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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: September 8, 2014, 1:42 pm
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Rand Paul [img width=30
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Shows
She Lacks ‘Wisdom’ to Be President [img width=80
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/> Students of Goebbels Propaganda Techniques PLEASE NOTE: Rand
Paul is being used as a TOOL to make Hillary Clinton (another
FASCIST TOOL) look like she will address climate change. The
ORWELLIAN GOALS of TPTB are:[/size]
1) Make you believe that these two TOOLS of Oligarchy are
elucidating the main "controversy" so that you will LABEL one of
them as RIGHT and one of them as WRONG. Consequently you will be
swayed by the "reasonable logic" BALONEY of "vote for the lesser
evil".
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/> This is manufacturing consent on STEROIDS!
2) Make you believe that politicians give a rat's ass what you
think. They DON'T. They are NOT concerned with "winning" the
election, GET IT?
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That is NOT what this is about. The election is GAMED by the
media as a HORSE RACE so a third party candidate with a REAL
POPULIST PLATFORM will be shut out REGARDLESS of their ACTUAL
vote count! Once you BELIEVE those two TOOLS are "fighting on
your behalf", most of you will be SUCKERED into voting one way
or the other AGAINST your best interests, evidence and
experience. Goebbels Game Theory ****S know their stuff!
3) For those who DO see through this charade, the 24/7 media
coverage of the professional wrestling match between Dems and
Repubs ( keep believing the Tea Party and the Libertarians are
not Repub theater for the more reactionary and "purist" repubs
if you want - it's part of this sucker play - LOL!) will
convince them that their real populist candidate in the Tax Wall
Street Party and/or the Green Party has no chance of winning.
This is False. Even a high protest vote scares the **** out of
TPTB. They NEED the manipulated consent of the governed. Never
forget that! It doesn't matter how many guns they have. If they
lose the manipulated consent of the governed, the cops and
enforcers in their ranks start to throw wrenches in the
oligarchic fascist machinery and the government cannot control
the masses. VOTE YOUR CONSCIENSE, not the media manufactured
"reality"!
4) Avoid an "embarrassing" overwhelming vote in favor of REAL
POPULISTS that has to be BLATANTLY manipulated. WHY? Because
that is what starts national uprisings against fascist
governments.
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Our
Orwellian masters do not want that (it's expensive... [/I]
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Agebert COMMENT on the above article's web site: Rand Paul AND
Hillary Clinton "disagreements" are an EXCELLENT example of a
professional wrestling match FOOD FIGHT.
This is THEATER. This is a DISTRACTION from the painful reality
of our corrupt. climate denying Fossil Fuel OWNED GOVERNMENT!
The Only REAL choices we have are in the Green Party and the Tax
Wall Street Party.
I vote for the Tax Wall Street Party! The Green Party would
probably caucus with them! Dems and Repubs are oligarchic TOOLS,
PERIOD!
The honest REAL populists to vote for in California, Nebraska
and New York if you are tired of Wall Street FASCISM in the USA
are:[B]
[b][b]James Hinton [i]in California[/b]
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[b]Dan Buhrdorf in Nebraska[/b] and [b]Randy Credico in New
York[/b]
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Pass it on. The country you help emerge from fascism [s]may
be[/s] IS our own!
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2014, 6:44 pm
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Hitler's Courts: Betrayal of the Rule of Law in Nazi Germany
SNIPPET 1:
[quote]Sol Wachtler, former Chief Judge of the State of New
York, and my guest today, first roused my own interest in this
subject – and my profound concern for its implications for
Americans today – in 2002 when the Touro Law Center in
cooperation with the Free University of Berlin Law School
convened in Berlin, Germany the Simon Bond International Wannsee
Seminar on “Tyranny, Justice & The Law: The Nazis and Beyond”.
As the Seminar’s Chair, Judge Wachtler wrote then that it was
there in the “Wannsee Villa 60 years before that the political,
legal, and judicial functionaries of the Third Reich met to
devise an efficient method to resolve ‘the Jewish question’
[what became "The Final Solution" -- extermination of the Jews].
“Participants of that conference where the logistics of mass
murder were agreed upon – were lawyers…[Judge Wachtler wrote,
and] … Wannsee…serves as a powerful reminder of how fragile ‘the
Rule of Law’ can be when threatened by the political power of
the state”.
The mission of the Wannsee Seminar, my guest noted, was to
impart to members of the legal establishment worldwide “…the
relevant warning that when the law and the courts are motivated
and dominated by state and political interests above the
interests of justice, civilization is doomed”.[/quote]
SNIPPET 2 (the MONEY QUOTE! ;))
[quote]WACHTLER: I … actually … when we first thought about the
idea of the Conference … and this goes way back to 1968 that
I’ve been thinking about this … when I lectured over in Germany
on the Constitution of the United States before the prosecutors
and judges of Germany … it occurred to me that these prosecutors
and judges … back in ’68 … were the same men who were Hitler’s
judges and … they were still doing business … and it occurred to
me “Where were they? Where were they when Hitler’s ascension
brought about chaos internationally? Why didn’t they provide the
bulwark that lawyers and judges should provide in order to stem
the tide of un-civilization?”
Instead they became handmaidens to tyranny.
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Agelbert NOTE: Did you GET THAT? Did you NOTICE they DID NOT get
disbarred, go to prison or get a death sentence? Did you notice
the ones in 1968 were THERE and helped Hitler's rise to power by
PLAYING THE GAME of hairsplitting, "if it's legal, it's lawful"
BULLSHIT that's getting so much ACCEPTANCE in the USA today?
>:(
You didn't? What part of this quote do you NOT
UNDERSTAND?[quote] it occurred to me that these prosecutors and
judges … back in ’68 … were the same men who were Hitler’s
judges and … they were still doing business
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Snippet 3: The STRONG Rule of LAW in Germany and the PRINCIPLED
stand of the Courts and LAWYERS. ;D
[quote]
At first the judges protested, they said, “This is wrong.”
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But the head of the judicial conference went to meet with Adolf
Hitler and came back and said to his fellow jurists, “This is
only temporary, I’ve been assured by the Fuhrer that this will
go away soon. But these laws become necessary because we’re
living in a time of terror.”
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Snippet 4: The STRONG Rule of LAW in Germany was LEGALLY made
UNLAWFUL. ;D
[quote]
BAZYLER: When the Nazis first came to power they ended up
promulgating a number of laws that incrementally deprived Jews
and other persecuted minorities, of civil rights. These
incremental steps that we’re talking about … that results in the
Final Solution … were all legal steps. ;D I mean you can trace
this, you can trace the Holocaust as a legal event. [img
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Read more at link below:
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No pattern here... Nothing to see... Move along... wave that
flag and, well, you get the idea. ;) Everything is going to be
just fine. Sleep well, our courts will always be there to give
you your DAY in court (and a job and three meals a day in a
"gated" community ;D). Gott mit uns!
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2014, 8:24 pm
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Here's the deal, boys and girls. The erudite German Lawyers KNEW
the LAW. BUT, they feared Hitler more than they feared God. They
preferred to let others DIE so they might LIVE. Many of these
judges and lawyers were church going, professing Christians.
WTF happened? They were afraid of being disbarred, going to
prison, being shot or all the above. It's happening here RIGHT
NOW in the USA. The people that KNOW our "laws" are UNLAWFUL in
regard to the "latitude" given the police, are aiding and
abetting the march of fascism in this country.
As in Germany in the NAZI era, they are mostly taking care of
number one, not preserving justice. Not that they will ever
admit it. They like to hear themselves talk, talk, talk but are
loathe to put their asses on the line to prevent we-the-people
from being shafted.
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And for the materialist who only gives principled behavior and
morality lip service (i.e. they don't DO dying for someone else
or for principles, period.), who can blame them?
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NAZI Germany, the most horrific example of human butchery and
moral cowardice amongst the professionals in particular and the
people in general in the history of this planet was ALLOWED, by
the Allied powers after WWII, to leave all those cowardly forks
free to practice LAW and man the Court System.
So they have EVERYTHING to lose if they buck the encroaching
fascism here and NOTHING to gain by going to bat for
we-the-people. They plant to survive. They will turn themselves
into logical pretzels in order to SAVE THEIR HIDE by arguing
vociferously (and disingenuously ;)) that our LAWS are LAWFUL
and LEGAL. For them to say they don't "agree" to the laws while
continuing to assert those LAWS are LAWFUL just means they won't
lift a finger to save your ass from tyranny. Remember that.
In brief, the court system will not save this country from a
government and police that defines LAW and LAWFUL as whatever
the fork they want to do, period.
The solution can ONLY be an Ex Curia "solution".
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/>Lawyers now are no better than those fine legal minds in Germa
ny
(this is not sarcasm - they were considered the BEST in
civilization at that time!) in the 1930s that managed to 'play
the game' which resulted in AIDING and ABETTING the butchery of
millions of decent people and lived to collect their pensions
after remaining in the Court System after WWII and all the way
to 1968 and beyond. Clever fellows, weren't they? [img
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May God have mercy on us all. We are truly forked.
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2014, 8:48 pm
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Hitler's Courts Video series Parts 2 and 3 (Past can be
prologue, readers!)
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Fascism is sneaking in to the USA. Many of the EXACT SAME
METHODS are being used. Be alert. Get your Town council to fire
AND imprison any police officer that is brutal or racist. That's
how it began in Germany (with the LAWS backing the police up!).
Hitler's Courts Part 3: Germany after WWII and the USA after
911. Our democracy is in peril from fascism.
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Despite that high sounding and righteous phrase from Nuremberg
above, most of the people in the law system were NOT even tried.
In the video, you will see what NO LAWYER wants to talk about
TODAY in regard to the ILLEGALITY of LAWS that VIOLATE basic
human MORALITY. Forget the concentration camp guard just
following legal ad lawful orders. That's when things were REALLY
far gone. Go back to the German cops in the streets doing a
number on the Jews in particular and anybody they wanted to beat
up in general. Hello? USA today, anyone? You aren't black so no
problem. Dream on, pal!
No amount of hair splitting legalese can justify a LAW that
asserts that an assault by a police officer is LAWFUL while self
defense against that illegal assault is not. THAT's the LAW in
Pennsylvania. IT actually SAYS that, even if the assault by the
police officer is ILLEGAL, you have NO RIGHT to defend yourself.
BULLSHIT!
[quote]
Under Pennsylvania law, you may not use force to resist a legal
or [b][i][size=18pt]illegal :o >:( arrest. Remember you have
the right to contest the validity of your arrest later on in
court. ::)
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Fascism isn't coming; It's HERE, people. It just hasn't rung
your bell yet. But it will. If you live in Pennsylvania or any
other state with an UNLAWFUL LAW like that above, work to get it
changed or watch our country go down the fascist drain.
THAT is what happened in Germany before it got really bad over
there. By the early 1940s The SS was allowed to REINTERPRET or
DISGARD a LAW or a Court sentence if they considered it TOO
LENIENT. What an amazing pile of steaming bullshit.
And it was all done with all the proper legal stamps, motions
and sentencing paperwork! The video makes it CRYSTAL CLEAR that
it CAN happen here.
IT ALSO, and unfortunately for we-the-people, puts the main
responsibility for stopping fascist tyranny that will change our
Court System to a murderous travesty of justice on, GET THIS,
our Judges and lawyers. ::)
I don't think so. But then, the narrators are representatives of
the LAW NOW, so it is PAR FOR THE COURSE for them to do a little
Noblesse Oblige Dance. ;)
It was a great video series but, aside from the BRIEF mention of
a few travesties of justice perpetrated in the past by the USA
and a warning about the danger of too many anti-terrorism laws
after 911, they don't say BEANS about how bad it is already.
I know better. They don't want to ADMIT that they are as fearful
of losing their JOBS as those German Jurists and lawyers were in
the 1930s. If you don't see that, you have a leak in your attic.
Don't count on our court system for anything but lip service to
democracy at best and, at worst, acting as the willing double
talking, rhetoric laced motor mouth handmaiden of fascism,
prejudice, brutality and corporate enslavement for profit over
planet.
George Orwell was not whistling Dixie. Pass it on. The democracy
you save may be your own.
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 11, 2014, 9:56 pm
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[quote]Table of Contents
Chapter
1. Tort Terrorism
2. Deadly Culture in Government Aviation Safety Offices
3. Continuing Cover-Ups: National Tradition] Agelbert NOTE:See
1930s Germany
4. Imposters Seeking to Halt Exposure Activities
5. Reporting Federal Crimes to Federal Judges
6. Fighting Aviation Safety Corruption as Private Citizen
7. Scheme by CIA-Front Law Firm to Block Reports
8. Extension of Scheme to Federal Courts
9. Report Criminal Activities: Go to Prison] Agelbert NOTE:See
1930s Germany
10. Seeking Civil Rights Relief in Chapter 11 Courts
11. Suing Federal Judges and Accomplices
12. Complicity of Supreme Court Justices Agelbert NOTE: See
1930s Germany
13. Complicity of Media People
14. Lawsuits to Record Crimes of Congress, Judges and Media
15. Corrupt Culture of DOJ Lawyers ] Agelbert NOTE: See 1930s
Germany
16. Classic Example of Legal-Judicial Sabotage
17. Blowback Consequences on 9/11 and Continuing Cover-Ups
18. Continuing Attacks from Legal Fraternity After 9/11 Agelbert
NOTE: See 1930s Germany
19. Bright Future for Continuing Corruption! ] Agelbert NOTE:
See 1930s Germany
Index
Details the culture and corruption among lawyers, law firms, and
judges, and some of the tragic consequences from such conduct by
people in the United States. Some of the issues include:
•Blackmail threats against small businesses by lawyers.
•Class action lawsuits in which the plaintiffs get virtually
nothing and the lawyers get millions in fee.
•Widespread corruption in probate case.
•Widespread defrauding of widows and orphans.
•Widespread corruption in bankruptcy courts.
•Lawyers demanding sex from their clients.
•Judges accepting bribes from lawyers appearing before them.
•Involvement of a CIA front law firm in San Francisco acting to
halt the author's attempts to publicize the corruption in
government offices that he and a group of other former
government agents had discovered.
•The repeated acts by federal judges, acting in unison with the
CIA-front law firm, to strip the author of $10 million in assets
that funded his exposure activities.
•The nationwide corruption in bankruptcy courts that corruptly
seizes the assets of people who exercise the statutory
protection of Chapter 11.The corruption throughout the legal
fraternity, including federal and state judges.
• The harm they inflict upon the people of the United States and
upon major national interests.
• How lawyers in the government's aviation safety offices
covered up for corrupt activities of government officials that
had already been implicated in several prior airline disasters,
which then continued as before.
• The attacks upon a former federal safety agent to silence him,
by over 50 lawyers over a period of 20 years, and the ripple
effects on 9/11 and in other airline disasters.
• Role of federal judges in repeatedly blocking former
government agents from reporting corruption in government
offices, some of it deadly.
• The involvement of Supreme Court justices in the cover-ups of
criminal activities.
• Lawsuit against federal judges and CIA-front law firm on the
basis of schemes to obstruct justice.
• Various legal scams against the public.[/quote]
For those who do not see the looming fascist threat to our
democracy and the FACT that the Court System will be handmaidens
of this corporate fascism just believe I'm just bitter from
isolated incidents with the legal system in my own narrow pro se
experience. Believe I don't know nuttin' about law, peace, war,
good, bad, history or whatever in regard to creeping fascism.
Believe I'm just a paranoid scaredy cat makin' a mountain out of
a molehill. I hope you are right... 8) It's just my overactive
imagination and so on....
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 14, 2014, 8:05 pm
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This is an EXCELLENT example of a Corrupt Court System. >:(
As you will see, whenever a "brilliant jurist" finally gets his
head out of his "logical" ass and sees that the LAW he
supported and argued for was USED to disenfranchise voters in
diametric (as in Orwellian) opposition to the stated intent of
said law, YEARS of fascist inertia and democracy destroying
elections have taken place. Then the jurist gives a dissenting
opinion on a related case.
BUT, it DOES NO GOOD for we-the-people beyond lip service. The
Court System has made Voter Disenfranchisement LEGAL. This is
one of the MANY steps taken by state governments in the USA
towards fascism.
WHERE was the American Bar Association when this Voter ID CRAP
was first pushed? ??? Well, uh, there was NO EVIDENCE of intent
to disenfranchise voters. ;D The LAW, as written, APPEARED to
be for the purpose of AVOIDING voter fraud. Hey, we are lawyers,
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RIGHT.
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RIGHT THROUGH this transparent and fascist backed effort to
thwart the Democratic representation of a segment of the voting
public! [img width=60
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The following post is from the Daily Kos. they are celebrating a
dissenting opinion. I say the elite controlling the Courts AND
the state government voter ID LAWFUL UNLAWFUL AND FRAUDULENT
laws deliberately designed to disenfranchise voters will do
NOTHING to change this travesty of democracy before the
elections. AFTER the elections they will yammer about this and
that and perhaps get some reform with much fanfare! ;D However,
before the next election, a legal team from A.L.E.C. will
meticulously pull every single democratic tooth out of it
(quietly, of course! ;)).
IOW, the SYSTEM has fascist inertia. The Court System is PART of
that inertia and is ONLY used to display the appearance of
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A dissenting opinion, even from a Reagan appointee, will do
NOTHING but put a [i]"the Court System works" bright and shiny,
BUT FALSE, paint job on our fascist enabling system of
juris-imprudence. ;D Enjoy! [/i]
Mon Oct 13, 2014 at 04:42 PM PDT.
Highly Respected Conservative Judge Rips "Voter ID" Laws--and
the GOP--in Blistering Opinion
SNIPPET 1 (the "brilliant jurist" cred ;D):
[quote] Possibly the most well-known jurist in the country, the
Reagan-appointed, conservative Posner is not only an
accomplished Circuit Court Judge, he is a Senior Lecturer at the
University of Chicago Law School and the author of nearly 40
books. He is 75 years old and were it not for a penchant for
raising hackles of the legal community with his acute opinions,
he would likely be on the Supreme Court right now.
The Los Angeles Times' Michael Hiltzik accurately describes the
regard the legal and judicial community holds towards Posner:
Posner, 75, is no wooly-headed liberal, but a card-carrying
conservative who was appointed to the circuit bench by Ronald
Reagan in 1981. He's widely regarded as the smartest jurist in
the federal judiciary, and was identified in 2000 by Fred
Shapiro of Yale Law School as the most-cited legal scholar of
all time.[/quote]
SNIPPET 2:
[quote] Posner authored the Opinion in the decision of Crawford
v Marion County, the 7th Circuit decision in 2008 that upheld
Indiana's "Voter ID" law, and which was, in turn, affirmed by
the Supreme Court. The case involved the Constitutionality of
the first such law in the country, the seminal Voter Suppression
statute
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Agelbert NOTE: Because of that voter suppression, the WRONG
people got elected, wars have been fought, money stolen by the
MIC, MORE people have been killed outside this country and in
it, fossil fuel subsidies prolonged and Renewable energy
subsidies kept tiny or non-existent. Many Americans have died
from lack of proper health care.
In MY BOOK, those are BOTH CIVIL and CRIMINAL LAW violations.
Don't hold your breath waiting for a lawyer to agree. The
"variables" in the voting for this, that and the other are all
separate issues that LAWYERS REFUSE to connect the CRIME/FRAUD
dots on. Why? Because they are PART of the fascist corruption
for profit over planet, period. Of course, they'll deny that
too! ;D
This is the story of this country since the (Orwellian) Patriot
Act ENABLING LAW began a chain of fascism fostering laws. The
Law profession has MADE A LOT OF MONEY from those laws and is
NOT interested in reversing them because the MONEY people BACKED
those laws BEFORE they became laws and will be highly pissed at
any lawyer with the temerity to "piss upstream", so to speak.
SNIPPET 3 (an IMPOTENT JUDICIARY when they don't want to change
a LAW):
[quote]Posner, joined by four Judges on the Seventh Circuit,
authored the opinion requesting a rehearing en banc by the
entire Seventh Circuit Court of appeals in Frank v Scott Walker
et al, the recent case assessing the validity of the Wisconsin
"Voter ID" statute. A three-judge panel of the 7th Circuit had
already cleared the way for the Wisconsin law to go into effect
prior to next month's elections. :evil4: Posner's request for
rehearing split the Judges of that Circuit 5-5, and thus no
rehearing was granted. Posner's opinion, which eviscerates every
rationale promoted in support of these suppression laws, was
relegated to a "dissent." But unlike most other "dissents,"
this opinion is likely to reverberate throughout the Judiciary
and will be closely scrutinized by the Supreme Court, which
stepped in and suspended the law's validity just last week. ::)
[/quote]
Agelbert NOTE: It's a fantastic opinion BUT it is a "DISSENT"
:evil4:, LOL! IOW, it don't mean SHIT as to changing the law, no
matter what the hopeful and optimistic fellow at the Daily KOS
is wishing for. I'm NOT being pessimistic; I'm being REALISTIC.
8)
If they DO annul this Voter SUPRESSION LAW, it will be a step
towards Democracy. I'm telling you right here and now that
NOTHING will be done except a lot of foot dragging UNTIL AFTER
the election. I wish it weren't so. :(
Now read parts of Posner's great dissent (with article author's
commentary) in the tradition of Oliver Wendell Holmes (the Great
Dissenter). It's quite good, logical, realistic and honest.
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Posner distills the essence of these noxious statutes as
motivated solely by the intent by the Republican Party to
suppress Americans' right to vote. As Hiltzik summarizes the
opinion:
[quote]"There is only one motivation for imposing burdens on
voting that are ostensibly designed to discourage
voter-impersonation fraud," [Posner] writes, "and that is to
discourage voting by persons likely to vote against the party
responsible for imposing the burdens." More specifically, he
observes, photo ID laws are "highly correlated with a state's
having a Republican governor and Republican control of the
legislature and appear to be aimed at limiting voting by
minorities, particularly blacks."[/quote]
Posner distinguishes the Indiana law from the Wisconsin one (a
necessary exercise, albeit an effective one) in terms of their
relative stringency. But his opinion suggests a more
substantial re-thinking of the entire issue, and he takes pains
to carefully demolish the flimsy arguments and excuses of "voter
fraud" proffered by the laws' proponents:
[quote]"There is compelling evidence that voter-impersonation
fraud is essentially nonexistent in Wisconsin." Assertions about
voter fraud are "a mere fig leaf for efforts to disenfranchise
voters." He adds that "some of the 'evidence' of
voter-impersonation fraud is downright goofy, if not paranoid,
such as the nonexistent buses that according to the 'True the
Vote' movement [a voter suppression organization originating in
the tea party movement] transport foreigners and reservation
Indians to polling places." [/quote]
Indeed, Posner writes, lists of the states that impose the
strictest requirements "imply that a number of conservative
states try to make it difficult for people who are outside the
mainstream, whether because of poverty or race or problems with
the English language...to vote."
The "list of states" is actually a Table (Table 2, page 17)
contained within the opinion itself. Posner shows that all of
the states that have implemented these voter suppression
statutes did so under Republican governance, either at the
Executive or Legislative level:
STATES WITH STRICT PHOTO ID LAWS—POLITICAL MAKEUP
WHEN THE LAWS WERE ADOPTED
Arkansas: Democratic governor, but both the House and Senate
were under Republican control.
Georgia: Republican governor, Republican control of both the
House and Senate.
Indiana: Republican governor, Republican control of both the
House and Senate.
Kansas: Republican governor, Republican control of both the
House and Senate.
Mississippi: Adopted by the voters through a ballot initiative.
Republicans, who already controlled the governorship and the
state Senate, won a majority of seats in the House in that same
election.
Tennessee: Republican governor, Republican control of both
the House and Senate.
Texas: Republican governor, Republican control of both the
House and Senate.
Virginia: Republican governor, Republican control of both the
House and Senate.
Wisconsin: Republican governor, Republican control of both
the House and Senate.
The Opinion notes that the same pattern holds true for the three
"strict, non-photo ID" states, Arizona, North Dakota and Ohio.
Posner also sarcastically eviscerates the argument that "Voter
ID's" are easy to obtain, are inexpensive, or are somehow akin
to "showing an ID" when one boards an airplane. In a final
flourish of judicial contempt, Posner characterizes the
arguments of the Wisconsin law's proponents as inhabiting a
"fact-free cocoon".
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A strong antipathy runs through Posner's opinion here, one that
should be taken seriously. Posner appears to appreciate ;Dthe
deeply un-American purpose of these laws and he spares no effort
to take their essential fiendishness to task, even as he lays
their invention at the feet of his own Republican Party. ;D
This is damning stuff, ::) the likes of which has never been
fully articulated in Judicial opinion. The fact that Posner is
the one articulating it will have a profound effect on the
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Judge Posner's dissenting opinion in the Frank v Scott Walker
case is here.
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[move]The voter ID LAWS were crafted with malice and
aforethought for the purpose of fostering a murdering, profit
over planet fascist police state in a series of small
INCREMENTAL STEPS. [/move]
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 14, 2014, 11:19 pm
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SNIPPET:
As Christopher Simpson reminds us in the opening chapter, “The
most prominent feature of the Nazi political philosophy [was]
extreme anticommunism and particularly fanatic hatred of the
USSR.” That hatred set the world ablaze, and, yet, after the
war, the Nazi administrators, chief intelligence officers,
generals, police chiefs, and intellectuals of that regime of
hatred and war were recruited to continue their work in the
bosom of our secret National Security State, advising,
influencing, and promoting our foreign policy in the Cold War .
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Did that policy change with the fall of the Berlin Wall?
No, it intensified—still absolutist, still aggressive, still
dedicated to political warfare.
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America’s Recruitment of Nazis -– Then and Now
By LUCIANA BOHNE / CounterPunch
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Re: Corruption in Government
By: AGelbert Date: October 16, 2014, 9:56 pm
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[quote]an·tith·e·sis anˈtiTHəsəs/ noun noun:
antithesis; plural noun: antitheses a person or thing that is
the direct opposite of someone or something else. "love is the
antithesis of selfishness"
synonyms:
inverse, obverse, other side of the coin; informal flip side
"friends of the actress say she is quite the antithesis of her
giddy and frivolous character"
“Legal” is the antithesis of equitable, ;D and the equivalent
of constructive. 2 Abbott’s Law Dic. 24
eq·ui·ta·ble ˈekwədəb(ə)l/ adjective
adjective: equitable
1. fair and impartial. "an equitable balance of power"
synonyms:
unprejudiced, egalitarian; More disinterested, objective,
neutral, nonpartisan, open-minded; informal fair and square "a
plan to distribute the burden of taxes in an equitable way"
antonyms:
2. Law
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valid in equity
as distinct from law. "the beneficiaries have an equitable
interest in the property"
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Agelbert note: Isn't it just AMAZING ;) how the LAWYERS managed
to ADJUST ;) the definition "1" of equitable so as to split a
few hairs in order to LEGALLY (definition "2") [i]take someone's
LAWFUL EQUITY away? Yes, of course I sense a bit of table
pounding on the way which will be heralded with several colorful
adjectives disdaining as surreal, ridiculous, hypocritical (and
so on) the data I am providing you here with links. Well, as
they say in da show biz, any publicity is good publicity. ;D
You know, the [s]Scribes and Pharisees[/s] lawyers are really
'good' at what the DO, aren't they? ;D It makes you wonder
about the REASON the word "Code" was morphed by the etymology
challenged (or fiendishly Orwellian!) Legal establishment to
mean laws , don't it? Mens Rea? Nahh. [img width=30
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But that would be a silly "conspiracy theory", now wouldn't it?
After all, lawyers don't have a secret handshake, do they? ;D
Well then, they are just trying to make things CLEAR for us, not
trying to set up their own private language so they are the only
ones that can A) make money from da law business and B) screw
someone with all the proper color of law. ;) There is NO
history of chicanery among lawyers. Oh no! ;D [/i]
[quote]Lawful matters are ethically enjoined in the law of the
land—the law of the people—and are actual in nature, not
implied. This is why whatever true law was upheld by the organic
Constitution has no bearing or authority in the present day
legal courts. It is impossible for anyone in “authority” today
to access, or even take cognizance of, true law since
“authority” is the “law of necessity,” 12 USC 95. ;D
Therefore, it would appear that the meaning of the word “legal”
is “color of law,” a term which Black’s Law Dictionary, Fifth
Edition, defines as:
[size=12pt]Color of law. The appearance or semblance, without
the substance, of legal right. Misuse of power, possessed by
virtue of state law and made possible only because wrongdoer is
clothed with authority of state, is action taken under “color of
law.” ;D Black’s Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, page
241.[/size]
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Tell me, dear readers, does the above statue of Lady Justice
speak of Legality or of EQUITABILITY (the antithesis of
legality)? See Color of Law. >:(
Now, if truth in advertising was applied to the above OBVIOUS
historical attempt by TPTB to convince the masses of the
intrinsic Equitablilty (as well as being the 'ultimate' and ONLY
authority for coercive power and so on) of the Court System when
engaged in the settling of disputes, then we would see something
like the following in order to CORRECTLY describe our Court
System so as to prepare those seeking a LAWFUL remedy in said
system [b]for the "real world":
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Gott mit uns!
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Golden Rule Government: Lawful System Based on Caring instead o
f Conquest
By: AGelbert Date: October 16, 2014, 10:46 pm
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[I]PART 1 of the Ex Curia Solution[/i]
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Golden Rule Government - A [s]Legal[/s] Lawful System Based on
Caring instead of Conquest by Jailhouse Judge Agelbert
Background:
Golden Rule Government, not to be confused with fiscal policy in
government (today mostly given lip service) where borrowing is
only authorised except for investment, is a total ex curia
replacement ot our hopelessly elitist, fascist, dysfunctional,
profit over planet, biosphere destroying and human misery
producing (and so on) social governing structure.
This new approach is not a reform of the old; it requires the
scrapping of the old because the status quo is based on
conquest. This new system mat be labeled "feminine" because it
is based on caring.
However, overall, it is utilitarian in its application , not
"sentimental", as anything labeled "femine" by our society
disingenuously, pejoratively and patronizingly might claim.
In philosophy the male-centered versus the feminine approach are
considered areas of moral
psychology:
[quote]... area of moral psychology focuses on whether there is
a distinctly female approach to ethics that is grounded in the
psychological differences between men and women.
Discussions of this issue focus on two claims:
(1) traditional morality is male-centered, and
(2) there is a unique female perspective of the world which can
be shaped into a value theory.
According to many feminist philosophers, traditional morality is
male-centered since it is modeled after practices that have been
traditionally male-dominated, such as acquiring property,
engaging in business contracts, and governing societies. The
rigid systems of rules required for trade and government were
then taken as models for the creation of equally rigid systems
of moral rules, such as lists of rights and duties.
Women, by contrast, have traditionally had a nurturing role by
raising children and overseeing domestic life. These tasks
require less rule following, and more spontaneous and creative
action. Using the woman's experience as a model for moral
theory, then, the basis of morality would be spontaneously
caring for others as would be appropriate in each unique
circumstance. On this model, the agent becomes part of the
situation and acts caringly within that context. This stands in
contrast with male-modeled morality where the agent is a
mechanical actor who performs his required duty, but can remain
distanced from and unaffected by the situation. A care-based
approach to morality, as it is sometimes called, is offered by
feminist ethicists as either a replacement for or a supplement
to traditional male-modeled moral systems.[/quote]
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Of course, all ethical conduct is based on some basic concept of
what is right and what is wrong (i.e. morality). While there ARE
people, a lot of them, out there that argue that ethics has no
place in social structure UNLESS it is "situational" (see
Orwell) in nature, what they are really advocating, adopting,
espousing and defending is a Machiavellian view of government
of the people, by the elite and for the elite.
The issue, nevertheless, is further "muddled" by the claim that
"morality" is a human invention that doesn't "do the Darwinian
math" of "reality". They claim that what is "moral/ethical" for
one tribe may be "immoral" for another so the best (i.e. "real
world") course of action is to shake hands and come out
fighting (i.e. Conquest is the ultimate "morality").
Actus reus
Action or conduct that is a constituent element of a crime, as
opposed to the mental state of the accused.
An excellent example of the LACK of "do the math" logic in our
closed system biosphere by the Court System of Homo SAPs is
poaching. Ask a lawyer to define poaching. While said
professional may give lip service to the deleterious effects on
the biosphere in general and the poached species of wildlife in
particular due to this "illicit" activity, the APPROACH to this
life destroying actus reus is ridiculously limited to the
typical legalese tunnel vision of 'seeing the stolen healthy
trees' PROPERTY, hair splitting illogic, that ignores the forest
fire'. That is, the health and perpetuation of the 'impacted
species' is measured only with regard to computing damages to
the Homo SAP tribe or nation who 'owns' the animals being
poached.
Furthermore, if the poacher is doing the bidding of a foreign
government to undermine the GDP of the 'enemy' or some other
'justified' activity (according to social Darwinian situational
'ethics' Homo SAP juris-imprudent Court Systems) he is, acting
'lawfully'. It just depends (see SOPHISTRY and the practice of
law) which group of Homo SAPS you base your 'fealty' too.
So what's the problem with loyalty to your tribe? Does not the
life and welfare of 'your tribe' outweigh all other
'sentimental' notions of questionable ethical behavior? Well, at
this point a lawyer will have a field day answering with a
fascinating but thoroughly contorted and convoluted amount of
'logic' that basically says, YES (with several escape clause
conditional "no" gray areas - be sure to consult a lawyer for
each gray area.). The Homo SAP Court System has a sliding scale
of ethics where "legal" is "lawful"(i.e. ethical/moral)
sometimes but NOT ALWAYS. That's just the way it is among apex
predators in a social Darwinian "real world' pecking order. Any
other 'sentimental' and 'idealistic' and/or 'ridiculously
utopian' notions of ethical conduct are just magical/wishful
thinking for reality challenged ignoramuses. The current Court
System used by Homo SAP governments is the ONLY 'workable'
system, Sniff!
IF our concern (see trees versus forest) was exclusively
occupying the king of the hill position among competing Homo
SAPS, I would agree. But that fails to do the overall biosphere
Darwinian (see natural selection and species extinction) MATH.
Hence it is not just ridiculous to design and operate a
Government/Court System predicated on Conquest, it is not
ethical in any sense when the FOREST that Homo SAPS REQUIRE for
the health, welfare and perpetuation of their species is
COMPUTED into the MATH.
Idealist? Utopian? Try NOT OPTIONAL. In our biosphere, the
ethical BOTTOM LINE is NOT some man made philosophical concept
that defines "ethical" or "unethical" behavior in terms of what
we do to each other and ignores other life forms. The ethical
BOTTOM LINE is whether what we DO produces our DEATH or our
LIFE, PERIOD.
Therefore, we must (see NOT OPTIONAL) strive, in order to save
our own arses, for a Governmental/Court System that does NOT
operate on a sliding scale of sophistic fun and games based on
loyalty to one Homo SAP tribe/government/corporation/Bar
association (you knew I would throw that in, didn't you? - I
know - it's dirty pool - but like it!) over another.
Well then, let's talk a bit about ethics that DON'T operate on a
sliding scale of "morality". Let's try to get a bird's eye view
of the BIG picture in regard to ethics.
Philosophy says this about that:
[quote]...The term "meta" means after or beyond, and,
consequently, the notion of metaethics involves a removed, or
bird's eye view of the entire project of ethics. We may define
metaethics as the study of the origin and meaning of ethical
concepts. When compared to normative ethics and applied ethics,
the field of metaethics is the least precisely defined area of
moral philosophy. It covers issues from moral semantics to moral
epistemology. ][/quote]
That doesn't seem to get us anywhere. But this is a good start.
[quote]Two issues, though, are prominent:
(1) metaphysical issues concerning whether morality exists
independently of humans, and
(2)psychological issues concerning the underlying mental basis
of our moral judgments and conduct. [/quote]
Since the metaphysical issue is a gigantic can of worms in
regard to ethics and morality, I have not referenced that
contentious area in formulating the utilitarian "math" of Golden
Rule Government.
[quote] ... area of meta-ethics involves the psychological basis
of our moral judgments and conduct, particularly understanding
what motivates us to be moral.
We might explore this subject by asking the simple question,
"Why be moral?" Even if I am aware of basic moral standards,
such as don't kill and don't steal, this does not necessarily
mean that I will be psychologically compelled to act on them.
Some answers to the question "Why be moral?" are to avoid
punishment, to gain praise, to attain happiness, to be
dignified, or to fit in with society.[/quote]
Many will claim THEIR "mental basis of moral judgements and
conduct is the only VALID mental basis for moral judgements and
conduct.
Without evidence to back this claim, they are just smoking that
crack pipe of "do as I say, not as I do". The "best of all
possible worlds" argument is also fallacious simply because all
the alternatives out there are willfully disdained, discarded or
simply ignored. See Procrustean bed.
The mental basis of our moral judgements and conduct can only be
justified if the following takes place as a result of the said
moral judgements and conduct:
1. A steadily improving and diverse fauna and flora in the
biosphere.
2. A steady Bioremediation of all toxins in the biosphere.
3. A steady and consistent policy of emulating nature in
bringing about a zero waste economy for the benefit of all
earthlings.
4. Equal protection among humans from other humans.
5. Equal representation among humans (vote, petition, proposed
legislation and law enforcement).
6. Equal access to services.
7. Equal punishment for wrong conduct.
8. Guaranteed Minimum standard of health, education and income
to insure the dignity of even the most poverty stricken,
disabled, handicapped or just plain dysfunctional from mental
disease or laziness. "A nation should not be judged by how it
treats its highest citizens, but its lowest ones." Gandhi
9. No statute of limitations on any crime for any reason and no
limited liability for any human in any form of business,
corporate charter, club, police, military governmental, bath
club, etc. You do the crime, you do the time and you pay your
share of the fine.
10. Legal tender laws are carbon footprint/energy based (yeah,
it's complicated but is VERY specific about SUBTRACTING the
value of any product the EXACT amount of planetary piggery used
to manufacture it, PERIOD.
Utopic? Nope. In fact, anything else, as in what we are doing
NOW, is criminally negligent suicide. The status quo is not a
measured, prudent, logical, or even social Darwinian approach to
survival of the species. And forget about thriving when you are
arrogantly eliminating diversity of life in a closed system such
as our biosphere without even understanding scientifically WTF
all these many and varied life forms out there do to contribute
to our welfare.
Get this, people. What we are doing IS NOT WORKING. What part of
that do you not understand? ???
As reasonable, logical, intelligent (and so on) humans, it's
time to give this strange idea born of the apparent benefits YOU
have gotten from the dysfunctional human structure that you are
not shooting yourself in the foot. Incremental measures and
working within the "system" are doomed to failure because the
"system" is based on unscientific principles of conquest.
We live in a closed system. A bubble of life, if you will. The
only morality of life is, hello?, A LIFE GIVING social
structure. Al the rest is baloney. We aren't talking about
singing cumbaya and dancing with permaculture flowers in our
head, people! we are talking about DOING THE MATH for a closed
SYSTEM called the biosphere! YES, there are scads of life forms
here that we can trample willy nilly and they don't fight back
because they aren't self aware. SO WHAT!!? Are you going to sit
there and tell me that we are going to promote LIFE by
continuing to increase the rate of DEATH of non-self aware
species as well as the MISERY of ours? GET OUTTA HERE with that
Orwellian mindfork!
So you don't believe in God or right or wrong. And? Do you
believe in breathing? Yep. Same with eating (and so on). See
defecating where you eat. We are there. What part of that can't
you wrap your head around? The MORALITY/ETHICS of a LIFE GIVING
modus operandi and modus vivendi are not optional if you want to
ensure the survival of your species. That is the math.
What's all that got to do with Golden Government Rule?
EVERYTHING!
[b]Let us now move to WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD, so to
speak.
[quote]Normative Ethics
Normative ethics involves arriving at moral standards that
regulate right and wrong conduct. In a sense, it is a search for
an ideal litmus test of proper behavior. The Golden Rule is a
classic example of a normative principle: We should do to others
what we would want others to do to us. Since I do not want my
neighbor to steal my car, then it is wrong for me to steal her
car. Since I would want people to feed me if I was starving,
then I should help feed starving people. Using this same
reasoning, I can theoretically determine whether any possible
action is right or wrong. So, based on the Golden Rule, it would
also be wrong for me to lie to, harass, victimize, assault, or
kill others. The Golden Rule is an example of a normative theory
that establishes a single principle against which we judge all
actions. Other normative theories focus on a set of foundational
principles, or a set of good character traits.
The key assumption in normative ethics is that there is only one
ultimate criterion of moral conduct, whether it is a single rule
or a set of principles.[/quote]
The Golden Rule Government social structure uses computers (a
LOT!) to DO THE MATH. This "math" is a biosphere life giving
math MORALITY that is sine qua none for the perpetuation of the
human species. You may say it is the formula for transitioning
from Homo SAP to Homo sapiens as a society. There are many among
us that are there already. But the Homo SAPS defending the
biosphere ignoring LAW of CONQUEST "morality" are in the way.
I will discuss how to, through friendly persuasion, logic,
prudent, measured, consistent, confident (and so on) PEACEFUL
activity (or the lack of it - lack of activity, RE, not lack of
peace - watch it! ;D), we can save our arses along with
thousands of other earthling species.
But not now. I want to see how the worthies here respond. If I
see genuine interest born of a realization of seriousness of our
plight and respect for the value of a REAL "do the math" Golden
Rule Government proposal, rather than accusations of ignorance,
puffery, hypocrisy or flatulence accompanied with disdain,
sarcasm or branding of my post as flower child whining utopian
blather, then I will get the message, loud and clear that, no
matter what the risk of our current suicidal trajectory, you are
not interested in a working solution and prefer the delusion
that incremental reforms (see lipstick on a four footed truffle
forager) will save Thelma and Louise from the laws of physics.
It is true, that once implemented, the Golden Rule Government
will be the new [i]"curia", among other things, but since the
status quo will fight to the death to prevent said system
change, the Golden Rule Government is an EX CURIA solution to
our dysfunctional and brutal system. And, of course, if you want
to implement Golden Rule Government, you are going to have
believe in it to the point of willing to lose everything you
have, including your life, simply for adopting the peaceful
activities (and lack of them) required to get the Homo SAPs to
wake up and smell the Grand Canyon of species extinction.
Sure, it might not work. But what we are doing now has a 100%
probability of not working. Stupid is as stupid does. Have a
nice day.[/i]
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Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes on what the LAW was
ALL ABOUT.
By: AGelbert Date: October 17, 2014, 7:47 pm
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Now for some serious Law stuff here!
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Ahem! My vast and
thorough perusal of jurisprudence (and juris-imprudence too!
;D) has uncovered these gems from a former Supreme Court Justice
with a love of Sherlock Holmes novels and an encyclopedic
knowledge of the law, why there is law, what it is supposed to
do, what it isn't supposed to do and, more importantly, what it
REALLY IS ALL ABOUT. 8)
[quote][font=times new roman]“Every society rests on the death
of men,” he liked to say. If a nation needs soldiers, it seizes
young men and marches them off to war at the point of a bayonet.
If an epidemic breaks out, it forces the public to get
vaccinated.[/font][/quote]
He said THIS, which sounds quite good as a defense of the Court
system. ;)
[quote][font=times new roman]The [b]language of judicial
decision is mainly the language of logic. And the logical method
and form flatter that longing for certainty and for repose which
is in every human mind. But certainty generally is illusion, and
repose is not the destiny of man.[/b][/font][/quote]
As a
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Notice he DID NOT say that ALL judicial decisions are BASED on
LOGIC, although one COULD interpret that quote in said legalese
fashion.
But other famous quotes from him show that he knew the score and
wanted us to know it as well. 8)
[quote][font=times new roman]Law is not being based on logic,
but on experience.
Most of the things we do, we do for no better reason than that
our fathers have done them or our neighbors do them, and the
same is true of a larger part than what we suspect of what we
think.
A man is usually more careful of his money than of his
principles.
Young man, the secret of my success is that an early age I
discovered that I was not God.
Certitude is not the test of certainty. We have been c ocksure
of many things that were not so.
Any two philosophers can tell each other all they know in two
hours.
Don't be 'consistent,' but be simply true.
Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at the touch,
nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will
be round and full at evening.
Every event that a man would master must be mounted on the run,
and no man ever caught the reins of a thought except as it
galloped past him.
Man's mind, stretched by a new idea, never goes back to its
original dimensions.
Beware how you take away hope from any human being.
The only prize much cared for by the powerful is
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He knew government is a compromise where the citizenry gets
certain benefits but the lion's share of those "benefits" will
always be controlled by an elite establishment. I think he just
didn't want the elite establishment to become a dictatorship.
But, considering the goons that populated the high court then,
he was a breath of fresh air; a very BRIEF breath of fresh air
in our descent into empire and fascism. :(
Please excuse this blatant and coarse attempt by yours truly to
use the old appeal to authority fallacious debating trick to
sound erudite, polished, knowledgeable of law (and so on, etc.
;D). I protest any accusation of low class buffoonery!
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I never met Oliver
Wendell Holmes and never argued a case before him! So there! If
he happens to be on the same page as I am on issues of LAW and
juris-imprudence, good for him! ( and me ;D - Any port in the
storm and all that. ) ;D
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