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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: July 11, 2015, 12:57 am
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: July 11, 2015, 3:42 pm
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‘Guerrilla Warfare Against a Hegemonic Power’: The Challenge and
Promise of Greece
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Agelbert Comment:
Ellen, you have been making perfect sense about banking issues
for over a decade. But the problem is not that the EU or the US
hegemonic type mens rea modus operandi of these bankers is due
to ignorance which is financially counter productive; the
problem is that they ARE MAFIA. The criminal mafia is PEANUTS
compared to these Empathy Deficit Disordered financiers.
There is ZERO reason to respect the troika bankers. They are
criminals, period.
Greece should go the electronic money route for goods and
services in country NOW. If you sell your house, you get a
check. You can use that check to buy local with a debit card,
The currency can be Drachmas, Dollars, Euros or seashells for
that matter.
People will look at your house and price it accordingly. Sellers
of local products will do the same. This is not hard.
SCREW the creditors and bond holders. It's time for Greece to
get real about their own version of Empathy Deficit Disordered
in house greed balls that keep degrading the country, as well as
the ones outside the country in the Troika.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: July 13, 2015, 11:34 pm
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Lauren McCauley, CommonDreams | July 13, 2015 1:52 pm
The latest call for a youth uprising against global capitalism
came not from grassroots groups, but from the leader of the
Catholic Church, who on Sunday gave a rousing speech during
which he told a crowd of young people in Paraguay that it is
their time to “make a mess.”
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The address marked the end of Pope Francis’ week-long pilgrimage
to Latin America, during which he also assailed the prevailing
economic system as the “dung of the devil,” saying that the
systemic “greed for money” is a “subtle dictatorship” that
“condemns and enslaves men and women.”
During Sunday’s rally, which was held on the banks of the
Paraguay River outside the capital Asunción, the Argentinian
pontiff went off-script as he addressed tens of thousands of
local youth.
“They wrote a speech for me to give you. But speeches are
boring,” Pope Francis said. “Make a mess, but then also help to
tidy it up. A mess which gives us a free heart, a mess which
gives us solidarity, a mess which gives us hope.”
He also encouraged those present to look at their less fortunate
peers, some of whom he met earlier in the day during a visit to
the Banado Norte shantytown, and spoke of the connection between
authentic liberty and responsibility and the necessity of
fighting for the right to lead a dignified life.
“We don’t want young weaklings. We do not want young people who
tire quickly, who live life worn out with faces of boredom. We
want youths with hope and strength,” Francis told the crowd.
Pope Francis’ South American visit comes just week after the
release of his Papal Encyclical, which many hailed as a “radical
statement,” in which he told leaders of the Catholic Church that
there is a moral imperative for addressing climate change.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: August 22, 2015, 5:11 pm
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Cuba’s Low Level of Internet Use: Not a Policy of Restricting
the Flow of Information
Stephen Gowans
August 22, 2015
If you want to find examples of governments restricting the flow
of information on the internet for political purposes, look to
the United States and its allies, and not to the low-level of
internet use in Cuba, which, notwithstanding press reports to
the contrary, is a consequence of Cuba’s comparatively low-level
of economic development, not communist ‘totalitarianism.’
Part of the dogma of capitalist societies is that communist
states are inherently restrictive and ‘totalitarian’, in
contrast to liberal democracies, which are portrayed as beacons
of liberty. Communist states, we’re told, suppress dissent,
while capitalist states allow it to flourish. This, of course,
is nonsense. All states, regardless of how they’re organized
economically, suppress dissent under circumstances of grave
threat, and relax repression as danger diminishes. Those that
are the most free, are those that face the least danger. Highly
restrictive societies are typically highly threatened. The
restrictions in the Soviet Union from its birth in 1917 to its
collapse in 1991 are pointed to as proof of the totalitarian
nature of communism (or “Stalinism”), but the reality that the
country was in a permanent state of crisis is ignored, and
restrictive measures have long been recognized as legitimate and
necessary under emergency conditions, including in liberal
theory and practice. Wave after wave of aggression crashed
against the Soviet Union from its birth until its collapse.
These included the aggressions of Wilhelmine Germany, the
intervention of the Entente powers in the Civil War, Japan’s
harassment of Soviet borders in the 1930s, the invasion of Nazi
Germany, the Cold War, and Reagan’s program of spending the
Soviets into bankruptcy. The objective of each aggression was
the total annihilation of the communist state.
Totalitarianism has not been a stranger to liberal democracies
either. Despite being sheltered by two oceans, having no hostile
powers on its borders, and facing no realistic threat of
invasion, the US state in two world wars invested its executive
with dictatorial powers. These were used to direct the country’s
economy, control the flow of information, crackdown on dissent,
and herd potential fifth columnists into concentration camps.
Even today, despite facing the comparatively minor threat of
potential blowback from the political Islamic forces it has long
supported to disrupt secular Arab nationalism [1], the United
States, Britain, France, Canada and Australia have invested the
political policing functions of their respective states with
growing powers of surveillance and disruption.
Philosopher and historian Domenico Losurdo observes:
In reality, although protected by the Atlantic and the
Pacific, every time it has rightly or wrongly felt itself
imperilled, the North American republic has proceeded to a more
or less drastic reinforcement of executive power and to more or
less heavy restrictions on freedom of association of expression.
This applies to the years immediately following the French
Revolution (when its devotees on American soil were hit by the
Alien and Sedition Acts), to the Civil War, the First Word War,
the Great Depression, the Second World War and the Cold War.
Even in our day, the sequel of the attack of 11 September 2001
was the opening of a concentration camp at Guantanamo, where
detainees have been imprisoned without trial, and without even
being informed of a specific charge, regardless of age. However
terrible, the threat of terrorism is minor compared with that of
invasion and military occupation, not to mention nuclear
destruction. [2]
The restrictive practices, or ‘totalitarianism’, of communist
states are not inherent. They are, instead, defensive measures
against external threat. Cuba and North Korea have been under a
greater sustained threat of invasion and military occupation
than any other country (and North Korea is additionally under
the threat of nuclear destruction.) It is in these countries
that the pressure for restrictive practices is most acutely
felt. Nor are restrictions on civil and political liberties
unique to communist states. They are also found in abundance in
capitalist countries, as well.
To illustrate how the dogma in capitalist society conditions its
mass media to portray communist countries as inherently
restrictive, consider a recent Wall Street Journal article on
the expansion of internet access in Cuba (“Cubans get a
tantalizing taste of the internet,” August 19, 2015).
The article attributes the comparatively low level of internet
use on the Caribbean island to a theorized desire of Cuban
authorities to control the flow of information, rather than to a
more likely explanation, namely Cuba’s low level of economic
development. We would expect that more developed countries would
have a higher level of internet use, and less developed
countries a lower level. If the level of internet use in Cuba is
on par with that of other countries at the same level of
economic development, the country’s low level of internet use
can be explained by economic development, not a desire to
restrict access to the internet to control the flow of
information.
The graph below uses World Bank data to show the relationship
between internet use per 100 people and GDP per capita. If the
Cuban government deliberately restricts internet use, we would
expect Cuba to depart significantly to the right of the trend
line. Instead, it falls close to it, meaning the level of
internet use in Cuba is typical of countries at an equal level
of economic development. We can dismiss, therefore, the view
that the Caribbean island’s low level of internet use is due to
the government deliberately restricting access to the Web. The
Wall Street Journal’s explanation of the low level of internet
use in Cuba is a political argument, intended to mislead and
discredit, not illuminate.
Internet users per 100At 30 users per 100 people in 2014,
internet use in Cuba was on par with that of Egypt (32) and El
Salvador (30) and greater than in Guatemala (23), Honduras (19),
India (18), Nicaragua (18) and Haiti (11) (World Bank). The
average for Central America, a region on which the United States
has lavished much attention to keep it free from communist
‘totalitarianism’, was 29, virtually equal to that of Cuba. If
Cuba’s low level of internet use is indicative of Havana
deliberately restricting access to the internet to control the
flow of information, then the governments of Central America,
along with Egypt and India, must also be ‘totalitarian.’
More fertile ground for identifying governments that impede the
flow of information for political purposes can be found in the
US orbit, among such trusted US (and capitalist) allies as South
Korea, Turkey, Britain, Canada and the United States itself.
The South Korean police state vigorously effaces online content
it doesn’t want South Koreans to see. When a computer user in
South Korea clicks on an item on the North Korean Twitter
account, a government warning against illegal content pops up.
In 2011, South Korean authorities blocked over 53,000 internet
posts for infractions which included having a kind word to say
about North Korea. In the same year, the South Korean police
state deleted over 67,000 Web posts that were deemed favorable
to North Korea or which criticized the US or South Korean
government. Over 14,000 posts were deleted in 2009. [3]
In Turkey, “thousands of Web sites are blocked by the state,
mostly without any publicized reason.” [4]
In Britain, government officials have met with representatives
of Twitter, Facebook and BlackBerry “to discuss voluntary ways
to limit or restrict the use of social media to combat crime and
periods of civil unrest.” Free-speech advocates liken these
policies to those the British government “has criticized in
totalitarian and one-party states.” [5]
The Canadian government recently passed legislation that would
give its spy agency, CSIS, authority to disrupt “radical
websites” and remove “terrorist propaganda” from the
Internet—that is, restrict the flow of information on the Web.
[6]
As for the United States, in 2009 “the U.S. Treasury Department
ordered the closure of more than eighty websites related to Cuba
that promoted trade and thus violated U.S. legislation on
economic sanctions.” [7]
If the United States, South Korea, Turkey, Britain and Canada
restrict the flow of information on the Internet for political
reasons, how is it that Cuba is totalitarian, but these states
are beacons of liberty?
Two further points.
First, the United States has waged a campaign of economic
warfare against Cuba for over five decades. It’s impossible to
say how large the Cuban economy would be today had it been
allowed to develop unimpeded, but some estimates put the cost to
Cuba of US economic aggression at $750 to $975 billion. [8] One
analyst estimates that “Without the blockade, the Cuban standard
of living today might well be equal to that of Western Europe.”
[9] If so, internet use in Cuba would likely resemble European
levels of 76 per 100 people, rather than today’s 30.
Second, the US propaganda system can’t mention internet access
in Cuba without making reference to blogger Yoani Sanchez, whose
online newspaper 14ymedio “is blocked in Cuba,” according to The
Wall Street Journal. [10] There is a good reason for this.
Sanchez’s web site appears to be a hostile project of the United
States, a country in a virtual state of war with Cuba. Despite
her status as a grassroots dissident, Sanchez’s web site is
miraculously “available in no less than 18 languages….No other
site in the world, including those of major international
institutions such as the UN, World Bank, IMF, OECD, and the
European Union, has as many language versions available. Not
even the U.S. State Department web site or the CIA has such a
variety.” [11]
Moreover,
The site hosting the blog of Sanchez has a bandwidth 60
times higher than Cuba has for all its Internet users! Other
questions inevitably arise about it: Who manages these pages in
18 languages? Who pays the administrators? How much? Who pays
for the translators who work daily on Sanchez's site? How much?
Furthermore, the management of a flow of more than 14 million
visitors monthly is extremely expensive. Who pays for that? [12]
Jose Luis Martinez, a spokesman for the Foundation for Human
Rights in Cuba, attributes the blocking of 14ymedio to the Cuban
government’s desire “to have some type of control” and of being
“a totalitarian regime trying to operate in the 21st century.”
[13] US client state Egypt has locked up nearly 500 of Sanchez’s
fellow political bloggers [14], while Washington’s strategic
partner and major arms buyer Saudi Arabia has sentenced one
blogger to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for his dissident
views [15], yet Havana, the ‘totalitarian regime’ that insists
on ‘some type of control’, has spared Sanchez a similar fate. By
Martinez’s reasoning, Egypt—which receives $1.3 billion annually
in military aid from the United States, second only to Israel
[16]—must be a totalitarian state on steroids. And yet it
suffers none of the denigration Western news media heap on Cuba.
Losurdo observes that if Cuba’s measures for repressing some
political dissent are totalitarianism, then West Germany, which
did not shrink from repressing communists, and which, like
Hitler, banned the Communist Party, would also have to be
regarded as totalitarian. [17] The same could be said of South
Korea, whose infamous National Security Law continues to be used
to lock up leftists. The South Korea police state recently
disbanded one left-wing party, stripping its legislators of
their parliamentary seats, and jailing a handful of its members,
including the lawmaker Lee Seok-ki. [18]
Decades of low-intensity warfare against Cuba carried out by the
United States, including a blockade, unremitting military
threat, sabotage, support for fifth columnists, and occasional
terrorism, has created a de facto state of war. Nevertheless,
Cuba has reacted to this situation with measures no more drastic
than those implemented in the United States during two world
wars, [19] and no more drastic than those once implemented in
West Germany and currently practiced with vigor in South Korea.
It’s not ‘totalitarian’ Cuban government policy that has limited
internet use in Cuba. Internet use in Cuba has been limited by
the comparatively low level of development of the Cuban economy
and the US economic aggression which has stifled it. What
restrictions Cuba has implemented are warranted defensive
measures against the predations of its hyper-aggressive neighbor
to the north. This, however, would be news to those who follow
the mass media in capitalist societies. The sole interest of
these media when it comes to Cuba and North Korea is to
discredit ideological competitors through the propagation of
dogma which treats the warts of all societies as uniquely
present in those of communism and absent in those of capitalism.
[hr]
1. See Robert Dreyfus, Devil’s Game: How the United States
Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam, Holt Paperbacks, 2005 and
Mark Curtis, Secret Affairs: Britain’s Collusion with Radical
Islam, Serpent’s Tail, 2010.
2. Domenico Losurdo. War and Revolution: Rethinking the 20th
Century. Verso. 2015. p 58.
3. Stephen Gowans, “South Korea’s Police State Wages War on
Proponents of Democracy,” what’s left, January 27, 2015.
4. Sebnem Arsu, “Internet filters set off protests around
Turkey”, The New York Times, May 15, 2011.
5. Ravi Somaiya, “In Britain, a meeting on limiting social
media”, The New York Times, August 25, 2011.
6. “Tell Parliament-defeat police state bill C-51!”, People’s
Voice, February 5, 2015.
7. Salim Lamrani, “The Contradictions of Cuban Blogger Yoani
Sanchez,” MRZine, December 11, 2009.
8. Aida Calviac Mora, “With Obama in the White House, the
blockade hasn’t changed at all”, Granma International, September
16, 2010; Thomas Kenny, “Interview with Thomas Kenny co-author
of Socialism of ‘Betrayed Behind the Collapse of the Soviet
Union, 1917-1991,” PoliticalEconomy.ie, March 16, 2015.
9. Kenny.
10. Ryan Dube, “Cubans get a tantalizing taste of the internet,”
The Wall Street Journal, August 19, 2015.
11. Lamrani.
12. Lamrani.
13. Dube.
14. Jeffrey Fleishman, “In Egypt, a blogger tries to spread
‘culture of disobedience’ among youths,” The Los Angeles Times,
April 29, 2009.
15. Jay Solomon and Felicia Schwartz, “U.S. rebukes Saudis for
sentencing blogger to 1,000 lashes,” The Wall Street Journal,
January 8, 2014.
16. Carol E. Lee and Gordon Lubold, “U.S. seeks to allay
concerns of allies on Iran nuclear deal,” The Wall Street
Journal, July 19, 2015.
17. Losurdo, p. 312.
18. Gowans.
19. Losurdo, p. 312.
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Agelbert NOTE: I wish to add one observation. It's not that the
leadership of the US felt imperiled. The fact is the US was an
expansionist power from the start. They covered up for that with
"Enlightenment" rhetoric, but that was, and is, just a clever
guise. And expansionist power needs to have a well oiled
propaganda machine to convince the public to support wars in
taxes and blood. Consequently, the creation of enemies is par
for the propaganda course. The public had to be convinced they
were "imperiled" in order to sucker said public into being
fleeced six ways from Sunday. The NAZI propaganda [I]modus
operandi[/I] had long been used (and still is used) by the US
propaganda machine to fund wars and mayhem.
[quote] Wartime propagandists universally seek to justify the
use of military violence by portraying it as morally defensible
and necessary. To do otherwise would jeopardize public morale
and faith in the government and its armed forces.
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They cast Germany as a victim or potential victim of foreign
aggressors, as a peace-loving nation forced to take up arms to
protect its populace or defend European civilization against
Communism.
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The war aims professed at each stage of the hostilities almost
always disguised actual Nazi intentions of territorial expansion
and racial warfare.
This was propaganda of deception, designed to fool or misdirect
the populations in Germany, German-occupied lands, and the
neutral countries. [/quote]
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Does the above not sound nauseatingly familiar to Fox News and
friends programming?
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The US tried to do to Cuba (from 1959 until the present) what
France, England and the US did to Haiti from 1803 until the
present. It did not work.
Now they are going to plan B which involves neoliberal happy
talk and seductive attempts to increase mindless consumerism in
Cuba. Cuba knows the score. The predatory capitalists had better
bring a sandwich. ;D
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: August 31, 2015, 9:25 pm
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[quote]Until we dismantle the neoliberal order and recover the
humanistic tradition that rejects the view that human beings and
the Earth are commodities to exploit, our form of industrialized
and economic barbarity will collide with the barbarity of those
who oppose us.
The only choice offered by “bourgeois society,” as Friedrich
Engels knew, is “socialism
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: September 27, 2015, 1:51 am
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Part of that foreign policy that keeps us all living under
Cheneylaw rather than Napoleonic.
ISIS only exists because Pres. Bush and his puppet master, Dick
Cheney, invaded Iraq under false pretenses in order to enrich
their military contractor buddies (Cheney's own Halliburton
profited $39 billion).
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Yep. There is a long tradition backing Cheney's MO (see
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We all know that everybody on Wall Street lies whenever
necessary to make a lot of money. But since 2012 we know that at
least one fourth of them tell the truth in surveys...
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Jul. 10, 2012, 5:12 PM
According to a report released today by Labaton Sucharow, a
shocking 24 percent of financial executives from the US and UK
believe that it is necessary "to engage in unethical or illegal
conduct in order to be successful."
Perhaps more surprising, 26 percent of the 500 senior executives
polled said they actually knew about immoral behavior going on
in the work place.[/quote]
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Shocking? SURPRISING!!?
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: October 1, 2015, 8:40 pm
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World | Wed Sep 23, 2015 6:12am EDT
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MOSCOW
Russian President Vladimir Putin arrives to deliver his speech
during an opening ceremony of the MAKS International Aviation
and Space Salon in Zhukovsky, outside Moscow, Russia, August 25,
2015. REUTERS/Maxim Shemetov
Russia would be forced to take counter measures to restore the
balance of power in Europe if media reports that the United
States plans to upgrade its nuclear presence in Germany are
true, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said on Wednesday.
The spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, was commenting after Germany's ZDF
TV Channel reported that the United States intended to place 20
B61-12 nuclear bombs at the Büchel Air Base later this year.
"This could alter the balance of power in Europe," Peskov told
reporters. "And without doubt it would demand that Russia take
necessary counter measures to restore the strategic balance and
parity."
(Reporting by Masha Tsvetkova and Katya Golubkova; Editing by
Andrew Osborn)
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Monsta said, [quote]Let us assume the false flag theory is true
and this event was planned what would be the objective of such
an event? Would it be to convince the French public to be more
supportive of aggressive military actions or to take a more hard
line approach to immigration? I think if there is a motive it
would more likely be the former as staging an event like this
simply to reduce immigration is overkill.[/quote]
I agree that the motive is not more war in the Middle East or
the immigration thing.
So, WHAT IS THE MOTIVE?
[move]Polluters Goebbels Style Conspiracy to Sabotage
COP21[/move]
Let us connect the war profiteering dots, shall we? Some here
will scoff and say I just discarded "more war" as a motive. Yes,
I did that. But I DID NOT discard WAR SCARE propaganda.
WHAT, EXACTLY, is scheduled to happen next month in PARIS that
threatens the bottom line of ALL the war profiteering ****s all
over the planet?
[b]COP21![/b]
Can you think of a better way to DISTRACT the worldwide public
from the climate change reforms that spell bankruptcy for the
polluting "business models" that RELY on price shocks and wars
to keep making billions of dollars in profits to buy or bop
politicians with?
Can you think of a better way to frighten all the delegates from
all over the world coming to Paris next month?
Can you think of a better way to keep the climate change issue
OFF the front pages while the COP21 conference gets CASTRATED by
the fossil fuel, mining, chemical, weapons manufacturing and
pharmaceutical (etc.) industries?
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: November 14, 2015, 7:13 pm
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Jon Schwarz says The Devil’s Chessboard confirms that “your
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[quote]JFK And The Secret Rockefeller Government - a double book
review
Nov. 13, 2015 7:14 am by Roger Casement
This is a consideration/review by David Swanson of the both
excellent "JFK And The Unspeakable - Why he died and why it
matters", by James Douglass. And "The Devil's Chessboard", by
David Talbot.
“JFK and the Unspeakable” and “The Deep State”: The
Assassinations of John and Robert Kennedy, The Role of Allen
DullesBy David SwansonGlobal Research, November 13, 2015David
Swanson's Blog 13 November 2015Region: USATheme: Intelligence
By now there’s not nearly as much disagreement regarding what
happened to John and Robert Kennedy as major communications
corporations would have you believe. While every researcher and
author highlights different details, there isn’t any serious
disagreement among, say, Jim Douglass’ JFK and the Unspeakable,
Howard Hunt’s deathbed confession, and David Talbot’s new The
Devil’s Chessboard.
Jon Schwarz says The Devil’s Chessboard confirms that “your
darkest suspicions about how the world operates are likely an
underestimate. Yes, there is an amorphous group of unelected
corporate lawyers, bankers, and intelligence and military
officials who form an American ‘deep state,’ setting real limits
on the rare politicians who ever try to get out of line.”
For those of us who were already convinced of that up to our
eyeballs, Talbot’s book is still one of the best I’ve seen on
the Dulles brothers and one of the best I’ve seen on the
assassination of John F. Kennedy. Where it differs from
Douglass’ book, I think, is not so much in the evidence it
relates or the conclusions it draws, but in providing an
additional motivation for the crime.
JFK and the Unspeakable depicts Kennedy as getting in the way of
the violence that Allen Dulles and gang wished to engage in
abroad. He wouldn’t fight Cuba or the Soviet Union or Vietnam or
East Germany or independence movements in Africa. He wanted
disarmament and peace. He was talking cooperatively with
Khrushchev, as Eisenhower had tried prior to the U2-shootdown
sabotage. The CIA was overthrowing governments in Iran,
Guatemala, the Congo, Vietnam, and around the world. Kennedy was
getting in the way.
The Devil’s Chessboard depicts Kennedy, in addition, as himself
being the sort of leader the CIA was in the habit of
overthrowing in those foreign capitals. Kennedy had made enemies
of bankers and industrialists. He was working to shrink oil
profits by closing tax loopholes, including the “oil depletion
allowance.” He was permitting the political left in Italy to
participate in power, outraging the extreme right in Italy, the
U.S., and the CIA. He aggressively went after steel corporations
and prevented their price hikes. This was the sort of behavior
that could get you overthrown if you lived in one of those
countries with a U.S. embassy in it.
Yes, Kennedy wanted to eliminate or drastically weaken and
rename the CIA. Yes he threw Dulles and some of his gang out the
door. Yes he refused to launch World War III over Cuba or Berlin
or anything else. Yes he had the generals and warmongers against
him, but he also had Wall Street against him.
Of course “politicians who ever try to get out of line” are now,
as then, but more effectively now, handled first by the media.
If the media can stop them or some other maneuver can stop them
(character assassination, blackmail, distraction, removal from
power) then violence isn’t required.
The fact that Kennedy resembled a coup target, not just a
protector of other targets, would be bad news for someone like
Senator Bernie Sanders if he ever got past the media, the “super
delegates,” and the sell-out organizations to seriously threaten
to take the White House. A candidate who accepts the war machine
to a great extent and resembles Kennedy not at all on questions
of peace, but who takes on Wall Street with the passion it
deserves, could place himself as much in the cross-hairs of the
deep state as a Jeremy Corbyn who takes on both capital and
killing.
Accounts of the escapades of Allen Dulles, and the dozen or more
partners in crime whose names crop up beside his decade after
decade, illustrate the power of a permanent plutocracy, but also
the power of particular individuals to shape it. What if Allen
Dulles and Winston Churchill and others like them hadn’t worked
to start the Cold War even before World War II was over? What if
Dulles hadn’t collaborated with Nazis and the U.S. military
hadn’t recruited and imported so many of them into its ranks?
What if Dulles hadn’t worked to hide information about the
holocaust while it was underway? What if Dulles hadn’t betrayed
Roosevelt and Russia to make a separate U.S. peace with Germany
in Italy? What if Dulles hadn’t begun sabotaging democracy in
Europe immediately and empowering former Nazis in Germany? What
if Dulles hadn’t turned the CIA into a secret lawless army and
death squad? What if Dulles hadn’t worked to end Iran’s
democracy, or Guatemala’s? What if Dulles’ CIA hadn’t developed
torture, rendition, human experimentation, and murder as routine
policies? What if Eisenhower had been permitted to talk with
Khrushchev? What if Dulles hadn’t tried to overthrow the
President of France? What if Dulles had been “checked” or
“balanced” ever so slightly by the media or Congress or the
courts along the way?
These are tougher questions than “What if there had been no Lee
Harvey Oswald?” The answer to that is, “There would have been
another guy very similar to serve the same purpose, just as
there had been in the earlier attempt on JFK in Chicago. But
“What if there had been no Allen Dulles?” looms large enough to
suggest the possible answer that we would all be better off,
less militarized, less secretive, less xenophobic. And that
suggests that the deep state is not uniform and not unstoppable.
Talbot’s powerful history is a contribution to the effort to
stop it.
I hope Talbot speaks about his book in Virginia, after which he
might stop saying that Williamsburg and the CIA’s “farm” are in
“Northern Virginia.” Hasn’t Northern Virginia got enough to be
ashamed of without that?
The original source of this article is David Swanson's Blog
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