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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
By: AGelbert Date: May 31, 2018, 1:51 pm
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[quote author=RE link=topic=559.msg154699#msg154699
date=1527791572]
[quote author=Surly1 link=topic=559.msg154694#msg154694
date=1527789961]
[quote author=agelbert link=topic=559.msg154690#msg154690
date=1527789244]
Well said.
However, I think the rich backers of Trump are effectively
taking a long walk off a short pier. Yes, we will all go down
together. Life on Earth is aptly named the valley of tears.
I am looking forward to life after this life.
Some may say that is a defeatist attitude. I say, as a student
of climate science and human history, the interminable hostility
of greedy humans to each other and the continued, willful insane
destruction of the biosphere 'seed corn' that allows human
existence are behavioral problems can only be fixed by God
modifying human nature so we ALL think altruistically, instead
of greedily.
I don't see Him doing that any time soon.
[/quote]
I quite agree. WE are the pillow the rich will land on which the
entire rotten edifice falls down.
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That will be a mighty hard pillow. The problem for the Rich is
they won't be Rich after a collapse of the monetary system.
RE
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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
By: AGelbert Date: May 31, 2018, 8:00 pm
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[quote author=Palloy2 link=topic=11112.msg154715#msg154715
date=1527807267]
[quote]I'm not sure you've actually heard my definition of
Christianity. ... Profession of faith, Confession of sins,
baptism of some sort. [/quote]
That's a pretty unusual set of rituals. As a non-Christian
(baptised at birth) it is hard to take you to task over your
definition of what Christianity is, but surely it has got to
have something to do with believing in the rightness of what
Jesus preached - "love your enemies as much as yourself", "turn
the other cheek" and not to put yourself first all the time.
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/> Given you think my hermit lifestyle is proof of something bad
(not sure quite what) could you please explain that in plain
language without citing someone else, without riddles, and
without Amerikan slang.
[/quote]
Well, I think Palloy has hit the semantic nail right on the
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/>I rarely agree with him, but he is right here.
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=11112.msg154714#msg154714
date=1527805705]
[quote author=agelbert link=topic=11112.msg154677#msg154677
date=1527783580]
Eddie, I am curious. Do you actually think the USA was EVER a
Christian country? The Founding Fathers were deists, NOT
Christians. Their pattern for government was the Roman Republic
of the Roman Empire. They were imperialists from the word go.
This country's beliefs are, and always have been, based on MIGHT
EQUALS RIGHT, PERIOD.
[/quote]
Yes, the US is very much a Christian country and always has
been.
The Founding Fathers were more educated, philosophically
oriented, and generally perhaps a bit more enlightened than the
rank and file citizens of the early days. We were greatly
influenced by all the splinter group protestant religions that
arose in Europe and then were brought here by those looking for
a place to practice their various sectarian brands of
Christianity without interference from the State.
They were mostly alike in that they were the high-guilt,
sins-of-the-father-visited-on-the-son brand of hell-fire and
damnation Christianity.
America forever is stained with the stiff-necked, self-righteous
dogma of the Puritans. It is the Puritans I blame for much of
what is wrong with our culture.
[/quote]
Guilt is the LAST thing Americans, especially the Founding
Exploiters, have ever been known for. A people that wallow in
guilt don't calmly go about conning the natives until they get
enough power and population to kill them off, Eddie. Might
equals Right is NOT Christian doctrine. NO, this country was
never Christian in any way, shape or form, just like the
Catholic church was never a Christian organization. So, I will
disagree with you totally on that. This country is pagan to the
core. The "Christian" thing was always a clever fig leaf to
cover the ruthless greed of the elites AND the citizenry.
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=11112.msg154713#msg154713
date=1527804810]
[quote author=agelbert link=topic=11112.msg154698#msg154698
date=1527791343]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=11112.msg154692#msg154692
date=1527789524]
My best understanding of Jesus I gained not from Texas doctrine,
but from reading Yogananda, who completely GOT Jesus, imho. He
was so interested in trying to explain Jesus to Americans that
he wrote two whole books about it, neither of whom ever got much
attention.
[/quote]
Was Yogananda a Christian? Specifically, did Yogananda believe
that Jesus Christ was, and is, God? If not, Yogananda was
focusing on the teachings, not the supernatural nature of grace
and the action of the Holy Spirit. That is, again, the belief
that humans can actually follow Christ's teachings by the force
of their own "Godlike" will. Did Yogananda believe in Karma?
Karma is a replacement for God's answer to sin without God. That
is, quite frankly, a blasphemy if associated with Chritianity or
Jesus Christ.
Gandhi, like you, said he liked Christianity (i.e. SOME, not
all, of Christ's teachings) but wasn't too impressed with the
unChristian behavior of Christians.
I respectfully, but totally, disagree with your definition of
Christianity. Knarf, the Bhuddist, is quite Christian in his
behavior towards fellow humans and the life forms around him.
That does not make him a Christian.
Your behavior towards your neighbors is ethical and laudable,
but that does not make you a Christian. I am sure Yogananda, if
he lives still, is a principled human with laudable behavior.
But as long he claims Jesus was not God, Yogonanda, like Gandhi,
Knarf and you, is not a Christian. Monotheism is not negotiable
in Christianity.
[/quote]
Nice conversation and no hard feelings about a single thing on
my part. I hope I didn't say anything you found offensive. I
understand and respect your brand of Christian faith. And your
works are substantial and speak for themselves.
Yogananda talked a lot about what he called Christ
Consciousness. I'm not sure I can explain that very succinctly,
although it makes sense to me.
I can't really say that I think he was a Christian... by your
measure and by the New Testament, no, I don't think he was a
Christian.
I'm pretty sure he did not ever undergo a baptism and confess
his sins and accept Christ as I was taught was necessary.
Did he give his life to God? Yes. He very much did that. I
recommend his autobiography. Steve Jobs, btw, was said to have
given away many, many copies to people, as he thought it was
the most important book people could ever read.
I'm not sure you've actually heard my definition of
Christianity. In my post above I repeated what many, many
Christian ministers have said. Not just the church I grew up in,
which was very fundie, but also every one of the other Christian
churches I ever sat through a sermon in, which is quite a few.
All protestant, however. They all agreed on the basics.
Profession of faith, Confession of sins, baptism of some sort.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think just going through the motions
means much. I agree that it does not. Many "Christians" are
going through the motions. And Palloy is right, that many of
them are brainwashed. But it isn't just TV. They're brainwashed
in church too. That has become prevalent, unfortunately.
[/quote]
I've read quite a bit about "Christ consciousness". You will
probably disagree, but it is based on a person using their OWN
WILL to DO Christ and/or to "channel" the "ascended master"
thing that Jesus has allegedly achieved. That does involve
spiritual experience, but it is not the Holy Spirit doing the
action in the person. So, any true Christian must reject it.
Sorry to be so frank, but, I was exposed to a lot of the New Age
stuff before I finally gave myself to Christ. I am no spring
chicken. I went through the whole reincarnation belief structure
too and read several books about this amazingly logical karmic
multi-life structure. I was attracted by the apparent balance
(i.e. hope for justice for all). Unfortuantely, the whole ball
of metaphysical wax there revolves around the SELF, not God. It
is 100% against everything that Christ taught.
The brainwashing done in the "Christian" churches, since (and
long before) this country began, was, and is, exclusively for
the purpose of suckering the rubes to conflate the National Flag
with God so they will be willing to die for empire in wars. It
has ZIP to do with Christianity.
The "hell and damantion" thing IS Christian, whether you and I
and Yogananda like it or not. ;) BUT, if that pack of lying
preachers had actually believed in Hell and Damnation as
punishment for evil behavior, they would not have trained
Americans to love money and do whatever necessary, including
"God" approved murder and mayhem in other countries, to GET IT!
Sure, every other country from Spain to England to France to
Italy to Russia to Germany (e.g. Gott Mit Uns!) has pulled the
same con on their people. That does NOT make it Christian. That
just proves that religion was hijacked in the propaganda service
of the warmongering state! The problem is the STATE, not the
Christian Faith.
You are fond of lambasting that war promoting propaganda effort
everywhere else but you think it is some kind of simple con game
to get money out of people in the "Christian" churches? It goes
WAY BEYOND THAT! And, you know it. Lambast away at those Texas
megachurches! They deserve to be burned to the ground and every
crooked "Christian" pastor forced to give back all the money
they conned out of the rubes. All I ask is that you use quotes
around the word "Christian" when you speak of those devils.
Eddie, I don't have a "brand" of Christianity. You are free to
call it that but I hasten to add that the basic tenets of the
Christian Faith require worshipping God. That's the one, the
only, God. That is not some monist "we are all one and we are
actually worshipping ourselves" concept. Monism is basphemy.
My major complaint with these discussions with you is that you
refuse to make a distinction between Christians and "Christians"
behaviorwise, never mind the Heinz 57 number of excuses for
"Christianity" out there. You claim this fellow Yogananda really
understood Jesus. Well, I am CERTAIN that he rejected absolutely
everything Jesus Christ said about Hell and Damnation. A person
can't claim to know Jesus Christ and reject His rather frequent
warnings of "outer darkness" and such for those who rejected His
teachings by replacing Divine punishment with some Karma
mechanism. That's just more cherry picking the Gospel for
convenience.
Yogananda never served God if he believed in Karma, no matter
how righteous his behavior was. Works without Faith are as empty
as Faith without Works.
We can go back and forth forever defining either the Christian
TALK (doctrine, rituals, etc.) and/or the Christian WALK
(respect for our neighbors and daily submission to God's will
through prayer) but it is clear that I can never convince you
that the WALK MUST accompany the TALK for a person to be a
Christian.
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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
By: AGelbert Date: June 1, 2018, 2:00 pm
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Eddie said:
[quote]Ah, we've gotten around to the core message. I read you
loud and clear Cap'n.
What does "Love thine enemies" mean to you? What specific
behavior is involved? That's where Palloy misses the boat when
he comes down so hard on me. You're missing it too.
To me it doesn't mean that I can literally make myself instantly
treat an adversary like my brother. There's a reason somebody is
my adversary. It didn't happen in a vacuum. They are my
adversary because they did something to me, or are causing me
some kind of grief. They're maybe still doing it.
But "love thine enemies" means I need to give them a big hug the
next time I see them and say, "Hey, you've been a major prick,
but I love you cuz Jesus sez"......
I doubt the real capacity for most humans to do that if they
were REALLY trying. It isn't likely to ever happen on a
Federation planet.
"Love thine enemies", to me means something different from
that..
To me, love thine enemies extends to putting myself in the
enemies' place and trying realize maybe they have legitimate
reasons for whatever they're doing that negatively impacts me.
Understanding that they're fallible and human and that I'm not
perfect, and maybe I should try to see it from their side.
THAT, I can do. And I do. Who says I don't?
The scripture does not indicate this person is not going to be
my enemy anymore.
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"Turn the other cheek." That one has several possible meanings,
according which religious authority you accept, actually.
Ancient metaphors are easily misunderstood. Especially in
translation from dead languages. Blessed are the cheese makers.
You ones all see things black and white. It's all so simple.
Must be nice[/quote]
That's a rather harsh judgement, sir. I have the Hebrew Greek
study bible and get HEAVY into the orignial words to see if I
can figure out the cultural mindset of the writer at the time.
Yes, GOOD and EVIL are 100% black and white to me. That is
irrelevant to proper interpretation of Scripture and does not
interfere with my analytical mental faculties. For example, most
"Christians" believe that the Commandment to "Honor thy father
and thy mother" means you must obey their every wish. Obedience
has NOTHING to do with that. As Jesus made rather clear, it's
about taking economic and physical care of your parents in their
old age. You and I know that children were (and in some places
still are) the social security and retirement pension for humans
back then. Jesus was accutely aware of how hypocrites mistreated
their aged parents while claiming to be men of God. He called
them out on it and many other examples of Mammon worshipping
evil behavior.
But, people who find it uncomfortable to get past 1st grade
Sunday school (i.e. most American "Christians") cannot be
bothered with such realities. Providing sustenance for aged
parents is TOTALLY different from observing obedience to their
wishes. The "Honor" in that Commandment is where the word
"Honorarium" came from that the lawyers came up with to fleece
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As to your other points, I basically agree. The point of
contention you and I have has to do with the source of our
decision making mental and spiritual software, not what good
Christian behavior is.
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=11112.msg154751#msg154751
date=1527860329]
[quote author=Surly1 link=topic=11112.msg154741#msg154741
date=1527850858]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=11112.msg154717#msg154717
date=1527814170]
My Christianity has been tainted by lots of subversive
influences. Tantra. Taoism. Astrology. Past Lives. Karma.
Dharma. LSD. Peyote. Mushrooms. Meditation.
All kinds of unsubstantiated hocus pocus. I'm a spiritual
sponge. I soak it all up and when I dry out there is a little
bit of all of it still inside me. It is as it is supposed to be.
That's my faith.
I have no hope of influencing you in any positive way, or of
convincing you that my belief system has any merit, or that
anything in the world of spirituality is correct besides your
limited personal interpretation of Jesus's message as perceived
by a nosebleed Type One.
But I won't willingly stand by and listen to you badmouth me.
You aren't qualified to do that, and I won't allow it.
You don't hold the moral high ground here that you erroneously
assume that you do. You have your own work to do, and it's late
in the game for you. You should worry less about my **** and
more about your own ****.
[/quote]
This is the only comment I'll make on this thread, because it is
prima facie absurd. Reminds me of the old rock tune with the
lyric,
"My girl is red hot, your girl ain't doodle squat..." except
substitute "God" for "girl." A POV underpinning every pointless
squabble on the face of the earth.
This resonated for me:
[quote]I'm a spiritual sponge. I soak it all up and when I dry
out there is a little bit of all of it still inside me. It is as
it is supposed to be. That's my faith.[/quote]
Our faith tempered by experience makes us who we are. Seems
self-evident to me.
[/quote]
Not sure I get your POV either. I didn't mean it the way you
took it, that's for sure. If I had to rephrase what I meant, it
would be :
"I have my own belief system. It's a hodge-podge made up of
many influences. But it's mine, it's legitimate, and I won't
listen to some really ignorant and judgmental jerk try to take
it apart.
Better?[/quote]
You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but Surly's point
is 100% valid in regard to this subject. I think what Surly is
trying to say is as follows:
When discussing the term, "Christianity", different people get a
totally different picture in their heads. For example, a fighter
pilot gets a picture of a fighter plane when he hears the word,
"F16".
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But, a photographer gets a totally different picture in his head
when he hears the word, "F16".
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All that said, you and I pretty much understand each other. I
think that Works without Faith are as empty as Faith without
Works. You think that's for the guilt ridden.
I don't understand your hangup with guilt. For the life of me, I
don't feel any particular guilt for having a fallen nature. I
was born with it. You and Yogananda, however, eschew all that
"fallen nature" business. Sir, that is so basically UNChristian
it boggles the mind that anyone could reject the Biblical
teachings about human fallen nature, the ONLY reason Christ had
to die for us, and claim to be Christian.
Nevertheless, I understand that your "F16" is rather different
from my F16. When we die, that issue will be cleared up
permanently.
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The Book of James makes it rather clear that the cornerstone of
Christianity is Faith, even before the admonition that good
works MUST accompany Christian Faith. Good works come forth only
if the person actually lives their Faith.
Good Works without Christian Faith are laudable, but they are
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he
bottom Christian line is WORKS, as many New Age folks claim.
Capter 2: Verse 22 begins to clear that up. Then, verse 24 makes
it crystal clear that Faith (see: "only") is a sine qua non
Christian precondition to Good Chrisitian Works.
The following is sine qua non to being a Christian (Agelbert's
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14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has
faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a
brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and
one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and
filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed
for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself,
if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.”
Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my
faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the
demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O
foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not
Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his
son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together
with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the
Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and
it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called
the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by
works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works
when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without
works is dead also.[/font][/quote]
To Agent Graves:
Thank you for changing your icon. [img width=25
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/>Now I feel free to read your posts.
I am certain you view my stuffed shirt prude outlook as a
weakness. You are right. I do what I can. Welcome to the
Doomstead Diner. Here you will have a front row seat on the
collapse of industrial civilization. Most of us here feel it is
baked in (pun intended ;)).
RE,
You know that I hunger and thirst for justice as much as anybody
else. I have skills that make me a very, very potentially
dangerous person. As to being as evil as you can possibly be, I
probably take the prize here for past thoughts that, thankfully,
I never had the opportunity to carry out. Jesus said that if you
THINK approvingly and willfully of doing something (e.g.
adultery) you have already committed that sin.
Well, sin covers a lot of behavioral ground. As an Intelligence
Operations Specialist, while in training at Lowry AFB, Colorado
in 1967, I prepared a bombing run as an exercise to destroy two
major airfields in Hanoi, Noth Vietnam. I went to Bombing
Encyclopedia (a LARGE document prepared by the USAF with the
radar signature of EVERY CITY in the world - including US cities
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/>and looked up the included nuclear weapon yield. After doing
some math, I realized that two nukes with smaller yelds would do
more damage than one big one. Besides, B52s could carry the
slightly smaller ones easier. If that mission had taken place, I
would have shared the responsibility for killing over one
million people plus animals and foliage, followed by horrendous
misery and death for hundreds of thousands others within a year
or so. Yeah, it was just an exercise. BUT, I can tell you right
now I would have carried it out without batting a BRAINWASHED
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Paul ain't got nuttin' on me. I am the CHIEF among sinners. So,
I have a LOT to be grateful for by Jesus Christ coming into my
life. I know how to fly the big jets too. I am confident that I
will never use my dastardly skills to kill. But you never know.
Being a Christian is a daily struggle, not for the feint of
heart. I am NOT a nice guy. My good works behavior and
willingness to forego revenge for the evil visited on me an many
fellow humans for Christ is the result of God's grace, PERIOD.
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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
By: AGelbert Date: June 2, 2018, 6:47 pm
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[quote author=jdwheeler42 link=topic=11112.msg154857#msg154857
date=1527951831]
[quote author=Eddie link=topic=11112.msg154757#msg154757
date=1527861802]
[quote author=Agent Graves link=topic=11112.msg154727#msg154727
date=1527822019]
I had trouble with the sunday school conception of Christianity
since i started asking these questions and being reprimanded for
it in the 1st grade.
1. Jimmy Swaggart goes to heaven and Ghandi goes to hell.
2.Being born into abuse/starvation or being born to billionaires
is as random as advantageous mutation in the theory of
evolution.
3. No explanation of where human souls went prior to Jesus life.
4. No explanation of where souls go after 33AD but before
hearing the gospel that they are sinners and the white people
killing their fellow natives and taking their land are actually
good and doing them a favour by replacing their evil religions.
5.No explanation of why Jesus did not expressly forbid war and
conquest in his name if he is an all knowing God and knew this
would happen.
6. No explanation of where the seperate God resides, now that we
have orbited and photgraphed the earth from space, so scriptural
'on the clouds' is unstisfactory.
7. No explanation of Jesus absence age 12 to 30.
8. No explanation of why 3 men from the east who would hold
wrong beliefs were present at the first Christmas instead of at
least reps from Gods chosen people.
9. No explanation of why the 3 men from the east were "wise", if
they represent the sort of wrong teaching the Beatles travelled
to India for.
10. Jesus said he would return soon, 2000 years ago.
These need to be answered from the words of Jesus or direct
scripture, not post hoc theology.
As to that point about the Puritan belief permeating America as
a Christian country, I hope a uniform of authoritah is better
than bathing suits on a boat.
[/quote]
Nice post. All kids with a brain ask those questions when they
grow up in a fundamentalist authoritarian religious church. They
generally go unanswered, and that's one reason why thinking
people tend to drift away as they get out from under the thumb
of their parents and church elders.
There are answers to questions like that.
For one thing, the Christianity practiced in churches, by and
large, is a very twisted and perverted version of the real
thing. At least somebody like Palloy, who seems to have avoided
real Bible study (to his benefit), can grasp Jesus' basic
message. The more clap trap that gets added to the mix, the more
difficult that gets.
[/quote]
1. Love God
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
The rest is commentary.
Seen any mustard trees?
The "mustard seed" is the Gospel of Jesus. Mustard plants
normally are knee-high weeds. For it to grow as large as a tree
requires a miracle. That's because it has become a mutant. But
the point of that is to protect it from dying out. In the final
harvest, the wheat (those who truly follow Jesus, see #1 and #2
above) will be separated from the chaff (those who just took the
form of Christianity).
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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
By: AGelbert Date: June 2, 2018, 9:08 pm
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[quote author=Golden Oxen link=topic=11115.msg154916#msg154916
date=1527989312]
[quote author=agelbert link=topic=11115.msg154907#msg154907
date=1527986348]
Golden Oxen, if you actually believed that hell existed, you
would not repeat your TOO OFTEN repeated braggadocio about how
rich you are and how all of us "saints" will get our "reward in
heaven" while you "end up in Hell".
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Yeah, that's true. BUT, YOU DON'T BELIEVE A WORD OF IT!
[center]Golden Oxen does not like to have his life style
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Your correct Agelbert, I don't believe there is a hell for
people who do not want to spend their life and their families
being poor.
Nor a heaven for those who became poor through drugs and boozing
and partying.
Nice talking to you Anthony, GO
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How cleverly reductionist of you. Cut the bullshit, GO. You
don't have ANY conditions on your NONbelief in the existence of
Hell or Heaven. Your vulgar, empathy deficit disordered
stereotype demonising of the poor is typical of your rather
limited empathy for disadvantaged people, none of which have
abandoned their family or partied, but have been subjected to
social injustices you deliberately pretend are not there. Your
clever positioning of your greed based life style as "worthy" of
Heaven because you are "just taking care of your family", not
worshipping your STUFF while you rationalize that those who have
it "deserve" it and those who don't have it "deserve" not to
have it.
THIS is your Hell deserving religion, Mr. Golden Oxen:
[quote][font=times new roman]"Capitalist ideology claims that
the world is perfectly ordered and everybody is in their place
(i.e. everybody gets what they deserve). This self legitmating
aspect of Capitalism is Socially Catastrophic. This is the
Victorian view of the world." Rob Urie - Author " Zen
Economics"[/font][/quote]
Sir, you don't believe there is a hell, PERIOD. If you did, you
would not routinely work so hard to earn a place there. Have a
nice day.
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Yep. :(
The racist bastards never stop doing what they do. As they get
more confident of their power, they become more in-our-faces
about brazenly doing what those evil bastards have ALWAYS done
since ancient times, when they could get away with it.
[quote][font=times new roman]There is a generation that are pure
in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their
eyelids are lifted up.
There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw
teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the
needy from among men.
Proverbs 30:12-14 [/font][/quote]
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[quote][font=times new roman]2 Timothy 3:1-5 King James Version
(KJV)
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall
come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than
lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof:
from such turn away.[/font][/quote]
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William Rivers Pitt, Truthout: Due to the actions of the
institution’s leadership and the priests who have committed
unfathomable crimes against children, Catholic churches in the
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the last victim and the last collaborator. At long last, it is
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Agelbert NOTE: There is a special place in Hell for world class
hypocrites like "Dr." James Dobson, who once fooled me into
believing he was a brother in Christ. :(
[center]The hypocrisy of white evangelicals [/center]
By Renée Graham GLOBE COLUMNIST JULY 24, 2018
WHEN THEN-PRESIDENT Bill Clinton [img
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/>declared it was “foolish to believe that a person who lacks
honesty and moral integrity is qualified to lead a nation and
the world!” Under Clinton, Dobson, founder of Focus on the
Family, warned that America was facing “a profound moral
crisis.”
Fast-forward two decades. We’re chest deep in a profound moral
crisis, and every other kind of crisis you dare imagine. Yet,
like most of his fellow evangelicals, Dobson is as silent as a
church mouse about the White House’s current occupant, a man
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Instead, he received 81 percent of their vote, and their support
is unfailing.
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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2018, 3:34 pm
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[font=times new roman]Palmer Report [/font]» Analysis
When last year CNN fired sometime commentator and full time
religious studies scholar Reza Aslan for tweeting that Donald
Trump was a “piece of s h i t,” one was left to wonder if it was
because he employed a profanity in describing the President of
the United States, or merely because he committed the
journalistic heresy of stating the obvious. Whichever it was,
one cannot also help but wonder if CNN knew not what it did. For
it was also about that time that Aslan put his perspicacious
finger on the not-so-obvious reasons why “the Donald” has
gathered unto himself so rabid a following, and how, after all
this time, that following appears to have remained bafflingly
loyal.
The good news is the aforementioned following we are concerned
with here is at least confined to the pulpits and pews of white
fundamentalist Christians. Were it not for Aslan, the question
of why Trump should gain such popularity with such a group might
remain an ostensible head scratcher. But for this recipe for
Dragon Stew, Aslan actually provides us with a plausible dragon:
Donald Trump is a religious cult.
That cult comes compliments of something called “the prosperity
gospel.” The idea goes that the more righteous a man is, the
more God blesses him with material wealth. Trump’s ostentatious
trappings of wealth are the obvious proof that God must think
Trump a pretty groovy guy.
Some of the cynical among us noticed that “the prosperity
gospel” started to appear right around the same time that the
dorsal fins of the big-haired, Rolex-wearing televangelists
started to cut the water. Mansions needed sanctification, luxury
cars and private jets required the consecration of Elijah’s
chariots of fire. The prosperity gospel gave the perfect fit.
“But none of this … explains the most important phenomenon about
white evangelicals in America,” Aslan says, “and that is this:
In the span of a single election cycle, white evangelicals have
gone from being the group in America that is most likely to say
that a politician’s morality matters to the group that is now
least likely to say that.”
In other words, the cult of personality surrounding Donald Trump
has managed in a single election cycle to convince good people
that doing bad things is okay. The last time we witnessed a
phenomenon like that was when a community of Americans settled
in a little regarded country called Guyana led by a little known
evangelical named Jim Jones. This time the stakes are much, much
higher.
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Agelbert NOTE: The Heretical Doctrine of Demons called
"Prosperity Preaching" (a principle tenet of the Antinomian
Christian Heretical teaching), that the pseudo-Christians in the
USA are enthralled with, is thousands of years old.
[quote]an·ti·no·mi·an
[an-ti- noh-mee- uhn]
NOUN
a person who maintains that Christians are freed from the moral
law by virtue of grace as set forth in the gospel.[/quote]
I have a deceased brother-in-law who worshipped monetary wealth
above any Christian duty to help the disadvantaged and poor of
this world. He thought it was A-OKAY to be GREEDY, as his wife
(my sister, also a Mammon worshipping Pseudo-Christian) still,
unfortunately for her, does.
In the Epistle II Peter in the New Testament, Peter addresses
the Antinomians who claimed to be Christians. These Heretics
were defined by their insistance that it was okay to sin to get
more money and wantonly engage in just about any worldly lust
they wanted to engage in based on a deliberate twisting of the
Holy Scripture (SEE Paul: "We are saved by Grace, not works").
Peter makes it crystal clear that claiming to be a Christian and
chasing money, comfort, power and the lusts of the flesh is
HERESY. Anyone practicing it is doomed to perdition, period.
[quote][font=times new roman]II PETER 2: 17-22
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with
a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18
For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure
through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those
that were clean [5] escaped from them who live in error. 19
While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the
servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the
same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have
escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the
Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein,
and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the
beginning. 21 For it had been better for them not to have known
the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to
turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it
is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is
turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
her wallowing in the mire.[/font][/quote]
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Re: End Times according to the Judeo Christian Bible
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SNIPPET:
[quote]earlofhuntingdon says:
October 17, 2018 at 11:18 am
Yep, more wishing from lawyers for Trump, hoping that a
troubling prosecution will go away. The meme also serves to
distract the Don about how this will all go away by the end of
the week/month/Friedman unit. Giuliani has been peddling that s
h i t for months.
Nothing’s “going away” if Mueller announces a series of
indictments. That just turns the heat on the Trump frying pan.
This relates to the question the MSM seems to be breathlessly
asking itself: Why is Trump making this mid-term election about
him?
Does the MSM have the same vacant memory as Donald Trump?
Everything is about Trump, just as the Kavanaugh “win” was all
about his intervention. Donald Trump could not permit an
election to be about anything but him. It occupies the press
for months.
He needs to frame the issues, too. Just as he needs to distract
from the fact that he cannot do the job he endlessly campaigns
for, but makes money from. That would include the opportunity
to raise mountains of “campaign” cash.
The press just noting the dollar amounts raised adds no value.
What would add value would be investigative reporting on whose
coffers it ends up in and what it’s spent on. Such as painfully
expensive criminal defense lawyers for close associates of
Donald J. Trump.
Lee says:
October 17, 2018 at 7:50 pm
“Everything is about Trump, just as the Kavanaugh “win” was all
about his intervention. Donald Trump could not permit an
election to be about anything but him.”
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someone who wants to dominate the whole universe, to be the
center of everything. It brings to mind the words of C.S.
Lewis’s character Screwtape, a demon writing to his nephew
Wormwood about their war against God: “We want cattle who can
finally become food; He (God) wants servants who can finally
become sons. We want to suck in, He wants to give out. We are
empty and would be filled; He is full and flows over. Our war
aim is a world in which Our Father Below has drawn all other
beings into himself: the Enemy wants a world full of beings
united to Him but still distinct.”
I can’t think of a more apt personification of “our Father
Below” than Donald Trump. Just FWIW. [/quote]
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