DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Religious Convictions
  HTML https://religiousconvictions.createaforum.com
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       *****************************************************
   DIR Return to: Religious Discussions
       *****************************************************
       #Post#: 94--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Abraham and Peter
   DIR By: Deborah
       Date: November 29, 2014, 6:08 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       These are my own thoughts:
       Faith and love (in their Biblical senses) are not abstract
       concepts but practical ones. In other words, they are actions,
       not feelings; they exist only when put into practice. And so
       even God, who knows all things, can know the reality of our
       faith and our love only because we act on them. “Now I know that
       you fear God, because you have not withheld from Me your son,
       your only son.” (Genesis 22:12) Hence the necessity for faith
       and love to be tested by obedience. The enormity of Abraham’s
       faith is demonstrated by his willingness to sacrifice his
       beloved son Isaac at God’s command. The sincerity of Peter’s
       love for Jesus can be seen in his fulfilment of Jesus’
       commission – even knowing that in the end it will cost him his
       life (John 21:18,19).
  HTML http://deborahsbiblestudies.wordpress.com/2014/11/29/the-test-of-obedience/
       I certainly don't want to suggest that the other 'answers '
       offered are 'wrong'. There are deep wells of significant meaning
       in these stories.
       --- Quote ---
       > Yes, I think there was a side of Peter that did love Jesus,
       but he hadn't committed himself 100% to it.   I think Peter was
       "grieved" not only because Jesus asked him three times but also
       because he saw deep inside of himself and then saw that a part
       of him did not love Jesus.   He was keeping something back.  His
       denial of Jesus had shown him that also, and I don't think he
       had fully come to terms with it.
       >
       > There may be another lesson there too.  After three denials,
       wouldn't Peter want to know and feel that Jesus had forgiven
       him?   So Jesus puts him on the spot until Peter says Jesus
       knows all things.   Therefore Jesus knew he regretted it and
       Jesus knew too that he could be forgiven.  Having that grief
       boil up to the surface to be taken care of was probably a good
       thing.
       --- End Quote ---
       Some very good points here; it's good for our relationships -
       including our relationship with Jesus - to talk about such
       issues and bring them into the open.
       --- Quote ---
       > I can only say that it seems as if by testing, it is our own
       faith becomes more secure in the Lord.
       --- End Quote ---
       This is very true.
       --- Quote from: A nonny mouse link ---
       > [quote author=A nonny mouse link=topic=9.msg88#msg88
       date=1417242497]
       > I think the 'progression' might be agape, eros, and
       philo....love in general, physical emotion, and love for God,
       but I'm not sure of the order for the first two.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       [/quote]
       The word 'eros' is not used anywhere in the Bible. The two words
       used for 'love'  in this passage are agape and phileo. But John
       uses them interchangeably throughout his Gospel, so it may be
       that we read too much into the distinctions.
       *****************************************************
       Page 2 of 2
   DIR Previous Page