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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: December 10, 2014, 6:43 pm
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Tutankhamun's Fireball :o
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: December 14, 2014, 5:01 pm
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Spunky presentation by a Scientist
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: January 22, 2015, 11:57 pm
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Roswell was that [b]ONE TIME that the USAF told the truth for
about 24 hours. Then they went back to the usual mendacity and
cover up. :P[/b]
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: January 23, 2015, 12:12 am
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Unidentified Submerged Objects (U.S.O.s)
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: January 23, 2015, 1:01 am
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Dr. Edgar Mitchell, former astronaut, talks about the reality
of ETs observing humans. :o
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: January 30, 2015, 6:53 pm
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Here's something for you to ponder:
Wrong Brothers at Kitty Hawk to Mach 1: 1903 to 1955
Mach 1 to a space station along with a few Newtonian physics
sling shot maneuvers to send probes hither and yon: 1955-2015...
I DON'T THINK SO. WHERE do you get the idea that technological
progress SLOWED DOWN after Mach 1? I think it didn't "slow
down". I think is ACCELERATED. But fossil duel profits had to be
preserved. It's REALLY that simple, JD.
People here talk about how the elite are going to off the
"useless eaters" with all kinds of devilish plans. ::) RE is
RIGHT to claim we don't DO separate biospheres well.
They tried that in a Mars Colony setup right here on earth. ALL
the atmosphere, water, soil, plants, people and so on were self
contained in large concrete and glass building.
But they forgot to figure in the fact that fresh concrete
absorbs a lot oxygen (concrete cures for DECADES after it first
sets, absorbing oxygen at lesser and lesser rates as it cures).
Guess what happened to the scientists in the Mars colony biome?
Remember, these are dedicated, brilliant individuals.
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They began to have
arguments. They formed cliques and began increasingly hostile
exchanges and hate filled and hysterical arguments and
accusations. To avoid violence the experiment had to be aborted
for a brief period.
As soon as the scientists exited the biome, they immediately
recovered their civilized demeanor and were thoroughly chagrined
by their video taped descent into sniping and false accusations
of research sabotaging.
THEN they found that the oxygen level when the paranoia and
sniping began had dropped below 18% because the concrete was
sucking it up. The plants could not keep up. People were NOT
getting headaches like typical anoxia victims get that would
have warned them. No the instrumentation in the biome DID NOT
register dangerous oxygen levels for some reason - it's in the
article - they fixed it (I've been there as a pilot - When
you've got a headache and you are above 10,000 feet without on
board oxygen, you KNOW why and you descend).
So, it is EASY to turn us into a bunch a even more barbaric and
insane bastards than we are RIGHT NOW! :o I can take every
single person here and have them ready to go to war with anybody
else over imagined paranoia by simply lowering the oxygen from
the normal (about 21%) to 18% or lower (without telling them
about it, OF COURSE :evil4:). They won't notice! They'll just
turn into savages and eventually start murdering each other!
So the "elite" doesn't need to gas us with hydrogen sulfide or
any other expensive plan. ALL THEY NEED TO DO is keep burning
those fossil fuels full tilt while reducing the photosynthetic
phytoplankton and flora through heated oceans and
desertification. It's SIMPLE! :evil4: It's also a GREAT
BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY!
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When word gets out that, unfortunately
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make a LOT OF MONEY selling bottled oxygen.
[quote]
OSHA defines as oxygen deficient any atmosphere that contains
less than 19.5 percent. [/quote]
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I'll dig up the article if you want. It's all DOCUMENTED. This
is not hyperbole or scare mongering. Our intelligence, morality
and civilized demeanor vanishes when we go below around 18%
oxygen in the air we breathe, period. I suppose our body senses
something isn't right and our brain proceeds to look for someone
to blame for it. And that's with oxygen. There are other QUITE
COMMON atmospheric gasses than bring about all sorts of
"interesting" (depending upon your point of view) responses from
Homo SAPS. We are VERY fragile.
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: February 5, 2015, 12:10 am
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UFOs and DEACTIVATED MISSLES: The TRUTH and the LIES told about
those who told the TRUTH
[font=times new roman]Gentlemen of the jury,[/font] we are faced
with the hearsay testimony of James Carlson through his father
Eric Carlson versus the testimony of:
2)Dr. Patrick McDonough
1) Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson
2) Former Captain Robert Salas
3)A former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison
and
4) Col. Walter Figel.
[quote]Eric Carlson was one of two missile launch officers who
were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when
all 10 of their ICBMs shut down.
While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a
UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired
Col. Walter Figel, has told me (Hastings), and Salas, that he
received a report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of
the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly
before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified
that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the
presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape
and one may listen to them via links in my article “The
Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.
Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of
events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the
missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering
and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has
further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the
story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at
Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time,
retired Col. Fred Meiwald, [size=12pt]has verified its
reality.[/size]
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The following is actual e-mail correspondence from Ray Fowler to
James Carlson. After the posted correspondence you will find a
Hastings comment that Ashvin will, no doubt, claim is evidence
of bias (Read the main post by Hastings requesting info that I
am posting beneath the correspondence to see that Hastings is
not being biased or defamatory. )
This exchange was posted in UFO Magazine so Ashvin will claim it
is not credible. Nevertheless, the e-mail rebuttal is factual
evidence. Carlson has not been able to counter Fowler's
assertions and accusations of deliberate falsehoods by Carlson
on the notes Fowler himself sent to Carlson in DEFENSE of
Salas's claims.
[quote]
Rebuttal to Carlson from Ray Fowler:
James Carlson wrote: "Thanks to Raymond Fowler sending me all of
his notes on the subject, going back to 1967 and including his
correspondence to Salas in 1996, you can rest assured that I
will prove that you and Salas are lying, and have been doing so
for years."
Ray Fowler responds:
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Subject: James Carlson re: Ray Fowler’s notes on Minuteman
shutdowns during UFO presence
From: "Raymond Fowler" <rfowler400@null>
Date: Sat, October 23, 2010 7:32 pm
To: lesleyinnm@gmail.com
"Bob Hastings" <hastings@kitcarson.net>
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Hi,
I was recently sent something that James Carlson [posted on]
your blog regarding some notes that I sent him to straighten him
out re: his calling Salas a liar. I felt that I should respond.
I was under the strong impression that my notes defused
Carlson's argument and attack on Bob Hastings. [The notes] read
that because of my work on Minuteman, I had contact with
contractors and subcontractors at Malmstrom who told me that
Echo Flight had been shut down while a UFO was overhead.
They also mention that other UFO events were taking place
on-site and that I had conversations with two ICBM officers
[who] told me that their Launch Control Facility was affected by
UFOs over the site. One event at Minot involved interruption of
LCF equipment. The UFO was tracked on radar, it appeared to land
and strike teams radio's were affected when they approached it.
Jets were scrambled but could not catch the UFO. Dr. Hynek wrote
about this event in the Saturday Evening Post and he had access
to the USAF report. The ICBM officer that co-manned the Launch
Control Facility visited Sylvania and when I was introduced to
him by our contracts manager, the manager joked that I was
interested in UFOs. The ICBM Officer said that UFOs were not a
joke and proceed to tell us about the event above. The other
ICBM officer had retired from the USAF and joined Sylvania. He
found out that I was interested in UFOs and proceed to tell me
that his Flight of Missiles went down sometime in 1966 when a
UFO was overhead.
The other notes show that Salas had made an honest mistake by
stating earlier that he was in Echo Flight during its shutdown.
He assumed this because he years later read about my notes and
concluded that this was the flight that he manned. Later, as you
read the notes, Salas made enquires to others who were on base
and found that he was in another flight that had gone down. It
was an honest mistake.
I told Carlson that when I worked for the USAF/NSA, monitoring
the Russians, that a number of memorable events happened but
because of the distance of time, I could not remember who I was
working with or what shift I was working, etc. Carlson calls
Salas a liar because of a memory lapse which he later corrected.
I think that Carlson protests too much and for some reason
unknown to me is going out of the way to debunk UFOs no matter
what the evidence. I corresponded with him for awhile but gave
up in frustration because of his highly emotional responses and
his unfairly calling Salas [a liar]. I think my notes have
struck some kind of a emotional chord with him to come on so
strong on the UFO Magazine Blog. I would like to see how he
could prove Salas a liar by using my notes. I am convinced that
any objective person reading them could never come to such a
conclusion.
Best,
Ray Fowler
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From Robert Hastings...
This is classic James T. Carlson. Fowler tells him "White" but
James hears "Black." In James' world, up is down, left is right,
and the sky is green not blue. But rather than seeking
professional help, James goes on twisting facts with his twisted
mind, and libels anyone who doesn't buy into his fantasies.
Robert Hastings [/quote]
[b]Now for the lead post from Hastings that led to the
information posted by Fowler debunking Carlson's mendacity:
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[quote][size=12pt]The James T. Carlson Problem
Robert Hastings Requests Your Assistance
By Robert Hastings www.ufohastings.com
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Over the past 37 years I have interviewed more than 120 former
or retired U.S. military personnel regarding their knowledge of
UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era.
On September 27, 2010, seven of those individuals participated
in a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington
D.C. to discuss their personal experiences in such cases. The
event was streamed live by CNN and thousands of articles and
broadcast news stories—the great majority of them accurate and
objective—have been generated worldwide over the past month.
Four of the press conference participants discussed UFO activity
at Malmstrom AFB’s ICBM sites in 1966-67: Dr. Patrick
McDonough revealed that one night, while working as an Air Force
geodetic surveyor at a not-yet activated missile site, a
disc-shaped UFO had raced in and briefly hovered, silently, some
300-feet above his head.
Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson, the Officer-in-Charge of the
28th Air Division’s Communications Center at Malmstrom in 1967,
told of reading a secret message about a UFO hovering over a
missile site just before it and nine other ICBMs mysteriously
malfunctioned.
Former Captain Robert Salas, a missile launch officer at
Malmstrom, spoke of being on alert at a 10-missile group
designated Oscar Flight, probably on March 24, 1967, when his
missiles failed—moments after his head security guard had called
the launch capsule to report a glowing oval-shaped object
hovering over the Launch Control Facility. Salas has publicly
spoken about this incident since 1995 and was the co-sponsor of
the press conference.
Finally, a former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert
Jamison, spoke of being involved in the re-start (retargeting)
of the Oscar Flight missiles. Jamison said that all of the
targeting teams involved in the action were briefed before going
to the missile sites and were explicitly told that UFOs had been
involved in the ICBM shutdowns. All of these individuals spoke
out because they believe, as do I, that the U.S. government
needs to be candid with the American people, and humans
everywhere, about the reality of the UFO phenomenon and, in
particular, the UFO-Nukes Connection.
Now, although these courageous individuals have come forward and
divulged their involvement in still-classified incidents, in the
hope of raising public awareness, a UFO debunker named James T.
Carlson has been posting countless items online over the past
two years, calling these veterans (and others who were involved
in the missile shutdown incidents) liars, or worse. In
particular, Bob Salas and I have been singled-out for his wrath.
Carlson’s father, Eric Carlson, was one of two missile launch
officers who were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March
16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down.
While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a
UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired
Col. Walter Figel, has told me, and Salas, that he received a
report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of the missile
sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other
nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other
security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the
UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may
listen to them via links in my article “The Echo/Oscar Witch
Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.
Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of
events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the
missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering
and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has
further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the
story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at
Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time,
retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.
In any case, the time has come for me to take inventory, in
preparation for a possible legal action: While I am aware of
numerous posts by James Carlson about all of this—on blogs at
several websites—I’m certain that I’ve missed many more, given
that they run into the hundreds at this point. So, I am seeking
the reader’s assistance:
I am asking that persons who want to the truth about the
incidents at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 to be established—once and
for all—to scour the Internet and locate posts in which Carlson
has referred to me (or Bob Salas) as a “fraud”, a “liar” a
“hoaxer” or similar defamatory terms. I am also interested in
posts where James claims that he has “proved” that Mr. Salas and
I have misrepresented the facts.
Those willing to assist me in this regard should send me links
to the offending posts via ufohastings@aol.com. Thank you.
Robert Hastings
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Is James Carlson a credible debunker of the testimony of all the
persons above, including Salas ?
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: February 18, 2015, 11:17 pm
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[center][i]The OTHERS[/i][/center]
The NAZIs knew about them.
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[quote]Notes on Hermann Oberth
SPACE PIONEER HERMAN OBERTH WAS VON BRAUN MENTOR
Space pioneer Hermann Oberth, was considered by many to be the
most famous mentor of the late Dr. Wernher von Braun, the first
director of the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville,
Alabama.
"On the German side, I have to mention before all Professor
Hermann Oberth who offered the world new basic concepts in the
field of rocket technology," Von Braun wrote in 1959.
Oberth was born in Hermannstadt, Transylvania, the son of Dr.
Julius Oberth, a physician. He attended schools at Schaessburg,
Transylvania, until he was ready to enter the University of
Munchen in 1913. He later became a professor of mathematics and
physics.
In the spring of 1930, a young Wernher von Braun enrolled at the
Berlin Institute of Technology and in his spare time assisted
Oberth in his early experiments in testing a liquid-fueled
rocket stage with about 15 pounds of thrust.
In September 1930, Oberth returned to a teaching post in Romania
while von Braun continued experiments under the sponsorship of
the German Society for Space Travel. [/quote]
Fast Forward to Peenemuende:
[quote]Oberth rejoined Von Braun and his team of scientists
working on rockets at Peenemuende during World War II. [/quote]
There is evidence he was NOT just researching rocket propulsion
in Germany with Von Braun and the other German scientists at
Peenemuende. That evidence consists of patents for rather
circular looking flying machines by German Corporations. BMW was
one of those corporations. They probably didn't work too well.
Sure, the NAZIs experimented with all kinds of stuff that didn't
work. In NAZI Germany, just like here >:(, there was always
money for new and improved war machines. :( But that's not the
point. The point is that they HAD PHOTOGRAPHS of flying disks
and took seriously the eye witness accounts to such a degree
that they DID try to duplicate the soundless, rapid movement
this way and that, propulsion technology of these machines
obviously not produced by human technology.
[quote]After the war, his research continued, and for a time he
was engaged in rocket research for the Italian navy.
In 1955, he was invited to rejoin the rocket team. This time,
Oberth came to Huntsville where he pursued rocket studies in the
Technical Feasibility Studies Office of the U. S. Army Ordnance
Missile Laboratories. In 1956, he transferred to the Army
Ballistic Missile Agency as chief of Special Fields in the
Research Projects Office. He resigned from U. S. government
service in November 1958 and returned to Germany.
Von Braun later claimed that Oberth's book, "A Rocket to the
Interplanetary Space," which was published in 1923, gave "proof
that it was possible to travel to other planets by means of
liquid propellant rockets." [/quote]
Quite a bit happened after 1923 to expand Oberth's knowledge
about HOW we could get there from here. Since the above quote is
from NASA, it's just like them to pretend rocket propulsion
was/is IT for Oberth, Von Braun and the USA.
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Oberth
AND Von Braun were keenely aware of the (not very successful -
they did lose the war, after all) attempts to produce an
electro-gravitic propulsion flying disk in Germany during WWII
and in the USA (perhaps a tad more successful ;D) after 1947.
More on that after the rest of Oberth's distinguished biography.
[quote]Oberth, who visited the Marshall Center as recently as
1985, is also remembered by others in Huntsville. Bill Snoddy,
now retired from the Marshall Center, went to work for the Army
in Huntsville in 1958. Snoddy recalls that crowded conditions
meant that many new employees ended up with their desks in the
hallway of Bldg. 4484. "My desk was outside Professor Oberth's
office," Snoddy said. "I was new and was only around him for a
few months before he went back to Germany. But I remember that
he was a very quiet person. He was very humble."
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on
Braun, he could communicate his ideas in drawings and writings."
Recalling Oberth's close association with Von Braun, Snoddy
said, "If Von Braun can be considered the father of the space
age, then Oberth must be the grandfather."
Hermann Oberth died Dec. 29, 1989, in a hospital in Nuremberg,
West Germany[/quote]
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First, let us return to the claim I made that bothered Ashvin,
perhaps because it was so broad brushed and evidence free. That
is, I said, in regard to ETs, that they are a space faring
civilization(s), they are here, they are visiting, they are
messing with everybody's nukes and they have technology far
beyond human technology.
People that read my stuff know that, although I am not as
fastidiously methodical as Ashvin is, I do not lie. So what? The
fact that I don't set about to tell a tall tale does not mean I
know what I'm talking about, does it? Of course. Integrity is
not evidence of veracity; it merely means that I believe my
account. Belief and evidence are two different things.
The evidence of what we see, hear and touch influences what we
conclude about reality. We believe this or that is real when
enough evidence warrants it. I believe the ET phenomenon
warrants our acceptance that it is real. I do not share Ashvin's
concern about people going all in to the 'ET masters of the
universe/saviors' worship just because the OTHERS are smarter
and more advanced technologically than we are. I never have
worshipped ETs and I never will. But if some Homo SAPs can
worship Elvis or some Wall Street Big Shot, I guess some poor
saps would start building ET churches (even more than the
whackos do now! ) if they had a saucer parked next to all the
shopping centers with free electro-gravitic massages for all
comers. I can see it now, "Come get your 'religious experience'
at the ET Masters Church TODAY!". :P ;D
Reality is what it is. Just because a space faring civilization
is more advanced technologically than we are does not mean I
need to bow down and worship them. But given the Darwinian world
view that the 'apex predator', 'winner of the big brain
competition', 'highest technology bad ass is RIGHT because he
has the MIGHT', I can understand Ashvin's concern. ALL of us
have been brainwashed with that predatory pap since we were
children.
I have posted, in this forum, my eye witness account of light
balls, larger than a man, car length or so away from me, popping
into existence, floating by in a parking lot on the night of
April 9, 1990. After popping out of sight, I saw them streaking
silently through the night sky a few miles away (there was cloud
backdrop - I have EXTENSIVE training and experience in measuring
distances from clouds of moving aircraft and their velocity). I
saw two of them in the sky. They moved at well over a thousand
miles per hour silently. One of them did a hairpin turn that is
quite impossible for an aircraft (OR a missile, by the way).
They went back to the backlit cumulonimbus bubbling cloud, which
lost its light and stopped it's bubbling. End of eye witness
account.
Eddie thinks it was some high tech defense department stuff. But
the fact that the huge UFO flap, with military evidence of
radar, photographs and fighter interceptor chases was going on
at exactly the same time halfway around the world (something I
did not learn of for almost a decade!), convinced me that I
wasn't hallucinating (no I wasn't 'on something' or drinking.
LOL!) or that it was human technology. No I saw no flying disks
or little green men. So? The subject is NON-HUMAN high tech and
ETs,. The flying disks are a subset of that subject.
But let's assume that my experience does not provide any
evidence for my claim the ET's are here and doing all kinds of
things that we cannot stop them from doing.
Back in the early 1970s I read "The Interrupted Journey" about
Barney and Betty Hill's account of an ET encounter. Weird stuff.
I filed it away.
As an enroute air traffic controller in the 1970s, I would
occasionally track on radar, during the midnight shifts, what we
called "fast movers". We had broadband radar (no relation to
broadband internet!). Broadband radar is non-digitized raw
radar. It's low tech but tracks absolutely anything that moves,
unlike the digitized radar we got in the late 1970s (and have
had ever since). Unlike digitized radar, which is computer
algorithm massaged by velocity to decide whether it is eligible
for display (too slow, don't show - too fast must be false
target - do not output to display - programmer inserts
parameters - I did that when I was in programming later on),
broadband shows everything.
A fast mover was distinguished by the trace. On raw radar, a
target paints like a splotch. The antenna (ENROUTE radar - tower
radars turn faster) rotates 360 degrees in about 58 seconds and
paints it again in a different position. We radar controllers
would figure how fast it was going from the distance between the
two splotches. I trained for three years to learn how to
interpret Radio Amplitude Detection and Ranging so spare me the
hairsplitting. I'm giving you an abbreviated version, okay?
The fast movers were assumed by all brother controllers to be A)
Secret US military aircraft (USA! USA!) or B) ET UFOs. We all
knew about project Blue Book and the massive amount of baloney
foisted on the public. We all had secret clearances. The
gooberment was unconcerned about what we agreed to among
ourselves because it was illegal for us to talk to the public
about what we saw on radar or from control towers either.
We were reminded of that in a friendly fashion once a year in
security briefings. I am not being sarcastic. UFOs were NEVER
mentioned officially in security briefings by the stupidvisor
crew chiefs (unofficially, they knew the score and said so -
most of them were ex-USAF air traffic controllers...). We were
obedient apparatchiks, as Surly has reminded me from time to
time. ;D
This WORLD that I lived in is strange to Ashvin and many others.
They do not understand how people can be knowledgeable about the
UFO reality and keep it a secret. Therefore Ashvin assumes we
lack the evidence. No, we just liked keeping our jobs and
staying out of jail (see CFS). 8)
We would NOT try to gather physical evidence for the same
reason. But we talked. And we were honest with each other. I
have said before and I'll say it again. People from a military
background are not given to mendacity and tall tales, period.
And wishful thinking and hallucination is not what hard boiled,
nuts and bolts, do the math, USAF and civilian air traffic
controllers that have many lives in their hands are about
either.
Which brings me to Richard Diedrik (not totally sure of the
spelling - feel free to use that as 'evidence' that my hearsay
account doesn't amount to a hill of beans. ;) Logical people
will know better.
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/>Nicknamed "Dick", he got promoted to the enroute air traffic
control training department staff where I worked in 1977. I had
been there a year and was the lead training instructor.
Dick was a former USAF tower controller. He was a chubby,
affable fellow. He had been stationed at an Air Force Base
somewhere in the Southwestern U.S. in the 1960s. We hit it off
and I invited him over for dinner and drinks.
At my home, we talked about the fast movers, what the USAF might
have and what those fast movers might be. We covered a lot of
territory including military maneuver areas civilians know
nothing about, blocked airspace where 'things' move (radar
returns that ARE NOT false targets) when nothing is supposed to
be there and more. I brought up Barney and Betty Hill.
Then he told me of his experience. He was working the midnight
shift in the tower cab on a USAF base in the late 1960s with
another airman (enlisted rank). All military bases have a 24/7
OIC (officer in charge) that mans a desk somewhere on base (not
the atc tower). Whoever has the OIC shift wears an OIC band on
his arm over his uniform (I saw my dad wear it from time to
time).
Dick explained that they had some land marks (nearby water
tower, some mountains, etc.) that they knew the exact distance
to and height of. They used these landmarks to estimate the
distance and altitude of visually sighted aircraft. This enabled
them to call the sequence for inbound aircraft and tell the
pilots who they had to follow and the outbound traffic to avoid
as well.
Dick also explained that they had a tool that they held up to a
visually sighted aircraft to estimate the size of the aircraft
and the possible identity of the type of aircraft. The biggest
one then was the B-52. Once they had the distance and altitude
estimated from the landmarks behind or just below the aircraft,
they would dial that in on the tool to get a ball park idea of
the aircraft type.
Dick sighted a luminous object (not lights outlining it in the
dark). He estimated the distance and altitude from the airport.
They had no traffic reported in the area. He attempted to
establish radio contact. No joy. The other controller was sacked
out. He woke him up to ensure he had another witness to this
flying object because he had to file a report on any airbase
incursions from unauthorized aircraft.
The thing grew in size, indicating that it was approaching the
base. He used his tool on it when had a good estimate of the
distance and altitude. It was too big to be a B-52. It was
approaching the base. It would not respond to radio calls. They
called the OIC who told them to monitor the movements of the
aircraft and file a report.
The thing got within a few miles from the airport. It was not
moving erratically or particularly quickly either. But it was
moving at jet aircraft speed. This was no lighted blimp. It was
not bobbing up and down either. But the tool, now that the
distance and altitude estimate was much more precise, indicated
its size (in profile) just below five B52s. The USAF did not
have aircraft that big then or now.
It got within a mile and stopped at about 500 feet above the
runway. Still no radio contact and no jet engine noise
whatsoever (Yes, jet aircraft sound is not heard well in towers.
They have excellent sound proofing. But the lower rumbling
always comes through when jets are within a couple of miles -
this thing made no noise at all). It was saucer shaped in it was
one big forking saucer! They called the OIC again, who told them
to continue observing the craft and that he was now on his way
to the tower cab. No orders were given to scramble chase
aircraft.
The UFO hovered for about 10 or 15 minutes. Dick thoroughly
eyeballed it with binoculars, as did his fellow controller. He
could not discern doors, markings, tail number or control
surfaces. It was totally luminescent and it was not transparent.
It appeared to be made of some metal. The color of the
luminescent surface was like a dim light bulb (grayish glowing
white). There was no doubt in the two controllers' minds that
this thing was a physical object. Radar tracking was confirmed.
It began to move. Within seconds, it streaked towards the
mountains (not straight up but at a slight angle), becoming too
small in size to sight visually. The speed was well over two
thousand miles an hour from a dead stop. Dick called a nearby
USAF radar tracking facility and asked them if they were
tracking a high speed object. They confirmed that they were in
the last few minutes but they had nothing at the moment. Dick
did not say word one about what he had seen. When you are being
recorded, you say only what you must say, period.
The OIC arrived and was briefed by both controllers. He told
them to remain in the lower tower cab offices after their shift
and not to discuss this further with EACH OTHER or anyone else.
The rest of the shift was routine. They did as they were told.
After their shift MPs arrived and his fellow airman left with
them. Then some security personnel in plain clothes told him he
was not to mention this incident to anyone under threat of court
martial. He of course agreed but asked what could be done about
this giant flying saucer. He was told it was probably a
hallucination. He said the other guy saw the same thing. They
spent a couple of hours brow beating him about the possibility
of disciplinary action, a transfer to bumfork Alaska (or worse)
and so on. He got the message and signed whatever they placed
before him. They left.
When he got back to the barracks, his fellow controller's room
was vacant. He asked about him and was told he was given a
"hardship transfer" to another air base.
Dick was never scheduled to work a midnight shift on that base
again. He never saw another flying saucer.
It was almost two years later when Dick found out where his
fellow controller had been transferred to by chance. He had, of
course, not made any official inquiries. He looked the guy up
and the guy did not want to say beans about any of their shared
experiences "the night before" he transferred out. The look of
naked fear on his fellow controller's face was all Dick needed
to see. Dick made some comment about being glad that the
hardship transfer had worked out and they parted friends.
Dick told me he was sweating bullets for years about that event,
not because of ET, but because of the tough customers in
security that he knew could ruin his career, put him in jail on
trumped up charges or make him disappear.
I was dumbfounded. So, the brass knew and we were supposed to
pretend there was nothing to see, move along. Dick nodded. Now I
knew what our government did with the pilot UFO reports we had
to submit to the stupidvisor (AFTER Blue Book had been shut
down). Now I knew why most controllers considered making those
reports a waste of time. Now I knew why our canned phraseology
"Do you wish to file an official report of sighting an
Unidentified Flying Object?", ;) whenever a pilot claimed to
see strange 'things', was part of MESSAGE to airline pilots that
the gooberment did not want to hear it AND that their airline
WOULD hear it (consider them a bit flaky if they got a rep for
reporting strange 'things').
We talked a little about the technology and why we don't have a
cool flying saucer to go to work in. No need for runways but we
would still have airports for customs and such (ATC job security
was always considered! ;D) If smugglers go a hold of one, they
would have a field day! Also, there were a definite advantages
for air traffic control if we could order a craft to stop in
midair; no more holding patterns and easy sequencing! And no
more worries about one aircraft overtaking another.
After pondering the implications a while and the FACT that we
didn't have flying saucer technology, I said that TPTB either
couldn't duplicate it or were not interested in duplicating it
in order to not rock the transportation industry boat, so to
speak. Dick agreed that was part of it but believed it was more
about the USAF not wanting to admit they could not do beans
about where ET went and what ET did. We both agreed that it was
a relief that ET did not want to waste us.
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We both agreed that major foot dragging by TPTB was not going to
change any time soon and only ET would be able to force the
issue if they wished to do so. Neither of us knew zip about what
was going on at the nuke missile facilities from the 1960s on up
when this conversation took place in 1977.
Ashvin, Dick was telling the truth. It's hearsay. RIGHT! You
don't have to believe it. RIGHT!
But I insist that you are avoiding reality by believing the
"others" are not here. They are here. They have been around for
God knows how long. And their technology is fantastic stuff! The
Germans recognized that before WWII.
The following quotes are from Space Pioneer Dr. Hermann Oberth.
They were obtained in 1972 in an interview for a book about
suppressed inventions:
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LESS THAN ten seconds of video of a Fast Mover at the World
Trade Center July 24, 2000 (screen shot from above) :o. A human
being would be would be instantly killed from that type of
acceleration. That is what Richard Diedrik witnessed one night
working in a USAF base air traffic control tower. It's NOT one
of ours. It belongs to the OTHERS.
I thought somebody was chasing it but it looks like it buzzed
the chopper doing the filming and took a hairpin turn, leaving
some condensation trail when it neared the ocean. You need to
view the super short video about three times before you get the
total picture of what the shocked guy was trying to film. If it
was a fake, it was a good one! ;D
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This video is a longer version of the short vimeo clip I made.
This one has no sound. If you haven't heard the sound, please do
so in the vimeo clip. I believe the behavior of the lady and her
words gives authenticity to the video.
Watch carefully as SOMETHING flies slowly behind the second
tower before nosing out on the other side. After it streaks off,
you can see it again, unlike in the vimeo clip. You can also
clearly see it come VERY close to the chopper before doing it's
hairpin diving turn. ENJOY!
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Ashvin, if you had been one of the twelve Apostles of Jesus
Christ, your name would have been Thomas.
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: February 23, 2015, 11:43 pm
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A family victimized by WHAT (with the cooperation of the
authorities), exactly? ??? :( >:(
[quote]Uploaded on Jan 17, 2012
Dr. Karla Turner was murdered by the CIA for exposing the Alien
Greys. A Ufological researcher whose focus was alien, military,
and para-military abductions, or MAAR (Malevolent Alien
Abduction Research), in this lecture she discusses her findings
after years of personal experience and having worked closely
with many abductees.
Dr. Karla Turner was widely respected in the field of Ufology
for her research on alien abduction. A brilliant scholar and
professional educator, she earned a Ph.D. in Old English studies
and taught at the university level in Texas for more than ten
years. But in 1988, she and her husband and son endured a
disturbing series of experiences and recollections that forced
them to recognize that they were all abductees.
Many of the abductees Dr. Turner studied had at one time or
another had alien implants removed by a surgeon. Her research
found that the extraterrestrials known as the Alien Greys or
Grey Aliens, beings from Zeta Reticuli (a binary star system in
the southern constellation of Reticulum), who identify
themselves as the "Reticulans" (Lam was purportedly a Zeta
Reticulian), abduct humans and take them to alien ships and
alien bases that were located underground and on the ocean
floor. Some abductees even reported that they were, from time to
time, kidnapped by human U.S. military personnel who worked with
the aliens.
Dr. Turner, who was in perfect health and had no genetic history
of cancers of any kind, died of an unidentifiable cancer on
January 10, 1996, after being repeatedly threatened and harassed
in an attempt to force her to discontinue her research. She was
just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO
abduction investigations have also experienced threats followed
by highly unusual, fast-acting cancer.
Dr. Turner's alien abduction research was published in 3
paperbacks: Into the Fringe, Taken, and Masquerade of Angels (
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). Shortly after her
suspicious and untimely death (murder), her publishing company
was intimidated into halting the printing of Karla Turner's
haunting conclusions about the agenda of the evil Greys, their
alliance with the Illuminati, and it how it factors into the New
World Order.
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Re: Science
By: AGelbert Date: February 24, 2015, 7:13 pm
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NASA Astronauts Recall UFO Encounters :o
Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper – all former NASA
astronauts – recount the incredible events of the UFO
encounters.
Buzz Aldrin
In an interview back in 2005 with the Science Channel, Edwin ‘
Buzz’ Aldrin indicated that he saw an unidentified flying object
which followed Apollo 11 on the 1969 Lunar landing mission and
may have contained aliens.
In a youtube video recording, Aldrin recounts the experience and
the conversation with mission control:
[quote] “[There was] something out there that was close enough
to be observed, and what could it be?
“Mike [Collins] decided he thought he could see it in the
telescope and he was able to do that. When it was in one
position, it has a series of ellipses. But when you made it real
sharp, it was sort of L-shaped. That didn’t tell us very much.
“[b]Obviously the three of us were not going to blurt out,[/b]
‘Hey Houston, we’ve got something moving alongside of us and we
don’t know what it is; can you tell us what it is? We weren’t
about to do that, because we know that those transmissions would
be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody
would have demanded? That we turn back because of aliens, or
whatever the reason.” [/quote]
The crew decided not to discuss it further until debriefing.
Afterward though, NASA astrophysicist David Morrison reported
that Aldrin spoke with him after the interview, and claimed it
was probably a panel seperated from the craft at one of the
various stages, a normal procedure.
Agelbert NOTE: The PROBLEM with the above half truth by Buzz
(with that grin on is face while he says it ;)) is that there
WERE/ARE secure radio voice encrypted frequency channels to
Mission Control
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/>Buzz is not being forthright. They certainly DID report the U
FO
as an alien spacecraft to Mission Control. The rocket booster
talk was filler for the Russians (probably). Buzz and the rest
of the crew knew darned good and well the booster was WAY behind
them! Mission Control probably put them up to this booster
baloney to disguise all the extra chatter between the astronauts
and Mission Control that was being detected by many earth based
receivers (not just the Russians). NASA= Never A Straight
Answer.
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Edgar Mitchell
Edgar Mitchell flew in Apollo 14 in 1971 to the moon, recognised
as the sixth man to set foot on the moon. His recount of events
to WPTV tells that he is absolutely certain aliens are watching
us and that the government is completely aware of this.
[quote] “I don’t know how many or where or how they’re doing it,
but they’ve been observing us and here for quite some time. We
see these craft all the time,” he said.
“I believe what I’m saying and I cite the evidence that I know,”
Mitchell said.[/quote]
Many UFO blogs and online enthusiasts cite a leaked transcript
by a former NASA employee from after the Apollo 11 landing. The
conversation takes place between the crew, mission control, and
an unnamed professor.
[quote] “Apollo 11” is quoted: “These babies are huge … You
wouldn’t believe it. I’m telling you there are other spacecraft
out there … lined up on the far side of the crater edge.
“They’re on the moon watching us.”
Astronaut Neil Armstrong is quoted as saying, “We were warned
off.”[/quote]
The name of the NASA employee is Otto Binder, who is actually a
famous sci-fi author, which casts some doubt on this transcript.
According to the transcript, when Armstrong is questioned
further, he states:
[quote]"I can’t go into details, except to say that their ships
were far superior to ours both in size and technology—Boy, were
they big … and menacing. … No, there is no question of a space
station.”[quote][b][size=12pt]
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[b]Gordon Cooper
Gordon Cooper is one of the original 7 NASA astronauts, piloting
the last Project Mercury space mission back in 1963.
In 1951, he was in flight with the U.S Air Force in Germany when
he witnessed many UFO’s in high altitude, in formation. They
were flying much higher and faster than any man made aircraft,
he states in an interview with Yolanda Gaskins in 1996 on
Paranormal Borderline.
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“We couldn’t get anywhere near their altitude,” he said. After
filing a report, he explained, “the answer that finally came
back months later is they were probably high-flying seed pods,
which didn’t sound very logical.”[/quote]
Afterward, in 1957, his military crew filmed footage of a saucer
shaped UFO landing on a dry lake bed, sitting on 3 standing
legs. When they approached the craft, it took off. The film was
given to his superiors, and never saw the light of day again.
These incredible encounters are only strengthened by their
official professions.
Check out the entire article here at The Epoch Times.
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