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       #Post#: 2692--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: February 17, 2015, 6:33 pm
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       GO said (about ISIS), [quote]See what I meant? Can you feel it
       yet? Sense how fast they are moving, consolidating their gains
       and striking with renewed strength and vigor?
       [/quote]
       The musical director for David, a fellow called Asaph, was 3000
       years ahead of you.  8)
       [quote][font=times new roman]He wrote more of the Bible than
       Peter, James, Jude, Jonah, Amos, Micah, Joel, Malachi,
       Zephaniah, Habakkuk, Nahum, Haggai, or Obadiah. Interestingly
       enough, if we take the time to dig it out, the Bible tells more
       about Asaph's life than it tells us about any other author of
       scripture except Moses, David, Samuel, and perhaps Isaiah,
       Hosea, and Jeremiah.  :o
       We know the times Asaph lived in (circa 1020 - 920 BC), from
       David's reign, through Solomon's to Rehoboam's.
       [/font][/quote]
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       Asaph was VERY angry and depressed about just about everything
       turning to EVIL in his lifetime. In Psalm 73 he complains
       bitterly about how the Godless rich, who think God does not see
       their evil works, continue to prosper while good people continue
       to get the shaft.
       This is just part of the EVIL that he lived through:
       [quote][font=times new roman]After Solomon's dedication of the
       Temple, Asaph saw Israel's "golden age" turn into something
       quite apart from what he expected. After a promising beginning,
       Solomon turned his back on God and pursued power, wealth,
       luxury, and human wisdom,[3] as well as worship of other
       gods.[4]
       To finance these pursuits the people were oppressed with slavery
       [5] and taxes.[6] Asaph saw Solomon become a wicked man who
       entrusted the administration of his Kingdom to other wicked men.
       There is good reason to believe (see Appendix 5) that during
       Solomon's reign, Asaph's brother Zechariah [7] was assassinated
       in the Temple by Solomon's agents. Neither Asaph nor Zechariah
       would keep silent about Solomon's wickedness. Zechariah paid the
       ultimate price. [/font][/quote]
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       Nothing new under sun, old chum. Evil is as evil does. 8)
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       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: February 17, 2015, 6:37 pm
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       Surly said,
       [quote]Putin is going all over the world trying to make friends
       at a time when we are circling the world p issing people
       off.[/quote]
       Yep. Smart cookie.
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       Russian kitty:
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       World's impression of USA:
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       #Post#: 2707--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: February 21, 2015, 4:09 pm
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       Surly,
       If we are going to define evil in terms of malice and
       aforethought (mens rea), our country is simply unmatched by any
       other in the history of the PLANET!
       IF said mens rea does not count unless the crime of willful
       assault, torture, and death is perpetrated, the weight of the
       responsibility is on the party or parties committing most of the
       crimes, is it not?
       What role does the MASSIVE FUNDING of these criminals by our
       mens rea fascists play in GO's evil rate increase calculus is a
       concern of mine. I think it plays too small a role. Hence my
       view that he lacks perspective. But there is more.
       When this discussion devolved into counting dead bodies as the
       standard for evil behavior, it lost even more proper
       perspective.
       UB and RE both state that , no ticket, no laundry, right? The
       "despicable pieces of shi t", as Ashvin correctly describes
       them, DO what they DO because they are FUNDED to do it. Of
       course they are evil. Of course they enjoy what they do. But
       they are FAR outnumbered by the barbaric pieces of shi t making
       up a certain percentage of OUR boots on the ground and OUR
       police officers in every large city and many middle sized ones
       in the USA!
       And then there is the ACTUAL organized criminal element in this
       country. Ask your cop family about the kind of world class
       butchery that goes on in every American large city every day by
       these fucks. COUNT the bodies. SUM UP the tortured, raped and
       abused people of all ages from the aged to babies in all sorts
       of EVIL imaginative ways RIGHT HERE!
       The fact that some of us, myself included, are highly
       uncomfortable with being in the crosshairs of a terrorist group
       that butchers Christians is not grounds for establishing that an
       evil presence is growing on the planet. Just because I am the
       target, it does NOT mean I am free to assume an increase in
       evil, does it?
       Finally, just counting butchered bodies from accidents where
       allegedly NO EVIL agency was involved, FAR exceeds the pain of
       torture, decapitation, brutal dismembering, maiming and so on
       that the terrorists inflict. Just ask Our EMT Fox about the
       massive pain and agony accident vitims with crushed parts or
       dismemberment suffer from due to thousands and thousands and
       thousands of car crashes in this country every year.
       The entire discussion of ISIS, MISIS, WISIS or whatever name the
       papers come up with for dial a terrorist organization out there
       that we should shake in our boots about, what they do, and when
       they do it, is NOTHING compared to the number of deaths that
       occur in THIS country (one person is killed by a drunk driver
       every 53 minutes). Then there are the 125,000 average deaths per
       year by LEGAL prescription drugs.
       I have my view of what proper perspective on the level of Homo
       SAP evil in this planet is as CAUSED by the planning, funding
       and execution of evil acts, as well as the planning for, and
       funding of, criminally negligent behavior by our government that
       results in thousands of needless deaths. I consider that evil
       too.
       That is my perspective. I do not see it increasing.
       #Post#: 2708--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: February 21, 2015, 4:16 pm
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       Thank you Surly and GO for responding in gentlemanly Diner mode.
       
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       I try to be polite here but, beneath the surface, if I let
       loose, my tirades would leave Karpatok in the dust! Early on,
       she recognized me as a potential freedom fighter and used all
       her considerable rhetorical skills and vocabulary to try to
       shame me into going out there and kicking some empire ass. Don't
       believe for a second that I haven't considered it. But
       Christianity, the real kind, does not justify tit for tat,
       period. Raulito figured that out towards the end.
       Here, From Chomsky, is another reason I have very little
       patience for claims of an evil encroaching presence in the world
       (NOBODY has one upped the USA YET, GO).
       Chomsky on the REALLY evil empire.   [img width=100
       height=080]
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       My Cousin was a great actor. But he was every bit as angered by,
       and FAR MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE of, than most people in the USA in
       general, and the Doomstead Diner in particular, of the LEVEL of
       EVIL in this world and WHO is RESPONSIBLE for it.
       THAT is what is just below the surface in Agelbert. Raulito
       reconverted back to Catholicism after doing the movie Romero. He
       went from Catholic as a child to Buddhist for most of his life
       and Catholic at the end. You can claim it was due to his method
       acting technique.
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       I
       suspect the IN YOUR FACE reality of massive evil in this world
       had something to do with it, PARTICULARY what PREDATORY
       CAPITALIST TERRORISM FUNDED BY OUR TAX DOLLARS visited on El
       Salvador. The Crusades, the Inquisition and ISIS butchery all
       amount to PEANUTS compared with the BUTCHERY in Latin America by
       OUR GOONS.
       When you are a person that walks the talk, like Raulito, it gets
       REAL HARD to pretend there IS NO GOOD AND NO EVIL EITHER as the
       core beliefs of monism require.  He fought ALL HIS LIFE to live
       his principles through good deeds and millions of dollars in
       funding nutrition programs for the poor, not just to FEED the
       poor, but to get them a job and/or some land to FEED THEMSELVES,
       freedom movements for the politically oppressed and the defense
       of the environment in places like Brazil where Mking's pals KILL
       people for defending the rainforest,
       Monism and Ethics
       [quote]In accounting for the origin of evil, a problem which,
       though it belongs to metaphysics, has important bearings on
       ethical questions, some philosophers have adopted a Dualistic
       doctrine and explained that good and evil originate from two
       distinct principles, the one supremely good, the other
       completely and absolutely evil.
       This was the doctrine of the ancient Persians, from whom it was
       borrowed by Manes, the founder of the Manichean sect.
       Opposed to this is the Monistic view, that God is indeed the
       cause of all that is good in the universe, and that evil is not
       to be assigned to any supreme cause distinct from God. Whatever
       explanation be given of the existence of evil in the world, it
       is maintained that a supreme principle of evil is utterly
       impossible and even inconceivable. [/quote]
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       Monism is magical thinking in a world where evil agency exists
       that is opposed to good, and MUST BE fought! Karpatok believes
       that spiritual warfare is magical thinking. I beg to differ. I
       engage in it RIGHT HERE (and other places  ;)). And I will die
       doing it because it is the most efficacious way to FIGHT EVIL,
       PERIOD.
       GO, believe it or not, I have a LOT more common ground with you
       than you are aware of. Thomas Jefferson said that if you have a
       government powerful enough to protect you from all enemies and
       provide for your every need, you also have a government powerful
       enough to TAKE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE AWAY FROM YOU.
       We are there.
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       THAT, as you have said often, is EVIL. I agree.
       #Post#: 2709--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: February 21, 2015, 4:26 pm
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       GO said, [quote]Of course Agelbert, We old time regulars know
       each other and our acts towell to get pissed at each other. Was
       just ribbing you.
       They say familiarity breeds contempt, but it is my observation
       the other is true.
       Still waiting for a dissertation on Global Warming, and it
       better be good, no BS or Charts. My ice blue testicles and over
       a grand in oil bills so far demand an explanation.  :icon_sunny:
       :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh:[/quote]
       GO,
       The extreme cold (and by the way, it's a LOT WORSE where I am
       than where you are or where RE is as well!) is a DIRECT
       consequence of GLOBAL WARMING.
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       If you will recall, we went through this subject last year
       around this time when I said 2014 promised to be hotter than
       hell (never been there but ya get the idea  ;D). You scoffed.
       2014 was the hottest year on record.
       Based on my track record of accuracy and integrity (see the
       numerous times I took Snowleopard to task for pushing fossil
       fueler mendacity and propaganda - something that always seemed
       to upset you for some reason.
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       />am going to explain to you what our FOSSIL FUEL OWNED GOVERNME
       NT
       is DOING to further f uck things up with their desperate attempt
       to put a DR. Strangelove Geo-engineered "heat shield" on the
       planet.
       This is a quote from a recent discussion with Eddie.
       QUOTE
       February 16, 2015, 01:00:38 PM
       Eddie,
       I believe geo engineering is quite advanced even though they
       (quote from our government "we will own the weather by 2025"
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       />don't "own" the weather yet. The reflective aluminum particles
       being sprayed routinely for over a decade now to keep our
       climate from over heating (see stretching the profits of fossil
       fuel oligarchs that OWN our government) are having several
       unexpected results.
       1) the temperature extreme ranges have increased in degree span
       and rapidity of switching from normal to extreme heat or extreme
       cold is killing wildlife.
       2) Vitamin D deficiency is now common in the USA when it was
       RARE just two decades ago. As a medical professional, you know
       that Vitamin D deficiency can lead to a plethora of deleterious
       health issues, including giving you lots of dental problems,
       never mind the weaker bones in growing children, early
       osteoporosis in adults and less immune system defense of several
       types of cancers.
       3) Allergic reactions to the new toxins in the air for thousands
       of different species, including Homo SAPs.
       4) There is a lot more but that has to do with government media
       and medical profession CORKING of the reporting of, medical
       recognition of and proper treatment of humans experiencing
       harmful side effects from this profit preserving scheme for
       fossil fuelers trying to prevent or/and delay global warming.
       Anecdotally, I have something to report that has me absolutely
       raging mad. The temperature is way too low for normal in
       Vermont. It's been that way for a couple of weeks. That long of
       a period with temperatures hovering just above or below zero
       (even in daylight) is NOT Vermont weather and, except for the
       little ice age centuries ago, never has been.
       Even when it gets real cold, the animals survive BECAUSE the
       longer sunlight period in late February and early March enables
       them to warm their nests in the day. But when you F UCK with the
       sunlight by putting reflective particles in the air, this VITAL
       buffer that enables animal life to make it to the spring is
       gone. This is a DEATH SENTENCE for much of Vermont wildlife that
       doesn't hibernate.
       Today I found an uninjured adult squirrel frozen to death. It
       was laying on our driveway. It's just another debt the MKing's
       of this world do not own up to with their profit over planet
       murderous irresponsibility.
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       UNQUOTE
       GO,
       YOU and I are experiencing this SH IT because of people like YOU
       KNOW WHO. No Vermont town has EVER publicly broadcast over the
       TV and radio that people MUST leave their faucets RUNNING at
       pencil width of water. Winooski (just south of Colchester and
       slightly LESS Norh Pole F ucking Cold than Colchester) is
       telling Vermonters to do this in order to avoid huge expenses in
       road and frozen pipe repairs UNRELATED to the frozen pipes in
       homes. CLEAN water is being WASTED because of this COLD.
       People's water bills will not be raised but YOU KNOW
       we-the-people will end up paying for it somehow! They want us to
       leave the faucets running THROUGH March!!! Water pipes in homes
       are bursting from here all the way to ATLANTA, Georgia!
       Do you think Mking and his pals are willing to foot the bill, or
       do you think, PERHAPS, that they will, ONCE AGAIN,
       disingenuously ask, "Uh, what happened to global Warming?".
       [font=times new roman]
       "A buen entendedor pocas palabras bastan" = You, as a keen
       listener, do not need a lot of words to figure this out.
       8)[/font]
       #Post#: 2718--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: February 22, 2015, 9:38 pm
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       Who Are the Good Guys  ???
       There is an easy way to tell if somebody is really one of the
       good guys who got famous. A whole lot more good people, just as
       good (or better), never had a following so we do not hear about
       them. The elite only notice GOOD people if they finger ELITE
       CRIME. That is how we-the-people end up learning about them.
       1) While they are alive, they are ridiculed, reviled, cursed and
       demonized for having spoken truth to power by pointing out elite
       crimes (defending the poor and downtrodden is NO PROBLEM as long
       as you don't finger the elites as the responsible party - there
       are a LOT of people who are NOT good guys that do just that as a
       front  :emthdown:) to the point of A) getting a following and B)
       being imprisoned and/or tortured.
       2) When they are dead they are celebrated.
       Martin Luther King Jr. was a good guy.
       [quote][font=times new roman]“We as a nation must undergo a
       radical revolution of values… when machines and computers,
       profit motives and property rights, are considered more
       important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism
       and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”
       -- Martin Luther King, Jr. April 4, 1967[/font][/quote]
       Gandhi was a good guy.
       Gandhi's Seven Sins:
       1. Wealth without work
       2. Pleasure without conscience
       3. Knowledge without character
       4. Commerce without morality
       5. Science without humanity
       6. Worship without sacrifice
       7. Politics without principle
       Confucious was a good guy.
       [quote]"Is not he a true philospher who, though he be
       unrecognized, cherishes no resentment?
       What you do not wish done to yourself, do not do to others.
       I will not grieve that others do not know me. I will grieve that
       I do not know others.
       Do not wish for quick results, nor look for small advantages.
       With coarse food to eat, water to drink, and my bended arm for a
       pillow, I still have joy in the midst of these things.
       Riches and honor acquired by unrightiousness mean no more to me
       than the floating clouds."
       Confucious (Kung Fu-tzu or Kung the Master) 551 B.C. - 479
       B.C.[/quote]
       #Post#: 2839--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: March 16, 2015, 2:10 pm
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       [center][font=arial black]Watching History As Desperate
       Neocon Empire America Dies[/font][/center]
       By Karl W. B. Schwarz  3-7-15
       
       SNIPPET 1:
       [quote]The acts that have fueled the western media propaganda,
       such as the Maidan snipers, the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk
       secession votes, and MH 17 were Neocon Agenda 201 and all have
       backfired in the Neocon’s face.
       So in desperation they now try to change the subject and the
       focus to the murder of Russia opposition leader Boris Nemtsov.
       My grandfather had an interesting way to define the word
       ludicrous as being “an ant walking up a female elephant’s rear
       leg with rape on its mind”.
       There are no suspects yet in the murder of Boris Nemtsov, yet
       the Western media is already painting the picture for their
       readers and viewers that Putin is entirely and unequivocally to
       blame, just like the Maidan snipers, Crimea, Donetsk and
       Lugansk, Russian invasions that have yet to happen, and the
       shooting down of Malaysia Air MH 17. Now lunatic Senator John
       McCain has stated that whoever did it, Putin is totally to
       blame. As many Americans know that is not the first time McCain
       has run off his mouth or has been an embarrassment to America.
       All evidence is to the contrary on what the Western media is
       publishing and providing as hype, conjecture, rhetoric and
       propaganda and when necessary, just bald faced lies like
       Victoria Nuland.
       The western media and DC have the ‘case solved’ from afar, with
       no more facts to support their rhetoric than other claims they
       have made towards Russia. They cannot put any evidence on the
       table for it does not exist; it is just TV media ‘vaporware’
       created by the Neocons and affiliated spin doctors.
       Such rhetoric and lies from the US and the media are part of the
       Neocon agenda towards Russia and any other nation on this planet
       that gets in the way and refuses to bow down to DC and the
       Neocon’s doctrine.
       I for one would be elated if Americans ever connect those dots
       in their mental fabric to recognize that conjecture is not fact,
       and assumptions and political spin are not facts, and neither
       are propaganda and hollow agenda driven rhetoric. And better,
       premeditated lies are not the Truth.
       When the Western media rushes to point a finger of blame in the
       complete absence of evidence (or is being covered up by
       governments as is the case on MH 17) it is almost always (+99%
       of the time) the media bullhorn to shout down any dissent , any
       questioning of what the facts really are and what the truth
       really is. Just accept the lies as the truth and go shopping,
       America. [/quote]
       SNIPPET 2:
       [quote]The lust to control both the CIS Caspian Basin and
       Russian energy might is what Wolfowitz was talking about in
       1992, and yes, Clinton as an unwilling Far Left Neocon played
       along to go after those assets so the USA would not have any
       rivals that have global power.
       They missed their flight, because China and Russia got it done
       anyway in spite of the Neocon Doctrine. That is why you are
       seeing this idiotic stirring up of tensions with Russia and
       using Ukraine and the rest of the EU states bordering with
       Russia as cannon fodder.
       I guess many Americans do not realize that after Mikhail
       Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan defused the threat of nuclear war
       between USA and USSR, then came Boris Yeltsin as president and
       Vladimir Putin was at that time the Prime Minister of the new
       Russia Federation.
       Some readers may know or remember the name Boris Berezovsky (23
       January 1946 ­ 23 March 2013). He was the front man in the
       Yeltsin regime for CIA, MI6 and US and UK elites that coveted
       the huge oil and natural gas reserves of the Caspian Basin
       region. That also relates to the Wolfowitz comment in Paul Craig
       Roberts article regarding “the former territory of the USSR”.
       When Putin ascended to his first presidency, Berezovsky fled to
       the UK because Putin was bringing charges of treason and
       financial crimes against him for throwing the doors open and
       lining his own pockets to let the West elites into the CIS
       region for natural resource plundering. Yeltsin was allowing the
       same within what is now the Russia Federation and Putin slammed
       that door shut. [/quote]
       SNIPPET 3:
       [quote]
       If anyone wanted into the CIS region, Berezovsky was the ‘go to
       guy’ to get that done.
       Former CENTCOM commander General Tommy Franks almost let the cat
       out of the bag when he and Rumsfeld were before Congress in
       early 2001 after Bush was sworn in. Franks admitted that one of
       the primary missions of his command was ‘the Afghanistan
       pipeline and access to the natural resources of the CIS region’,
       which is ‘territory of the former USSR’ as Wolfowitz explained
       the Neocon Doctrine. Neocon Donald Rumsfeld had to hurriedly
       change the subject because that was about 8 months before
       September 11, 2001. [/quote]
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       Agelbert NOTE: Anyone who fingers Putin as the "bad guy" has
       swallowed Neocon Agnotologist Propaganda hook, line and sinker.
       
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       #Post#: 2840--------------------------------------------------
       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: March 16, 2015, 5:10 pm
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       We will ALL regret a nuclear war with Russia.   :P
       The neocons want a nice nuclear war with Russia because the
       neocon demon-osophy loves war, destruction and mayhem. I'm sure
       certain economists would claim that would boost our GDP! LOL!
       But let us look on bright side.
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       Yep, there really
       is one! A nuclear winter will stop global warming and over
       population... And, of course, off grid "living" will become the
       norm! No more worries about big industries, fluoride in the
       water, geo-engineering pollution from aerosol sprays,
       consumerism, thimerosal containing vaccines causing autism in
       children, Wall Street bailouts or inflation.
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       Such fun times we live in.  :P
       The neocons are HELL SPAWN.
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       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: March 16, 2015, 5:18 pm
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       [center][font=arial black]NEOCON MENS REA MODUS
       OPERANDI[/font][/center]
       [quote]When George W. Bush came along and crossed the line of
       separation of church and state with his federal funding of
       ‘Faith Based Initiatives’ and gravitated and solidified the
       Christian bloc on the Far Right, the only possible response from
       the Far Left (Obama, his appointees, Hillary Clinton, John
       Kerry, et al) was to take on the masquerade of being Far Left /
       Right warmongering Zionist Christian Neocons, too.
       In case you missed this nuance, this was also when Bush
       unleashed the Christian Dominionista nutcases like Erik Prince
       and Blackwater USA to push the US Neocon agenda as private
       mercenaries. They loved that new concept because they do not
       have to discuss it with Congress at all.
       Get that picture straight in your head because now, both sides
       of the DC aisle, are trying to pull the US and Europe into a war
       with a nuclear superpower named Russia. And make no mistake in
       judgment, the new Russia Federation is not the USSR, they are
       not trying to reassemble the USSR, but this constant provocation
       by the US and NATO to its very borders has been called.
       Russia has recently announced that further harassment and threat
       to Russia via Ukraine will get a military response. I figure
       that would be over in about 5 to 10 days even with just
       conventional weapons. [/quote]
       [quote][size=12pt]Merely pens and contracts have defeated the
       Neocons mantra of ‘mightiest military in the world’, and most
       Americans already know what the costs have been in American
       blood and money wasted on a brain fart that the Neocons are
       solely responsible for creating. They are not as important to
       history as they think they are except for the idiotic policy
       directions they have promoted and pulled off, and then go hide
       under their desks as the blowback hits back home and the entire
       world knows they misjudged again.
       After the ‘GW Bush GWOT Disaster’ the Neocons felt they needed
       breathing room and rebranding. What we all knew as PNAC [Project
       for a New American Century] has now re-labeled itself FPI, or
       Foreign Policy Initiative. They did that quietly just like Erik
       Prince renamed Blackwater USA as “Xi” as if now the Chinese are
       pushing US mercenary and private military interventionism.
       [color=red]There has been a coup d'état in America and it was
       the Neocons on both sides of the aisle that pulled it off. They
       had the assistance of the MSM because those idiots were told to
       and then just rolled over and never asked the hard questions.
       They never bothered to perform their function to investigate,
       report and inform the public with the truth. Many times when
       Americans think they are hearing the news all they are listening
       to was an anchor reading to them on the teleprompter something
       that was written by the Neocons or their associates.
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       Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions 
       By: AGelbert Date: March 16, 2015, 9:03 pm
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       [quote author=Surly1 link=topic=559.msg70408#msg70408
       date=1426550368]
       [quote author=Eddie link=topic=559.msg70383#msg70383
       date=1426534866]
       I never said Putin was the bad guy, but anybody who thinks he's
       a particularly good guy is demented. He's the baddest of a bad
       bunch, former Soviet KGB, who more or less stole the assets of
       the dying soviet Empire and divvied them up amongst themselves,
       with the tacit consent of the West, at the time.
       He's a tough SOB oligarch who rules with an iron fist. Our
       oligarchs are stupid to fuck with him so hard. They're very apt
       to regret it, and maybe sooner rather than later.
       [/quote]
       Absolutely correct.
       [/quote]
       Eddie and Surly,
       And? I started the argument because I smelled some equivalence
       in the "smell the vodka" post  that IS NOT THERE (Eddie cleared
       that up, somewhat  ;)).  If you think it IS there, I
       respectfully disagree. Blood may be thicker than water, but OUR
       BEHAVIOR makes Putin's look like a Sunday school picnic!
       The SAME PEOPLE that CAUSED 9/11 WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. Those
       people ARE NOT RUSSIANS!
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       We've been down this road before. I know you guys are good guys
       and that YOU KNOW our country is one evil fucking piece of shit.
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