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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: October 15, 2014, 9:56 pm
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I learned a neat trick while I was having pro se fun with civil
court judges. When you file a motion, NEVER ask for more than
one thing. There "keen" legal minds have difficulty
concentrating on more than one item at a time. ;D
Not really! :( They get it just fine. ;) They just use
multiple points of law on ONE motion to IGNORE the ones they
don't wish to "discuss", shall we say. It's an old trick. It
worked for a while and then bank lawyer decided to play fast and
loose with the one of two Court orders I got the judge to
generate (to get the bank to take a firm legal - i.e. illegal
;)- position of debt solidarity involving multiple signatures on
a note so I could stop their claim to [i]conditio iuris basis in
law for the lawsuit[/i]).
After the ten days to answer went by and the bank lawyer was
still sitting on her hands fishing for a summary judgement, I
tried to get the judge to slap a contempt charge on the bank
lawyer by being VERY specific about times and dates with the old
ONE motion per charge trick. Knowing she couldn't dance around
it, the bank lawyer whipped off a motion claiming she HAD
answered the Court order in a timely fashion. The judge accepted
it. :emthdown:
But get this, the Court Order she had answered was ANOTHER Court
order issued six days before that and the judge TOTALLY played
dumb, stupid and ignorant. She is nothing of the kind. She is
just a dancing POS in a corrupt court system that will ignore
whatever they want to ignore, no matter how well you present
your case. The amended bank lawsuit rubber stamped by the judge
was the sloppiest piece of shit I have ever seen with duplicated
text and several nunc pro tunc (typographical mistakes that can,
and do, get ignored UNLESS you are pro se, of course ;)).
But, all in all, it was quite educational, enlightening,
revealing (and so on. etc. ;D) of the amazing amount of pretzel
logic, rampant, socially corrosive bank ass kissing that goes
on in our dysfunctional court system. It has enabled me to,
shall we say, have a better grasp of our suicidal trajectory.
Unfortunately (depending upon your point of view ;)), it is
having a deleterious effect on my ignorance of the LAW. ;D
Uhm,, I think I have a graphic that explains the Court System at
present. It is, after all, the result of a long, long, long
tradition of coercive power granted for our good, peace,
civilization, equitable (see definition of "legal" LOL!) society
(and so on) of course. Gott mit uns! ;D
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SEE BELOW: TRUTH that provides EVIDENCE supporting your charge
that the Courts ARE NOT stopping the LAWLESSNESS of COP
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Despite court rulings, people are still getting arrested for
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By Radley Balko May 13, 2014 
The Associated Press reports that police in Chicopee, Mass.,
have arrested and charged a woman for allegedly recording her
arrest with her cellphone surreptitiously. :emthdown: :(
When you see one of these stories, please remember that it is
perfectly legal to record on-duty police in every state in the
country. ;D That includes states that require all parties to a
conversation to consent in order for that conversation to be
recorded. Those laws all also contain a provision that the
non-consenting party has a reasonable expectation of privacy. So
far, every court to rule on this issue has found that on-duty
cops in public spaces have no expectation of privacy and that
recording them is protected by the First Amendment.
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U.S. Supreme Court
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he
charges are eventually dismissed. (The exception may be if
you’re arrested under some broad, catch-all law such as
“interfering with a police officer” or disorderly conduct. ;)
But even those charges don’t usually stick.)
But Massachusetts is the one state where the right is still just
a little bit ambiguous.
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/>At one time, some of the state’s courts did allow for citizens
to be arrested for recording cops under the state’s wiretapping
law (which, again, required all parties to consent before a
conversation could be recorded). Illinois also once had an even
more onerous law, but it was struck down by the U.S. Court of
Appeals for the Seventh Circuit in 2012 on First Amendment
grounds.
In 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit issued
a similar decision. The court allowed Simon Glik’s lawsuit
against the police officers who arrested him for recording them
to go forward, again finding a First Amendment right to record
on-duty law enforcement. But in that case, Glik was recording
the officers openly. The court’s ruling applied only to that
case, leaving open the possibility that someone could still be
arrested for making a surreptitious recording of an on-duty cop.
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/> And that’s what happened in this latest case. ;D
If this case gets to the First Circuit, I suspect this charge
will also be thrown out. It’s notable that the Glik decision
didn’t even deal with whether there is a legal right to record
police in Massachusetts. It dealt with whether cops who
illegally arrest someone for recording them should be protected
by qualified immunity. In order to get into court against a
police officer, you have to demonstrate not only that the
officer violated your constitutional rights, but also that the
rights violated were well established at the time. (Perversely,
this provides a financial incentive for police organizations to
keep cops in the dark about the latest court decisions with
respect to constitutional rights.)
So while the First Circuit ruling in Glik didn’t apply to
surreptitious recording of police officers, it did find that not
only is the right to record on-duty police permitted, it’s a
well-established right that police should be aware of by now,
and that if they violate that right, they can be sued for doing
so. It seems unlikely that the same court will then turn around
and uphold a separate arrest simply because the woman didn’t
tell the police she was recording them.
If I lived in Chicopee, however, I’d wonder why this woman was
charged for allegedly recording her arrest in the first place.
:icon_scratch: Prosecutors have lots of discretion about when
to charge someone and about what charges to bring. They are
under no obligation to charge every person who breaks every law
— it would be impossible for them to do so. And there’s
certainly no obligation to latch on to the narrowness of a court
decision that otherwise indicated a First Amendment right to
record police as an opportunity to charge someone for doing just
that, simply because she might fall slightly outside the scope
of that particular ruling. Just because the courts haven’t yet
ruled that police and prosecutors can’t do something doesn’t
mean it’s something they should do.
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So if I lived in Chicopee, I’d want to know why Hampden County
District Attorney Mark G. Mastroianni charged this woman. Does
he believe it should be illegal to record the police? And if so,
why?
Radley Balko blogs about criminal justice, the drug war and
civil liberties for The Washington Post. He is the author of the
book "Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America's
Police Forces."
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Agelbert Note: So now the cops invent OTHER charges to get an
EXCUSE to confiscate your video.
:
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/> The cops will continue to HARASS people because, regardless o
f
the Court decisions, if a JUDGE does not FORCE the DAs to read
the riot act to all the COPS, they will continue to do this SHIT
BECAUSE THEY CAN. :emthdown: Don't hold your breath waiting for
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is
USELESS as tits on a boar hog!
Don't believe anybody that claims there is no alternative UNLESS
they agree to discuss the MERITS of present fascist LAWLESS (but
legal ;)) LAWS and proposed replacements to our Court System in
a clam and respectful, rather than a disdainful and dismissive
manner. To claim no alternative has merit when they refuse to
discuss the merits of the present system as opposed to a
replacement is circular logic of the most entertaining table
pounding sort. But it don't make a lick of sense. :icon_sunny:
police state definition. A nation whose rulers maintain order
and obedience by the threat of police ;D or military force; one
with a brutal, arbitrary government. The American Heritage® New
Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition Copyright © 2005
by Houghton Mifflin Company.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: December 14, 2014, 1:21 pm
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Santa came a day late to my home!
By: AGelbert Date: December 26, 2014, 9:52 pm
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I am filing a formal protest!
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I realize Santa DID bring me an excellent gift :emthup:
:emthup: :emthup: :icon_sunny: but really, this is most
irregular.
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I think I'm going to have to have a talk with Fazio, He has used
his knowledge of my love of felines to play a practical joke on
me with Santa's cooperation. And the NAMES (Mouser, Pouncer,
Bounder, Scratchem, FastPaw, LitterKing and NightEyes) Santa
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Santa gave me a rather threadbare excuse for this "experiment".
I am not amused!
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: January 2, 2015, 12:41 pm
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: January 29, 2015, 8:26 pm
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[quote author=Ashvin link=topic=4157.msg65990#msg65990
date=1422573532]
[quote author=agelbert link=topic=4157.msg65975#msg65975
date=1422567086]
So yeah, Ashvin, prison conversion for humanity beats the hell
out of dying wallowing in pleasure while pursuing a dynasty of
material wealth for your family, as is the case among 99% of the
well-to-do now. Three cheers for scaring the SELFISHNESS out of
humanity (even if it's temporary
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I have no problem prison conversions. It seems to me that faith
is strongest when it's tested. Tim Keller has a saying - 'faith
is tested by how we react to two opposite things, prosperity and
adversity'. Or as Augustine said much earlier, "Lord, whether
prosperity smile or adversity frown, let your praise be ever in
my mouth". The strongest conversions then would be people who
turn to God when they are doing really well or when they are
doing really poorly.
The problem is when we move from the individual scale to large
groups of people who are convinced that world-ending changes are
imminent. The parallel would be when large amounts of people are
convinced that their surroundings will steadily become better
over time. I think both evoke a sort of societal immobilization,
crippling people from embracing any genuine transformation or
self-sacrifice. Of course there are exceptions, but generally it
seems the NTE crowd and Cornucopians are playing two sides of
the same materialist coin.
P.S. To address your earlier question, I think the world would
be a better place if more people did what I do. More accurately,
I think it would be better if more people DIDN'T do what I don't
do. Or even more accurately, if they thought the way I (and many
others here) do. But it would still be far from perfect.[/quote]
Ashvin,
Well said. A plethora of wise sayings and proverbs over the ages
supports the view that fair weather folks mostly don't hold to
their principles when the weather turns sour, so to speak.
Actions are the only real measure of a person's character.
But I was mostly referring to the types who totally eschew
morality as a guiding principle. Good times always reinforces
their world view and bad times is the only thing that will
possibly undermine it. During a bad period, they hunt for a
chump to take the rap, so to speak, so they don't have to face
the music.
If it is established that EVERYBODY has to face that "music",
then the morality challenged folks will have no legacy, no
offspring to leave a dynasty to, be faced with the reality of,
not just dying, but no memory of their existence and sense of
privileged existence that they pride themselves in having
"earned".
These types have no faith to test. When they have ZERO evidence
of GAIN from their "physical cause and effect is IT" world view,
the possibility of them thinking outside their materialistic
"box" exists. That possibility does not exist any other way.
Those wealthy people that have seen through the emptiness of the
materialistic world view, like Augustine, are such an extreme
minority (99.999th percentile or less) that they simply cannot
be considered representative of normal human psychology. J.C.
wasn't kidding when he mentioned that eye of a needle and a
camel.
My deceased brother-in-law was one of those. He was QUITE
wealthy. We were discussing spirituality and what God expects us
to do in this life back in 1992. He was a clever fellow. He had
my number so he was always sure to speak about how we must obey
God to do the "right thing" all the time. ;) I told him that
obeying God was not easy and serving God means being willing to
give EVERYTHING up, including the respect of one's family, if
need be. He said "Nobody is going to take what I have from me."
You see, being such a clever fellow, he thought I was conning
him the way he conned everybody he talked to. He figured I was
going to hit him up for some cash, I suppose. So, he sent the
SIGNAL that he didn't swallow any wooden nickels. ;) So it goes
with these successful business types.
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He died of cancer at around 53 years of age (2013). When the
stage IV diagnosis was final, he said, "After all my sacrifices,
why me?".
This fine fellow refused to make a will and left a massive bag
of worms that his children are fighting over. My wife tried to
talk to him about it and he said he could not because it caused
him "too much stress". Please bear in mind that this guy was
POWER OF POSITIVE THINKING on steroids! He was a bicycle racing
fanatic and he sold and raced jet skis and motorcycles (at an
earlier age). He had his kids so indoctrinated on mind over
matter that his daughter claims to this day that her father died
because he "gave up."!
The guy was a health food nut all his life and had never gone to
or needed a doctor until the colon cancer. He had symptoms for
YEARS and he flat refused to acknowledge them while he kept
eating seaweed capsules and all kinds of other stuff the health
food nuts eat. He would weigh himself every day. He would
excoriate people for failing (not making enough money ;D) by
claiming (see Oprah :icon_mrgreen:) they "attracted" failure
with their "attitude". Touchy feely was not his thing. 8)
My, what an AMAZINGLY CONVENIENT way to give the finger to
friends in need through happy talk psychobabble.
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But don't think he was the violent type. He wasn't. He was an
excellent debater and rarely raised his voice. I have seldom. if
ever, met a person more sure of himself. He had a buck passing
answer for everything that might cost him some money while not
missing a verbal beat in letting everyone know what a great guy
he was and so on. Such a clever fellow...
He really believed in mind over matter. More specifically, HIS
MIND over everybody's matter. :evil4: When he finally realized
it was not working, he did not want to talk about it. Claiming
he was ready to "Go to God", he was hiding the location and
amount of his considerable pecuniary assets for the exclusive
benefit of two of his three children. I know this because his
daughter slipped up in a conversation with her aunt (my wife)
recently by stating that she was not aware during high school
that she was a millionaire.
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My cancer doomed brother-in-law refused to even make an
affidavit attesting that the motorcycle shop building was
jointly owned by his brother. Consequently, his brother got
shafted, two of his children are living high on the hog (his
daughter moved to Beverly Hills and paid a YEAR's rent in
advance for an apartment there.) and his oldest son, the one he
did not get along with, received ZIP.
This is EVIDENCE that this brother-in-law, faced with death,
could still not shake his GREED. He did the old 'pass the
privilege to those who he decided deserved it' THING the rich,
greedball, acquisitive types commonly do because of their
arrogance.
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Well, SOMEBODY DID take everything he had away from him. Call it
cancer or call it God. Either way, he deluded himself into
believing he had an OUT. That OUT was favoring those he wanted
to prosper materially.
This is why I insist that the only way these fine folks with
gobs of money GET IT that their money does not mean ZIP, is when
they are TOTALLY out of options. The eye of that needle is very,
very narrow and rich camels are very ,very fat. Without divine
intervention, only a looming catastrophe can get these morality
challenged rich folks to see the big picture.
Ashvin, this famous Theologian and philosopher defines Hell. It
is a very brief definition. He can talk for hours (lots of
U-tube lectures) on the Myth of Secular Progress so I am certain
that he has more to say about Hell. But it is appropriate to
present it here because, according to his definition,
materialist are already there, so to speak. In fact, anyone who
claims total freedom from ethical behavior IS THERE, according
to him. A looming catastrophe might get them to leave the
earthly door to Hell, so to speak.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: January 30, 2015, 5:45 pm
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UFOs & Govt. the Smoking Gun Evidence :o
Published on Nov 24, 2013
A look at what the governments of the United States, England,
and Belgium could know about the existence of UFOs, and studies
what some say is smoking gun evidence of a web of secrecy.
UFO conspiracy theory argues that evidence of unidentified
flying objects and extraterrestrial visitors is being suppressed
by various governments around the world.
According to David Morrison, fellow at the Committee for
Skeptical Inquiry, such theories are backed by little or no
evidence.
However, many well-credentialed people claim that there is an
overarching cover-up of the subject by the U.S. Government.
Former Senator Mike Gravel, claims that the White House is
suppressing, ignoring and/or marginalizing evidence. Many
generals, pilots, and government officials who have gone on
record to state the same thing.
Conspiracy believers commonly argue that Earth governments,
especially the Government of the United States, are in
communication and/or cooperation with extraterrestrials despite
public claims to the contrary, and further that some of these
theories claim that the governments are explicitly allowing
alien abduction. British researchers have found some evidence of
suppression of UFO incidents by governments during the Cold War
but have found no evidence of it having a conspiratorial nature.
The motive is attributed to the governments' desire to avoid
admitting that they could not explain the UFO phenomenon and its
associated hysteria.
Some civilians suggest that they have been abducted, some among
them saying that they were also subjected to extensive physical
examinations and others adding that tissue samples including
sperm and ova were taken from them. The contention that there is
a widespread cover-up of UFO information is not limited to the
general public or the UFO research community. For example, a
1971 survey of Industrial Research/Development magazine found
that 76% of those participating in the survey felt the
government was not revealing all it knew about UFOs, 54% thought
UFOs definitely or probably existed, and 32% thought UFOs came
from outer space.
Notable persons to have publicly stated that UFO evidence is
being suppressed include Senator Barry Goldwater, Admiral Lord
Hill-Norton (former NATO head and chief of the British Defence
Staff), Brigadier General Arthur Exon (former commanding officer
of Wright-Patterson AFB), Vice Admiral Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter
(first CIA director), astronauts Gordon Cooper and Edgar
Mitchell, former Canadian Defence Minister Paul Hellyer, and the
1999 French COMETA report by various French generals and
aerospace experts..
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BY THE WAY, the "Belgian Wave" discussed in the above video was
precisely when I saw some UFOs (in Puerto Rico!) that I have
reported on here (April 9, 1990). They must have done the grand
tour of the planet of the naked killer apes and wanted to take
in some Caribbean fun while they were at it. :o :icon_mrgreen:
The following is a true story
I was in a parking lot overlooking a city watching the moon rise
at about 9:00 P.M. There were about 20 other people there
listening to their radios and drinking beer. I wasn't drinking.
I saw this weird cloud about 5 miles away boiling like a tornado
cell. It seemed to be backlit (not by moonlight) but there was
no sound of thunder from cloud internal lightning. People
started saying "look at that and ooooh and aaaah".
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This went on for about 5 minutes and two lights shot out of the
cloud at least 1,000 mph (I'm a pilot and atc at this time so I
had a very good grasp of distances and speeds). One was red and
one was blue. The red one headed north (I was facing east
towards the cloud and the moon) and the blue one headed south
for a mile or so and did a hair pin turn and caught up to the
red one headed north. They grew brighter and whiter and
disappeared.
It all happened in less than a minute after they shot out of the
cloud. I was smoking a cigarette and was amazed at this
"whatever" display of acrobatics and speed.
I heard a muffled pop like when you pop a paper bag. I looked
left and I saw the first light ball. Then POP, POP. Two more
appeared out of nowhere right before my eyes (no doubt some kind
of interdimensional movement similar to what you mentioned and
what occurs constantly in the electron clouds around an atomic
nucleus).
I just stared at these majestic looking things that reminded me
of a Dandelion seed Ball with clear Lucite rods sticking out.
They where white and translucent, not yellow as portrayed. The
center was compact. They floated south a few feet from me
rotating lightly (the lateral rods were near stationary while
the most forward and rear rods appeared to roll clockwise
through the air two feet or so from the asphalt (the rate of
roll did not coincide to the asphalt below like tire movement
does). The asphalt was lit up by these things as they passed by.
It took no more than a couple of minutes. Think of a feather
floating in a whisper of a breeze.
Then the lead one Popped and disappeared, followed in sequence
by the other two. I caught a flash of light entering the cloud
miles away and then the cloud stopped boiling and assumed a
typical cloud appearance. I was sorry I hadn't tried to touch
one.
I didn't know anyone there so I didn't talk to anyone but people
appeared pretty dumbfounded. I left a few minutes later. I've
never made heads or tails of this experience. If the balls ARE
energy creatures, they must have had a good time but made no
effort to communicate. If they are vehicles, whatever pilots
them is no bigger than a rabbit. Whatever they are, I do not
think they are from Earth. It appears that there are some ETs
out there that aren't shaped like us and prefer the sea urchin
star shape.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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Please excuse the reference to fossil fuels. :P It's an old
expression about valuing a discussion that has proceeded in a
logical and truthful manner. 8)
WHD,
Than you. You are absolutely right that I am hypersensitive;
been that way since I was knee high to a grasshopper. In the FAA
people would say, that I was "too" sensitive. I would respond
that I would prefer being overly sensitive than insufficiently
sensitive (i.e. I don't DO insensitive).
In fact, I am convinced that YOU are a rather sensitive fellow
and a genius in your own right. You figured it out and didn't
buy the BAU bullshit. You knew it would you cost you to have
principles. Yet you retained them. That's defined as lack of CFS
by the apex predators that run the joint. I define it as doing
the right thing, come hell or high water. You are there. GOOD!
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But who knows? I may be projecting NOW by cleverly trying to
flatter you into taking seriously my 'making it up as I go along
just to be controversial' "baloney".
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But
really, you know that's not the way I roll. I may be a tad on
the histrionic side (cue to - it must be his "latin" heritage
LOL!) but you've never seen me get too exercised about total
collapse from lack of fossil fuels, have you? I've been accused
of being a tecno-fix wishful thinker more than once. Guilty! :(
I can be incorrigibly optimistic at times. But I have never
based a word I have written here or anywhere else on deliberate
falsehoods, pie in the sky or any other bit of razzle dazzle
rhetoric just for the fun of it; I formulate my views on
evidence (I am ashamed to say even my spiritual views are
formulated on evidence - useless to most other people because it
is 100% anecdotal - I did NOT 'make that up as I went along' but
that's another subject. 8)).
Sure, I have several bones to pick, so to speak, with so-called
modern civilization, the consensus that mankind has progressed
due to secular humanism and so on. I'm not happy, to put it
mildly, with how I have been treated and how I have been denied
several opportunities in life despite being more gifted than my
peers. But, hey, you can always say that is why losers pursue
Christianity, right? They get the goodies they never got here in
the next life. That's MKing's view, I'm sure.
My dad agreed with it. He called me Intelliburro. He knew that I
knew the score and refused, from lack of CFS, to 'play the game'
(shit can the conscience for good pay). Martyr complex, anyone?
Inferiority complex, anyone? Superiority complex, anyone?
Delusional fellow thinks he's hot snot but is really a cold
boogar, anyone? Whatever. ::) I sleep quite well at night, in
my view, BECAUSE I tell people exactly what I think is true and
exactly what I think is false in no uncertain terms.
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So, that leaves all those prudent, measured, cold blooded fine
fellows that don't DO sensitive (because they consider it
emotional, irrational, hysterical, illogical and so on) open to
discard my "histrionics".
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But I think they are punting
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BECAUSE what I say IS
logical but uncomfortable to their paradigm
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What you did with Mary Shweitzer was an excellent example of
punting. You are a capable wordsmith. You know exactly what I
said and how I said it. I won't split hairs with you. Mary
Shweitzer published credentialed research on T-Rex soft tissue
(blood vessels and collagen) and hemoglobin, period. You said
that was false. It was true. What the "earth is 6,000 years old"
wishful thinking folks tried to make out of it is not relevant.
However, it IS USEFUL to use the creationist histrionics to
undermine the credibility of the evidence in general, is it not?
I'm being "hypersensitive" by becoming somewhat discomfited by
being called a liar? I don't think so. If I get a rep for
pushing WAY OUT THERE stuff (with your help ;D) what does that
do to my claims of ancient High Tech, HUH?
So, YEAH, in a world where being INsensitive is celebrated as
favoring logic and reason, when what it actually favors is the
shit canning of ethics and principles, feel free to label me as
"hyper" sensitive.
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I agree that one must not get burned out on anything and a
healthy outlook requires a sense of humor. Old dogs should
always be prepared, ready and willing to learn new tricks. But I
enjoy a good rant as much as you do.
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AZ,
I don't question the age of the rocks. I do, however, question
the dating of fossils in the rocks and the man made artifacts
found in the rocks. The point is we should proceed with the view
that "anomalous" findings in the fossil record and evidence of
high tech in ancient artifacts CANNOT be discarded just because
it doesn't "fit" the Darwinian paradigm.
Yet modern science REFUSES to even contemplate the possibility
that we are Devolving, even though that is precisely what any
OBSERVABLE phenotype appearance and genotype whittling events
due to natural selection (dogs, bacteria, etc.) provides
evidence for. Things ARE winding DOWN, not up. But that's
another subject. And a sore one at that BECAUSE the secular
humanists will IMMEDIATELY equate it to bible thumping "the fall
of man through sin" stuff. It's just another subject that the
SO-CALLED logical thinkers cannot deal with reasonably.
I know you see everything in a light and vibrations paradigm. I
just ask you to look for more common ground with the other world
views so that you won't be dismissed outright. If you want
people to listen to you, provide some evidence they can deal
with.
I have seen some really weird stuff coming out in science now.
They put stretched cloth over a speaker pointed up. The cloth is
flat. Then they spread tiny particles of some type of sand or
dust on the cloth. Different sounds began to produce some
spectacular symmetrical shapes! WEIRD stuff. But beautiful too.
Then it gets really crazy. They found a frequency that matches a
carving in some ancient stone perfectly. There is a lot we don't
understand about frequencies in sound as well as the total
electromagnetic spectrum.
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Ashvin,
I hear ya. But don't you think that granite vase is pretty
convincing of ancient high tech? And what about the marks on the
workpieces that nobody understood until we had machines that
make those kinds of marks in modern industry? That is evidence,
not hearsay.
As to ET presence evidence, I agree that what we-the-people have
access to is circumstantial. But here's one you will have some
fun with as a lawyer. There is a tribe in Africa that science
had to make up a tall tale (otherwise know as credible
"scientific" speculation. LOL!) about. You see, they had
astronomical information in their (strictly) oral tradition that
they could not have had without telescopes. You see, what
happened is that white explorers who knew about astronomy taught
one or more tribal elders the astronomical information. Nothing
to see here. Move along.
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The problem is that said tribe is a wee bit more into astronomy
than just having knowledge of Sirius A, B and possibly C. That
dog gone Dogon tribe thinks they were given the info by aliens!
And that's part of their religion BEFORE they were ever
contacted by Western "civilization".
I have not looked deeply into it but I know that Science is very
quick to delegitimize any idea that ET has been or is here while
simultaneously supporting gobs of money being spent on radio
telescopes to find ET. But this "hypothesis" (whitey gave them
the info) was accepted without a SHRED of proof that the tribe
had been contacted and given the astronomical data.
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Dogon and Sirius
[quote]Certain researchers investigating the Dogon have reported
that they seem to possess advanced astronomical knowledge, the
nature and source of which have subsequently become embroiled in
controversy. From 1931 to 1956 the French anthropologist Marcel
Griaule studied the Dogon. This included field missions ranging
from several days to two months in 1931, 1935, 1937 and 1938[28]
and then annually from 1946 until 1956.[29][/quote]
SNIPPET 2:
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Oberg points out a number of errors contained in the Dogon
beliefs, including the number of moons possessed by Jupiter,
that Saturn was the furthest planet from the sun, and the only
planet with rings. Intrigue of other seemingly falsifiable
claims, namely concerning a red dwarf star orbiting around
Sirius (not hypothesized until the 1950s) led him to entertain a
previous challenge by Temple, asserting that "Temple offered
another line of reasoning. 'We have in the Dogon information a
predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of
our preconceptions.' One example: 'If a Sirius-C is ever
discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the
Dogon information has been fully validated.'
This alludes to reports that the Dogon knew of another star in
the Sirius system, Ęmmę Ya, or a star "larger than
Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." In 1995,
gravitational studies indeed showed the possible presence of a
brown dwarf star orbiting around Sirius (a Sirius-C) with a
six-year orbital period.[47] A more recent study using advanced
infrared imaging concluded that the probability of the existence
of a triple star system for Sirius is "now low" but could not be
ruled out because the region within 5 AU of Sirius A had not
been covered.[48][/quote] :o
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Eddie,
Good link. By the way, there's a sunken city off of India
recently discovered that SEEMS to date prior to 9,500 BC
(possibly up to 32,000 years ago). It's no stone age village,
either. Over 250 separate cultures have a flood narrative. That
cannot be a coincidence. There was a worldwide flood probably
about 12,500 years ago caused by God knows what (super
nova/meteor strike/volcanism maybe?) in addition to simple
glacial melting.
Considering that most of the population NOW lives near sea
level, which is quite a bit HIGHER than t was back then, a huge
flood back then with lots of tectonic stuff thrown in would send
them back to the stone age pretty quick.
Recently they discovered that Ceasarea port, a port built by
King Herod (No, he was not a fictional character. But hey, if
people can claim J.C. wasn't real, they'll be throwing in Herod,
David and Solomon too before long in the "fictional" category.
LOL!) sank because the hydraulic concrete pier structure
gradually sank into the sand base. They did not put pilings into
bed rock like they do now. There was no big cataclysmic
earthquake and tidal wave like the one that did Alexandria in.
There is a LOT we don't know. I just get real tired of the
scientific community's assumption that, until THEY admit
something is real or even plausible, we are not supposed to.
FUCK THAT! Those people are not high priests and they sure are
not basing SPECULATION about whether there were or were not
humans with high tech in the ancient past on anything but
CONJECTURE. Their "absence of evidence" claim is incredibly
convenient in the face of the FILTER they put out there to admit
something IS evidence.
They just LOOK THE OTHER WAY when something doesn't "fit".
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A great example is that dinosaur carved in a temple. It's total
bullshit to claim it was just a stone carver with a vivid
imagination. But they KNOW where the admission that those
ancients saw dinos would lead them so they LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
In South America they found hard evidence of a tribe that is
African. Their cave paintings show them fighting a giant
"Armadillo" (supposedly common in South America at the time...).
GIANT Armadillo!!!? I looked at the rock painting and it could
have been a dino easy. The thing was the size of an elephant
with short legs. I swear they just keep force fitting new
findings into their "scientific" procrustean bed paradigm. Sure,
lots of good science is done. But the INSTANT something doesn't
"fit", out it goes. That's not science.
At any rate, that's why I focus on fossils, artifacts, skulls
and other physical objects that cannot be ignored as being real.
Also, as a former air traffic controller and pilot, I have a lot
of respect for pilot testimony and USAF personnel testimony as
well. These people HATE to talk against the system. I was there.
I know how they think. When they come forward, they are telling
the gospel truth. It's PAINFUL for them to lie.
They are not run of the mill people. But most civilians cannot
understand that. In fact, since so many representatives of the
military in the top brass are such bold faced liars, people
assume the underlings are the same. NOPE! In the military, if
you lie, you get in deep trouble very quickly. Weird, I know.
Considering they are trained to destroy without conscience. But
witness testimony of ET encounters by USAF personnel should be
considered HARD EVIDENCE in a court of law.
UB,
Fascinating info from that taxi driver that did some archeology.
All the questions Ashvin (and all the rest of us have) have
about ET are moot if we can't get "in your face" evidence to
everyone out there that they are here.
But let me speculate. I have previously mentioned that they may
view us as a biologist views a lion pride with tool making
abilities. A male lion will kill the offspring of another male
lion if he can. The biologist does not interfere.
So it goes with ET up to a point. If the lion pride is causing
it's major source of food supply to go extinct, the biologist
may intervene, not just for the lion pride, but for the prey
species too as a matter of biosphere balance.
Either way, the motives of the biologist when dealing with
others of his species are quite different from those when
dealing with the animals he/she/it/we/they study. Lions are
sometimes darted so they can have a dangling tooth or a broken
jaw repaired. The lion has no memory of when or how this was
done. Also, others of the biologist's species may just want to
kill the lion to get a trophy. It's a jungle out there.
WHERE do we get the idea that being self aware and sentient
makes us BETTER, NICER or SUPERIOR? What's or track record? Why
do we assume that IF some ETs are around AND they have superior
technology, they are going to be just as "NICE" as Homo saps
are?
Stephen Hawking wants no part of them. He says we should stop
trying to communicate with them because, if they get wind of our
existence, we will get the same "treatment" as Columbus gave the
native Americans.
So we go round and round. ET isn't going to pay the rent so why
talk about it? Because the assholes running the joint DON'T WANT
TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE SECOND FIDDLE! That's why!
But one might say there is no evidence that they can do "stuff"
to TPTB if they want to. There is. THEY, in the 60s, on film,
took a MIRV (multiple independent reentry vehicle) on a missile
shot downrange in the Pacific and CAREFULLY zapped it several
times and destroyed it. WE didn't do that. The Russians didn't
do that. Who else but ET could do that?
Again, NONE of the WHYS are answerable until they are willing to
converse publicly with the intelligent tool making naked killer
apes. But we have a REAL PROBLEM with TPTB going bat shit insane
with their profit over planet apex predator religion. So let's
keep reminding these fucks that they are taking a long walk off
a short pier if they keep insisting on this Wall Street
insanity, not just from us, but from the new sheriff in town.
Am I making his up as I go along? NOPE. But TPTB are. Don't let
them. They are lying to us to preserve their profits and power.
Keep pushing for disclosure.
Finally, I am NOT concerned about getting "accepted" in the
galactic fraternity or whatever. If they haven't squished us
like a bug, by now, they probably won't. And I don't think the
ET species are like the Skull and Bones at Yale where you have
to "meet certain qualifications" to get promoted into the IN
CROWD. But it's possible. We have pecking order, so maybe they
have it too.
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My Cousin, The Movie Star With a Conscience.
He acted with Meryl Streep, Elizabeth Taylor, Harrison Ford and
other top movie stars. He began in theater and went on to movies
later in life.
I will talk about the stuff not published. Raulito, as he was
called in the family, was a very intelligent and talented man.
He could sing beautifully and he could leave rolling on the
floor with his jokes. They guy was an absolute riot to be
around.
[quote]I remember I was like five or six years old; I played the
devil. That was my first role.[/quote]
But above and beyond that, he had a heart for the poor and
downtrodden in this world. He never ceased to do whatever he
could to help them. But first he had to overcome the obstacles
placed in his path to stardom.
The first obstacle was his parents. My old man was really tight
with his old man (they were first cousins). They both had a
super macho outlook on life, liked to clown around at parties,
had talent for singing, playing the guitar ( my father) and
telling great jokes (Raulito's father).
They were both womanizers while being strict disciplinarians
with their children (quite common in Spanish culture). His old
man married a rich girl (only 15 at the time!) so he was
basically set for life. His wife was a devout Catholic church
goer like my mother.
That made my mom and his mom great friends too. They were both
stoic ladies that looked the other way while their "childish"
husbands fooled around. Raulito was several years older than me
and I grew up mostly in the states side so I didn't get to know
him until I was around 15 when the first tragedy in Raulito's
life occurred.
At the time, his mom wanted him to be a priest and his dad
wanted him to be a lawyer. Raulito tried the seminary but
dropped out, to his mother's chagrin. He was faced with the
alternative of becoming a lawyer. Being a top student, he could
have become whatever he wanted, but he wanted to be an actor.
His parents were not having THAT! It's okay to express talent in
singing, dancing, telling jokes and general enetertainment
purposes at parties, but upper crust Spanish society frowns on
the acting profession as one for low life morality free
bohemians. The upper crust does all THEIR morality free stuff
out of the public view, you see. It's a scandal to have a
serious boy "doing stuff" in the theater or movies. So there!
But the excesses of Raulito's dad were creating great stresses
for his mom. She was very straight laced and Raulito's dad,
unlike my dad, was too damned indiscrete about his philandering.
Then Rafaelito, Raulito's young brother about my age, was killed
in a car accident. The driver and front seat passenger survived
unscathed. The driver was speeding on the, just inaugurated, new
expressway and lost control of the car. It slide sideways into a
concrete base light pole which split the car in two. The two
rear passengers were killed instantly. Rafaelito was one of
them.
His parents received a life insurance payment of around $20,000.
Raulito's dad (Raul) chartered a mediterranian cruise on a
sailboat with an all woman crew for a month or so for about
$15,000 (1962 approximate time) to "get over his grief". He
left his wife, two daughters and Raulito in Puerto Rico to get
over their grief in church. WTF!!?
I am 100% certain that Raulito, who was very close with his mom
and loved Rafaelito dearly, was not pleased. Raulito then made
the decison to discard the desires of his old man (that Raulito
study law) and decided to become an actor, even if he might go
hungry doing it.
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There is something else you should know that never made the
papers. Raulito's first fiance was also killed in a car accident
within a year or so of his bother's death {head on collision by
drunk driver). I never met her or his first wife. I met his
second wife in 1987.
So, when Raulito began his acting career, he was already quite
familiar with strong emotional pain. He was a method actor. If
he was going to play a lawyer, he would study law. If he was
going to play a hair stylist, he would work in a hair salon for
a while. That's the way method actors prepare for roles. I don't
know if his tragic experiences influenced him to become a method
actor or not but I'm certain they indirectly helped him in his
profession, in addition to making him a stronger person in the
face of adversity.
[quote]We tend to think of meditation in only one way. But life
itself is a meditation.[/quote]
He got his (very slow) start in theater in New York City. It
turns out he had done the math on the high probability of having
absolutely no problems with weight gain as an actor. ;D
Hunger was his constant companion for about a decade. He told me
face to face how that went many years later (1986). I said, "You
sure had a lot of guts to do that. I don't think I could have.".
He just smiled and said it worked out and he would have rather
died than do anything else so he just kept at it. Here's a
famous quote of his about his life as a struggling theater
actor:
[quote]Sometimes we used to eat once a day... chicken backs. You
could buy four chicken backs for a quarter.[/quote]
But he knew acting was his true vocation.
[quote]Thank God for the theater. [/quote]
[quote]I knew there was something special about the theater for
me something beyond the regular reality, something that I could
get into and transcend and become something other than
myself.[/quote]
Thanks to a good (and influential) man in the USA, he managed to
avoid a lot of the stereotype latino 'dumb guy' or 'low life
crook' roles that are the typical Hollywood fare for minorities.
Those of us who KNOW HOW IT WORKS in the USA, understand why
this is done (i.e. to give most Americans the wrong idea about
intelligence and ability in minorities
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He wasn't going to help propagandize whitey for money. Of course
that made it quite a bit more difficult to make money for long
time.
When he finally did hit the big time, he used his celebrity in
the service of the downtrodden.
[quote]Just the fact that I've lived more, and I'm not concerned
about when I am going to get my next job anymore. This business
is free-lance and it's not a steady job. Younger, I would have
been more preoccupied with myself.
It was a very profound experience, getting in touch with that
part of us, in all of us human beings, that is committed beyond
yourself to the point of giving everything you have, including
your life, for other people, for your fellow man.
There are 38,000 people dying of hunger each day and most are
children. And, being a celebrity, I communicate about it as much
as I can. [/quote]
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When he played a Catholic Bishop that was assassinated, his mom
(and mine) were ecstatic! His mom got to see her boy dressed as
priest! By that time she had long been (SORT OF - see Catholic
style legal separation with a promise to not remarry - she kept
it) ) divorced from his dad although she would never remarry due
to her Catholic religion.
Raulito put his heart and soul into that role. When he is
ranting in the movie, it reminded me of hearing my dad (or his
dad) go on a tirade of righteous indignation (but my dad and his
really had no grounds to do so - they were good actors too! ).
The movie was banned in El Salvador because it told the TRUTH
about how Predatory Capitalism "does what it does" there.
Raulito was dead serious in agreeing with what his character's
role was saying. It was an easy role for him to method act into
because he shared the same ideals.
[quote]I have a very deep care for Latin America, and, of
course, for what was going on in El Salvador.[/quote]
His dad died in a car accident while in a drunken stupor in the
late 1980's. I went to see him in the hospital. He was brain
dead. They pulled the plug on him after a week or so. The guy
just could not stop the heavy drinking and womanizing. So it
goes. :(
But don't get the idea that Raulito was this morose, serious
ranting type (like me!). This guy could make a joke out of
ANYTHING! That look of his when he puts on that sly smile and
looks to the one side like a naughty boy enjoying an inside joke
is a TRADEMARK inside our family! ;) We all do it!
But of course, he did it better (pictures at the end of the
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[quote]You have to have the right atmosphere, really be in the
right mood to really fully enjoy a Cohiba.
A cigar is as good as memories that you have when you smoked it.
Maybe it's like becoming one with the cigar. You lose yourself
in it; everything fades away: your worries, your problems, your
thoughts. They fade into the smoke, and the cigar and you are at
peace.
Why pay $100 on a therapy session when you can spend $25 on a
cigar? Whatever it is will come back; so what, smoke another
one.
I even smoke in bed. Imagine smoking a cigar in bed, reading a
book. Next to your bed, there's a cigar table with a special
cigar ashtray, and your wife is reading a book on how to save
the environment...[/quote]
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Don't get the wrong idea from his joking. He was quite militant
about protecting the environment.
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With his fame he was able to pick roles that defended the
downtrodden and the environment.
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When he was doing "Kiss of the Spider Woman", he had to get
skinny as a rail for his part in prison. He also had to kiss a
man. :P Around that time (1987) his second wife had their
second child. He gave a party at the Berwind Country Club in
Puerto Rico for the family. I guess it was a kind of a "home
town boy makes good" thing. He and his wife showed off the new
baby boy that was about six months old.
As is the habit of menfolk worldwide, later on, and with a few
drinks in us, we gathered around him at the private bar in the
area he had rented for the party. I asked him what was it like
to work with Liz Taylor and Richard Burton a long time ago. He
said they are quite different off screen and were quite friendly
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Then one of my cousins (A.A.) looked at him rather crossly and
said, Raulito, what's this business of kissing an HOMBRE?
Raulito said, "It's just acting. It was part of the role". A.A.
pondered that a few seconds, ran his hand over his head and
said, "Well, then I guess it's okay, but I sure wouldn't do
it!". Everybody laughed and Raulito lifted his eyebrows and gave
"the look". Then we really roared!
My brother Larry, always interested in the money angle,
commented to Raulito that it must be great to be rolling in the
green with all that movie money and asked him what his living
expenses were. Raulito quoted a figure that amounted to several
hundred thousand a year. Larry asked, "How come so much?".
Raulito said he supported several movements for people and the
environment that were quite costly.
He added that his lifestyle also required very expensive hotels
when travelling or vacationing to keep from getting mobbed. He
had to support a team of handlers that took care of fan mail,
security, threats, scheduling and, of course, his agent. It goes
with the territory of fame.
The last time I spoke to him was in January of 1990. He called
the funeral parlor where my mother's body was being viewed and I
happened to answer the phone.
I realized then what a hassle it was to be him on certain
occasions when my "daughter" and one my nieces rushed to the
phone when they realized Raulito was on the phone. They were
begging me to ask him to send them an autographed picture. Such
lack of decorum. It was their grandmother's funeral and my
mother's funeral. So it goes.
I apologized to him and passed on the request. He said, no
problem and not to worry about it. He would send the pictures to
Sophia and Renee. I thanked him for the condolences, promised to
pass them on to the others and we said goodbye.
A funny guy with a huge heart that I will always remember.
His name is Raul Juliá. The last name is NOT pronounced Júlia
(like Julie). The accent goes on the last letter.
Raul Juliá quotes source:
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Biography:
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He could play a good guy as well as a bad guy and do great
comedy (Movie pictures below).
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Obit with a tribute
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[center]THE LOOK
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The Adams Family Character
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[center]THE LOOK
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Bishop Oscar Romero played by Raulito
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It was a very profound experience, getting in touch with that
part of us, in all of us human beings, that is committed beyond
yourself to the point of giving everything you have, including
your life, for other people, for your fellow man. Raul Juliá
Arcelay[/font][/quote]
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
ual Experiences
By: AGelbert Date: March 5, 2015, 8:59 pm
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[quote author=Eddie link=topic=4359.msg69316#msg69316
date=1425597292]
You can have everything in the universe. You can have it now. It
is yours for free, and it is unconditional. This is God's
covenant with every living thing that was ever born.
A seed of a giant redwood falls on the forest floor. It sticks a
root into the ground and begins to consume. How much does it
consume? As much as it wants! There are birds flying past my
window right now going leaf to leaf, branch to branch, eating
the seeds, berries, insects, whatever they want. How much are
they taking? As much as they want!
You know, this subject is very interesting to me.
First off, any backsliding Christian from East Texas can tell
you that this is straight from the Sermon on the Mount. Matthew
6:25-34.
(I still like the King James. It's what I cut my teeth on.)
25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what
ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body,
what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the
body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do
they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father
feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his
stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of
the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory
was not arrayed like one of these.
30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to
day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much
more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or,
What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your
heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness;
and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow
shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the
day is the evil thereof.
So....that's Jesus's take on it. He said that.....right after
the part where he said you can't serve both God and money. If
you believe the New Testament is an accurate account.
And far be it from me to argue with Jesus. It's only some of
Jesus's rabid fans whom I take issue with.
However, it seems to me that although man is not fundamentally
different from the other animals, he does have one
characteristic that influences his behavior that other animals
don't. He has the brain power and the moral judgment to make
decisions about what he should or shouldn't do.
Like...recently I was out on the stead with my dogs. They hemmed
up another raccoon. The heeler had him treed at the base of a
cottonwood tree that had collapsed into the creek, and he was
barking to beat the band.
The fox terrier closed in for the kill from the water side. She
was just about to take the first bite out of the coon's ass when
I showed up, and she had her gorge up and no amount of hollering
got through to her. I had to pick up a rock and bounce it off
her flank to get her attention.
It's just their nature. They're bred to hunt. She didn't need to
eat that coon to keep from starving. She wasn't even hungry. I
could have let them kill it, but there was no reason to allow
that. If I'd needed the meat, it would have been different. The
coons have gotten thicker on the ground because of the deer corn
I put out. So it was more or less my fault the coon was there in
the first place.
Maybe not the best example, but what it amounts to is that
plants and animals....every species but man (as far I know) has
absolutely no conscience regarding killing, or whether to eat
all or just some of whatever food is there. They just follow
their natural instincts.
Maybe that's what's meant by the myth of the Fall from Grace,
getting thrown out of the garden. We do have the knowledge of
Good and Evil.
So...it seems to me that while it is okay to take what I need
from the earth, that it's just plain wrong to take anything and
everything I might want. That's what's gotten us into all this
trouble. Too many people taking, and taking , and taking.
When our hunter-gatherer ancestors roamed the world, they could
take what they wanted...and the environment and the other
species recovered immediately. Now that isn't the case. We do
take what we want, most of the time, and there just isn't enough
left to go around anymore. I wonder what Jesus would have to say
about that.
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Eddie,
That's interesting about your dogs and the raccoons. I observed
the same behavior as a kid with a snapping turtle and several
frogs in a wash bucket. It killed them all even though it was
not hungry. And it was my fault because I put that snapper in
that wash bucket with all the frogs that could not escape.
We are the caretakers of this planet because we are the only
self aware species. That's called Stewardship in the Bible and I
agree with it. There is good stewardship and there is bad
stewardship. Those are moral choices. As to the alleged
"subjectivity" of morality that knarf claims, I resolved that
issue long ago.
The Native Americans had the seven generation impact of whatever
they did as the litmus test of morality (i.e. good stewardship).
Translated to science speak, a decision by a self aware being
that will result in the reduced viability of the biosphere for
about 300 years is an immoral decision.
Hence morality involves each and every choice we make that
impacts other Homo SAPS and ALL other life forms in the web of
life called the biosphere. That is NOT a subjective issue.
Immoral behavior degrades the biosphere; moral behavior enhances
it. Yes, that means that, in certain cases, what is immoral for
civilized folks and several religions (including Christianity)
is probably not really immoral when all is said and done.
Of course that can set up a slippery slope where genocide can be
"justified" because a tribe was killing off the butterflies or
some such ridiculous pretzel logic.
But aside from legalese jargon and fast and loose use of
language to justify conscience free predation, it's pretty
obvious what not the morality of doing anything that craps the
biosphere for 300 years while we live means.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
ual Experiences
By: AGelbert Date: March 19, 2015, 12:46 am
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[quote author=Golden Oxen link=topic=559.msg70627#msg70627
date=1426737087]
[quote]But I will give you one point in your logic that cannot
be refuted. If the Libertarian style government was the norm,
large armies, navies and air forces, as well as nation states,
would not be funded.
[/quote]
Thanks AG, Lets face it Agelbert, no political party or system
is perfect, you and I can find faults with all of them at any
time.
When I hear we gotta stop these evil disgraceful wars and get
the Government out of things they are not supposed to be doing,
like spying on their citizens, turning the country into a
militarized war zone, buying tanks and bazookas for local
police, killing civilians with drones my ears perk up. To me
Libertarians under a Ron Paul are not even close to being ideal,
but just a step in the right direction is all.
Your point about a rebirth of MORALITY is the right point,
that's what we need for sure. Unfortunately I'm not that much of
a romantic to hold my breath waiting for that to come about, not
without there being a RUDE AWAKENING first that is. :-\[/quote]
GO,
You are most welcome. Morality and no nonsense mandatory ethical
behavior enforced by law is what we need. And yep, like you, I'm
not holding my breath either. :(
Here's a video (below) that I recommend. I believe these Dr.
Strangeloves behind this global experiment (funded with our
money
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/>will get a VERY rude awakening when a HUGE chunk of Greenland
ice sheet slides into the ocean, despite their feverish, and
pseudo scientific, efforts to save fossil fueldom's ASS. Then
there is going to be HELL to pay when it comes out that their
experiment made everything
WORSE.
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And speaking of "Rude Awakening", I read that newsletter for
almost a decade. In fact, the Libertarian that runs it (forgot
his name :-[) was the guy that made that statement about a
monarchy being the best and most stable form of government if
you have a benevolent monarch. He also said, as early as the
year 2000, that gold was the "Trade of the Decade". He was
right!
But after 2010, he said that gold was more of an inflation hedge
than anything else. I agree with that too. But I'm not an
investor so it really does not make much difference to me. He is
of Irish descent from Maryland. He lived in France for a while
and then went back to the USA. He's got a ranch in Argentina
which is totally off grid that he used to spend a lot of time
on. I have not kept up with what he is up to for years.
Here's that video. It will knock your socks off!
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One more thing. The grim reaper made a low pass at me when I got
up today (before I had posted or read anything so nobody here
was the cause
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/>). I was feeling quite well, was engaged in emptying my bladde
r,
when I got real dizzy and started to get nausea. I finished up
as quick as I could and walked into my bedroom where my wife was
talking to me and kneeled down on the
floor.
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/>She saw I was doing the Syncope two step and became very
concerned that the pacemaker battery was failing (It's supposed
to last ten years and I'm a little over eight). I managed to go
to the computer room (while my wife was telling me to lay down
on the bed NOW! ), grab my pulse watch (pilots love to read the
gages! ;D) and go back the few steps to the bedroom where I
laid down. My wife said I was very pale. :o :P I checked my
pulse and it was at 61. I kept checking it and it dropped to 56,
then 53, then, within seconds (an ETERNITY for the pacemaker
software!) up to 62.
The pacemaker is supposed to kick in at 60. There is NOT
supposed to be a delay.
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/>After a few minutes my pulse got up to between 65 and 70. I di
d
not actually faint and the nausea went away within a couple of
minutes along with the dizziness so the pacemaker IS working,
but I felt rather strange the rest of the day. My hands stayed
cold until I exercised a few hours later. My wife has been
hovering over me. I showed her where to push on my sternum for
CPR if the agelbert batteries crap out. She was not a happy
camper. I marked the date so the pacemaker clinic can look at
"episode" data when they dump it on my next check up.
I'm okay now. Cheated death again.
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Nearer my Lord, to thee.
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