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Re: Vaccinations
By: bradley Date: April 13, 2015, 2:01 pm
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I voted no. I would have voted yes at one time, but the govt
has its hands in too many things, health care included. Due
to its increased ability to be big brother and not in a good
way, I dont trust them. Now if doctors and shot givers had no
connection to the govt at all, no govt oversite, then yes.
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Re: Vaccinations
By: Poppy Date: April 13, 2015, 2:28 pm
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I voted 'yes' as I remember a whole family wiped out by
diphtheria when I was a child and worked with a man who had had
poliomyelitis which had left him wheelchair dependent. Also
measles is a killer if not vaccinated against and rubella can
harm unborn babies if the mum comes into contact with it.
These are killer diseases and we must not get it into our heads
that the government is wrong to insist on vaccination against
them because for some reason we just see people in power who are
exerting too much control.
Would you vote against a compulsory vaccine for Ebola?
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Re: Vaccinations
By: bradley Date: April 13, 2015, 5:52 pm
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[quote author=Poppy link=topic=93.msg1087#msg1087
date=1428953314]
I voted 'yes' as I remember a whole family wiped out by
diphtheria when I was a child and worked with a man who had had
poliomyelitis which had left him wheelchair dependent. Also
measles is a killer if not vaccinated against and rubella can
harm unborn babies if the mum comes into contact with it.
These are killer diseases and we must not get it into our heads
that the government is wrong to insist on vaccination against
them because for some reason we just see people in power who are
exerting too much control.
Would you vote against a compulsory vaccine for Ebola?
[/quote][quote author=Poppy link=topic=93.msg1087#msg1087
date=1428953314]
I voted 'yes' as I remember a whole family wiped out by
diphtheria when I was a child and worked with a man who had had
poliomyelitis which had left him wheelchair dependent. Also
measles is a killer if not vaccinated against and rubella can
harm unborn babies if the mum comes into contact with it.
These are killer diseases and we must not get it into our heads
that the government is wrong to insist on vaccination against
them because for some reason we just see people in power who are
exerting too much control.
Would you vote against a compulsory vaccine for Ebola?
[/quote]
If I "knew" that it was a vaccine for Ebola, certainly. You
have more faith in govt than I do.
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Re: Vaccinations
By: Kerry Date: April 14, 2015, 2:30 pm
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Brad,
Did you hear about how the woman suspected of just maybe
possibly having Ebola was treated with such indignity in New
Jersey? The government went berserk there. They government
quarantined her in a tent without a shower or flushable toilet.
From The New York Post
HTML http://nypost.com/2014/10/27/ebola-nurse-gets-prison-treatment-in-quarantine-hell/:<br
/>
Kaci Hickox told CNN’s “State of the Union” that she was stuck
inside a tent without a shower or flushable toilet, despite
having no symptoms and twice testing negative for the deadly
virus after caring for patients in Sierra Leone.
Hickox, 33, also said she was being forced to wear paper scrubs,
had no TV or reading materials, and was spending her time
staring at the walls of the tent outside University Hospital in
Newark,
What the government did there was outside the law. No
legislature gave them the right to do that; but they did it
because they thought they could get away with it. When people
are in a panic, they'll apt to tolerate government abuses. I
think it would have been better if the New Jersey state
legislature had had laws on the book governing what to do in
this kind of situation; and it would be better if the US
Congress had passed laws about travel to and from countries with
diseases. Vaccination rules for travel or quarantine laws
would prevent such arbitrary actions by petty bureaucrats.
Our legislatures are weak while our executive branches and the
bureaucrats are running amok. I can see the usefulness of
requiring some people to be quarantined; but there should be
clear and reasonable rules. People who work for Doctors for
Borders shouldn't be yanked around like and imprisoned against
the law because some Governor is in a panic.
The irony is that failure to vaccinate could give more
arbitrary power to the government since if people are afraid of
something, they don't object to abuses if they believe they're
being "protected."
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Re: Vaccinations
By: Poppy Date: April 14, 2015, 3:01 pm
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The programme of vaccination in the UK has virtually wiped out
those killer diseases of the past. Who in their right mind
would want them back? Tuberculosis, diphtheria, smallpox,
poliomyelitis, measles. Recently there was a measles epidemic
in Wales and parents of unvaccinated children queued for hours
outside mobile clinics to get their kids protected. People had
just forgotten the danger unvaccinated children were in. Just
shows. People who rebel at government guidelines and refuse the
vaccinations are putting not only their own children in danger
but everybody else's too.
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Re: Vaccinations
By: bradley Date: April 14, 2015, 3:15 pm
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With the US govt takeover of healthcare, it will be easier to
give shots to people with something in it, that they arent
telling us. Even now, and for several years now, I havent
taken a flu shot, as I always get a good case of the flu from
that shot, and when I complain about it, they adamantly state
that they use "the dead virus", not just weakened or alive.
They obviously dont know, they are just stating what someone
told them, who was told by someone else, etc. And they want me
to have faith that what they tell me is true when real life
experience tells me otherwise. A true case of the blind trying
to lead the blind. That doesnt even include incompetence due
to the inefficiencies inherently found in government run
programs. Fear tends to motivate people to do irrational
things, I didnt know about the news report.
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Re: Vaccinations
By: Piper Date: April 14, 2015, 4:09 pm
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[font=trebuchet ms]Strange things do go on. I can understand
your hesitancy and caution, Brad. Sometimes it is hard to know
what is right to do. Not directly related, but still relevant,
we have the Lyme's epidemic to consider.
Lyme disease is said to be an epidemic in this country, yet it
is very difficult to be given the proper test. It is said
hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are going undiagnosed
or misdiagnosed. Since Lymes and MS have such similar symptoms,
but need very different treatment, it is important to positively
rule which is being dealt with in a patient presenting with
neurological issues. Yet in certain states, such as Nebraska,
the test is illegal. Why on earth would that be? And doctors
across the country who are trying to help victims with Lyme's
are being persecuted and even losing their licenses, despite the
fact they are legitimately helping people. We must travel 12
hours round trip for Kevin to be tested, and if he tests
positive, we'll be forced to make this trip once a month
indefinitely. This is quite uncomfortable for someone with
symptoms that make long distance travel difficult. Meanwhile,
our long-time GP became so upset when we approached him about
his knowledge of Lyme's, requesting he look into proper testing,
we now feel we must seek out a new GP. People are literally
dying, but it seems almost as if they don't want people tested
or helped, or they don't want word of how severe the epidemic is
becoming to spread.
The doctor we are scheduled to see is under investigation, as
well.
Here is a documentary, if you've time to watch, caption quoted
below:
[/font]
[quote][font=times new roman]Published on Jun 7, 2014
UNDER OUR SKIN
A chilling tale of microbes, medicine and money, this Oscar
shortlisted film has changed the landscape of the Lyme epidemic,
bringing unprecedented awareness in an engaging and accessible
way. The definitive record of the Lyme controversy, UNDER OUR
SKIN exposes a hidden story of medical and scientific
malfeasance and neglect. As official case numbers explode and
hundreds of thousands of people around the world go undiagnosed
or misdiagnosed, the film is as relevant and timely as
ever.[/font][/quote]
[center]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khUQMq-5UCU[/center]
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Re: Vaccinations
By: Kerry Date: April 14, 2015, 4:33 pm
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[quote author=bradley link=topic=93.msg1135#msg1135
date=1429042515]
With the US govt takeover of healthcare, it will be easier to
give shots to people with something in it, that they arent
telling us.[/quote]Perhaps, perhaps not; but I think one glaring
problem here in the US is how the laws are so crazy that most
companies refuse to manufacture flu vaccines here. Not sure,
but I believe they're all imported.
[quote]Even now, and for several years now, I havent taken a flu
shot, as I always get a good case of the flu from that shot, and
when I complain about it, they adamantly state that they use
"the dead virus", not just weakened or alive. They obviously
dont know, they are just stating what someone told them, who was
told by someone else, etc. And they want me to have faith that
what they tell me is true when real life experience tells me
otherwise. [/quote]Perhaps it's some other kind of reaction that
is similar to flu? An allergic reaction to something else?
This may fascinate you. While the vaccines come out of the
country, allegedly the FDA inspects them. They start
manufacturing these vaccines quite early; and back in June of
2014, the FDA told GlaxoSmithKline some of their vaccines were
contaminated. From cdrap.umn.edu
HTML http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/07/us-flu-vaccine-supply-expected-top-150-million-doses:
The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) told the company in a
Jun 21 warning letter that 21% of the upcoming season's
production had unacceptable bacterial counts and could not be
used, according to previous reports. The Ste. Foy plant was
scheduled to make about 23 million doses for the US market for
2014-15.
I assume this got corrected, although I wonder if they'll be
selling the contaminated vaccines elsewhere; but how the
blankety-blank did the vaccine get manufactured and shipped
only to have the FDA here discover this? Are the Canadian
regulators asleep at the wheel? I ask why the American people
tolerate this situation where the manufacturing of vaccines is
so crazy here that companies don't want to make them here.
[quote]A true case of the blind trying to lead the blind. That
doesnt even include incompetence due to the inefficiencies
inherently found in government run programs. Fear tends to
motivate people to do irrational things, I didnt know about the
news report.[/quote]I think part of the problem here in the US
is that we don't trust our government to act in our interest.
We can see in too many cases it doesn't. We seen to be moving
towards fascism inch by inch where the only value citizens have
is that the government can tax them.
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Re: Vaccinations
By: bradley Date: April 14, 2015, 4:45 pm
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One of the things I despise about so many doctors is that
attitude of "if I dont know what it is, its probably all in your
head". And squeezing them to get them off probably puts even
more of the bad stuff in you. Using a heat source I think
works better to get them to release on their own. My nephew
Brad has it as well, but it hasnt affected him quite as bad as
many, thankfully. Lots of ticks in this region, but having
chickens around keep the bugs down in general.
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Re: Vaccinations
By: Kerry Date: April 14, 2015, 5:54 pm
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I think doctors dread the diagnosis of Lyme's since it gives
them so many headaches. They may be engaging in wishful
thinking when they automatically assume it can't be Lyme's.
My sister caught it, and she hadn't been around any ticks. Her
doctor told her it was probably from a mosquito bite or perhaps
a flea bite. Her doctor sounds like a nut to me since he things
most modern medicine is bosh; but she got diagnosed rather early
and her symptoms have gone away. Maybe her doctor's not as
nutty as he sounded to me.
I have no idea how long she had it; but before she was
diagnosed, I'd guess it over a year before, she had acid reflux
bad. So bad, she couldn't go to sleep sometimes unless she fell
asleep in a chair. I don't know if the Lyme's is what was
causing that or not. The "conventional" doctors were treating
her for the acid reflux but so far as I know they didn't wonder
if it could be Lyme's.
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