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War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: September 4, 2014, 8:06 pm
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: September 6, 2014, 5:33 pm
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The Islamic State, the Kurds and Generational War
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: September 6, 2014, 5:35 pm
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Russia has a deep-pocketed economic supporter that is also a
staunch US ally
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: September 7, 2014, 4:43 pm
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[center]Why Do Some Leading Atheists Abandon Reason and Get
Bloodthirsty About Mideast Terrorism? [/center]
[center]The data shows it's just wrong to blame religion for the
causes of terrorism.[/center]
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: September 7, 2014, 6:16 pm
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Ashvin,
I disagree with your view that there is some equivalent immoral
posture on the Palestinian side. There isn't. A son of an
Israeli General explains why below. The point I am making to
you, my friend, is to never relate Jewish Ashkenazi ethnicity
with the religion of Torah Jews. Ashkenazis, including most of
the ethnically Jewish neo-cons that run both the governments of
the U.S. and Israel, are either atheists or Reform Jews. Reform
Jews, as a childhood friend of mine explained, DO NOT have to
believe in God. They ARE expected to go to their Synagogue and
are STILL considered "Jewish". I went to their synagogue a
couple of times. I even saw a wedding once with crushing the
glass foot stomping fun once! They view Orthodox Jews like "way
out there" fundamentalist crazy uncles that must be looked after
because, after all, the aren't chopped liver! ANY claim to
Orthodoxy is BULLSHIT.
And some of that "Orthodoxy", by the way is Talmudic. The Talmud
is THE modern day version of GOTT MIT UNS that "justifies" doing
WHATEVER to get the real estate that "JAWEH/JEHOVAH or G_d as
many write it" promised "the chosen people". Talmudic
"orthodoxy is COUNTERFEIT orthodoxy that ALLOWS a RELIGIOUS OATH
to be taken to promise to LIE to non-Jews!
The Torah Jews have ALWAYS been AGAINST a Jewish state!
But never mind all that. I don't want to get into a long
discussion on the Torah and the ENORMEOUS differences and
IMMORALITY (according to the Torah) that the Talmud claims is
MORAL and HONORABLE and BLESSED behavior.
My point is that this is about ETHNICITY and a FAKE "religious"
justification for MIGHT IS RIGHT, PERIOD. Every thing you say
and know about radical Palestinian education and behavior is,
and always was, a powerless outlier FINANCED by war profiteering
PROVOCATEURS (NOT religious fanatics!), BLOWN UP in media
importance and PROVEN to be partly FINANCED by the Israelis in a
clever half a century and counting propaganda effort to
mendaciously give Palestinian BAD GUY EQUIVALENCE to the
GENOCIDE that Israel is waging. :emthdown: :emthdown:
:emthdown:
As a lawyer, you want to look at both sides of an issue. Fine.
Watch the video below. It is TOTALLY objective. NOTICE the date.
NOTICE that NOTHING has changed.
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[b]An Israeli General's son tells the TRUTH!
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I took the following screen shot and added some of the author's
statements to underline the fact that there is NO WAY people
should ever say, well, the Palestinians do this and that too!
The terrorists ARE the Israelis, PERIOD! It's time for decent
Jews to STOP defending State Sponsored Israeli Terrorism.
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Ashvin said [quote]As I said before, it doesn't make any sense
to me to only point out the immorality displayed by militant
Israelis and not also point out the immorality displayed by
militant Palestinians..[/quote]
Well, consider that IF the main provocateurs in this
expansionist "policy" are atheist ethnically (mostly) Reform
Jews totally divorced from religion and totally sold on Social
Darwinism, game theory and 'survival of the apex predator' as
the only "morality" that counts, the duplicity would certainly
involve using the RELIGION card to inflame the masses. :evil4:
So they do.
Without said provocation, do you seriously think that Arabs, who
have lived in relative peace there for hundreds of years (at
least), would, because the Israelis looked non-warlike, take the
war to them instead? I don't think so. Do you? If the
Palestinians won't get aggressive if left alone, how can you
ascribe equivalence?
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[quote] I know most people do not intend any sort of anti-Jewish
sentiment by doing this, but that seems to be the practical
psychological effect .[/quote]
That's precisely what I am asking you NOT to assume is an
unintentional effect
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WHY?
Because THAT is precisely what the game theory bastards that are
running this "It's a clash of civilizations -I.E. RELIGIONS-"
baloney are using to disarm Christians! It's the old "Israel is
merely DOING IT TO THE PALESTINIANS BEFORE THE PALESTINIANS DO
IT TO THEM" LIE. The practical psychological effect was
DELIBERATELY effected by the media mendacious and duplicitous
reporting as far back as 1967!
Ashvin, you KNOW how propaganda works. Your concern for an
"anti-Semitic" (Ashkenazis and MOST Israelis are NOT Semitic at
all!) backlash is exactly what the propagandists count on. Are
you afraid Christianity will be demonized along with Judaism?
Then WRITE about the ATHEISTS who are ethnically Jewish and
their neo-con pals that have ABSOLUTLY NO USE for the Ten
Commandments or a Supreme Being except as a propaganda tool. The
exact same thing can be said of a lot of nominal "Christians" as
well.
Thinking that telling it how it IS will open the door to a new
holocaust or/and possibly undermine Christianity is an emotional
response, brother. It's not logic based. We should VERBALLY
ATTACK, not defend, those who USE religion as a devious front
for war profiteering and genocide to muzzle those who fear a
backlash. That is what the Israeli General's son does. That's
what I do. That's what you should do too.
If you think a properly run media would not clear up that
mistaken idea that would spin off of telling the TRUTH about
Israeli "policy" ("DA JEWS DID IT SO LET'S GIT EM' ") based on
the FACTS on the GROUND in Israel, then it's because the
propagandists have beat us by conflating the power mad goons
running the mayhem with the Religion of Judaism. It's their
cover! Stop letting them use it by claiming the Palestinians are
equally at fault.
[font=times new roman]Proverbs 26:20 When there is no wood, the
fire is extinguished, and where there is no troublemaker, strife
ceases.[/font]
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: October 28, 2014, 9:36 pm
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Prima Facie Evidence :o >:(
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: October 28, 2014, 10:51 pm
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Published on Jan 13, 2012
Comment. This film was made by Dr Niels Harrit to document the
BBC interview he gave to the BBC as part their 2011 'Conspiracy
Files' series; which was basically an attempt to undermine the
9-11 truth movement.
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It goes without saying that when it was all edited & spliced
together Dr Harrit appeared to be simply another conspiracy nut
& the interviewer a reasonable investigative Journalist just
doing his job. This film however graphically shows the BBC in
their true light & how they really conduct themselves away from
public scrutiny.
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There are many comments on here of the opinion that the
interviewer; BBC Producer Michael Rudin is just some type of
incompetent or even ill-mannered BBC hack. It is my personal
belief that he is much worse than that. He is most likely is one
of many employed by the security services as agents working at
the BBC. The BBC is basically a propaganda tool for the state,
irrespective of what stripe of government is in power their
function is always to manipulate public opinion in order to
maintain the status quo.
Don't forget to pay the license fee & enjoy the brainwashing.
;D
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: October 29, 2014, 12:30 am
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[move][font=courier]Three weeks notice for a 36 hour power down
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: November 25, 2014, 2:20 pm
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CNN Edits Out RT Host’s Nasty (Agelbert note: but truthful!)
On-Air Dispute with Christiane Amanpour
by Andrew Kirell | 3:23 pm, November 24th, 2014
Russia’s state-funded cable news channel is taking aim at CNN
for inviting an RT host to discuss Kremlin politics but editing
out her fierce criticisms of the American cable outlet.
In the Know host Anissa Naouai appeared last week on Christiane
Amanpour‘s CNN International nightly talk show to defend her
network against accusations that it is part of Russian President
Vladimir Putin‘s “propaganda war.” The conversation apparently
took a drastic turn for the worse when the guest went after the
host’s personal connections to the U.S. Department of State.
Ultimately, Amanpour told Naouai, the most contentious bits were
unworthy of airtime and would certainly be edited out. In
response to the edits, RT posted video of its half of Naouai’s
satellite feed, showing her answers that were omitted from the
final product. CNN posted the full transcript to its website in
the interest of transparency; RT did the same.
To be clear: News outlets routinely edit pre-taped interviews —
normally for timing purposes, but also to cut down on
redundancies or rambling questions/answers — and so this is not
at all an ethical scandal. As a pre-taped show, Amanpour makes
its guests aware that they will be edited down for time. This
particular interview, as you’ll see in a moment, happened to go
very long.
But considering edits are a common practice in the news
business, this story provides a fascinating glimpse into how and
why words get left on the cutting room floor.
And when you compare the unedited clips to what actually aired
on CNN, you’ll notice RT is correct about one thing: Most of
Naouai’s direct criticism of the American network and its host
were edited out for broadcast. At one point in the unedited
transcript, Amanpour herself makes clear to Naouai that the
personal attacks render some of the footage unusable for TV.
The first tense moment removed entirely from broadcast occurred
when Amanpour suggested to the other guest, anti-Putin
politician Mikhail Kasyanov, that Naouai admitted RT perhaps
exaggerates the threat of neo-Nazism in Ukraine:
AMANPOUR: Is it more than exaggeration? And as such, is it a
fair interpretation of what’s going on and what are the
consequences?
KASYANOV: That’s not –
NAOUAI: I didn’t admit that it was an exaggeration. I said who
are we to say that it’s an exaggeration as non-Russians. 30
millions of them were killed in World War II. I said, “Who are
we to say it’s an exaggeration?” That’s what I said exactly.
AMANPOUR: No, you didn’t say that. You said they may – that
might be an exaggeration, but then who are we to say that fears
are exaggerated? I’ve got that on record. So don’t worry about
it. That’s going to be played.
NAOUAI: Yes, I didn’t admit that it was an exaggeration.
AMANPOUR: All right. But you actually did and I’ll play it and
you can dispute it afterwards if you like. But I will play it
and it’s not a problem. It’s what you said.
Later in the interview, Amanpour asked Nauouai about another
Russian channel’s error in covering the Malaysia Airlines Flight
17 tragedy. The entire passage was edited out, but you can sense
the conversation getting more strained as the RT host began to
rattle off examples of CNN’s own errors:
NAOUAI: I have to point out that I don’t represent the Russian
media, but RT. I know the image you’re talking about, of course.
It should be pointed out also that that image was on the
Internet for quite a couple of months – unfortunately this
channel took the bait. They didn’t verify it. We did, of course.
That’s why we didn’t show it. But to sort of condemn the First
Channel for mistakes that we’ve all make –- and I remember very
well Jim Clancy of CNN showing a video in Donetsk in May of this
year of a supposed helicopter being downed by these anti-Kiev
fighters. We went online; we checked the video. The video was
from Syria. We never even saw a retraction from CNN. So it’s a
little difficult to judge…
And the discussion truly went off the rails when Naouai brazenly
accused Amanpour of being a state propagandist herself.
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Check
out this bitingly personal exchange below, from right after the
host asked Naouai if it’s “healthy” for Russian audiences to get
only one view from RT. It gets ugly:
NAOUAI: …[I]t’s an absurd question coming from someone that’s
propagated the line of the State Department for over 15 years. I
mean, it’s absolutely absurd.
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AMANPOUR: Well, are you talking to me?
NAOUAI: Yes. Absolutely I’m talking to you. Who else would I be
talking to?
AMANPOUR: Are you talking to me?
NAOUAI: Absolutely.
AMANPOUR: You’ve got to be kidding me.
NAOUAI: You’ve propagated the line of the State Department for
over 15 years, starting with Yugoslavia and all the way into
Syria. And now you’re doing it for Ukraine, essentially.
Absolutely, I’m talking to you.
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AMANPOUR: Oh, my goodness.
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Have you seen any
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NAOUAI: I’ve seen lots of your reports and in not one report
where you find you questioning the United States government and
their policy. And we, with our Russian propaganda, question
those arms to the FSA, question those arms to al-Nusra and other
leagues. And now today we have ISIS.
Again, this was all removed from broadcast. According to
transcripts, Amanpour began scolding her guest for not having an
“adult discussion,” but Naouai simply responded that she’d like
for CNN’s audience to be made aware of their host’s background.
And that’s when the RT host invoked Amanpour’s husband, former
State Department official James Rubin:
AMANPOUR: They are aware of [my past work], which is why they’ve
been watching me for a long time. But listen to me, I would like
you seriously…
NAOUAI: I’m glad they do, and I’m sure they know who James Rubin
is, I’m sure they watch your work in Yugoslavia.
AMANPOUR: …as an act of research and as an act of education, go
back and find all my work on Yugoslavia and all my work on Syria
and match that with the policy of the United States government
and furthermore, go back and watch what launched me and that was
a to-and-fro with President Clinton challenging his policy on
Bosnia and Yugoslavia. So Anissa, listen, I have respected you
but I really don’t think that you should be doing this to me, of
all people, on this – on this broadcast and on this satellite
link. And you’re wrong. And I challenge you to go back…
NAOUAI: Yes, how dare someone tell CNN to check who their
sponsors are, what governments they are working with!
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AMANPOUR: No! No!
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NAOUAI: How dare someone come on CNN and say that! ;D
AMANPOUR: No! Hey, excuse me, no, no, no, you just said whatever
you wanted to say. When you become ad hominem to me, that’s a
problem, because you’re not doing it from a basis of knowledge.
NAOUAI: Well, let your viewers decide, Christiane. I think
that’s the fairest way out of this debate.
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Amanpour insisted that Naouai watch her antagonistic 1994
interview with then-President Clinton before making such
assertions, and informed her guest: “You can be sure I’m not
putting this on the air, Anissa. It’s a personal attack.”
Naouai said she is familiar with the interview and accused
Amanpour of agitating for war in Kosovo.
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The CNN host finally ended it on this note, including an
acknowledgement of the fact that she’ll have to provide a polite
goodbye for the edited version of the interview:
AMANPOUR: Anissa, come on; you’ve lost me, babe. Thank you very
much. Thank you very much indeed. I really appreciate it. I’m
sorry; I thought we could have an adult ::) discussion. And we
can’t.
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Thank you so
much. Alright. Now I have to pretend to thank you.
Watch the edited interview as it aired on CNN below (at link).
THEN watch the truth filled UNEDITED
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RT aired (at link):
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Agelbert NOTE: CNN is part of the USA fascist propaganda
machinery. Russia is no saint be they are spot on here.
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Re: War Provocations and Peace Actions
By: AGelbert Date: November 28, 2014, 7:04 pm
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Vladimir Putin: Traitor to the New World Order
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Vladimir Putin is NOT the enemy of Patriotic Americans.
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He is a burr in the saddle of the conscience free, cruel, war
profiteering and planet polluting elite here and ANYWHERE else.
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