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#Post#: 964--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power Structures in Human Society: Pros and Cons Part 1
By: guest17 Date: April 25, 2014, 10:39 pm
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[quote author=Surly1 link=topic=17.msg956#msg956
date=1398423114]
While I enjoyed Alan's post in re Kempf's book, I disagree with
what he says about DD. The current trend is that the DD is
gaining in Alexa rankings every week. It stands to reason that
your own traffic would benefit from association with something
being seen by more eyes every week.
[/quote]
Yes, Surly, I saw R.E.'s chest-beating about Alexa rankings. It
was amusing. He is all excited about going from being a guppy
to being a minnow. Get your Alexa ranking down to under 50,000,
or better under 25,000, and then you'll have something to beat
your chest about. Going from 300,000 to 200,000 (etc.) is
meaningless. You're still in the sea of minnows.
I'm not "anti-diner". I'm just amazed that you guys seem to
have squandered the opportunity to build a great community that
could help you GET those high alexa rankings. The very people
that you've systematically insulted, estranged and marginalized
are the ones, for the most part, that are the best brains, the
best writers, the ones with the best insight, etc.; i.e. the
ones that could really help build traffic. Too bad you could
not see that. The hell of it is: these people that you hate
(that you feel the need to censor, denounce as "trolls", shove
off the main forum, etc.) WERE WILLING TO WORK FOR FREE! What
a deal!
Yes, I know you have your side of the story, too. I know it has
been a mess, and unpleasant for you. But there is really no
excuse for "moderators" behaving as you guys have behaved toward
participants on this forum. Most of the [fecal matter] that you
got, you deserved. Maybe not all, but most. IMPIO. (In My
Partially-Informed Opinion. I did not read ALL the endless
litany of crap; only maybe 1/10th of it all. I think that was
enough to form an opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.)
So now that you've insulted, alienated and chased-away everyone
who was consistently putting up interesting content, what are
you going to do? Of what will the Diner consist? R.E.'s
podcasts? Neo-malthusian re-tread/re-prints from here and
there? If that is all, then the minnow status is all you
deserve, and all you will ever have. If you want more than that,
then you have to attract and build a vibrant
intellectual/conversational community of smart, interesting
people who post smart, interesting stuff. You can't insult
them, censor them (much), allow your sysop to spy or appear to
be spying on them, etc., etc. You have to behave respectfully,
in other words. Or if you cannot be respectful, at least learn
to FAKE respect. Copische?
"The secret to success in business is honesty and sincerity. If
you can fake those, you've got it made." -- Groucho
#Post#: 965--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power Structures in Human Society: Pros and Cons Part 1
By: Surly1 Date: April 26, 2014, 9:22 am
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Perhaps you are correct. But I doubt it.
The only person I denounced as a troll was MKing, who judging
from behavior and imputed objective clearly is. A competent oil
geologist with a penchant and financial incentive to coax
hydrocarbons from the earth, but otherwise morally
reprehensible. And I can back this up if you require.
No regrets whatsoever in re MKing.
As for the others who have left, it's a free country. But I miss
them. I visit this forum to partake of AG's immense insight in
re renewables, and to breath in his optimism at the possibility
that we might be able to envision and create a better future.
Not to spar about the Diner. If you want to bitch about DD, the
Antidiner forum has been created just for you. I have far too
much respect for AG than to pollute his forum with this sort of
comment in re a Form he left, so this will be my last on this
matter here.
As with Occupy, it is really easy to tear down what others
create through hard work and sustained effort.
But then every body is a critic.
#Post#: 973--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power Structures in Human Society: Pros and Cons Part 1
By: AGelbert Date: April 26, 2014, 6:05 pm
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100% Of Kids DID Share
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The organization Action Against Hunger wanted to know if
sharing is a natural instinct.
They conducted an experiment in Madrid, Spain to study human
behavior when faced with the injustice of hunger.
Of the 20 children under study, all 20 shared their food even
though as far as they knew, no one was watching.
When are the grown ups going to catch up?
--Bibi Farber
This video was produced by Action Against Hunger
- See more at:
HTML http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/inspiration-1/the-sharing-experiment.html#sthash.t5AjwJjd.dpuf
Forgive me Surly, but I do not see any way that the mindset
prevalent at the DD is anything but the exact reverse of the
above. All the work I did there for free was rewarded with WHAT?
I didn't ask for money but wasn't I entitled to RESPECT? WHERE
was RE when people started rattling my cage for NO REASON? WHY
didn't he treat the Golden Blasphemer the same way? WHY didn't
any of you listen to my valid statement that the LACK of
censorship constituted CENSORING (defaming, undermining my
message, etc.) my message? BECAUSE OF BIAS on RE's part for
PRO-DOOM "THERE IS NO HOPE" type people, PERIOD.
And YES, Surly, this has a LOT to do with the price of peaches
in Denmark (i.e. SHARING). The continual and very predatory and
sick meme that RE backs and Lucid tried to defend when I
criticized his willingness to kill people labeled "zombies" is
SERIOUS BUSINESS. It's a SERIOUS ERROR. It is NIHILISM
justifying WHATEVER so a FEW MIGHT LIVE for a better day. IT's
the MASTER RACE CRAP all over again. The DD is DEAD WRONG
pushing this Scarcity meme which wrongly justifies NOT SHARING
and a population cull. It's all addressed with a bit of polish
but it's WRONG MORALLY.
Do you remember Endisnigh? RE almost killed him with his
brainiac logic about the ASSURED collapse of civilization and
the biosphere. And RE DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT because RE has so
much UBERMENCH self delusion that he justifies ANYTHING he says,
no matter how coarse or insensitive, with "SURVIVAL OF THE
FITTEST" because HE thinks HE is the BE ALL, END ALL of HUMAN
EVOLUTION. "Hey, looky here, I went to Columbia and a read and
did math at 3 years old!" WTF do you think his message is, HUH?
Surly, when people lack humility they CANNOT LEARN; they cannot
even envisage themselves as being wrong. When they have a gifted
vocabulary like RE does, it can lead to megalomania. Get out of
there, Surly. RE and his mind set and followers are IMORAL
NIHILISTS. Their God is their STOMACH, PERIOD. Despite all the
BS about how bad greed is among the rich, the plethora of STUPID
"It's my pigman roots" jokes and talk about making money is way
too prevalent to make the complaints about the rich seem like
anything but envy.
Mark my words. You will observe the inertia of the DD go farther
towards intolerance of those who wish to share with those who
have nothing material to the point of labeling them useless
eaters, zombies or trash to be killed and composted. Consider me
hysterical if you wish. RE never offered me a NICKEL to stay,
despite your claim and Monsta's claim that I brought readers. I
KNOW MONEY is ALL IMPORTANT TO HIM despite his talk of a gift
economy (gifts for for him, that is). When somebody is as stuck
on money as he is, you can ONLY weigh their commitment to
ANYTHING by how much they are willing to invest. He wouldn't
invest a NICKEL in me because he really DID NOT like what I
wrote, period. His incredibly patient behavior towards the
epitome of hypocritical, blasphemous and greedy wealth worship
exemplified by Golden Oxen (Psalm 106:19-20 The people made a
calf at Mount Sinai; they bowed before an image made of gold.
They traded their glorious God for a statue of a grass-eating
bull.) PROVES that RE is ONE in the spirit with GO. To these
people, it's ALL HERE and it's ALL NOW. They will, as the
Scarlet O'Hara character from Gone with the Wind vowed, do
ANYTHING to keep their bellies full of food, a roof over their
heads and job security. I WON'T go against the will of God to
justify hurting people that have hurt me (and there are LOTS of
them!) just because they are destroying my future and the earth.
Surly, it has BEEN OVER for mankind since the fall! Christ gave
us hope. There IS NO OTHER HOPE. And J.C. can do whatever He
wants. Some dumb shit human like RE that wants to judge J.C.'s
behavior is worthy of disdain, no matter how entertaining and
florid his vocabulary. I know you don't agree but don't pretend
I didn't warn you as the UBERMENSCH at the DD go further towards
gleefully awaiting mad max and killing zombies. THEY DON'T DO
MORALITY at the DD. I CANNOT CONTINUE to be associated with the
irresponsible mind sets that DOMINATE there.
The enormous disrespect shown to Alan when he posted much
serious commentary on China is a small example of the DE FACTO
censorship that goes on day in and day out at the DD. My days of
being a punching bag at the DD are over. I might return someday
to copy all my articles and posts before deleting my presence
there. Right now I am busy.
#Post#: 981--------------------------------------------------
An Occupy founder says the next revolution will be rural
By: AGelbert Date: April 28, 2014, 2:20 pm
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Micah White
In a boarded-up hotel along a windy country road, a couple dozen
activists are gathered for a workshop. They are mostly women,
and mostly over 40. The workshop is being held by Micah White,
one of the instigators of Occupy Wall Street.
After the dust settled from Occupy, White packed up his bags in
the Bay Area and moved here to Nehalem, a small town in one of
the poorest counties in rural Oregon. Nehalem sits on the
Pacific Coast, in the shadows of popular vacation destination
Manzanita. But White isn’t here for a vacation, and he came to
town with a mission.
The demise of Occupy left everyone with one question: “Now
what?” Almost three years later, White is helping the founders
of Occupy, US Uncut, and others to launch The After Party, a new
political party on “a mission to restore democracy” and occupy
the ballot box in time for the 2016 elections. How? By
organizing statewide ballot initiatives, ousting corrupt
officials, and encouraging everyday people to run for local and
county offices.
Inspired by the success of Occupy Sandy organizing efforts, The
After Party also seeks to turn communities into self-sufficient
hotbeds of social action. White and the After Party team want to
create what they call “mutual aid flash mobs,” citizen
gatherings where people can do things like start a time bank,
plant urban gardens, fix local roads, organize free healthcare
clinics, and build tiny houses for the homeless. Nehalem,
population 267, will be a test lab.
[move]Could sleepy Nehalem, Or., be ground zero for the next
social change revolution? [/move]
White calls Occupy a “constructive failure.” Urban street
protests, he says, only have a life cycle of about a month
before their time is up. The encampments, the People’s Library,
and the spirit of the general assemblies are all fun and games
until everybody gets kicked out of the park. “It was magical
thinking,” he says. For White, Occupy Wall Street challenged the
core assumptions that activists have about how to achieve social
change. “We believed that people’s assemblies were enough to
gain political sovereignty. This turned out to not be true. To
gain political sovereignty we must win elections.”
Micah White says small towns like Nehalem are the best places to
seed a social change revolution.
Micah White says Nehalem is “all about resilience and
sustainability.”
White chose tiny Nehalem as his home base because, he says,
social change movements like Occupy are too focused on urban
environments: “I mean the urban areas, they coddle you and you
become this large, comfortable child-egg baby. One of the things
that’s nice about living here is that it’s terrifying to move
here. People hunt; they have guns. They have floods here where
you cannot leave for five days in a row. This place is all about
resilience and sustainability.”
Rural towns are where it’s at for White, “a clean slate” for
building real social change in places still reeling from the
economic and environmental impacts of exactly what people were
protesting during Occupy. Among his plans for Nehalem, White
wants to start a food bank for veterans, convert vacant
properties into housing for the elderly, and start a loyalty
card program that keeps local prices low for residents and high
for tourists.
And then there’s the boutique activism firm White’s started. The
idea is to train activists and galvanize support for causes
similar to online social and political movements like Avaaz.org
and Purpose.com. But the difference is, his new venture is
unabashedly for-profit. “Occupy Wall Street generated tremendous
money,” says White. “This whole idea that activists should do it
for free and all that bullshit is over. Like somehow I’m
supposed to be a full-time activist and have zero income from
it? It’s ridiculous.”
Ideally, though, he thinks everyday people can come up with
their own solutions for big problems like climate change and
access to local, healthy foods, not so-called experts.
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In Nehalem’s case, the locals already have a head start: The
town is home to an innovative recycling and reuse center called
CARTM, an off-grid farm, and a thriving farmers market, plus a
land trust for young farmers is in the works.
The region is also rich with resources like timber, which is
being trucked out every day by logging companies. Part of
White’s plan is to take back these resources and give them to
the people. “The people here are land rich and money poor,” says
White. “We’re actually sitting on value and money and natural
resources. We’re the rich ones.”
Amber Cortes is a Grist fellow, radio producer, and a digital
media grad student at the University of Washington . Follow her
on Twitter.
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#Post#: 992--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power Structures in Human Society: Pros and Cons Part 1
By: guest17 Date: April 29, 2014, 1:20 pm
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[quote author=AGelbert link=topic=17.msg973#msg973
date=1398553534]
youtube.com/watch?v=VUPzr2MGKMs&feature=player_embedded
The organization Action Against Hunger wanted to know if sharing
is a natural instinct.
They conducted an experiment in Madrid, Spain to study human
behavior when faced with the injustice of hunger.
Of the 20 children under study, all 20 shared their food even
though as far as they knew, no one was watching.
When are the grown ups going to catch up?
--Bibi Farber
This video was produced by Action Against Hunger
- See more at:
HTML http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/inspiration-1/the-sharing-experiment.html#sthash.t5AjwJjd.dpuf
Forgive me Surly, but I do not see any way that the mindset
prevalent at the DD is anything but the exact reverse of the
above. All the work I did there for free was rewarded with WHAT?
I didn't ask for money but wasn't I entitled to RESPECT? WHERE
was RE when people started rattling my cage for NO REASON? WHY
didn't he treat the Golden Blasphemer the same way? WHY didn't
any of you listen to my valid statement that the LACK of
censorship constituted CENSORING (defaming, undermining my
message, etc.) my message? BECAUSE OF BIAS on RE's part for
PRO-DOOM "THERE IS NO HOPE" type people, PERIOD.
And YES, Surly, this has a LOT to do with the price of peaches
in Denmark (i.e. SHARING). The continual and very predatory and
sick meme that RE backs and Lucid tried to defend when I
criticized his willingness to kill people labeled "zombies" is
SERIOUS BUSINESS. It's a SERIOUS ERROR. It is NIHILISM
justifying WHATEVER so a FEW MIGHT LIVE for a better day. IT's
the MASTER RACE CRAP all over again. The DD is DEAD WRONG
pushing this Scarcity meme which wrongly justifies NOT SHARING
and a population cull. It's all addressed with a bit of polish
but it's WRONG MORALLY.
Do you remember Endisnigh? RE almost killed him with his
brainiac logic about the ASSURED collapse of civilization and
the biosphere. And RE DOES NOT GIVE A **** because RE has so
much UBERMENCH self delusion that he justifies ANYTHING he says,
no matter how coarse or insensitive, with "SURVIVAL OF THE
FITTEST" because HE thinks HE is the BE ALL, END ALL of HUMAN
EVOLUTION. "Hey, looky here, I went to Columbia and a read and
did math at 3 years old!" WTF do you think his message is, HUH?
Surly, when people lack humility they CANNOT LEARN; they cannot
even envisage themselves as being wrong. When they have a gifted
vocabulary like RE does, it can lead to megalomania. Get out of
there, Surly. RE and his mind set and followers are IMORAL
NIHILISTS. Their God is their STOMACH, PERIOD. Despite all the
BS about how bad greed is among the rich, the plethora of STUPID
"It's my pigman roots" jokes and talk about making money is way
too prevalent to make the complaints about the rich seem like
anything but envy.
Mark my words. You will observe the inertia of the DD go farther
towards intolerance of those who wish to share with those who
have nothing material to the point of labeling them useless
eaters, zombies or trash to be killed and composted. Consider me
hysterical if you wish. RE never offered me a NICKEL to stay,
despite your claim and Monsta's claim that I brought readers. I
KNOW MONEY is ALL IMPORTANT TO HIM despite his talk of a gift
economy (gifts for for him, that is). When somebody is as stuck
on money as he is, you can ONLY weigh their commitment to
ANYTHING by how much they are willing to invest. He wouldn't
invest a NICKEL in me because he really DID NOT like what I
wrote, period. His incredibly patient behavior towards the
epitome of hypocritical, blasphemous and greedy wealth worship
exemplified by Golden Oxen (Psalm 106:19-20 The people made a
calf at Mount Sinai; they bowed before an image made of gold.
They traded their glorious God for a statue of a grass-eating
bull.) PROVES that RE is ONE in the spirit with GO. To these
people, it's ALL HERE and it's ALL NOW. They will, as the
Scarlet O'Hara character from Gone with the Wind vowed, do
ANYTHING to keep their bellies full of food, a roof over their
heads and job security. I WON'T go against the will of God to
justify hurting people that have hurt me (and there are LOTS of
them!) just because they are destroying my future and the earth.
Surly, it has BEEN OVER for mankind since the fall! Christ gave
us hope. There IS NO OTHER HOPE. And J.C. can do whatever He
wants. Some dumb **** human like RE that wants to judge J.C.'s
behavior is worthy of disdain, no matter how entertaining and
florid his vocabulary. I know you don't agree but don't pretend
I didn't warn you as the UBERMENSCH at the DD go further towards
gleefully awaiting mad max and killing zombies. THEY DON'T DO
MORALITY at the DD. I CANNOT CONTINUE to be associated with the
irresponsible mind sets that DOMINATE there.
The enormous disrespect shown to Alan when he posted much
serious commentary on China is a small example of the DE FACTO
censorship that goes on day in and day out at the DD. My days of
being a punching bag at the DD are over. I might return someday
to copy all my articles and posts before deleting my presence
there. Right now I am busy.
[/quote]
WHEW what a great post!
I hereby volunteer for the position of Chief Choir-Boy and
Bottle-Washer at the First Church of Agelbert, wherever it is.
No pay required. My pleasure.
"NIHILISM justifying WHATEVER so a FEW MIGHT LIVE for a better
day. IT's the MASTER RACE CRAP all over again."
Yep, yep, yep. Bad stuff. The only reason I don't get more
exercised about it is that it seems (SEEMS) that this nihilism
and elitist crap is embraced by such a vanishingly-small number
of people that it does not make much difference in the big
scheme. But again: seems. I might be wrong about that. I
recently asked, in a post on the diner to Uncle Bob, about the
empirical basis of claims having to do with society's prevailing
memes or paradigms. How do we know? As I said there, this is an
empirical question. Maybe the nihilism runs deeper than I'm now
acknowledging. Maybe it requires serious attention, and
opposition. I don't know. I'll look into it.
Regarding this: "the hypocritical, blasphemous and greedy wealth
worship exemplified by Golden Oxen". I don't know G.O. very
well. I've read a few score of his posts, but I did not pick up
blasphemy or wealth WORSHIP. The guy is obviously a gold bug,
and is concerned about preserving his wealth -- but that's not
bad of itself, IMO. We all have to make our way in the world and
pay our bills, and there are real risks upcoming. There are much
worse things than being a goldbug and wanting to pay one's
bills. So, what is it that leads you to conclude that G.O. is
such a hypocrite and greedy bastard?
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Re: Power Structures in Human Society: Pros and Cons Part 1
By: AGelbert Date: April 29, 2014, 10:44 pm
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His God is not gold; it's his stomach. If you don't see a
problem with that then you are in the same "Caloric intake is
IT" boat as RE. I'm not there. All the blah blah blah from GO
about "Christianity" is hypocrisy (the compliment that vice pays
to virtue).
Alan, humans are dynamic entities with spiritual inertia. People
who are other directed and respect their fellow humans get
better at it with time and more comfortable with it (I.E. the
good get better). But those, like GO, that choose to put their
interests before anyone else's and seek constant fulfillment in
collector's items and fine arts instead of improving society,
get WORSE with time. I'll don't wish GO any harm but I'll never
be silent about his "I've got my greed under control" BS.
Every PENNY of profit that goes to a greedy person undermines
the quality of life of everyone else. Don't believe me? Rewind
the clock and DON'T give land away to the railroads and oil
prospecting companies. Don't give them subsidies (give aways).
DON'T allow he government to get co-opted into taxing fossil
fuels we use so the addiction and transfer of power to a few
energy oligarchs DOESN'T take place and we would have a
different world.
It was ALWAYS about greed, not "progress" or "energy" or a
"better world". We have REGRESSED, regardless of medical and
technological advances. The quality of the planetary air and the
average visibility SUCKS compared to a mere 50 years ago. That
is NOT progress, Alan.
I know you refuse to bind morality with human activity. I cannot
believe mankind can progress without developing spiritually and
having a strong conscience for all things that live. Yes,
technology is important and we need it, as long as we don't KILL
LIFE to get it. WHY? Because, no matter how advanced
technologically and culturally a society is (see Germany 1933),
lack of morality will turn them into monsters.
#Post#: 1009--------------------------------------------------
You had to know this was coming
By: AGelbert Date: April 30, 2014, 3:28 pm
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The 1% "disproves" Piketty's book about Capital
by
gjohnsitFollow .
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When Thomas Piketty's book about capital and inequality became
a best-seller the shills for the 1% recognized the danger.
The soft Marxism in Capital, if unchallenged, will spread among
the clerisy and reshape the political economic landscape on
which all future policy battles will be waged. We’ve seen this
movie before.
So in the same spirit that brought us physician tested and
approved cigarettes, I present to you the official response from
the "serious" economists of the 1%. .
[quote]The Boston University economist Christophe Chamley and
the Stanford economist Kenneth Judd came up independently with
what we might call the Chamley-Judd Redistribution Impossibility
Theorem: Any tax on capital is a bad idea in the long run, and
that the overwhelming effect of a capital tax is to lower wages.
A capital tax is such a bad idea that even if workers and
capitalists really were two entirely separate groups of
people—if workers could only eat their wages and capitalists
just lived off of their interest like a bunch of
trust-funders—it would still be impossible to permanently tax
capitalists, hand the tax revenues to workers, and make the
workers better off.
And the thing about this is that it’s a rather well known
finding too. Which is why optimal taxation theory insists that
the correct rate of taxation of returns to capital is zero.
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That's what "real" economists know for a "fact". :P
The article goes on to tell us that the only possible reason
why anyone would want to tax capital, earned or unearned, is for
reasons of jealousy. It's all science.
Right.
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Jefferson cited Adam Smith, the hero of free market capitalists
everywhere, as the source of his conviction that (as Smith
wrote, and Jefferson closely echoed in his own words), "A power
to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth
and the fulness of it belongs to every generation, and the
preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity.
Such extension of property is quite unnatural." Smith said:
"There is no point more difficult to account for than the right
we conceive men to have to dispose of their goods after death."
'Ol Crazy Thomas Jefferson and Nutzo Adam Smith. What
conservative economist would ever listen to them, right? Or
Herbert Hoover or Teddy Roosevelt.
Marxist wackos wanting to tax wealth and redistribute it
like Piketty and John Maynard Keynes.
It reminds me of something I was reading about the other day.
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Back in the 1830's in England, some people wanted to reform the
factories there. It seems they were disturbed by 9-year old
children working 12 hours a day around dangerous machinery.
So without consulting any serious economist ;) they passed
the first of the Factory Acts. This law, which can only be
considered as "socialism" had various elements, such as:
* Children (ages 14–18) must not work more than 12 hours a day
with an hour lunch break. Note that this enabled employers to
run two 'shifts' of child labour each working day in order to
employ their adult male workers for longer.
* Children (ages 9–13) must not work more than 8 hours with an
hour lunch break.
* Children (ages 9–13) must have two hours of education per
day.
* Outlawed the employment of children under 9 in the textile
industry.
* Children under 18 must not work at night.
Well the Cotton Manufacturers were not going to stand for
this!
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So they hired
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a
"serious" Oxford economist called Nassau William Senior, who
like the economists of the 1% today, was very well respected by
his peers. Together with the Manchester cotton tycoons,
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they wrote a letter to
the President of the Board of Trade.
Mr. SENIOR then enters into an analysis, from which it appears
that the whole net profit is derived from the work done in the
last hour. If the factory could be kept at work an hour and a
half longer, the net profit would be doubled ; if the time were
reduced one hour per day, net profit would be destroyed ; and if
it were reduced an hour and a half, even gross profit would
go.
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You see. It's simple economics.
If we don't work our children by at least 12 hours a day
then the mills will be unprofitable and they will all shut down.
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Any plan, therefore, which should reduce the present
comparatively short hours, must either destroy profit, or reduce
Wage
The "comparatively short hours" of 11 hour days for 12 year old
children is an iron-clad law of economics. It can never change.
Just like taxing capital on any level will reduce wages.
Professor Senior had a few other opinions he liked to share as
well:
[The Irish Famine] "would not kill more than one million people,
and that would scarcely be enough to do any good."
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- Nassau William Senior
It all reminds me of how famous, respected, and loved by the
right-wing, economist Alan Greenspan somehow failed to predict
the collapse of Lincoln Savings and Loan in 1989, and then
failed to predict the failure of Wall Street in 2008. Both times
it was "impossible to predict".
In between those two events "serious" economists waited on
his every word as he explained that businesses didn't need to be
regulated because they were self-regulating. It's an
iron-clad
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simply aren't smart enough.
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Originally posted to gjohnsit on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 06:24 PM
PDT.
Also republished by Anti-Capitalist Chat.
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Re: Power Structures in Human Society: Pros and Cons Part 1
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Agelbert NOTE: This sounds great. My concern is that, because
she has NEVER called out Israel for their heinous practices, she
is being groomed to split the vote from a GENUINE progressive
(Senator Bernie Sanders who is Jewish, by the way) who DOES want
to put Israel on a tight leash and DOES NOT approve of war
politics. It's an old DIRTY, UNDEMOCRATIC trick.
That said, IF Bernie Sanders runs for president with E.W. as his
VP, there would be NO SPLIT of the progressive, NO WARS FOR OIL,
NO MORE SUBSIDIES FOR BIG OIL AND COAL, full speed ahead for the
renewable energy transition. 8) We shall see.
The CIA budget (the one we know about...) has grown 56% since
2004. It is a VERY bad sign that E.W. does not address this in
her populist rhetoric. Bernie Sanders DOES address the runaway
spending on intelligence alphabet agencies and the pentagon as
THREATS to democracy. Well, we know we don't have one. At least
Bernie is now coming right out and saying this country is run by
an Oligarchy. E.W. isn't doing that... :P
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Power Structures in Human Society
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The Globalization of Special Forces
By: AGelbert Date: May 23, 2014, 2:37 pm
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"The art of war"
The Globalization of Special Forces
by Manlio Dinucci
Special Forces have been designed to use military means to
conduct unconventional warfare operations, mainly to cause riots
and murder political opponents. :( :P Washington already
secretly used them in 78 countries, while denying the very
existence of their missions, although their budget exceeds 10
billion dollars annually. >:( The globalization of these forces
should enable it to expand its invisible dictatorship.
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