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Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: AGelbert Date: October 17, 2013, 6:12 pm
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Re: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: AGelbert Date: October 17, 2013, 6:13 pm
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Re: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: AGelbert Date: October 17, 2013, 6:44 pm
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Re: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: Surly1 Date: October 18, 2013, 4:00 am
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Great thread, AG. But emotionally exhausting!
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Re: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: AGelbert Date: October 19, 2013, 6:05 pm
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Surly said, [quote]Great thread, AG. But emotionally
exhausting![/quote]
Agreed.
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/>goal with this thread is to provide perspective that, painful
as
it is, we must never lose sight of what goes on out there day in
and day out that is gut wrenching, tragic and downright
frightening in it's level of chaos and the apparent mindless
anarchy of the human condition.
Throughout all this apparent godless clusterfuck, I see God
acting through the biosphere in general and brave people that
struggle in the face of adversity in particular. This is
inspiring to me. I frankly don't know how they do it because I
don't know how I would have the strength to carry on in their
shoes.
But somehow, even though tragic failures abound, those victories
are real and I see God working in them to show us He cares. And
that gives me hope and strengthens my Faith.
As I now pass the 67 year old mark, this passage from the bible
that has always been a head scratcher for me is beginning to
make more sense.
[font=times new roman]Now faith is the substance of things hoped
for, the evidence of things not seen
Hebrews 11:1[/font]
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Re: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: Surly1 Date: October 20, 2013, 7:41 pm
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This last comment is why I like your work so much, and your
overall attitude and approach.
Doing a great job with this page and the cross posting, BTW. I
put a LOT of your stuff up on the Book of Faces.
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Re: Human Life is Fragile but EVERY Life is Valuable
By: AGelbert Date: October 21, 2013, 1:30 pm
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Surly,
Thank you for sharing my zeal to spread hard truths as well as
hope, no matter how forlorn that hope may look,
You and I KNOW that hope is out there and it is REAL.
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Doctors Told Sam He Had Until He Was 13
By: AGelbert Date: October 21, 2013, 7:45 pm
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Sam with his loving parents
Doctors Told Sam He Had Until He Was 13. He's Almost 17. Here’s
How He's Fighting.
Adam Albright-Hanna
Sam Berns has progeria, a disease which accelerates the body's
aging process. A pair of Oscar-winning filmmakers followed him
for three years to make what looks like an amazing documentary
about his life. "Life According to Sam" airs on HBO starting
Monday, Oct. 21.
Poignant, but Inspirational too, Video Here
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Alonzo Clemons's Amazing Talent First Went Completely Unnoticed
By: AGelbert Date: October 24, 2013, 11:37 pm
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They Said He Was ‘Evil’ And ‘Bad,’ But He’s Actually Really,
Really Astonishingly Good
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When Alonzo Clemons was young, he was sent away to be cared for
at an institution. Seems like the staff there had no clue what
incredibly beautiful things Alonzo had to share.
Alana Karsch
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In the Interest of Harmony Among People With Different Beliefs
By: AGelbert Date: November 8, 2013, 9:55 pm
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Letter to a Gaia Person
The Biosphere: A SACRED TRUST
August of 2013
WHD, a Gaia person, wrote to Agelbert the following: [quote]You
exemplify what humans are capable of. As does Ashvin. It is
mostly the latter that I spar with, and I do so because I
believe what I say to be true to myself, that I have faith that
it is true, and to offer an alternative viewpoint.
WHD [/quote]
Thank you, WHD.
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There is much good in humanity. Ashvin (a fellow Christian) and
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/> but there is altogether way too much evidence that we, as a
species, are seriously out of whack with the biosphere. We think
it's original sin. I have no idea if the "Eve eating the fruit"
thing was a metaphor, analogy, or whatever. I guess I'm not a
fundy in that respect. I believe that the biosphere is a sacred
trust. I believe it is a fallen biosphere and understand and
respect the fact that you don't.
As far as Homo SAP is concerned, I zero in on selfishness and
the behavioral science observation that human children are
greedy by nature and must be trained to see the benefits of
cooperation and altruism. This is not a religious or faith based
view by behavioral sciences.
My explanation for this is a fallen nature of which selfishness
is just one (though I do think it's the biggy) part of a larger
picture.
This is offensive to you because you feel the answer to
mankind's disharmony with the biosphere and his fellows is to
respect the land as sacred.
But if there is no god and we are simply rogue elements of
gaia's immune system giving gaia a form of AIDS by our planetary
toxification, it is illogical to expect us to even grasp the
meaning of the word "sacred", never mind enabling us to humbly
accept that we are only truly functional as tiny symbiotic
organisms on a planetary entity.
1. We are big trouble for each other and the biosphere.
2. We MUST revere the biosphere as a sacred trust if we are to
function as we were designed to.
3. God designed us that way but somewhere along the way we gave
God the finger which resulted in our fallen nature.
4. In our present state, we need God to keep us from extending
that "finger" to our fellows and everything around us resulting
in our
extinction.
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5. You feel that requires submitting to a God figure that you
don't owe a thing to and that is tied to patriarchal oppression
of women, nonsensical ritual and this silly idea that you are
doomed without God's intercession to lift you out of the rut of
perpetual sin and disharmony from God's garden.
But can we agree that, beyond the obvious "Gaia feeds me so I
must tend to what provides for me" stomach pleasing logic of a
self aware, selfish being, pretending the land in particular or
the biosphere in general is sacred is practically impossible?
If not, please analyze the concept of sacredness and you will
see that it is a term associated with something or someone
superior to you in every respect; something that requires that
you humble yourself before it.
I believe God is sacred. His communication to us may be a bit
distorted by our fallen nature but without Him, there is no
chance that mankind (as a whole - regardless of the great work
of permaculturists like yourself) can live in harmony with
nature because of our fallen nature.
We can argue about original sin, the concept of "sin", how did
it all begin, why doesn't God get off His fat ass and fix it if
He really exists, why is there so much evil in religions if He
is behind creating them, etc., but the problem of Homo SAP's
violence towards his fellows and the biosphere continues
unabated.
Behavioral science has, if anything, made things WORSE by
claiming the "selfish gene" gives Homo SAP and "evolutionary
advantage". BALONEY!
Science tells us we are fouling our nest and we are doing it
because we are so SMART!!?
God tells us we are fouling our nest because we have a fallen
nature.
IMHO, only by humbling ourselves before God, accepting we are
sinners and doomed to trash the place (and each other) because
of our fallen nature and seeking salvation can we learn to
RESPECT the biosphere as a SACRED trust.
I just don't see how you can get people to consider the
biosphere and this planet as SACRED (a necessary condition for
us to be symbiotic with nature) any other way.
God has power over us. Gaia is in subjection to us. What has
mankind ever done with something he has in subjection except
treat it/they as a slave to ravage at his perverse, selfish,
egocentric pleasure? ???
[quote]sa·cred adj.
1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity.
2. Worthy of religious veneration: the sacred teachings of the
Buddha.
3. Made or declared holy: sacred bread and wine.
4. Dedicated or devoted exclusively to a single use, purpose,
or person: sacred to the memory of her sister; a private office
sacred to the President.
5. Worthy of respect; venerable.
6. Of or relating to religious objects, rites, or
practices.[/quote]
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Self centered, egocentric, selfish beings will never consider
anything SACRED but THEMSEVES. :(
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