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Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unusual
Experiences
By: AGelbert Date: January 2, 2014, 6:39 pm
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Agelbert's
Aerobatic Adventure -[I] In A NON-Aerobatic Aircraft[/I] :o :P
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Once upon a time, I was young and a newly licensed Private
Pilot. I had racked up about 53 hours of flying time, passed my
4 hour written test and my one hour flight test so I figured I
had most of this flying stuff all figured out. I was now
starting my commercail pilot training which required a total of
160 hours. A lot of this time was solo flying practicing
advanced maneuvers such as chandelles, lazy eights, pivotal
altitude hold while circling a ground reference point, several
kinds of stalls, engine out procedures, emergency landing
procedures and some extended cross country flights.
But most of that was in the future. I had already flown my
mother as my mandatory first passenger now that I was a bona
fide licensed pilot and could legally carry passengers (without
charging for it, of course).
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[center]I modified the last part of the tail number on the
cherokee 140 above. It's not the one I flew but is identical in
appearance and paint job. [/center]
This bright sunny day I boarded Zero Nine Whisky (N--09W tail
number) Cherokee 140 trainer aircraft to accumulate some flying
time towards my minimum required for a commercial pilot license.
Zero Nine Whiskey was my favorite of the aircraft. It had a
pretty paint job and was the plane I had soloed in. It was an
old friend to me by now. I didn't have any particular plan
except to go out over the everglades practice area and repeat
some of the maneuvers I already knew.
Of course, being young, curious, over confident and foolish, I
wanted to expand my knowledge of how the aircraft responded in
somewhat, shall we say, higher pitch attitudes than the every
day dull training fare.
If you have ever heard the expression, "pushing the envelope",
let me tell you that it is originally and aviatior's expression
stolen from us by you ground pounders to make your dull lives
seem more exciting!
Yes, dear readers, Agelbert was fixin' to push the envelope.
The flight "envelope" is the airspeed range and pitch attitude
(angle above or below the horizon) as well as bank angle range
of the wings that the aircraft is designed to fly at. If you
leave the envelope when you are in the air, you are entering the
danger zone. WHY? Because the aircraft can suffer catastrophic
structural damage, engine, failure or a combination thereof. If
this happpens near the ground, you are done. If it happens 4 to
5 thousand feet up, you MIGHT be able to recover and live
through it. You have a little more time but your survival
usually depends more on luck than skill.
Recently licensed Private Pilots are not too long on skill...
I taxied out, took off and flew northwest about 10 miles to the
practice area. This area over the Florida Everglades was (in
1966) in the middle of nowhere. There were a few roads near some
farms that had boundaries by the glades but otherwise it was all
swamp and you were alligator food if you went down there.
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[center]Cherokee in cruise flight at about 115 mph over Ohio,
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On the plus side for a designated practice area, it was flat,
far away from people or cows (our flight school had been told to
NOT allow the student pilots to practice low approaches to
emergency landings near cows because it caused abortions), and
arrival and departure aircraft traffic to Opa Locka or Miami
International Airports. Besides, it was within radio range of
several ATC towers so if you had an emergency, you could set
121.5 on your radio and call for help before you made a forced
landing even if you were at a low altitude.
Out over the practice area at 2,000 feet, I practiced a few
engine out procedures and checked the area for potential landing
sites that I could reach with the power off. It didn't look all
that great but I would pick a spot and pretend I had to put it
down right there. At about 300 feet I would apply full power and
climb away looking down at the spot to see what sort of a mess I
would have made if I had actually landed there.
I then decided to try something new. I knew I might have some
"difficulties" so I climbed to 5,000 feet (the recommended
altitude for stall and spin practice). I may write about an
exciting and humorous adventure with spins someday but that was
still in the future for me then. For this adventure, I must
explain to you what a "stall" is before I explain my imaginative
variation of it.
An aircraft flies because a low pressure area forms over the
upper surface of the wing in direct proportion to the velocity
of said wing and the angle of the wing to the air movement
(relative wind). The point is that the wings are sucked up and
the aircraft flies.
Straight and level flight (arrow) ----> produces enough lift to
not go up or down. When you pull back on the control point the
aircraft nose higher, you are increasing the pitch attitude. A
Cherokee 140 normally flies at a pitch attitude of a few degrees
(positive pitch).
A stall has nothing to do with the engine. A stall is what
happens when the low pressure area over the wing surface gets
disturbed (burble point) by too high a pitch attitude and the
wings no longer produce lift. The maneuver is performed by
gradually increasing the pitch attitude with a certain
designated power on or power off condition (or something in
between) until the nose shakes a little and noses down as the
wings hit the burble point.
Stall recovery is performed by establishing a negative pitch
(nose below normal glide pitch) to pick up flying speed while
applying full power simultaneously. Panicky student pilots have
a tendency to point the nose down steeply and upset their flight
instructors. After some practice, students learn that the secret
of stall recovery is just to put that nose down to a few degrees
below glide pitch and, of course, keep the plane from banking
with the rudder so you don't get into an inadvertent stall-spin.
The most challenging stall recovery is a power on stall because
the nose is pitched about 40 degrees up (much higher than for a
power off stall) and the burble point stall break is snappy.
It's also harder to keep the plane straight to avoit a spin
entry due to one wing stalling before the other.
Well, I knew all that. I had that down! Let us see, I said to
myself, what happens when we REALLY pick up the nose with full
power?
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I pushed the throttle all the way and pulled the nose as far
back as I could about 60 degrees). The effect was a much more
violent stall (imagine a bucking bronco) break and the plane
trying to spin this way and that. But I recovered within a few
hundred feet of altitude loss which was well within limits for a
power on stall.
I thought about that for a while. I wanted a 90 degree pitch up
nose position (straight up!) but, even with full power, I
couldn't get there before the plane stalled. Bummer.
So, I applied full power again and lowered the nose to pick up
maneuvering speed (129 mph designated aircraft speed where
structural damage could not occur from control movements). ZOOM!
At 129 mph I gradually lifted the nose all the way to 90
degrees! Yippee! There I was, going straight up like a fighter
pilot!
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I then waited for the stall break and the nose to pitch forward.
And I waited. And I waited. The airspeed went down past 60,
which was no flaps stalling speed, and kept going down. Fifty,
forty, THIRTY (WTF!), TWENTY!!! (I pulled the power off and
tried to nose the aircraft over - no response - I was going too
slow to ahve ANY EFFECT on the fight controls - I was basically
a rock tossed in the air at this point approaching the peak of a
ballistic trajectory), TEN, ZERO!
Now it gets really good. The cherokee 140 is a utility trainer
aircraft. That means it is capable of withstanding 4.4 G forces
plus and 2.2 G minus. Aerobatic aircraft can handle 6.6 both
ways with out structural issues. I knew this. I knew I was not
in a Citabria or Stearman that could do whip stalls and tail
slides and hammer head stalls at air shows just for fun.
Cherokees have a stabilator (instead of an elevator) on the tail
that is quite easy to break. If that breaks, you are dead,
period.
You DO NOT want to stress the stabilator, EVER.
I went weightless. My pilot briefcase began floating in the air
next to me. The wind noise was picking up rapidly and the
airspeed still read ZERO!
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Panic time! I decided to release the controls because ANYTHING I
did would translate BACKWARDS because the aircraft was "flying"
backwards. I did NOT want to bust that stabilator. I wanted to
get that nose DOWN somehow. As a kid I had thown gliders in the
air and watched them tail slide and whip stall to a nose down
pitch and recover. I was counting on that but my confidence
level was measurable in fractions of an inch at the moment.
Hanging by my seatbelt, I experienced the most violent forward
whip stall forward you can imagine. That is probably what save
my life. Had the stabilator caused a BACKWARD whip stall, it
would probably have broken off. Without the ability to control
the pitch attitude, even with engine power, a small aircraft
will nose hard into the ground destroying the airframe and
killing the pilot.
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I watched the blue sky instantly change to brown everglades. It
was weird. The nose did not just go from straight up to straight
down; it went from straight up to a pendulum movement. I still
hadn't touched the controls. The airspeed had, of course, been
increasing all along but it didn't show because aircraft measure
airspeed with a pitot tube that faces the relative wind. Planes
don't generally fly backwards. LOL!
The moment the plane whipped over to the glades facing pendulous
rocking movement, the airspeed went from zero to ABOVE VNE
(Never Exceed Velocity - about 160). The airspeed indicator was
PEGGED!
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That was another fright. I realized the flip had occurred above
maneuvering speed and was sweating the possibility I had lost my
stabilator.
I reached for the controls and, ever so gradually, applied back
pressure to get out of the dive without tearing the wings off.
Also, if I pull back too hard and too quick, that was another
chance to over stress the stabilator (if I still had one) that I
didn't want to risk.
It worked. I hadn't lost my stabilator! Gravity returned and I
got the airspeed back to 115 mph normal cruise. I had lost about
3,500 feet. I applied power.
Nothing. [color=red][shadow=red,left]Engine failure.
[/shadow]Argh.
I turned on the electric fuel pump (this aircraft has a manual
fuel pump but uses the electric fuel pump to aid starting and
engine restart in the air) and set 121.5 emergency frequency on
my radio and looked for a place to put Zero Nine Whiskey down.
At 800 feet the best place looked like a dirt embankment in the
Everglades. I began a final approach and had the mike in my hand
to begin transmitting mayday when the engine sputtered on.
Believe it or not, my greatest relief at the moment was not
having to embarrass myself by radioing an emergency.
Such is the foolish pride of the young.
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I hooked the mike back on to the panel and changed to tower
frequency, radioed that I was inbound about 15 miles northwest
and brought her home (without turning the electric fuel pump off
until I was safely on the runway).
I taxied to the grass parking area at the fight school and shut
own the aircraft.
Then I noticed something that needed to be taken care of. The
cowling above the panel was full of dirt! The whip stall had
been so violent that every speck of dirt on the floor had been
thrown up and then forward and down onto the cowling as I
applied gradual back pressure to pull the aircraft out of the
dive. The floor looked like someone had done a great vacuuming
job on it. LOL!
I called a line boy and said there was a lot of dirt on the
cowling that should be cleaned up. He looked at it and asked,
How did that get there?". I said, "I don't know." and quickly
walked into the office to sign out...".
[I]NOTE: Zero Nine Whisky was NOT damaged. I flew over 50 hours
in that aircraft subsequently along with hundreds of hours by
other pilots and flight instructors.
I pre-flighted VERY closely the aircraft a day later and, had I
seen the least bit of evidence of stabilator stress, would have
reported it.
I know, I should have reported it anyway but I was foolishly and
pridefully afraid to besmirch my pilot record because it would
reduce my chances of getting hired by the airlines. [/I]
All I can say is the Piper Cherokee 140 is an excellent trainer
aircraft.
So that is how a foolish young man happened to cheat death in
1966.
If you liked this true story by Agelbert, be nice and register.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
ual Experiences
By: AGelbert Date: January 18, 2014, 5:56 pm
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MKing says about CH[sub]4[/sub] [quote]It is one of the more
useful molecules out there in the long run, [/quote]
Sure, from YOUR rather narrow definition of "useful" (It's a
hydrocarbon!).
But in the BIOSPHERE that we all depend on, THE most useful
molecule in the hydrocarbon pantheon is this one:
[quote]Ethylene: The Ripening Hormone[/quote]
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Ethylene causes fruit to ripen and plants to die on schedule so
they can be recycled into the biosphere. In short it is key to
the life cycle of all earthlings. Now THAT is REALLY useful! So
you see, I DO recognize that there is ONE hydrocarbon that we
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C[sub]2[/sub]H[sub]4[/sub] (Ethylene)
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Some products produced by ethylene that fossil fuelers and other
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My favorite HYDROCARBON! [img width=30
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What!? You mean to tell me Agelbert, the quixotic crusader
against fossil fuel folly in all its poisonous and biosphere
trashing forms has some hydrocarbon love?
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Back when I was trying to get through pre-med in the daytime
while I worked as a computer analyst in the FAA at night (I was
promoted from air traffic control to Automation) I took Botany,
one of many biology courses the curriculum required.
Botany was a lot of fun. I learned how they keep grapes from
having seeds in them (Gibberrelins) and all sorts of interesting
facts about plant biochemistry. But the story of the orange
grove fruit warehouses in Florida in the early 20th century was
one I liked especially because it is a great example of the
scientific method in action. Read on. 8)
The vast orange groves in Florida around 1910 had giant
warehouses where picked fruit would be stored while they reached
the proper stage of ripeness before shipping them to markets.
The oranges are picked nearly full size and still green. They
are tough at that stage and not easily bruised by the picking
process.
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The crop is stored in heated warehouses to finish the ripening
process. The oranges, as they ripen, obtain their pretty orange
color. The fruit expands somewhat and becomes more fragile but,
since they already have them packed in bags or crates ready for
shipping, they get to markets pretty well unscathed.
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Well, around 1910, the orange growers were sold on
electrification of their orange ripening warehouses. They had
hitherto used kerosene heaters which sometimes caused a
warehouse to burn down and they liked the idea of controlling
the temperature within a few degrees to fine tune the ripening
process. Boy, were they in for an unpleasant surprise! :o
They spent small fortunes in electrifying the warehouses with
lights and elecric space heaters. The picking season came and
they happily picked the crop and stored it in the new and
improved hot shot electric heater warehouses. They waited for
the oranges to ripen, fill out and turn orange in color. And
waited. And waited. Those silly, stubborn oranges refused to
ripen! They stayed hard and green.
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???
A bright bulb among the growers, all of whom had ALWAYS believed
(wrongly) that HEAT is what makes fruit ripen, stated that there
must have been something besides heat in those old kerosene
heaters that made the fruit ripen.
They got a team of scientists to do some experiments with green
oranges with and without kerosene heaters at various
temperatures and the oranges exposed to the kerosene heaters DID
ripen as they always had before irrespective of temperature.
Next they identified all the products of combustion of the long
chained hydrocarbon called kerosene.
We all know when you burn (oxidize) a hydrocarbon, you get
CO[sub]2[/sub] + H[sub]2[/sub]O. But that is ONLY if you have
COMPLETE combustion. A kerosene heater, as many family tragedies
can attest to, puts out lots of INCOMPLETE combustion products
like CO (carbon monoxide) that will kill you quickly and
quietly.
But there is another product of incomplete combustion that
burning kerosene puts out. It's called Ethylene.
This tiny molecule is a miracle of plant biochemistry. The
scientists determined that ethylene was making the oranges
ripen! So the growers had to put the kerosene heaters back in.
Well, they got electric lights out of the deal and plant science
took a giant step forward so everything worked out for the best.
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The obvious follow up question is, where does the ethylene, now
defined as a plant ripening hormone, come from when the oranges
ripen on the tree? ??? From the orange as long as it is
connected to the tree when it turns color. Henceforth, whether
on the tree or off it, the orange itself keeps putting out
ethylene until it rots in preparation for the orange seeds to
grow. Pretty neat, huh? ;D
This was a revolutionary development in botany in general and
fruit growing in particular. The study of plant hormones grew
explosively from that point and many mysteries were (and still
are being) solved about how these miraculous photosynthetic life
forms function.
What is so amazing to me is that such a simple molecule can do
so much. Have you ever put bananas on top of a bowl of fruit
containing apples in the bottom? Sure, everyone has. Have you
noticed how fast those bananas get overripe when they are on top
of apples? YEP, ripe apples are one of the highest ethylene
producers out there! :o Those bananas produce much less but when
the added apple ethylene whacks them, here come the brown spots!
:P
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[move]Unless you are going to eat the above bananas TODAY, this
is a No No! The bananas will ripen too fast! ??? Set them a
few feet away and they will keep longer. ;)[/move]
So now you know that, if you have a well ventilated area and
happen to have brought some green bananas from the store that
you are worried about "going bad" before ripening or just
refusing to turn yellow as sometimes happens, get a small
hurricane kerosene lamp and put it in the vicinity of the
bananas and I guarantee you they will ripen. You can impress
your spouse with your botany smarts. ;D
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[move]Behold, the humble ethylene molecule, my favorite
hydrocaron.[/move]
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Ethylene (IUPAC name: ethene) is a hydrocarbon with the formula
C2H4 or H2C=CH2. It is a colorless flammable gas with a faint
"sweet and musky" odor when pure.[3] It is the simplest alkene
(a hydrocarbon with carbon-carbon double bonds), and the
simplest unsaturated hydrocarbon after acetylene (C2H2).
Ethylene is widely used in chemical industry, and its worldwide
production (over 109 million tonnes in 2006) exceeds that of any
other organic compound.[4][5] Ethylene is also an important
natural plant hormone, used in agriculture to force the ripening
of fruits.[6]
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: July 29, 2014, 8:12 pm
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If you think it all ends here, you will consider risking your
life to save a stranger an irrational act, period.
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I was faced, one day at a beach family outing when I was 34 with
2 small children, with a life or death situation. My dentist
brother in law, an expert swimmer and scuba diver, was drowning
in a rip current and 14 ft high wave breakers.
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It was afternoon and my sister had scolded her hubby because he
was reading a book on dental practice instead of "playing with
his children like my brothers do". John wasn't feeling too great
that day but he responded to the henpecking by going in. I had
noticed that the tide was going out and some rather large
"lumps" on the water surface indicating rapid current (about 8
inches high in otherwise calm water in a tide pool) were visible
and I said, "It looks kind of rough out there".
He said he could handle it and it would be okay. My sister just
looked at me crossly. John went in and was playing with some
kind of raft with his kids that would just reach the surf at the
edge of the opening in the tide pool lagoon and swing back in.
I knew that dynamic was going to change and the outgoing tide
would soon try to suck anyone near the reef opening at the edge
of the tide pool lagoon (about 50 yards from shore) into the
surf and rip tide. I told my wife to gather up the kids and keep
them out of the water. I sat on the beach while John began to
drown.
My 36 year old brother and Vietnam vet, who had supported John
in this dangerous game when I appeared concerned, now froze on
the shore with a worried look on his face. Somebody grabbed the
small raft his 8 year old son was on and managed to get it to
shore (it was some good samaritan with red hair in the water
that we never did talk to later).
My brother, over his momentary paralysis and spurned to action,
ran up to me and said we had to get John. He had a big of piece
of driftwood for floatation. He rushed to the shore and waited
for me as the seconds ticked by and John was floundering, unable
to swim to shore.
I stood there a second and thought to myself, "You know, you are
going to die out there." I answered my own thought , "If I stay
here, I'll never be able to live with myself so God will have to
decide if I make it through this or not". The fear was momentary
and rational. I dispensed with it with a practice I had of
sticking to my principles come hell or high water. It wasn't
heroics, it was habit. And BABY, this was HIGH WATER!
My wife later said we looked like children in the waves because
they were so big. So my brother and I hyperventilated for about
20 seconds to get some extra oxygen in our lungs and dove in. My
bro lost the driftwood in the turbulent water (just as well - it
could have bopped us on the head and killed us). We got to John
lickity split. Getting to him was like being on a river in the
right direction.
Of course when we got to him, we had to turn around and try to
hold his head above water. The moment we reached him and I said,
"We've got you, John", he gave up. His head went under and I was
under too and watched bubbles coming out of his mouth and his
body totally relaxed. We pulled him up only to be slammed by the
most god-awful monstrous wave power I have ever experienced. My
femur bones were being bent by the force of the turbulence!
My fear returned with some terror thrown in. We had to fight to
get back up to the surface only to be slammed back down by a new
breaker. All the while we were trying to swim to shore and
getting weaker. After one particularly powerful wave, I looked
at my brother and yelled, "We're going to DIE out here!". He
yelled, "A man has to think of himself!".
Our only chance to make it to shore was to let John go. We did.
I glimpsed him floating away underwater. That was the most heart
tearing, sad and anguished moment of my life all wrapped up into
one desperate attempt to survive with my principles intact.
We began swimming to shore with the waves still sending us down
a couple of seconds after surfacing. The salt water mixing with
my breathing felt like fire burning my throat trachea. The
people on shore didn't get closer. I lost sight of my brother. I
was yelling "Praise the Lord" even as I ran out of energy in
those brief moments on the surface.
My brother, much stronger than me and an agnostic, was
concentrating on getting back to shore by cursing the ocean, the
waves , the current and whatever else he could think of to keep
himself "mad enough" to keep fighting for his life (I learned
this from him later as I could not hear him in the tumult at the
time).
About 15 minutes into this ordeal, I lost all my energy. I
couldn't speak and I couldn't swim. I would send the commands to
my arms and legs and they just WOULD NOT MOVE! I was in very
good shape at that time of my life and had no muscle cramps or
anything like that. I sank into the depths.
I made myself a promise that, even though I was sure to drown, I
would absolutely refuse to breathe until my autonomic response
kicked in after losing consciousness; I wasn't going to DO that
burning throat thing any longer (later on my doctor said that
saved my life but I'm not so sure). I began "breathing" by
pushing the air in my mouth into my lungs and back. I thought of
my wife and kids and asked God to take care of them.
I was totally convinced I was a goner. For some reason, I
stopped feeling that urgency to breathe. Perhaps it was
something like the nitrogen narcosis that divers get but that
only happens at depth with scuba gear. I think the Guy upstairs
gave me a break here (You know, that sky God atheists don't
believe in).
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I became quite relaxed, still unable to move and my surroundings
got darker. I figure I was about 20 feet down when I felt some
rocky bottom passing under my right toe. The force of the waves
was slight here but my movement with the current was plainly
felt. This woke me from my torpor.
I concentrated on my foot and tried with all my might to flex my
foot and anchor my toe on the reef surface below. It worked and
I cut my toe. This woke me up more. I still, believe it or not,
did not need to breathe. I waited for the current to shift
direction and slid along the bottom with the top of my right
foot. When the current flipped again, I would anchor my toe on
the reef. I did this 5 or six times. The only part of me that I
tried to move was my right foot and toe. I still did not have
the strength or muscle coordination to swim. It was getting
shallower (warmer water) and my surroundings lighter.
All of a sudden the water got murkier and the bottom hard to
hold because it was sandy instead of rocky and, like a submarine
surfacing, my head popped out of the water.
Now a normal person takes a deep breath here, right? Not me. I
was in terror of losing my grip on the bottom (it was sandy with
no toe holds) so I plunged back under to "hold position" until
the current shifted. I had glimpsed my sister yards away and I
realized I was on the shore so I weakly and carefully stood up,
breathed in deep and vomited my guts out.
I raised my head and stared into my sister's eyes. She looked at
me and said, "You tried". John died that day. I ended up fishing
my brother out as he was cursing his way in (We lay him on the
beach and he was okay after about 20 minutes) and keeping John's
teenage kid (he had two of his kids there that day) from
drowning trying to fish his father's body out.
We got the body as it managed to float a ways away from the rip
tide and bump up against the far end of the tidal pool reef. We
did CPR to no avail; he had a pulse from my pushing on his
sternum while my sister (a registered nurse) cleared the air
passage and breathed into his lungs but we gave up when the
ambulance got there about 20 minutes later; he was a solid blue
color (John was very fair and redheaded). Not a good day.
The point of this experience I am relating is that we need to
get our priorities straight in this country. WTF are we willing
to die for? What are our principles? I know what mine are, who
my boss is, and where I'm going when I leave this valley of
tears. That guides me in my decision making.
As a pilot I learned that you HAVE TO think about trouble all
the time, plan what you will do when or if it comes and PRACTICE
it in your brain. Then relax and go on about your life.
Otherwise you will learn by hard experience why a coward dies a
thousand deaths. Be true to your principles and you will sleep
better at night and be an asset to humanity and God.
My rant is for anyone here that hasn't thought this through like
I KNOW Surly, Ashvin, RE, Eddie and probably Ka, among others,
have. I'm in the moral imperative faith based Ashvin, Surly
camp.
More Background:
I had events occur in my life that kept me alive miraculously
when I should have gotten killed. I did not pray to avoid
getting smacked by a car that ran a red light without lights on
at night while my brother was saying "It's not going to get any
greener" to me from the back seat of the car while I sat there
like a bump on a log for NO ****ING REASON WHATSOEVER!
I didn't spend 10 to 15 minutes underwater refusing to breathe
and come out of it because I'm superman; it just happened and I
wrote about it in detail here some time ago. Sure, I was
praising the Lord and thanking Him for "rescuing" me while I was
drowning trying to fish my brother in law dentist (who drowned)
from the surf but it was my foot moving me along the bottom for
those 10 to 15 minutes or so that got me to the beach because I
could barely move my arms and had to concentrate just to dig one
toe into the rocky bottom. God made me work for that one!
While totaling a car, the seat belt caused my rib cage to rotate
approximately 10 degrees or so I fully expected to die and had
no desire whatsoever to stick around as I lay in a field gasping
for air.
I did not pray or ask to be miraculously healed but
nevertheless, AFTER the doctor at the ER had decided to do an
exploratory on me to see how ****ed up I was inside, everything
just POPPED into place X-ray room just before the body
cavity/chest X-ray prior to the operation. The doctor cancelled
the operation after seeing the x-ray. Apparently nothing was
broken. You studied medicine (this comment was originally made
to a doctor). How many times have you heard of rib cage rotation
along the sternum that just pops back into position? How about
the spleen? In violent car crashes it is almost always ruptured.
I lost consciousness gasping for air at the hospital with
everything going round and round. When I woke up I was still
gasping and being rolled into x-ray when all kinds of bubbling
noises came from my chest.
I addressed God in my mind and said, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!?
Something or someone said, also in my mind, I"M FIXING YOU. My
reaction was of chagrin. I was convinced I was DONE here and now
I had to live in this HELL HOLE some more.
Now you can call that a faith based miraculous healing if you
want but if you do I will say that you are fooling yourself. The
"power" of your mind in Faith isn't going to have you or anybody
else walking on water anytime soon. All this stuff and nonsense
about each one of us being a little god and able to do miracles
just by tuning in to some zen power or mind focus is simply
magical thinking. As to JC's quote about moving mountains,
mustard seed and Faith. He was talking about rocket fuel for
evangelizing (fishing humans), not habitually violating the laws
of physics.
My belief in Christ is EVIDENCE based. RE thinks I fancy myself
"privileged" to have these experiences. I consider myself
incredibly stubborn; so much so that God decided that I am so
dense that He had to show me some evidence before I would
believe. He doesn't do that to most people because most people
aren't that dense, period.
And no, I'm not going to detail all the weird and wonderful
stuff I have witnessed to you because some reader here might
think I'm inventing it just to prove some metaphysical bull****
I believe in. Sorry, I'm about as hard nosed about cause and
effect as any other scientist out there.
I once put a guy in jail because I refused to back down on my
court testimony after witnessing a car he lost control of drive
over and kill a street vendor. Despite receiving death threats,
I said, **** it, it's the right thing to do so I'M GOING TO DO
IT.
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Everything I witnessed about God doing His thing here and there
was rigorously questioned and fact checked moment by moment by
me. I was NOT looking for anything but an excuse NOT to believe
there is a supreme being that intercedes in the lives of people
on this planet in a personal manner.
But the observed events and facts said otherwise. Sure, I have
Faith NOW, but I didn't do anything to earn it. It really IS, as
the bible says, a gift.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: August 15, 2014, 9:06 pm
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There is a lot of strange stuff that goes on out there. :o I
will now relate quite a strange close encounter I had with light
beings/creatures or whatever.
Here's the story of my experience April 9, 1990:
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I was in a parking lot overlooking a city watching the moon rise
at about 9:00 P.M. There were about 20 other people there
listening to their radios and drinking beer. I wasn't drinking.
I saw this weird cloud about 5 miles away boiling like a tornado
cell. It seemed to be backlit (not by moonlight) but there was
no sound of thunder from cloud internal lightning. People
started saying "look at that and ooooh and aaaah".
This went on for about 5 minutes and two lights shot out of the
cloud at least 1,000 mph (I'm a pilot and atc at this time so I
had a very good grasp of distances and speeds). One was red and
one was blue. The red one headed north (I was facing east
towards the cloud and the moon) and the blue one headed south
for a mile or so and did a hair pin turn and caught up to the
red one headed north. They grew brighter and whiter and
disappeared.
It all happened in less than a minute after they shot out of the
cloud. I was smoking a cigarette and was amazed at this
"whatever" display of acrobatics and speed.
I heard a muffled pop like when you pop a paper bag. I looked
left and I saw the first light ball. Then POP, POP. Two more
appeared out of nowhere right before my eyes (no doubt some kind
of interdimensional movement similar to what you mentioned and
what occurs constantly in the electron clouds around an atomic
nucleus).
I just stared at these majestic looking things that reminded me
of a Dandelion seed Ball with clear Lucite rods sticking out.
They where white and translucent, not yellow as portrayed. The
center was compact. They floated south a few feet from me
rotating lightly (the lateral rods were near stationary while
the most forward and rear rods appeared to roll clockwise
through the air two feet or so from the asphalt (the rate of
roll did not coincide to the asphalt below like tire movement
does). The asphalt was lit up by these things as they passed by.
It took no more than a couple of minutes. Think of a feather
floating in a whisper of a breeze.
Then the lead one Popped and disappeared, followed in sequence
by the other two. I caught a flash of light entering the cloud
miles away and then the cloud stopped boiling and assumed a
typical cloud appearance. I was sorry I hadn't tried to touch
one.
I didn't know anyone there so I didn't talk to anyone but people
appeared pretty dumbfounded. I left a few minutes later. I've
never made heads or tails of this experience. If the balls ARE
energy creatures, they must have had a good time but made no
effort to communicate. If they are vehicles, whatever pilots
them is no bigger than a rabbit. Whatever they are, I do not
think they are from Earth. It appears that there are some ETs
out there that aren't shaped like us and prefer the sea urchin
star shape. :icon_mrgreen:
What do you think I saw? Note. The moon didn't jump position. I
lost no time.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: September 17, 2014, 8:26 pm
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True story. 8)
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The above is NOT the experience related. I post it so you will
get the picture of what a Huey Gunship in combat is like.
Spring 1967 12:15 to 12:20 A.m. (I looked at the car clock!):
I'm riding shotgun with my pal in his 1958 metallic blue
Mercedes (in excellent condition with leather seats!). We are
listening to the radio and smoking menthol tiparillos. It's a
warm and pleasant night. We are at a stop light. The light turns
green. He pulls out and crosses the intersection into our
neighborhood. I was NOT thinking about my brother, Viet Nam or
the war. I blurted out, "My brother just got shot. What time is
it?". My friend asked me, "Is he dead?". I said, "no", as I
looked at the car clock. There wasn't much else to say. I did
realize it must have been day time in Viet Nam (it was an 11
hour time difference from where I was).
So, I wrote it down and waited. I didn't say anything to my
parents or anybody else in my family. I figured that tiparillo
had some weird shit in or I was unconsciously just concerned for
my brother and my brain "made something up". I certainly did
believe that telepathy was possible but that was only the second
time I had one of those flashes (the other one was from my old
man several years prior and I did not link the two). Note: I was
an atheist at the time.
Same moment in Viet Nam (I checked and confirmed this with my
brother personally BEFORE telling him my experience!) It's mid
day there (11:15 A.M.):
A Huey helicopter gun ship with my brother as crew chief riding
on the left side machine gun mount area was flying low while
another one was flying high above. The tactic was for the low
flying chopper (it was their turn in the barrel that day :P )
to sucker snipers into shooting at them so the high chopper can
waste the sniper at the location of the weapon flash. It was a
bright and hot day.
They were close to Bien Hoa Air Base where they were based. So
far it had been a calm day...
My brother said he heard somebody say "move over" (when you are
manning the machine gun on the left side, half your ass is in
the breeze ;D). He shifted his ass to the right and felt
something hit him like a baseball bat on the left side of his
ass (had he not shifted right, the round would have missed the
pelvis and gone straight up into his abdominal cavity to his
heart, probably killing him on the spot). The round lodged in
his pelvis and cracked it. He was thrown to the right yelling
"TAKING FIRE!". They flew out of it and the high chopper "took
care of business".
Flying back to base, STILL with only a mildly sore ass, he
asked who had radioed to "move over"? The other three crew
members said the first they knew something was going on was when
my brother yelled. "TAKING FIRE!". I learned all this many
months later after my brother returned from Viet Nam.
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For crew chiefs only! Crew chiefs were top rated mechanics so
they had "access" to some "expensive" replaced parts. My brother
had one of these Huey helicopter rotor chain bracelets. ;D
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: October 10, 2014, 3:10 pm
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Unlawful versus ILLEGAL [img width=40
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What is UNLAWFUL?
That which is contrary to law. “Unlawful” and “illegal” are
frequently used as synonymous terms, but, in the proper sense of
the word, “unlawful,” as applied to promises, agreements,
considerations, and the like, denotes that they are ineffectual
in law because they involve acts which, although not illegal, i.
e., positively forbidden, [b]are disapproved of by the law[/b],
and are therefore not recognized as the ground of legal rights,
either because they are immoral or because they are against
public policy. It is on this ground that contracts in restraint
of marriage or of trade are generally void. Sweet. And see
Hagerman v. Buchanan, 45 N. J. Eq. 292, 17 Atl. 946, 14 Am. St
Rep. 732; Tatum v. State, 66 Ala. 467; Johnson v. State, 66 Ohio
St. 59. 63 N. E. 607. 61 L. R. A. 277, 90 Am. St. Rep. 564;
Pinder v. State, 27 Fla. 370, 8 South. 837, 26 Am. St. Rep. 75;
MacDaniel v. U. S
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Agelbert RANT:Are you required to sign a ticket in order to
avoid arrest? No. Of course, signing the ticket is not an
admission of guilt.
But YOU CANNOT be coerced under threat of arrest to sign the
****ing ticket! Don't SIGN ANYTHING you do NOT want to sign. And
if the cop decides to arrest you, it is an ILLEGAL arrest and
you will have grounds to sue the police department later on.
Keep your cool with a criminal cop. They don't give a **** about
the law and count on the corrupt, illegal and fascist "latitude"
given them by our courts.
And by all means, go after that cop in letters to the newspapers
and your town council to get him or her fired. Call the police
and go, in a group of two or more and voice your complaint and
ask for a copy of the record of conversation. Do it more than
once. Become a pain in the ass without becoming violent and
giving them an excuse to beat you about the head and shoulders.
;D
Don't wait for them to come to you and apologize or investigate
their own corruption. They won't. They are a gang. They are
vindictive as hell. They will try to entrap you and they will
follow you around in their patrol cars looking for anything to
give you a hard time with. They are MENS REA from the word go,
especially when you are making them act lawfully. They HATE
that.
They tried that with my wife. We went to the police station and
offered to have them put a tracking device on our car so they
would know where she was all the time. ;D They were not happy
campers. ;D They, of course, said they were NOT following my
wife around. My wife disagreed, in her calm, deliberate "You are
lying to me voice with times and dates". The chief said they
were not "harassing" her and they were not discriminating
against her and that patrols have the right, duty and obligation
to follow anybody they wanted to follow at any time. ;D
Right... I love the legal boilerplate bull**** dance that
humans, police and lawyers pull out of their ass whenever they
wish to dodge responsibility for prejudicial behavior, don't
you? ;) ;D
The cop that was following her on the motor route is a woman.
That SAME woman called for backup when an alarm went off at 3:40
A.M. one moring at an office I delivered papers to on my motor
route EVERY DAY, seven days a week. I got out of the car, walked
5 or seven steps up a wheel chair ramp and dropped the paper by
the door. I did that EVERY DAY. I heard no alarm. I never had.
Then the **** hit the fan. There I was, with a cop car facing me
that had pulled up silently and shined its lights on me as I got
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below freezing outside). and put my hands on top of the steering
wheel and said, "Can I help you, officer?". The visibly nervous
woman cop approaches the vehicle and asked what I was doing
there? I explained. She then got an embarrassed look on her
face. I asked why the commotion? She said the police station had
received a silent alarm. I explained that I did exactly what I
did with the newspaper every morning. I did not touch or bang
the storm door or open it to put the paper between it and the
inner door (some customers requested that - not this one - and
for the "math doer" la-la land logicians, spare the maladjusted
movement sensor on the wheelchair ramp bull**** 8)) Why would
the alarm go off now? No answer. They left. I said good day and
they did too.
SOMEBODY was setting me up. If you don't ACCEPT that, you are
BRAIN DEAD.
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At any rate, in regard to the police stalking (when THEY do it,
it's not called THAT, of course. LOL!) of my wife, they stopped
following my wife after the visit(s) to the police station(s).
(visibly - but we continue to be on their **** list for having
the audacity to believe we have the same rights as anybody else
around here - Oh yeah, I've got lots of PROOF. Don't expect me
to take THAT to court! LOL!).
I repeat, they are MENS REA from the word go, especially when
you are making them act lawfully. They HATE that. But we have to
do that. Otherwise, the entire putrid inertia of police
brutality and illegality will increase. Most lawyers will do
NOTHING to stop this unless you pay them to. They are. more
often than not, hair splitting, procrastinating, erring on the
side of caution, enablers and accessories to the problem than a
force for good.
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If you doubt that, just study Germany's "justice" system as the
Third Reich took hold and LEARN that the lawyers didn't do JACK
**** to stop the abuse as it got more and more brutal. I saw a
picture of a Jewish man carrying a placard in Germany BEFORE the
NAZIs had started killing Jews that read "I will not go to court
for grievances" (paraphrased and in German, of course) hoping to
get some attention to the abuses in the court system (to no
avail). The COURT system is where fascism gets it "legal"
gangrenous foothold. That's not the place to get justice or some
type of remedy for damages when fascism is taking hold. Here's a
term that makes the crooked enablers of our "justice" system
grab their wallets in panic!: EX CURIA.
Ex curia is the ONLY WAY we are going to stop this ****. Don't
expect any lawyer or judge to agree with you. They HATE ex curia
solutions because they undermine THEIR "authority" and gravy
train. Why do you think the term "vigilante" justice has such a
pejorative connotation? Vigilante activity, when it IS JUST,
should be celebrated as ex curia justice, not condemned. The KKK
is vigilante CRIMINALITY, not "justice".
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[quote]If You Are Stopped by the Police in Your Car[/quote]
SNIPPET:
[quote]When the officer asks you to sign the ticket or warning
notice, it is not an admission of guilt, you are simply
acknowledging that you received it. If you refuse to sign, the
officer will still issue the ticket but will mark it
"Refused."[/quote]
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[quote]If The Police Come Knocking At Your Door[/quote]
SNIPPET:
If the police knock at your door and ask to come into your home,
you do not have to let them in unless they have a warrant that
has been signed by a judge, or under emergency circumstances,
the officer is in pursuit of a suspect.
Ask to see the warrant.
If it is an ARREST WARRANT, make sure that you look at the name
on the warrant to be sure the police have the right person.
If it is a SEARCH WARRANT, make sure it is for your specific
address and check to see what is listed on the warrant to be
searched for in your home or location. The warrant gives the
officer(s) the legal right to temporarily seize the listed
property on the warrant.
The police may also search without a warrant whenever they have
arrested a person. They may search his or her person and the
immediate area where the arrest was made.
The police may also search after consent is given. If you object
to their request to search, be sure to make it clear that you do
not agree to any kind of search. They may also search when there
is an emergency situation (for example, someone screaming for
help inside your home) or when they are chasing you or someone
else into your home (hot pursuit).
If the police do not have a warrant, you may, but do not have to
let them in, UNLESS they demand to come in. Perhaps you can
settle this matter at the door, if they do insist on coming in
over your objections then:
Ask to see identification or a police badge.
Let them in only after they demand to come in.
If you object, then make sure you tell them that you DO NOT
consent to any search.
Remember the badge numbers and the names of the officers. Write
it all down. The officers usually have business cards, feel free
to ask the officer(s) for one.
[quote]If You Are Stopped By The Police On The Street[/quote]
SNIPPET:
"You have the right to remain silent; anything you say can and
will be used against you in court; you have the right to talk to
a lawyer for advice before you answer any questions and to have
a lawyer with you during questioning; if you cannot afford a
lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if
you wish."
The officer will ask you if you understand your rights, and are
you willing to answer some questions, or make a statement. If
you don't want to talk after you have been informed of your
rights, then you DO NOT have to.
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Agelbert NOTE: An UNLAWFUL law, no matter WHAT the Police are
claiming below:
[quote]Things to Remember[/quote]
SNIPPET:
Under Pennsylvania law, you may not use force to resist a legal
or illegal :o >:( arrest. Remember you have the right to
contest the validity of your arrest later on in court. ::)
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
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By: AGelbert Date: October 11, 2014, 4:20 pm
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Our Court system is corrupt. They will be handmaidens for
fascism, not a bulwark against it.
Always remember all those brilliant (no sarcasm here - they were
considered the pinnacle of legal thinking and properly just
constitutional law guardians) jurists and lawyers from 1930s
Germany, THAT WERE STILL THERE in 1968, who peddled empty
rhetoric for Hitler to survive, presented (at Nuremberg) an
erudite "defense" of their prudent, measured, legal, analytical
logic of doing the "best they could" under the duress of
Hitler's dictates (they claimed they saved many lives - NOT)
only to be told they were full of baseless rhetoric and
perjurous mendacity after over a thousand witnesses told the
REAL story. Nevertheless, most of them got off SCOTT FREE. They
do take care their own, don't they. ;D
They DON'T take care of we-the-people. They never will.
Handmaidens of whoever is in power with empty, but high sounding
rhetoric to accompany their claim to being defenders of justice.
I wish it weren't so.
Discussing LAW with a lawyer is a waste of time; they are
hopelessly locked in confirmation bias and defending their bread
and butter with all their sophistic and erudite skills. It's not
personal; it's just that they keep foremost in their keen minds
the disbarring consequences of defending natural law over
statist laws formulated for the coercion of the citizenry on
behalf of the health of the state.
I have been to court Pro Se twice. I pounded the law, used state
supreme court Stare Decisis (case law) precedent, rules of legal
procedure and constitutional law as well as mortgage law and
inheritance law (when needed) to back every assertion on every
motion, presented evidence of fraud, and pleaded with a judge to
overturn a clearly illegal power of attorney, only to be ignored
(because, of course, the judge could not counter my claims
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This is what they do when you pound the law and they don't want
to follow it. They are watching VERY closely for you to make
assertions not based on law (especially if you are a [i]pro se
messing with their private corporate club [/i]- At which point
they lambast you with all sorts of legal terms for not knowing
what you are talking about, demanding that you get a lawyer, or
face contempt of court charges or be prevented from representing
yourself henceforth - I studied all those games in advance so
they were never able to have that "fun" with me. LOL!).
But they aren't done just because they can't throw you out of
court for not knowing the law. Oh no! If, after the judge
willfully (and "lawfully"
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them to "reconsider" a court order or overturn (leave without
effect) their sentence or ruling, they just say NO.
In our corrupt system, a judge does NOT have to justify s hit,
regardless of what a lawyer will tell you. In order to get a
judge to recuse themselves, GET THIS, THEY have to APPROVE the
motion for recusal that you present!
Talk about stacking the deck! And forget complaining about the
judge to the court system unless you have a lot of money and
patience. One judge I recently had the misfortune of dealing
with was taken to the state supreme court for deliberately
ignoring a state supreme court ruling on Dolo incidente (a bank
offers financial products to a public entity, and hides the true
costs of the product) in order to defend a crooked banking
institution.
The state supreme court ruled it was an HONEST MISTAKE OF
INTERPRETATION (bull****!) by said judge. Said judge, that had
just thumbed her nose at the supreme court, was not penalized in
any way, and was allowed to continue as a judge in good
standing.
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Expect a lawyer (after a week on the clock charging per hour
studying the court proceedings ;D) to say this is another
ISOLATED INCIDENT and, overall, the system is just dandy and
JUST, and every case must be looked at separately, not as a
"ridiculous, wild eyed, judgement" of the overall system by
"imagining" a pattern of corruption where "there is none".
RIGHT.
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Lawyers and judges have a REAL PROBLEM connecting dots. They are
LOATHE to see a pattern that reveals the TRUTH about how corrupt
and dysfunctional our court system is. They are the fish that
swim in that water. They will never see anything wrong with the
water, period. That's confirmation bias. Of course, they will
argue day and night that they are there to preserve the
integrity of that system and are vigilant of flaws and the
system is "self correcting" for these "unfortunate isolated
incidents" of corruption. That's just rhetoric.
The system now dances to the tune played by, mostly the large
corporate institutions in general and the banks in particular.
All these so called LEGAL, LAWFUL LAWS can be traced to profit
through some form of violation over the natural laws of life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The latest twist, a very embarrassing one for the judge I
mentioned above
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that shows
CLEARLY the puppet threads from the bank to the judge (in my
quixotic legal effort) is hilarious if it wasn't so tragically
unjust.
I filed a motion requesting a third party lawsuit. I was asked
to reveal the grounds for inclusion (even though I had JUST DONE
THAT in the motion) of said third party (my dad's second wife
who was now legally an heir due to the death of my father).
I gave the grounds, I cited the law, I gave precedents, etc. I
alleged she MUST be part of the bank's list of party sued or the
lawsuit the bank presented is invalid. I cautioned the judge
against ruling for the bank because this set up a very bad
precedent allowing blood heirs to ignore a widow from a second
marriage in foreclosure sale proceeds. I even was so bold as to
claim the constitutionality of that ruling could be questioned
and the foreclosure sale ruled invalid along with (I slipped
this in at the last
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/>the judge appearing as the handmaiden of the bank and thereby
undermining the TRUST of the people in our court system (a cause
for recusal - I never did waste my time attempting to get that
judge's recusal - they are mostly ALL banking puppets).
I was ignored. The "honorable" judge, after (LOL!) stating there
was "no controversy" in the lawsuit, hands down the sentence in
favor of the bank. I call up the widow and tell her if she
thinks she can play this game and run to the foreclosure auction
and snap up the property, she's got another thing coming. I told
her this was a setup from the word go and admitted I had gone to
bat for her to defend my interests, not just hers. I yelled this
at her: She had never defended justice or my inheritance. She
had sided with my family and they were going to shaft her. Have
a nice day.
Well the widow, firmly holding her wallet in panic, raced to the
bank with her copy of the last will and testament of my old man.
The bank filed a motion to "leave the sentence without effect"
and amended the lawsuit to include the widow. I had filed
multiple motions asking, FOR MONTHS, that all that be done and
MUST ?BE DONE according to the LAW! In exactly two days, the
judge rescinded her sentence, accepted the amended lawsuit, AND
issued a sentence ruling in favor of the NEW and IMPROVED
amended lawsuit.
What an embarrassment for that judge to behave like such a
lackey! I have a count of over 16 judges that have perused that
case since I began being a pain in the legal ass in February.
I'm sure the ****tail parties are no fun for that judge right
now. 8)
There were a few, brave, principled jurists in Germany that were
NOT Jewish who were willing to stand on principle. There are a
few in the USA today.
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They will be silenced by their peers and the state. The only
solution to tyranny is an EX CURIA solution.
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[move][font=verdana]Hebrews 11: 39 These were all commended for
their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised,
40 since God had planned something better for us so that only
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
ual Experiences
By: AGelbert Date: October 13, 2014, 7:27 pm
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date=1413197739]
[quote author=Surly1 link=topic=3541.msg58593#msg58593
date=1413196028]
"Violent reactionary resistance" puts you squarely in Brandon
Smith territory, which is, as John Lennon once famously
observed, exactly where the state wants you because then it
knows how to deal with you, and batshit crazy as a bonus.
Far better for the citizens to withdraw their consent by means
of public assembly, acts of group noncompliance, boycotts,
demonstrations, etc. Far more effective, but much harder to do.
As we've already seen, as the hirelings of TPTB rollout their
hospitality for nonviolent protesters.
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The problem of course is that TPTB have no issue with responding
to Non-Violent protest with Violence.
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You also are fully aware of Agents Provacateur, and obviously
Pepper Spray is only a tiny part of the arsenal of Violence
brought by the State on Peaceful Protesters. You got your Water
Cannon, your Rubber Bullets and your LRAD too!
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Obviously, confronted with this, followed by shipping off
numerous people to the largest Prison System the World has ever
known, the folks protesting don't always stay calm and peaceful.
In the Warsaw Ghetto, with the exception of a few resistance
episodes, the Jews resisted peacefully. It did not do them much
good.
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Who made it through the Holocaust? The RESISTANCE FIGHTERS! The
BIELSKIS!!
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[quote]The Bielski partisans were an organization of Jewish
partisans who rescued Jews from extermination and fought against
the Nazi German occupiers and their collaborators in the
vicinity of Nowogródek (Navahrudak) and Lida in German-occupied
Poland (now western Belarus). They are named after the Bielskis,
a family of Polish Jews who led the organization.
Under their protection, 1,236 Jews survived the war, making it
one of many remarkable rescue missions in the Holocaust.[1] The
group spent more than two years living in the forests and was
initially organised by members of the Bielski family.[/quote]
[quote]Jewish Partisans
Some Jews who managed to escape from ghettos and camps formed
their own fighting units. These fighters, or partisans, were
concentrated in densely wooded areas. A large group of partisans
in occupied Soviet territory hid in a forest near the Lithuanian
capital of Vilna. They were able to derail hundreds of trains
and kill over 3,000 German soldiers.
Life as a partisan in the forest was difficult. People had to
move from place to place to avoid discovery, raid farmers' food
supplies to eat, and try to survive the winter in flimsy
shelters built from logs and branches. In some places, partisans
received assistance from local villagers, but more often they
could not count on help, partly because of widespread
antisemitism, partly because of people's fears of being severely
punished for helping. The partisans lived in constant danger of
local informers revealing their whereabouts to the Germans.
Many Jews participated in the partisan units formed in France
and Italy to help regular Allied forces defeat German forces.
They forged documents and identity cards, printed anti-Nazi
leaflets, and assassinated collaborators.
Twenty-three-year-old Hannah Senesh, a Hungarian Jew who
emigrated to Palestine in 1939, was one of the thirty-two
Palestinian parachutists the British dropped behind German lines
to organize resistance and rescue efforts. Before crossing the
border in Hungary on June 7, 1944, to warn Hungarian Jews about
the extermination camps, Senesh, a poet, handed a poem to one of
her companions. It ended with these lines: "Blessed is the heart
with strength to stop its beating for honor's sake. Blessed is
the match consumed in kindling flame." Senesh was captured the
next day and executed as a traitor to Hungary.
Key Dates
JULY 20, 1941
GHETTO ORDERED IN MINSK, SPARKS RESISTANCE
On July 20, 1941, the Germans order the establishment of a
ghetto in Minsk. Within days of the ghetto's establishment,
thousands of Jews are killed. Jews in the ghetto form an
underground resistance network in August 1941. Members of the
underground set up a printing press and newspaper to distribute
information to the ghetto population. The underground also
contacts partisan units outside the ghetto to find hiding places
for Jews in the ghetto. In March 1942, the Germans carry out an
action in the Minsk ghetto in which thousands are killed.
Shortly thereafter, members of the underground begin leaving the
ghetto for the forests where they form partisan units and fight
the Germans. The partisans in the forests work to rescue Jews
from the ghetto and bring them to the forests, where they
establish partisan bases. Approximately 10,000 Jews flee the
Minsk ghetto for the forests by 1944. Many lose their lives in
the attempt.
JANUARY 1942
JEWISH ARMY IN FRANCE
The Jewish Army (Armee Juive; AJ), is established by Zionist
youth groups in Toulouse, France. The AJ operates throughout
France, but is particularly active in the southern regions.
Members are recruited from both Jewish and non-Jewish youth and
resistance groups and are trained in military and sabotage
activities. AJ members smuggle money out of Switzerland to
France to distribute to Jewish relief agencies. This money helps
thousands of Jews in hiding. The AJ assassinates some of those
who cooperate with the Germans and smuggles about 500 Jews and
non-Jews across the border into neutral Spain. In 1943 and 1944,
the AJ establishes close ties with Allied forces--including
General Charles de Gaulle's Free French of the Interior (FFI)
forces. In 1944, during the liberation of France, the AJ
participates in uprisings in Paris, Lyon, and Toulouse against
the German occupation.
JANUARY 21, 1942
UNITED PARTISAN ORGANIZATION IN VILNA
After reports of mass killings of Jews at Ponary, outside Vilna,
members of Zionist youth movements establish the United Partisan
Organization (Fareynegte Partizaner Organizatsye, FPO) in the
Vilna ghetto. The organization prepares to resist the Germans in
the event that the ghetto is threatened with destruction and
establishes contact with other ghettos to acquire weapons and
encourage resistance. In early September 1943, the Germans
deporting Jews from the ghetto and are confronted with
resistance by FPO members. The FPO decides to abandon the ghetto
and flee to the nearby forests to fight the Germans from the
outside. The last group of resistance fighters escapes the final
destruction of the ghetto on September 23, 1943. They leave the
ghetto through the sewers and join partisans in the Rudninkai
and Naroch forests.
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[quote author=JoeP link=topic=3541.msg58624#msg58624
date=1413240012]
AG, I was reviewing some state and local election info today and
when I read the candidate statement below, it made me think
about your courtroom endeavors
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that had the "David and Goliath" mentality that this guy claims
to have.
[float=left]I'm a political nobody. I am a small town defense
lawyer in rural northeast North Carolina. Professionally, I help
those accused of crimes, as described in the Sixth Amendment to
the U.S. Constitution.
I have no strong ties to any party, power or influence. I have
not taken a dime from any interested party, person or group, and
I do not plan to. I will fund my own campaign. Judicial
independence becomes suspect when money is exchanged.
I am asking for support in the form of votes so that I can head
to Raleigh to fulfill the remaining term of retired Chief Judge
John Martin on the NC Court of Appeals. The only promise that I
am making is that I will do my best in writing opinions by
applying the law as it is written. I believe both David and
Goliath walk into a courtroom on equal footing and they should
be treated as equals in the eyes of the law. [/float]
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RE,
Nice historical posts. I'll repost that on my forum.
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JoeP,
I hear ya. Go some pages back on this thread and you will see
that I stated I would not argue LAW with a LAWYER because,
regardless of the fact that some lawyers such as Ashvin are
highly ethical and principled Christians, over all, that
profession and most of those who make their living from it, have
historically been the handmaiden of governmental abuses, not a
bulwark against them. There is a built in, and profound,
conflict of interest inherent in any member of an organization
that licenses its individuals to practice. I am, at this moment,
researching the incredible acquiescence of the Court System in
the USA to all the blatant and unconstitutional LEGAL and LAWFUL
LEGISLATED attacks on personal freedoms hitherto guaranteed by
the Bill of Rights (for white land owners only at first - but
you get the idea ;)).
It is NOT hyperbole to claim that, especially post 911, FASCSIM
has made giant strides in the USA and the Court System is AIDING
in the implementation of routine violation of our Constitution.
That is what I am researching and I will post on it when I get
some more info. My experience with law and the study of it is
not limited to my pro se "fun". As a young pilot, I formed a
union. The boss had me fired under false pretenses. I went to
the department of labor and filed a complaint. Arbitration took
place. I proved I was fired without cause. All well and good. In
that state, the LAW says you CAN fire an employee without cause
but you must pay him a month's severance pay. The boss was
ordered by the government to pay me a month's pay. He filed for
Chapter 11 bankruptcy (he was NOT actually bankrupt - he kept
running that air taxi for YEARS on Chapter 11
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Due to "technicalities" of the LAW, he therefore did not have to
pay me that month's pay. Lots of details about how to "connect"
with the Court assigned "trustee" that then decides how to, and
in what order to, pay the creditors. Corruption from the word
go! Nuttin' you can do about it. Tough shit, pal. UNLESS, as RE
stated, you have the money to fight a long court battle. As GO
said, 'all's well that "ends" well' is fine and dandy for some
people but it leaves a lot of road kill.
The law profession will claim that our Court System, however
flawed is the ONLY alternative to JUST change besides violence.
RE disagrees and so do I. This is a scare tactic/argument from
adverse consequences/fallacious debating technique evidencing a
lack of objectivity and an obvious conflict of interest. Rather
than argue the merits of non-violent ex curia solutions pro and
con, to perform a knee jerk sniff at ex curia solutions (NON
VIOLENT ex curia ONLY IS ALL I ADVOCATE!) is par for the course
for lawyers. Why?
I posted a picture of a fat kitty and full bowl of food. That
cat has a "conflict of interest" over access to that food bowl.
He is honest about it. You will get swatted (if you are NOT he
who fills that bowl ;)) if you mess with that bowl. Mr. Kitty
has his NAME on the bowl where his "income" is found. Whether
he is full or not, Mr. Kitty simply cannot be objective about
who gets to eat at that food bowl, period.
Are we communicating?
I will NOT argue Medicine with a Veterinarian when I am
convinced they are wrong as I later confirmed when a Vet wanted
to put Nino on a low protein diet. It would have been a waste of
time. I saved a bundle of money and extended the life of an
obligate carnivore. I never went back to that Vet, of course.
I will NOT argue Law with a Lawyer, either. See above.
Professionals have a tendency to argue from authority. They have
the credentials so they can. But when they are wrong, their
pride gets in the way and they will argue until the cows come
home. And for those who make their living through words and
documents filled with arguments and counter arguments, you are
just providing entertainment for them. They ENJOY debating. They
know ALL the tricks. From the moment you open your mouth, it's
game, set, match for them. I prefer to be entertainment for a
kitty or my wife. ;D
Are we communicating?
Not yet? Here, read this hypothetical exchange between an
Aborigine in Australia and a law firm:
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Aborigine Bob Weatherall protested in London against the Museum
of Natural History's decision to test indigenous bones.
Australia calls for German museums to give back human bones
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Whoopie! Great Grandma is doing her part for SCIENCE! [/I]
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Agelbert NOTE: If you are an Aborigine, FORGET damages awards of
portions of the estates from, or RETROACTIVE MURDER CHARGES AND
posthumous trials for, all these serial murderers. ???
Lawyers will calmly state that the murder wasn't murder when it
was committed because it was, uhm, LEGAL and LAWFUL then. ;D
Water under bridge, old boy. But our law firm will be happy to
sue a British, German or American Museum ([i]Hello, Smithsonian!
;D) to get the bones of your great grand pappy for a reasonable
fee. No, we can't get them to stop displaying the bones for
science until we win the lawsuit. No, sorry, we can't get all
the pictures taken of your deceased relatives in the museum
files collected and given to you. Science must, after all, be
considered. Just consider that your relatives "donated" their
bodies to science like people do today when they sign that part
of their driver's license. Remember, our legal system is JUST!
Trust us. We are lawyers. We know the LAW and we are the ONLY
defense you have and bulwark you can rely on to protect you from
injustice, abusive government and anarchy!
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Would you like to engage our firm to get justice for you and
your family from this heinous act done to your relatives? I
would be incensed if this outrage had been perpetrated on my
ancestors! Justice must be done!
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Excuse me?
No, we are unable to take the case on contingency or pro bono.
Sorry. Now, if you will excuse me, I have an appointment with a
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The Day the Middle Class Died: August 5, 1981 - I remember it we
ll
By: AGelbert Date: October 14, 2014, 12:39 am
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Fri Aug 05, 2011 at 04:08 PM PDT.
30 Years Ago Today: The Day the Middle Class Died
by
Michael Moore
From time to time, someone under 30 will ask me, "When did this
all begin, America's downward slide?" They say they've heard of
a time when working people could raise a family and send the
kids to college on just one parent's income (and that college in
states like California and New York was almost free). That
anyone who wanted a decent paying job could get one. That people
only worked five days a week, eight hours a day, got the whole
weekend off and had a paid vacation every summer. That many jobs
were union jobs, from baggers at the grocery store to the guy
painting your house, and this meant that no matter how "lowly"
your job was you had guarantees of a pension, occasional raises,
health insurance and someone to stick up for you if you were
unfairly treated.
Young people have heard of this mythical time -- but it was no
myth, it was real. And when they ask, "When did this all end?",
I say, "It ended on this day: August 5th, 1981."
Beginning on this date, 30 years ago, Big Business and the
Right Wing decided to "go for it" -- to see if they could
actually destroy the middle class so that they could become
richer themselves.
And they've succeeded.
On August 5, 1981, President Ronald Reagan fired every member of
the air traffic controllers union (PATCO) who'd defied his order
to return to work and declared their union illegal. They had
been on strike for just two days.
It was a bold and brash move. No one had ever tried it. What
made it even bolder was that PATCO was one of only three unions
that had endorsed Reagan for president! It sent a shock wave
through workers across the country. If he would do this to the
people who were with him, what would he do to us?
Full article at link:
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Agelbert NOTE: The Strike was on August 3, 1981. Reagan gave
them two days to get their asses back to work. Three air traffic
controller guys at Syracuse did. The rest did not. At Syracuse
TRACON (Tower/Radar Approach Control) we had a Tower chief and
an assistant chief, a secretary, four staff (two data systems
specialists - I was one of them) and two training instructors.
We had 4 or five supervisors and about 20 air traffic
controllers. Ninety percent left.
Those of us who stayed had to "get current" if we weren't
working airplanes at that time. I did , along with the rest of
the staff. We worked ten hour days, six days a week for a month
and then ten hour days, 5 days a week for about two years. One
guy who left couldn't take the pressure of leaving. He died of a
heart attack at a mere 35 years of age leaving a wife and three
children. He was a good man. He just couldn't say no to the
coercion of the union.
The union had the brass to come to the tower to collect "blood
money" donations from those of us who hadn't struck as if it was
OUR fault and not theirs. So it goes. I was in the union, but I
told Jeff Hall, the union rep, that I had signed a document when
I hired on agreeing not to strike so that was that. He was not
pleased.
Of course, I am certain he had absolutely nuttin' and nada to do
with it but somehow some sand managed to get in my gasoline
tank. Just a coincidence of course. I took my F150 super cab
ford pickup to Courtesy Ford. They overhauled the engine for
around $1,200.00 but 'forgot' to save an oil sample despite my
specific request to do so (their mechanics were unionized and
supported PATCO, but I'm certain there was no connection to that
'lapse of memory' that enabled my home owners insurance rep to
give me the, sorry, no evidence of vandalism here. Have a nice
day.
I said, but look, I got these piston sleeves from the mechanic
that did the overhaul. LOOK at the scoring! I waved them at him.
Sorry, only the oil sample is "acceptable" evidence. ;D I
wanted to throw them at him but I resisted the temptation to
engage in a stupid bit of force that would not do my soul or my
body (jail for sure!) any good. Of course I cancelled my
homeowners on the spot. Don't get me started on the LAWS that
allow Insurance companies to engage in highway robbery on a
daily basis.
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Where was I? Oh yes, all that overtime was useful in paying
Courtesy (PRO-UNION) Ford for the overhaul. After about 5
months, I fainted on position (clearance delivery) shortly after
a conversation with a fine fellow air traffic controller member
of the John Birch Society discussing, quite politely, of course,
his views on minorities multiplying like rats and ruining the
country.
You get a bit tired of that shit after a while. I had two kids
(at least I THOUGHT they were mine) and promptly got a
vasectomy. I had told this guy that. I was a dumb fucking
Republican then. But it DID NOT MATTER to this guy. I was one of
THEM.
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I guess the work and stress (It gets old to drive by a bunch of
fine fellows looking at you with daggers in their eyes :P) got
to me that day. These were people, some of which went to the
same church as I did. So much for their Catholic faith. :(
Anyway, I was taken to a doctor who prescribed some inderol
(relaxes smooth muscle on blood vessel walls so your blood
pressure cannot get too high BUT it HAS potential negative
effects for your heart in the future - don't try to prove THAT
in a court room. LOL!) and promised to DO ME THE BIG FAVOR of
not putting it on my record so I would still be able to work
airplanes. He was actually SCREWING me (and doing the Tower
Chief a big favor by keeping a much needed warm body working
airplanes come hell or high water ;D) because a job related
medical condition is a HUGE difference in pay between a non-job
related (As in, no evidence of a medical condition, my good
[s]minority[/s] man, sorry. - That was ten years later when I
was retired at 26% non-job related disability ;) instead of 75%
because THAT IS THE LAW. My disability was job "aggravated" but
not job "related". Ah, the pliability of the English language
when TPTB want to DANCE away from acting responsibly.
Of course, there is NO PATTERN here. Just because it happened to
little old me, doses not mean this is SYSTEMIC in our
bureaucracy. Oh, no, not at all. ;D
What I'm saying is that the deliberate demands of our rules,
regulations and LAWS are set up so you need to have a cast iron
paper trail or a lot of money when ever you want to get any sort
of workmen's comp. All the tools to help the average Joe on the
job have been steadily ERODED by legalese, fine print and
boilerplate over the years.
It's all about promising you the moon and then not delivering it
with some slight of hand which is all quite legal and clever.
This has gotten worse and worse as the decades go by. As RE has
said, our system is for the well to do, period. The rest of us
are commodities without rights.
I survived, just barely. And I was one of the less than 10% of
the 16,000 to 18,000 that STAYED and kept the air traffic
control system functioning for the 3 to 4 years it took to train
and season new air traffic controllers. No good deed goes
unpunished and all that.
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Have a nice day.
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Re: Member Interesting, Hair Raising, Humorous or Otherwise Unus
ual Experiences
By: AGelbert Date: October 14, 2014, 5:35 pm
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[quote]Of course, the above is not to imply that I wish to limit
your voice in any way, shape or spindulated manner. Your
contributions to this forum are much appreciated. I simply wish
to let you know that, well, you get the idea. ;D Carry on.
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My name is Fazio. Yes, that's Sicilian. :exp-grin: :exp-laugh:
:exp-laugh:
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[quote]From the moment you open your mouth, it's game, set,
match for them. I prefer to be entertainment for a kitty or my
wife. ;D[/quote]
Excuse me?
[font=impact]No, we are unable to take the case on contingency
or pro bono. Sorry. Now, if you will excuse me, I have an
appointment with a paying client. Best of luck to you, and God
Bless you.[/font] :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh:
:exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh: :exp-laugh:
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Agelbert you hot ticket you, I am crying tears and
roaring with laughter.
How dare you hide these talents as a master comedian from the
Diner forum for so long?
Please Agelbert, drop the duckweed and renewables for a week or
so and continue upon this side splitting path, I beg you.
Masterful works AG, sheer MASTERPIECES.
Lighten up Ashvin, we all know your one of the good guys; let's
face it, AG is one funny bastard, and on quite a roll with this
one. :exp-cheesy: :exp-grin: :laugh: :laugh:
When an Aborigine meets a Lawyer. :laugh: :laugh: ;D ;D [smg
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GO,
Glad to be of service.
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I can not only do comedy, I can also do a bit of low grade
poetry:
[font=times new roman]In days of old, when I was bold
And my prostate was not inflated
I taught them flight, got them over their fright
and damaged airplanes were prevented [/font] :icon_mrgreen:
Now for some serious Law stuff here!
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Ahem! My vast and
thorough perusal of jurisprudence (and juris-imprudence too!
;D) has uncovered these gems from a former Supreme Court Justice
with a love of Sherlock Holmes novels and an encyclopedic
knowledge of the law, why there is law, what it is supposed to
do, what it isn't supposed to do and, more importantly, what it
REALLY IS ALL ABOUT. 8)
[quote][font=times new roman]“Every society rests on the death
of men,” he liked to say. If a nation needs soldiers, it seizes
young men and marches them off to war at the point of a bayonet.
If an epidemic breaks out, it forces the public to get
vaccinated.[/font][/quote]
He said THIS, which sounds quite good as a defense of the Court
system. ;)
[quote][font=times new roman]The [b]language of judicial
decision is mainly the language of logic. And the logical method
and form flatter that longing for certainty and for repose which
is in every human mind. But certainty generally is illusion, and
repose is not the destiny of man.[/b][/font][/quote]
As a
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/>lawyer, I can CLEARLY see he used that word "language" twice.
Notice he DID NOT say that ALL judicial decisions are BASED on
LOGIC, although one COULD interpret that quote in said legalese
fashion.
But other famous quotes from him show that he knew the score and
wanted us to know it as well. 8)
[quote][font=times new roman]Law is not being based on logic,
but on experience.
Most of the things we do, we do for no better reason than that
our fathers have done them or our neighbors do them, and the
same is true of a larger part than what we suspect of what we
think.
A man is usually more careful of his money than of his
principles.
Young man, the secret of my success is that an early age I
discovered that I was not God.
Certitude is not the test of certainty. We have been cocksure of
many things that were not so.
Any two philosophers can tell each other all they know in two
hours.
Don't be 'consistent,' but be simply true.
Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at the touch,
nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will
be round and full at evening.
Every event that a man would master must be mounted on the run,
and no man ever caught the reins of a thought except as it
galloped past him.
Man's mind, stretched by a new idea, never goes back to its
original dimensions.
Beware how you take away hope from any human being.
The only prize much cared for by the powerful is
power.[/font][/quote]
He knew government is a compromise where the citizenry gets
certain benefits but the lion's share of those "benefits" will
always be controlled by an elite establishment. I think he just
didn't want the elite establishment to become a dictatorship.
But, considering the goons that populated the high court then,
he was a breath of fresh air; a very BRIEF breath of fresh air
in our descent into empire and fascism. :(
Please excuse this blatant and coarse attempt by yours truly to
use the old appeal to authority fallacious debating trick to
sound erudite, polished, knowledgeable of law (and so on, etc.
;D). I protest any accusation of low class buffoonery!
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I never met Oliver
Wendell Holmes and never argued a case before him! So there! If
he happens to be on the same page as I am on issues of LAW and
juris-imprudence, good for him! ( and me ;D - Any port in the
storm and all that. ) ;D
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