but
       details regarding this and how the company will be valued have
       not been disclosed.]
       Employees of Tesla win as well, I think. The drumbeat of
       negative “news” goes down while they continue to be equity
       holders in the company. Their personal wealth goes up just as
       much as any other investor’s.
       People who are focussed, as I am, on the transformation of our
       economy from technologies causing pollution and global warming
       to much more benign technologies are winners as well. Musk’s
       blog lays out the reasons why this is good for the management
       and future of Tesla, and Tesla is leading the electrification of
       transportation disruption, which is sweeping the automotive
       industry. It’s part of his master plan, and this assists with
       that master plan.
       Shorters lose. Bigly. They have already lost billions on Tesla,
       but shorting has wins and losses and it’s a matter of timing.
       The biggest shorters with the longest positions have lost the
       worst, and the shorters who bet on the most recent quarterly
       analysts call lost large as well. But Tesla is a volatile stock,
       and there were undoubtedly many counter-investors who did just
       fine taking short positions at the right time for the right
       duration. And as has been shown, many of them have excellent
       communications channels with the Tesla-focussed press to gain
       the knowledge of when to make their bets. That’s all gone now.
       The subsets of the media which received a ton of eyeballs from a
       steady stream of anti-Tesla news and posts — Seeking Alpha and
       Business Insider are the most obvious examples — will lose as
       well. With shorters and day traders no longer obsessing second
       by second over TSLA, eyeballs for those sites will diminish.
       (Editor’s note: That could also mean that eyeballs on
       CleanTechnica will drop. We are not stressed about that, since
       our core aim is to help society help itself, however that may be
       as it relates to cleantech news, analysis, and commentary. We
       only cover Tesla because of its important role in the cleantech
       transition. You can also support us via a monthly subscription
       if you are concerned about our revenue dropping. &#128521;
       &#128512; )
       Arguably, stock market analysts, especially the ones on the
       quarterly calls, lose. Tesla is a halo stock. Being on their
       calls is a status symbol. Tesla is sexy. If those calls go away,
       it’s back to a mind-numbing round of discussions of various less
       interesting company details. But that’s their job. Small loss
       for them really.
       How will individuals invest in Tesla after this?
       It will still be possible via a private investment vehicle that
       Tesla will set up. They need to do this for their employees.
       Musk asserts that retail investors will have a choice to be
       bought out or stay in the private investment vehicle. There are
       various mechanisms for this, but the specific one used is a
       matter of speculation at this point.
       [center]What could stop it?[/center]
       Revlon.
       Okay, that requires some explanation. In 1985, Revlon was sold
       with the aid of a junk bond king and saddled with $2.9 billion
       in debt. This caused Revlon grief for years, but what is
       relevant is that it is a case which has established fiduciary
       duty for Boards of Directors which require competitive auctions
       in situations like Tesla’s.
       In other words, the Tesla Board of Directors has a legal
       obligation to ensure that taking Tesla private with the funding
       Musk has lined up is in the best interests of the shareholders.
       That’s not Tesla’s best interest. That’s not Elon Musk’s best
       interest. That’s the shareholders’ best interest.
       Now, tweets like Musk’s don’t appear magically without a lot of
       planning and preparation. He’s on the wrong coast of the USA for
       that. This has undoubtedly been a subject of strategic
       discussion with the Board for months and possibly years. Equally
       possibly, the Board could have already discharged its fiduciary
       duty prior to the tweet coming out.
       If not, then they will be required to basically auction the
       company off to the highest bidder, regardless of any structures
       and funding Musk has established today. Watch this space.
       [center]What’s next?[/center]
       This isn’t approved. This has to go to stakeholders for their
       approval. That will take a bit of time to set up, as voting for
       shareholders isn’t electronic and formal mechanisms for this are
       specified under SEC regulations.
       And if the Board hasn’t already performed its fiduciary duty and
       ensured that competitive funding alternatives lead to something
       in the best interest of the shareholders, that will take a while
       as well.
       In the meantime, the shorters will undoubtedly be attempting to
       find ways to spin this and short Tesla stock until it disappears
       entirely.
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       [quote]Maarten Vinkhuyzen
       The problem with the Revlon case is that the courts likely view
       what is best for stockholders as the highest bid now. The option
       that Elon offers, to stay on as stockholders in a private
       company will likely not be valued.
       Another question is, what is the value of Tesla without Musk?
       I doubt there can be a competing bid without Musk underwriting
       it.
       And no (group of) business adversaries is going to spend that
       much money just to liquidate Tesla.
       OK, Revlon is scary, it will delay the process, but it is
       unlikely to alter the outcome.
       Martin Lacey > Maarten Vinkhuyzen
       If big oil is intent on killing the EV they have more money than
       anyone and can buy Tesla and moth ball their technology. Highly
       unlikely, I know.
       Amazon and Apple might well be interested in buying Tesla,
       incorporating it into their companies and will offer Musk a lead
       designer/engineer role and a big buy out. Both Amazon and Apple
       can make their own autonomous vehicles and use whichever
       autonomous suite is ready first.[/quote]
       agelbert >  Martin Lacey
       I am certain big oil wants to kill Tesla by hook or by crook.
       That said, I think they will bankrupt themselves trying. Yes,
       they have a lot of money and almost unlimited government backing
       in the U.S. Petro-State under Trump, but I am convinced the EV
       train has already left the station.
       It's just too late to stop the Renewable Revolution in general
       and EVs in particular. The Chinese alone are making a lot more
       EVs than Tesla ever will, so no matter how much skullduggery is
       aimed at Tesla, even Tesla will come out like Rocky in the movie
       series. Tesla will get punched around but will come out of this
       smelling like a rose.  [img width=70
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       Betting against EVs is a losing bet that big oil has decided to
       push to the limit. It will help sink them faster. WHY? Because
       their happy talk propaganda has always been based on being our
       "loyal servant".
       That is what got them so much public support. Now big oil is
       being exposed as the greedy, government bribing, welfare queen
       subsidized bullies they have always been.
       Those crooks will not be able to counter the truth. The public
       will turn its back on big oil permanently.
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       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 9, 2018, 9:16 pm
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       [center]Trump &#129408;Admits Gas Mileage Reversal Will Kill 60k
       Jobs [/center]
       As the barrage of dumb Trump stuff marches on (Yay crimes! Boo
       water!), analysis of Trump’s stupid policy moves often fails to
       grab the public’s attention (yay asbestos!)
       One of the administration’s most stupid policies of late is its
       decision to reverse Obama-era gas mileage standards. Don’t let
       the official language about the supposed lifesaving benefits
       fool you: rolling back these standards, in essence, lets car
       companies off the hook for producing better cars, and keeps
       customers buying, and burning, more gas.  [img
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       E&E News, thankfully, has put some smart reporters on the
       “stupid policy” beat, and produced a number of interesting
       stories lately about the auto mileage standard rollback. Last
       Thursday, the outlet ran an intriguing story about how the car
       rule came together. Though officially the policy was a joint
       effort between the EPA and Department of Transportation, E&E
       reported that retired EPA officials told them the DOT “cooked
       the books,” and that “EPA staff had basically nothing to do
       with” the final policy document.
       If DOT did take the steering wheel for this particular policy,
       it’s not because of ample staff time: the division of the DOT
       that worked on the rule, The National Highway Traffic Safety
       Administration (NHTSA), has far fewer experts at its disposal
       than the EPA. One former EPA staffer told E&E that her
       “understanding is that NHTSA in-house has only two engineers
       that are responsible for the fuel economy standards, whereas at
       EPA, we have hundreds of engineers.”
       Perhaps that dearth of experience is a reason why, per a second
       E&E story last week, the auto rollback policy proposal cites
       research from scientists who told E&E that they think the
       rollback is “nuts” and “just not consistent with the evidence."
       One researcher also pointed out the irony that the data used in
       the study and cited by the administration is private, and
       therefore wouldn’t be permitted under the EPA’s proposed (and
       opposed) pro-tobacco science rule.
       That the policy proposal justifies the burning of more oil with
       research about the dangers of doing just that is hardly the only
       oddity. Two stories E&E ran yesterday provide more details on
       the nearly thousand-page auto rule proposal.
       For example, despite Trump’s claim last year that “the assault
       on the American auto industry is over,” and the right wing’s
       well-worn canard about regulations costing jobs, Trump’s
       proposed rule change, per E&E, actually says the opposite: the
       weakened standards could result in as many as 60,000 fewer jobs
       in the industry. As it turns out, innovation and competition are
       good for business and employment, and letting those things
       stagnate isn’t. What a shocker!
       Equally shocking is that the proposal points to higher oil
       consumption as a result of the suggested changes, estimating
       that an additional 500,000 barrels will be burned per day after
       the policy is implemented. As a result, E&E reports, the rule
       suggests that CO2 concentrations by 2100 will reach an
       unthinkable 789.76 ppm [size=18pt]&#128545;, nearly doubling the
       concentrations.[/size] &#128561; &#129324;
       Although the administration has downplayed just how much
       additional carbon pollution the rollback will emit, Rhodium’s
       Trevor Houser pointed out on Twitter that “by 2035 the impact
       could be larger than total national emissions of 82% of
       countries today.”
       More pollution, fewer jobs, more time and money spent at gas
       stations. Surely not a good rule for anyone.
       Except, of course, the oil industry &#128009;&#129429;&#129430;,
       which lobbied for the move.
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       />That Trump &#129408; would appease them
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       />and not any other Americans, is pretty much the only thing tha
       t
       makes sense about the reversal.a
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       [move][I][font=impact]The Fossil Fuelers &#129430; DID THE
       Clean Energy  Inventions suppressing, Climate Trashing, human
       health depleting CRIME,[COLOR=BROWN]   but since they have
       ALWAYS BEEN liars and conscience free crooks &#129408;, they are
       trying to AVOID [/color]  DOING THE TIME or   PAYING THE FINE!
       Don't let them get away with it! Pass it on!
       [/font][/I][/move]
       #Post#: 10626--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 14, 2018, 5:22 pm
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       [center]Agelbert  RANT
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       The [b][i][color=maroon]mens rea
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       />of the fossil fuel industry and almost half of the world’s 100
       largest companies, including Procter & G a m b l e and Duke
       Energy, has been recently exposed. They all funded lobbyists and
       propagandists in order to obstruct climate change legislation.
       I use the Latin legal expression, "mens rea", because the above
       obstructionists of climate change legislation were knowledgeable
       over 40 years ago of the damage that burning fossil fuels causes
       to the biosphere in general and humans in particular.
       As Theresa  Morris made quite clear in her essay, these
       corporations made the wrong choice. And they made that choice
       because they refused to think things through.
       Ethical considerations aside for a moment, the people in these
       powerful corporations are not stupid. They love their own
       children.
       So, if they knew, because over 40 years ago ExxonMobil
       scientists laid out the facts to oil executives
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       />who then secretly joined with several other corporations to fu
       nd
       denial of climate change and obstruct climate change
       legislation, why did they, with malice and aforethought, engage
       in disguising the fact that they were, and are, getting an F in
       viable biosphere math?
       Some will say that it's a no brainer that they did it for
       profit. While that is partially true, it ignores the fact that
       big oil corporations DO believe their own scientists. It also
       ignores the fact that fossil fuel corporations DO NOT believe
       the happy talk propaganda that they fund.
       They plan ahead. They plan to take advantage of the
       'Fragmentation of Agency' mentioned by  Stephen Gardiner. The
       corporations did not get limited liability laws passed because
       they wanted to be socially responsible. I believe they will use
       the 'Fragmentation of Agency', in regard to biosphere damage
       claims, to unjustly limit their liability in a typically
       unethical "damage control" exercise.
       One of the themes about human history that I have tried to
       communicate to readers over and over is that predatory
       capitalist corporations, while deliberately profiting from
       knowingly doing something that causes pollution damage to the
       populace, always plan AHEAD to socialize the costs of that
       damage when they can no longer deny SOME liability for it.[/I]
       Their conscience free lackey lawyers will always work the system
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       />to limit even PROVEN 100% liability.
       When 100% liability is blatantly obvious, as in the Exxon Valdez
       oil spill, they will shamelessly use legalese to limit the
       liability. ExxonMobil pulled a fast one on the plaintiffs by
       getting "punitive", rather than "compensatory" damages. See what
       the learned counselor said, "The purpose of punitive awards is
       to punish, not to destroy, according to the law". Ethics free
       Exxon and its ethics free lawyers KNOW how the Court System
       "works". JOURNAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL LAW [Vol. 18:151] The purpose
       of this comment is to describe the history of the Exxon Valdez
       litigation and analyze whether the courts and corresponding laws
       are equipped to effectively handle mass environmental
       litigation.
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       />
       While the profits are rolling in, they will claim they are "just
       loyal public servants, selflessly providing a service that the
       public is demanding", while they laugh all the way to the bank.
       When the damage is exposed, they will claim we are "all equally
       to blame" (i.e. [i]DISTORTED Fragmentation of Agency).
       This is clearly false because polluting corporations, in
       virtually all cases, AREN'T non-profit organizations. If they
       were NOT PROFITING, THEN, and only then, could they make the
       claim that "we all benefited equally so we all are equally
       responsible to pay equally for the cost."
       Those who presently benefit economically from the burning of
       fossil fuels, despite the scientific certainty that this is
       ushering in a Permian level mass extinction, will probably be
       quick to grab on to a severely distorted and duplicitous version
       of the 'Fragmentation of Agency' meme, in regard to assigning
       the proportionate blame for the existential threat our species
       is visiting on future generations.
       Privatizing the profits and socializing the costs is what they
       have done for over a century in the USA. They have always gotten
       away with it. That is why, despite having prior knowledge that
       their children would be negatively impacted by their decisions,
       they decided to dispense with ethical considerations.
       They assumed that, with all the profits they would accumulate
       over the last 40 years (or as long as the populace can be
       blinded to the truth of the existential threat), they could
       protect their offspring when things got "difficult".
       They know that millions to billions of people, in all
       probability, will die. But they think their wealth can enable
       them to survive and thrive.
       As for the rest of us, who obtained a pittance in benefits in
       comparison to the giant profits the polluters raked (and still
       continue to rake) in, we can expect an army of corporate lawyers
       descending on our government(s) demanding that all humans, in
       equal portions, foot the bill for ameliorating climate change.
       The lawyer speak will probably take the form of crocodile tears
       about the "injustice of punitive measures" or, some double talk
       legalese limiting "punitive damage claims" based on
       Environmental LAW fun and games (see: "punitive" versus
       "compensatory" damage claims).
       This grossly unjust application of the 'Fragmentation of Agency'
       is happening as we speak. The poorest humans are paying the most
       with their health for the damage done by the richest. The
       richest have avoided most, or all, of the deleterious effects of
       climate change.
       When the governments of the world finally get serious about the
       funding needed to try to clean this mess up (present incremental
       measures ARE NOT sufficient), the rich plan to continue
       literally getting away with ecocide, and making sure they don't
       pay their share of the damages for it.
       As Kevin Anderson (after showing the alarming rate of increase
       in CO2 emissions) put it in the graphic below, the 1% bear about
       50% of the blame.
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       Since, according to the U.N., the richest 20% of the world's
       population uses 80% of the resources, the 'Fragmentation of
       Agency' pie chart for the damage done to the biosphere should
       look like this:
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       The way the fossil fuel industry, and almost half of the world’s
       100 largest companies, will want that 'Fragmentation of Agency'
       pie chart to look like is as follows:
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       The world of business has made many Empathy Deficit Disordered,
       unethical choices. We are all paying for their rejection of
       their responsibility to use [I]dianoia[/i] in their decision
       making process.
       But they are relatively few in number. Their chicanery would
       cease from a huge public outcry if they did not have so many
       people aiding and abetting their unethical biosphere destroying
       modus operandi.
       Those are the comfortable millions who have swallowed the
       corporate happy talk propaganda.
       Those are the people that continue to delay progress on the
       implementation of the drastic government action we must demand,
       which is desperately needed to stem, or eliminate, the length
       and breadth of the climate change damage existential threat.
       The people who think that this climate change horror can be
       addressed by incremental measures are, as Aristotle said,
       deliberately becoming irrational.
       [I]Dianoia[/i] is sine qua non to a viable biosphere.
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       [center][img
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       [move][I][font=impact]The Fossil Fuelers &#129430; DID THE
       Clean Energy  Inventions suppressing, Climate Trashing, human
       health depleting CRIME,[COLOR=BROWN]   but since they have
       ALWAYS BEEN liars and conscience free crooks &#129408;, they are
       trying to AVOID [/color]  DOING THE TIME or   PAYING THE FINE!
       Don't let them get away with it! Pass it on!
       [/font][/I][/move]
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       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 18, 2018, 5:47 pm
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       [center]Is Climate Change Killing More People Than George W Bush
       Ever Could?[/center]
       [center]
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       Thom Hartmann Program
       
       Published on Jul 31, 2018
       Short answer yes, it already has, and partly because of his wars
       he started we still have to do something and the question is
       what?
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       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 19, 2018, 5:48 pm
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       [center]US   [img
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       />&#128009;&#129429;&#129430; says conserving oil is no longer a
       n
       economic imperative
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       By ELLEN KNICKMEYER
       SNIPPET:
       August 19, 2018y
       WASHINGTON (AP) — Conserving oil is no longer an economic
       imperative for the U.S., the Trump [img
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       />administration declares in a major new policy statement that
       threatens to undermine decades of government campaigns for
       gas-thrifty cars and other conservation programs.&#129324;
       The position was outlined in a memo released last month in
       support of the administration’s proposal to relax fuel mileage
       standards. The government released the memo online this month
       without fanfare.
       Growth of natural gas and other alternatives to petroleum has
       reduced the need for imported oil, which “in turn affects the
       need of the nation to conserve energy,” the Energy Department
       said. [img
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       It also cites the now decade-old fracking revolution that has
       unlocked U.S. shale oil reserves, giving “the United States more
       flexibility than in the past to use our oil resources with less
       concern.”
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       With the memo, the administration is formally challenging old
       justifications for conservation — even congressionally
       prescribed ones, as with the mileage standards. The memo made no
       mention of climate change. Transportation is the single largest
       source of climate-changing emissions.
       President Donald Trump &#129408; has questioned the existence of
       climate change, embraced the notion of “energy dominance” as a
       national goal, and called for easing what he calls burdensome
       regulation of oil, gas and coal, including repealing the Obama
       Clean Power Plan.
       Despite the increased oil supplies, the administration continues
       to believe in the need to “use energy wisely,” the Energy
       Department said, without elaboration. Department spokesmen did
       not respond Friday to questions about that statement.
       Reaction was quick.
       Full article:
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       #Post#: 10653--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 19, 2018, 7:54 pm
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       [center]So, How’s That Major-Party Election Madness Working for
       Us?[/center]
       August 12, 2018
       By Paul Street —  The Republicans and Democrats are two faces of
       the same failure. And there will be no real hope of rescue by
       third parties until the American system of electoral politics is
       rebuilt from the ground up.
       SNIPPET:
       [quote]A smart and liberally inclined family doctor I know
       recently expressed concern over her high-income husband’s
       support for the malignant narcissist and pathological liar
       currently occupying the White House. “I can understand him being
       a Republican,” the doctor says, “but I just don’t get him
       backing Donald Trump.”
       The problem here—what the doctor doesn’t get—is that Trump’s
       malicious persona and politics are darkly consistent with the
       white-supremacist and arch-reactionary heart and dog-whistling
       racism of the Republican Party going back five decades. It was
       just a matter of time until something like Trump happened: a
       Republican candidate who really meant the racism. Along the way,
       the Republican Party has become what Noam Chomsky credibly calls
       “the most dangerous organization in human history” because of
       its total disregard for livable ecology and its dedication to
       destruction and dismantlement of any institutions in place to
       address global warming. The Greenhouse Gassing to Death of Life
       on Earth [img
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       />width=50]
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       />a crime that promises to make even the Nazi Party look like a
       small-time crime syndicate. [img
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       Read more: [img
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       />
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       [move][I][font=impact]The Fossil Fuelers &#129430; DID THE
       Clean Energy  Inventions suppressing, Climate Trashing, human
       health depleting CRIME,[COLOR=BROWN]   but since they have
       ALWAYS BEEN liars and conscience free crooks &#129408;, they are
       trying to AVOID [/color]  DOING THE TIME or   PAYING THE FINE!
       Don't let them get away with it! Pass it on!
       [/font][/I][/move]
       #Post#: 10664--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 21, 2018, 2:21 pm
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       [font=times new roman]The New Republic[/font]
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       [center]The Modern Automobile Must Die [img
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       />  [img width=70
       height=40]
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       [/center]
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       />If we want to solve climate change, there's no other option.
       [/center]
       By EMILY ATKIN
       August 20, 2018
       SNIPPET:
       Germany was supposed to be a model for solving global warming.
       In 2007, the country’s government announced that it would reduce
       its greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent by the year 2020.
       This was the kind of bold, aggressive climate goal scientists
       said was needed in all developed countries. If Germany could do
       it, it would prove the target possible.
       So far, Germany has reduced its greenhouse gas emissions by 27.7
       percent—an astonishing achievement for a developed country with
       a highly developed manufacturing sector. But with a little over
       a year left to go, despite dedicating $580 billion toward a
       low-carbon energy system, the country “is likely to fall short
       of its goals for reducing harmful carbon-dioxide emissions,”
       Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday. And the reason for that
       may come down not to any elaborate solar industry plans, but
       something much simpler: cars.
       “At the time they set their goals, they were very ambitious,”
       Patricia Espinosa, the United Nations’ top climate change
       official, told Bloomberg. “What happened was that the
       industry&#129429;&#129430;—particularly the car industry
       &#128520;&#128009;&#129429;&#129430;—didn’t come along.”  [img
       width=40]
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       Changing the way we power our homes and businesses is certainly
       important. But as Germany’s shortfall shows, the only way to
       achieve these necessary, aggressive emissions reductions to
       combat global warming is to overhaul the gas-powered automobile
       and the culture that surrounds it. The only question left is how
       to do it.
       In 2010, a NASA study declared that automobiles were officially
       the largest net contributor of climate change pollution in the
       world. “Cars, buses, and trucks release pollutants and
       greenhouse gases that promote warming, while emitting few
       aerosols that counteract it,” the study read. “In contrast, the
       industrial and power sectors release many of the same gases—with
       a larger contribution to [warming]—but they also emit sulfates
       and other aerosols that cause cooling by reflecting light and
       altering clouds.”
       In other words, the power generation sector may have emitted the
       most greenhouse gases in total. But it also released so many
       sulfates and cooling aerosols that the net impact was less than
       the automobile industry, according to NASA.
       Since then, developed countries have cut back on those cooling
       aerosols for the purpose of countering regular air pollution,
       which has likely increased the net climate pollution of the
       power generation industry. But according to the Union of
       Concerned Scientists, “collectively, cars and trucks account for
       nearly one-fifth of all U.S. emissions,” while “in total, the
       U.S. transportation sector—which includes cars, trucks, planes,
       trains, ships, and freight—produces nearly thirty percent of all
       US global warming emissions ... .”
       In fact, transportation is now the largest source of carbon
       dioxide emissions in the United States—and it has been for two
       years, according to an analysis from the Rhodium Group.
       Full article:
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       Re: Hydrocarbon Hellspawn Mens Rea Actus Reus
       By: AGelbert Date: August 23, 2018, 7:40 pm
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       />[/center]
       [center]Trump’s &#129408; Dirty Energy Appointees Dismantle
       Clean Energy Controls
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       August 22, 2018
       Trump’s EPA announced a plan to end Obama’s Clean Power Plan,
       using coal companies’ proposals, which lowers federal
       regulations on emissions and allows states to set their own
       emissions reduction goals. We discuss the proposal with Mustafa
       Ali
       [center]
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